WWI Digest 3976 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) a rather long story about censorship and the truth - was RE: RE: www.richthofen.com by "Gaston Graf" 2) Sorry ot outlook express help needed by "Thomas Solinski" 3) Re: Felixstowe F2a help / Cheap Datafiles by "Michael Kendix" 4) Re: Felixstowe F2a help / Cheap Datafiles by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 5) Re: ww1 fighters by JM Bruce by KnnthS@aol.com 6) Re: Ho, Ho, ho, bah! humbug! by KnnthS@aol.com 7) Re: a rather long story about censorship and the truth - was RE: RE: www.richthofen.com by KnnthS@aol.com 8) Re: Albatros Undercarrige was Scratching for answers by KnnthS@aol.com 9) Re: Albatros CORRECTED by "Tom Plesha" 10) Re:Windsock Mags by Morg17ms@aol.com 11) RE: Scratching for answers by "Steven Perry" 12) Re: ww1 fighters by JM Bruce by "ibs4421" 13) Re: Ho, Ho, ho, bah! humbug! by Scottfking@aol.com 14) Re: ww1 fighters by JM Bruce by KarrArt@aol.com 15) Re: Albatros CORRECTED by "Fraser May" 16) New images by "Sandy Adam" 17) RE: Scratching for answers by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 18) Re: a rather long story about censorship and the truth - by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 19) Availability of Eduard releases was:: Ho, Ho, ho, bah! humbug! by "Steven Perry" 20) Re: Availability of Eduard releases was:: Ho, Ho, ho, bah! by Bob Pearson 21) Re: a rather long story about censorship and the truth - by "Gaston Graf" 22) Re: ww1 fighters by JM Bruce by "Diego Fernetti" 23) ATTENTION NEIL CRAWFORD!!! by "Diego Fernetti" 24) Re: ATTENTION NEIL EVERYMAN!!! by KnnthS@aol.com 25) Re: ATTENTION NEIL EVERYMAN!!! by Bob Pearson 26) Re: Availability of Eduard releases was:: Ho, Ho, ho, bah! humbug! by "ibs4421" 27) Re: New images by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:07:00 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: a rather long story about censorship and the truth - was RE: RE: www.richthofen.com Message-ID: > > Yes Rickenbackers book is excellent, the best of the three that > are online. What makes you think Richthofens book is falsified? > /Neil C. > Neil, I live very close to the region where von Richthofen passed or where he participated at the battle that I am now researching to write a book about. I think that most people on this list know about this since I started research. Von Richthofen told several stories that I verified: 1) I became very suspicious as I read his statement about the angry Belgians who was awaiting him as he descended the steeple of the church of St. Donat in Arlon. Arlon is only 20min from my house and many Arlonians work in Luxembourg. There is a very close relationship to our Belgian neighbours who often are relatives of Luxemburgers. MvR wrote that he left his men outside Arlon and rode a bike to the church to climb the steeple for having a better overview of the terrain. In WW1 - and I guess also before WW1 - this was common practice of cavalry to reconnoit the unknown terrain. Well, as Mvr got down the steeple, his bike was "stolen" (I wonder where he had gotten it from if not stolen from a Belgian civilian - but that the Military called "confiscated" or just "found"). Anyway, there was a bunch of young Arlonians who was mad on him and he did not know the reason for that until three days later. He wrote he only then found out that the people was angry because "they" (the Germans) had "to put a few of those Gentlemen on the wall because they wanted to play war with them". This is a very pejorative statement that I never believed that way. So I wanted to find out more. Being a choochoo driver I often come accross the station of Arlon. There I noticed a small monument already years ago - a cross build of natural stones with a bronze metal plate that reads: "IN MEMORIUM, 26. AÔUT 1914". It was build close to a bridge going over the railroad tracks. I always wanted to know why that monument was build on that place so I asked the people at the signal house of Arlon. They told me it is for the people from Rossignol, but didn't know more about it. I wrote official emails to the cities of Arlon and Virton where I received addresses of local historians from. The first man I called was Mr. Jean Dauphin, a 77 year old retired school teacher who lives in LaTour, close to Virton. Mr. Dauphin is a slim and still very active man who takes a 5km walk every morning before he walks over to his office at his little museum. A very nice guy he is. A man that I respect for his wiseness and his kindness. I think it must have been a pleasure to be his student at the time he still teached. I spend a very nice day with him on August 22 this summer, the anniversary of the Battle of the Frontiers. He was it who informed me about the truth behind MvRs statement about the Arlonians. Saying the men had to be put on the wall for playing war is a rediculous lie about the real tragedy behind it. A tragedy that was recorded by Belgian clergymen like all the other atrocities committed on Belgian civilians in the time of the invasion. The atrocities only stopped after the battle at the Marne. There is a monumental work of 8 volumes documenting the events, published in the years from 1919-1928. I was very lucky to find the complete 8 volumes at a Belgian bookstore this year. The work is no allied propaganda and reconized by the French Academy for historical research. Also - speaking about Allied propaganda lies some Germans still tend to refer to today when confronted with their "glorious deeds" - I can provide all the names of the victims plus pictures of the people as well as of the graves, so this is sure no propaganda lie. Fact was this: The Germans invaded Belgium, carefully moving forwards. The French knew about this but had no troops in the region to stop them - a Belgian Army was inexistant. So the French send their troops towards the Germans as quick as possible. It was in the region of Rossignol where the armies of both sides then clashed. The French was first to be in Rossignol but the Germans was already very close. Civilians had observed the presence of the Germans and informed the French about it who send out a cavalry patrol to get a confirmation. Well, there is a long long story behind this all - a story that will hopefully fill a fascinating book about the battle. To make it short and bring it to the point: After the Germans had captured Rossignol they took civilian hostages, accusing them of collaboration with the French, especially for having revealed their positions to the French. On a place known today as "Le camp de la misère" (the camp of misery) they gathered the people, holding them there for one day and one night before bringing them to Arlon. Along with the people they kept 2900 French POWs in that meadow. In Arlon they called their head quarters that was established in Luxembourg, asking what to do with the prisioners. From there they received the order to execute them right at the place! 121 men and 1 woman was shot at that very wall of that bridge where now stands that little monument! It was 108 people from Rossignol, 7 from Breuvanne, 5 from Saint-Vincent and 2 from Tellancourt. 3 other civilians from Rossignol was shot by the Germans already on the 19th, the 23th and the 26th in Rossignol. The only woman was last to be excecuted. She had to watch all the men fall before it was her turn to die... THAT was the true story behind MvR's "Gentlemen who wanted to play war". But there is more - MUCH more: 2) MvR mentionned to have spend a night at an Abbey as he was on a reconnaissance mission with his squad mate near Virton. He said the monks was very friendly to the Germans but despite this friendliness, there was several of those "Gentlemen" that hung from the latern poles on the other morning because they wanted to "actively participate in the war". I checked my maps of the region and found the Abbey of Orval being the only one in the region of Virton - Orval is welknown in Europe for its dark beers and cheese. So I send mail to the monks, asking them if they would allow me to consult their archives. I was very astonished to read in their reply that the Abby of Orval was build only in 1926 so there are no archives about the time of WW1! In 1914 there was only a pile of rubble left of the first Abby of Orval that got destroyed in the French Revolution. The German Emperor Wilhelm once visited the location and there was post cards available showing him there. Maybe this was a reason why an Abbey was mentionned in MvR's book to justify the murdering of 5 Belgian chaplains who got hung, accused of having the French cavalry granted access to their steeples for reconaissance of the terrain (!). What a rediculous accusation was this, if one thinks that no soldier would allow anybody to stop him from climbing a steeple if he feels this is necessary. There was no Abbey, but there was several catholic boarding schools in the region. Maybe it was at such a school that MvR spend a night. He sure did not sleep at an Abbey! And there was sure no monk hung by the Germans, but there was the chaplains! 3) A slight falsification is this: MvR mentions to have unloaded from the train in a town or village called Busendorf, being located NORTH-East of Diedenhofen (today Thionville). That's sure wrong because Busendorf - which is today called Bouzonville by the French - is in fact located slightly SOUTH-East of Thionville. I still have to visit the archives of Thionville to find evidence if there was really troops unloded in Bouzonville or not. Maybe even this is wrong and they unloaded at a different place. 4) MvR mentions a funny story about a Luxemburgish Gendarm who got in his way in Esch-sûr-Alzette south of Luxembourg. It was in Esch where the German Crown Prince had established his head quarters. IIrc, MvR had put the Gendarm under arrest. Fact is that MvR got in this region only after Luxemburg had been invaded already by the Germans so there was no reason for any Gendarm or Policeman to still protest against the Germans. Fact is also there actually WAS a Gendarm who blocked the way of the German invaders as they crossed the bridge of Wasserbillig on the border with Germany. The Germans then disarmed the Gendarm, forcing him the ride his bike before the German convoy for a distance of 27km (16.9miles) to Roodt-Syre. If one knows the Luxemburgish landscape one also knows about the steep hill called "Potaschbierg" this poor man had to climb on his bike, and in full dress.... that was really "la drôle de guerre" (the funny war), like WW1 was called in the beginning. The poor man sure got soaked as he rode up that hill if one thinks about the cruising speed of the Germans that was fixed to 18km/h (11.25mph) before the Germans departed in Trier. 27km, with a bunch of Hun warriors pushing behind :o)! 5) Something that I am not sure about yet - and I may be at the wrong track here - but MvR mentions a house where he and his men got ambushed by Franctireurs (partisans) in a wood near Étalle. Nothing is known about this event anymore, but there actually was a Belgian forester of the region excecuted by the Germans... They have build a little monument for him not far from one of the French military cemetaries in the woods near Rossignol. btw: after the book published by the French Colonel Grasset, the French casualties of the battle for Rossignol was 10 268 men reported either KIA, MIA or WIA. That was the total of all troops - infantry, artillery and cavalry. The Germans had lost "only" about 2000 men. MvR's book is a nice story to read, but it's no valuable source for historic research. Unfortunately he did not live to write about the truth after the war, like Udet did. He sure would have sounded differently. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:17:30 -0600 From: "Thomas Solinski" To: Subject: Sorry ot outlook express help needed Message-ID: <01e701c184e4$bd371c40$a6a20d41@okcnc1.ok.home.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01E4_01C184B2.725988C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all Two weeks ago my computer started locking up on outlook express and = internet exploiter. Had to reload from scratch. Now when I open a = message a get a small screen in the middel of the display, and I have to = make the extra step to click maximize the first message. =20 Can any one tell me how to set this thing so that the messages maximize = on opening? 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------=_NextPart_000_01E4_01C184B2.725988C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:07:02 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Felixstowe F2a help / Cheap Datafiles Message-ID: Jon: They're all gone now: I just called at 5PM EST. Someone came by early in the week and scooped the whole lot up. Michael >From: >On a better note I found on ABE books a book seller who has >just listed 50 windsock titles for around $8.00 each, I just received >my >$121.00 worth so you guys can have at him. The name is >Bibliobsession and >the issues are in like new condition as I can >attest, and they paid the >shipping to boot for my order which was not >part of our agreement. Good >people so says a happy >| costumer. BIBLIOBSESSION@mindspring.com, search Albatros _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:43:06 EST From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Felixstowe F2a help / Cheap Datafiles Message-ID: <7b.1fed34d9.294bda7a@aol.com> --part1_7b.1fed34d9.294bda7a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/14/2001 5:09:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, mkendix@hotmail.com writes: > Jon: > > They're all gone now: I just called at 5PM EST. Someone came by early in > the week and scooped the whole lot up. > > Michael > Sorry Mike, this was the first chance I had to let you all now they where available, gee's that was quick, I only ordered two days ago. Best Regards, Jon --part1_7b.1fed34d9.294bda7a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/14/2001 5:09:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, mkendix@hotmail.com writes:


Jon:

They're all gone now: I just called at 5PM EST.  Someone came by early in
the week and scooped the whole lot up.

Michael


Sorry Mike, this was the first chance I had to let you all now they where available, gee's that was quick, I only ordered two days ago.

Best Regards,
 Jon 


             

--part1_7b.1fed34d9.294bda7a_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:27:13 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ww1 fighters by JM Bruce Message-ID: In a message dated 14/12/01 12:17:18 pm, LEONARDPeterL@aol.com writes: << The last time I spoke to Jack Bruce I asked him when we might see volume six and he said any time now. This was in November 1973 :{ >> Sounds like he should just stick to being an amazing bass player, then. ken ps -perhaps Ginger Baker's doing the re-cap on Bombers. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:31:07 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Ho, Ho, ho, bah! humbug! Message-ID: <4a.3727589.294be5bb@aol.com> In a message dated 14/12/01 12:15:30 pm, MSHANNON@tnrcc.state.tx.us writes: << Is this going on around the US? I thought I had seen some people complaining that their hobby shops weren't able to get the Ni. 11, either, and mail orders in the US were chancy on availability. >> I can second that here in Minnesota, Mark. Yes on the Albie, nope on the Noop. My local store was stacking Pfalzes for gosh sakes + cpl O Yaks... Roll Models had their difficulty. Haven't checked elsewhere other than Squadron. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:38:14 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: a rather long story about censorship and the truth - was RE: RE: www.richthofen.com Message-ID: In a message dated 14/12/01 1:10:36 pm, ggraf@vo.lu writes: << Well, there is a long long story behind this all >> Longer than the one here?????? : O ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:44:59 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Albatros Undercarrige was Scratching for answers Message-ID: <15e.5a2f134.294be8fb@aol.com> In a message dated 14/12/01 12:38:05 pm, halberstadtcl2@hotmail.com writes: << Didn't Eric over at CSM have some replacement sets of undercarriage struts? It seems like he did. There were to the correct length. >> Brent! wait come back--am all ears--what's th' deal @ Copperstate? There's a stack of those 'woodies' awaiting My New Year Resolve and the tho't of knee replacement surgery for all them seems less attractive than this rumor of CopperStruts.... What's up? tia Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:02:49 -0500 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: Albatros CORRECTED Message-ID: <000b01c184fb$d57bc280$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi - Eric (Copper State Models) has available the white metal Alb undercarriage struts in white metal in 1/48. He originally produced them for someone else, and became the owner of some sets. FWIW, I obtained about 10 sets for the other person. Later Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 6:46 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Albatros Undercarrige was Scratching for answers > > In a message dated 14/12/01 12:38:05 pm, halberstadtcl2@hotmail.com writes: > > << Didn't Eric over at CSM have some replacement sets of undercarriage > struts? > It seems like he did. There were to the correct length. >> > > Brent! wait come back--am all ears--what's th' deal @ Copperstate? > There's a stack of those 'woodies' awaiting My New Year Resolve and the tho't > of knee replacement surgery for all them seems less attractive than this > rumor of CopperStruts.... > > What's up? > > tia > Ken > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:03:17 EST From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re:Windsock Mags Message-ID: <153.5c4c4c3.294bed45@aol.com> --part1_153.5c4c4c3.294bed45_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for the last blip. I will soon have a dozen or so old Windsocks for sale, cheap. Maybe for trade. Most have some yellow highlighting, and occasional margin note, but they are complete and in good shape. I'll get the list up in a week or so. Tom Morgan --part1_153.5c4c4c3.294bed45_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for the last blip.
I will soon have a dozen or so old Windsocks for sale, cheap.  Maybe for trade.  Most have some yellow highlighting, and occasional margin note, but they are complete and in good shape.  I'll get the list up in a week or so.

Tom Morgan --part1_153.5c4c4c3.294bed45_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:28:49 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: RE: Scratching for answers Message-ID: <002301c18507$d9649f00$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> Thanks to all who responded wih ideas for transferring part patterns to card. As always I hope for a magic trick, but I expect Neil summed it up pretty well when he said :"...then you have to constantly check against the drawings anyway." I believe it was Snajeev, (I accidentally deleted the message), who mentioned tracing on a light table, You get the St. Harry award for a method utilizing the properties of plasticard. :-) I have a lighted display case with a glass top, the perfect light table. Next set of parts will be done this way. The PS.7 is coming along, The wings are ready for rib detail. I'm waffling over the method. Either Tom Morgan's sewing card or Alberto's stretched plasticard strips. I used decal strips on the Sop Tripe masters and when primered, it looked great, but after 3 wings of decal strips, I'm ready for a change of M.O. The fuselage bottom and sides are formed and still require a few bulkheads to firm it up before I make a wooden plug to form the crash molded top section. Struts are going to be a job. Three bays with the inboard 2 bays having Spad-like mid-bay support struts where the wires cross. Dats a lotta chopsticks. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:17:58 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: ww1 fighters by JM Bruce Message-ID: <008701c18517$1943cba0$8b3dfad1@ibs4421> > ken > > ps -perhaps Ginger Baker's doing the re-cap on Bombers. > > You're killin' me Ken! Warren ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:44:52 EST From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Ho, Ho, ho, bah! humbug! Message-ID: <10f.9154384.294c2134@aol.com> In a message dated 12/14/01 3:15:30 PM EST, MSHANNON@tnrcc.state.tx.us writes: << Strangely, we are still awaiting some Nieuport 11's here - for some reason supply has been spotty and my local hobby hasn't been able to get either boxing. For that matter, we got the Profipack Alb. D.II before the regular release. >> Our local shop just got the Ni11 Profipacks, but had the regular Alb DII last month. No Alb Profipacks yet, but restocks on various older Eduard kits. Had a heck of a time getting an Alb DIII Profipack when they came out, I missed out on the first two he had, took several months before he got more of those. Scott (Skippy) King ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:56:52 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ww1 fighters by JM Bruce Message-ID: In a message dated 12/14/01 3:29:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, KnnthS@aol.com writes: << ps -perhaps Ginger Baker's doing the re-cap on Bombers. >> Pressed Rat and Warthog are doing the drawings...... RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 08:56:58 +0100 From: "Fraser May" To: Subject: Re: Albatros CORRECTED Message-ID: <00dd01c1853e$2ae371e0$d16914d4@m1i9c9> Hi, Thank goodness, An order to Eric would seem to be imminent 'coz though Aeroclub stock a lot of Copper State, I haven't seen those...wheeew! You got Abatros DIIs in the US?? Can't find one in Prague yet...sheesh... Regards Fraser > Hi - > Eric (Copper State Models) has available the white metal Alb undercarriage > struts in white metal in 1/48. He originally produced them for someone > else, and became the owner of some sets.> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 10:20:44 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WWI Modelling List" Subject: New images Message-ID: <001401c18552$5cfa3b00$28e8b094@sandyada> I've just caught up with the latest batch of images - what a terrific set of work. Lance, you are a madman! The F2a is just absolutely splendid - please do not cover up all that fantastic internal detail. Build another empty fuselage shell and add wings/tail and display that beside the Cabrio version. Please. Artur. Lovely Albatrosse. Brilliant idea re the rubber stamp. BTW who, what and how do you get Mike Grant decals? Never heard of them before, but I'd like some of the sworl stuff. Who supplies this please? Also who, what etc Cezar Bartnicki ? Thanks. Superb scratchbuilds from Fraser and I'd already marvelled at Sanjeeve's creations. What a fantastically gifted bunch of modellers this is! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 10:35:09 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Scratching for answers Message-ID: >I believe it was Snajeev, (I accidentally deleted the message), who >mentioned tracing on a light table, You get the St. Harry award for a method >utilizing the properties of plasticard. :-) I have a lighted display case >with a glass top, the perfect light table. Next set of parts will be done >this way. Brief aside: If your light box is lit by fluorescent, fine; but if it contains tungsten lamps, beware that they can generate a surprising amount of heat, and Plasticard shrinks amazingly if you get it too hot. Moral, don't pause in your labours to enjoy a long lunch. Voice of experience, I'm afraid... got a proper fluorescent light box years ago and never looked back. N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 10:42:07 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: a rather long story about censorship and the truth - Message-ID: Gaston, Thank you for all your efforts and such an enlightening description. I don't know why, but I AM curious about the one woman shot. One wonders what her "crime" was...? N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 06:28:45 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Availability of Eduard releases was:: Ho, Ho, ho, bah! humbug! Message-ID: <002601c1855b$a8ab47c0$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> I should be so lucky as to be able to complain whether this or that new Eduard release is stocked by the local styrene pushers. I don't think I have seen a dozen Eduard kits in all the local shops in the past 4 years and the one shop where I saw 5 of them at once is now out of business. This is about pitiful for a decent sized metropolitan area. If you have a pusher who will stock WWI kits, be nice to him. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 03:34:23 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: Subject: Re: Availability of Eduard releases was:: Ho, Ho, ho, bah! Message-ID: Heck, if you have a local store within 100 miles be nice to them .. the nearest one here is 100 miles down the road, and after that nearly 500 miles away. At one time we had three hobby shops, two of which carried pretty well any supplies one could want - although now we are spoiled by the riches in kits available via mailorder, the 1970s were the golden age of hobby shops. Bob > From: "Steven Perry" > I should be so lucky as to be able to complain whether this or that new > Eduard release is stocked by the local styrene pushers. I don't think I have > seen a dozen Eduard kits in all the local shops in the past 4 years and the > one shop where I saw 5 of them at once is now out of business. This is about > pitiful for a decent sized metropolitan area. > > If you have a pusher who will stock WWI kits, be nice to him. > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 12:38:51 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Re: a rather long story about censorship and the truth - Message-ID: Nigel, thanks for your interest into that story. I will see to find details about it. The battle of the frontiers raged on several places at the same time, but the greatest carnage happened in and around Rossignol where the French colonial troops ran into the German machineguns, presenting a well visible target due to their still colored uniforms. The Germans took advantage of their field-grey, that was hard to see in the woods. It is said that the trees showed the wounds of the battle still decades later and it was until the 1930's that sawmills refused to accept trees from the Rossignol aera due to the many shrapnell fragments that damaged the saw blades. The description of the whole battle sounds like it is absolutely worth to make it a movie - an anti-war movie, not a Hollywood hero's tale. But unfortunately there seem to be no interest into this. I thought about doing a website about the battle. I will need one to promote my book anyway. more later Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > Gaston, > Thank you for all your efforts and such an enlightening description. > I don't know why, but I AM curious about the one woman shot. One > wonders what her "crime" was...? > N > -- > Nigel Cheffers-Heard > photography + design > > tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 > fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 > mobile: 0771 261 4514 > nigelch@cheffers.co.uk > www.cheffers.co.uk > > Laburnums, Bridge Hill > Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 12:15:33 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ww1 fighters by JM Bruce Message-ID: Lee wrote: >If I see one I will get it. I know there >is no risk involved since some one will want it. Sign up me for it, Lee! D. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 12:46:58 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: ATTENTION NEIL CRAWFORD!!! Message-ID: What you are doing with that paint brush full of silver paint, Neil? STOP!! I was checking yesterday my unorganized file folders, as the picture of Fonck's Spad XII still made me uneasy (not only because of the polithical thread it generated later). Aerodrome Modeler has an article and profiles of this very machine in one issue by John Guttman. There are profiles of it in an Old C&C, there are a letter of JG in WW1 Aero about Fonck's planes, htere is a picture of another Fonck Spad in the Arco-Aircam Spad book... and John Guttman suspects that the Spad XII has it's nose painted LIGHT BLUE! The crashed Spad VII wich is the source of this affirmation by Guttman is known to have had a light blue nose panels (it is misindentified on the Arco-Aircam book and is wrongly profiled on the same book) Certainly this Type VII has panels that look somehow like your Type XII! Allow me until monday and I'll bring more solid details about the mags I cited. JG also cites an old publication named "La vie aerienne" that has pictures of Fonck's XII... but this is from 1919 and I guess that it's not easily available... maybe any of our friends here has it? I hope that you will read this message before you paint the model, Neil.. D. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 08:22:33 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ATTENTION NEIL EVERYMAN!!! Message-ID: In a message dated 15/12/01 5:15:20 am, d_fernetti@hotmail.com writes: << the Spad XII has it's nose painted LIGHT BLUE! >> Fonckin 'ell and mon dieu. Yo, D--what's the latest? The Good News: CDL and light blue makes a really cool looking Spad! The Bad News: All WW1 fotog is Black und Vhite. Can't wait to paint a Spad to match the curtains. Tell the rest of us as well. Opening paint pots as we speak- Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 05:34:48 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: Subject: Re: ATTENTION NEIL EVERYMAN!!! Message-ID: Beware of old articles. .. Jon Guttman has recanted some of his ideas in the old articles in Aerodrome Modeler and C&C. AM is presented now more as a curio of what the state of research was 25 years ago, and as a starting point to all the present research that is going on .. heck, I've changed my mind on some I did even a year or two ago (the FE2b that Sanjeev is researching for instance - I showed it as normal roundels under the wing, whereas it has white rings instead) Bob > From: KnnthS@aol.com > In a message dated 15/12/01 5:15:20 am, d_fernetti@hotmail.com writes: > > << the Spad XII has it's nose painted LIGHT BLUE! >> > > Fonckin 'ell and mon dieu. > > Yo, D--what's the latest? > The Good News: CDL and light blue makes a really cool looking Spad! > The Bad News: All WW1 fotog is Black und Vhite. > > Can't wait to paint a Spad to match the curtains. Tell the rest of us as well. > > Opening paint pots as we speak- > Ken > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 07:41:43 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: Availability of Eduard releases was:: Ho, Ho, ho, bah! humbug! Message-ID: <001701c1856e$3c490640$123dfad1@ibs4421> I, for one, have never seen an Eduard kit in a hobby shop, ever. Warren Maybe I don't get out enough. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 09:12:02 EST From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: New images Message-ID: <7b.1ff3021c.294cb432@aol.com> In a message dated Sat, 15 Dec 2001 5:25:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Sandy Adam" writes: > and how do you get Mike Grant decals? Never heard of them before, but I'd > like some of the sworl stuff. Who supplies this please? Sandy, try: http://www.cadvision.com/mikegrant/MikeGrantDecals/ HTH, Mike Kavanaugh ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3976 **********************