WWI Digest 3952 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Paul Schmitt P.S.7 by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 2) Re: Hazards of Modelling by "Lee M." 3) Re: Hazards of Modelling by "Michael Kendix" 4) Re: Hazards of Modelling by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 5) Re: Hazards of Modelling by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 6) Paul LLoyds Dr.1 research by Shane Weier 7) Re: Hazards of Modelling by KnnthS@aol.com 8) Re: Hazards of Modelling by "cameron rile" 9) Re: 1/72nd Mechanics by "bruce simard" 10) Re: Hazards of Modelling by Shane Weier 11) Re: Hazards of Modelling by Shane Weier 12) Re: Hazards of Modelling by Shane Weier 13) =?big5?Q?Net5=BDu=A4W=AF=AB=BA=E2=A7=D6=B3=F8?= by Net5½u¤W¯«ºâ 14) The Bleriot XI replica of Burnie TAFE by "Ross Moorhouse" 15) eBay alert by Charles Hart 16) Re: AMT DH-4 Question by Crawford Neil 17) Re: Hazards of Modelling by John Huggins 18) Re: Paul LLoyds Dr.1 research by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 19) Re: eBay alert by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 20) Re: Paul LLoyds Dr.1 research by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 21) Re: Paul LLoyds Dr.1 research by David Fleming 22) Re: 1/72nd Mechanics by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 23) Re: Paul LLoyds Dr.1 research by David Fleming 24) Re: 1/72nd Mechanics by "Diego Fernetti" 25) RE: eBay alert by "Diego Fernetti" 26) Re: Paul LLoyds Dr.1 research by Bob Pearson 27) RE: eBay alert by Bob Pearson 28) Re: Hazards of Modelling by "Diego Fernetti" 29) Attn Diego by Bob Pearson 30) Re: 1/72nd Mechanics by "ibs4421" 31) Re: Paul Schmitt P.S.7 by "Matt Bittner" 32) Re: Hazards of Modelling by "Matt Bittner" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:44:09 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Paul Schmitt P.S.7 Message-ID: <009101c17e10$a519ea00$236e160a@CSP00> Just checked it myself, and it was actually CCI vol 28 no 1 Volker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:25:48 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hazards of Modelling Message-ID: <3C0EF34C.7BAA5078@x25.net> Aren't you glad the snake was not in 1/72nd scale you never would have seen it. But the bite can still do you in. Lee M Shane Weier wrote: > THAT's IT ! > > I GIVE UP, THIS IS TOO F%$^^ING DANGEROUS !! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 04:26:44 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hazards of Modelling Message-ID: >Shane Weier wrote: > > > THAT's IT ! Eyes roll back in head! Another one of those Australian "Tall Tales". What's next, I wonder? A 16 foot red roo swiped your lunch when you were sitting on a park bench? A big croc came up and bit yer bum while you were sitting on the can? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 05:27:41 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Hazards of Modelling Message-ID: <002a01c17e0e$5b3311c0$0200a8c0@x.pl> Lee wrote: > Aren't you glad the snake was not in 1/72nd scale you never would have seen it. > But the bite can still do you in. And this is another advantage of 1/72 over duplo scale - duplo snakes not much more visible, but are 1.5 times deadlier! G. -- Tego nie znajdziesz w zadnym sklepie! [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 05:41:12 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Hazards of Modelling Message-ID: <006b01c17e10$3bcc3620$0200a8c0@x.pl> ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Kendix > A 16 foot red roo swiped your lunch Even better! Two Poles leaving OZ land wanted to take some photos. Drove to bush, and met friendly roo. So friendly, that allowed to put cap on his head. After cap, also jacket. And then run away, as fast as only roo can run! In that jacket was passport, money etc... (story heard from Polish diplomat, who made that man new passport, but I don't know if it's really true) There is saying in Poland "Pole can" (do something) - during communism it was serious slogan, but was used more often as deep sarcasm... Grzegorz -- Tego nie znajdziesz w zadnym sklepie! [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:17:16 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: Paul LLoyds Dr.1 research Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD882@MIMHEXCH1> Hi all, I have just been reading a letter to the editor of Scale Aircraft Modelling (the original SAM, not SAMI, the catalogue) Paul Lloyd, a sometimes contributor on WW2 camouflage colours has a bee in his bonnet about depictions of MvR's triplanes (and triplanes in general) and is about to amaze the world with what I am sure from the tone of his letter, will be a revelation of just how far off all the *existing* expert interpretations are from "reality" Since my "latest" issue is Oct 2001, I assume things have progressed. Can anyone in the UK tell me whether this has come to fruition yet, or let us know if they've taken his opportunity to provide him with more information? I'm interested (if not too late) to explain to him why the "dark turquoise" undersides of a Dr.1 could appear so light in photos that it must surely be "a much lighter shade, possibly a sky blue" I wonder if he'll tell us next that the outer rings on RFC roundels were in powder blue, not ultramarine. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:45:13 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hazards of Modelling Message-ID: <76.14139b3e.294051d9@aol.com> In a message dated 5/12/01 8:20:34 pm, lemen@x25.net writes: << snake was not in 1/72nd scale >> good one Lee! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 101 23:43:22 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hazards of Modelling Message-ID: Shane, >THAT's IT ! I used to jump on my boots to make sure there werent any redbacks, funnel webs or white tails in them. It is obvious when modelling in the future you will have to jump on your model to make certain it is free of snakes, spiders and scorpions. cam www.australianflyingcorps.org ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 00:22:12 -0500 From: "bruce simard" To: Subject: Re: 1/72nd Mechanics Message-ID: <000601c17e15$f715d260$723aaf3f@22by501> Warren Wrote: > I've looked all through Squadron's website, and can't > find thi set of figures. Do you have any idea of where else in the US I > could order these? Thanks. Warren and Folks, My apologies, I should have double checked prior to posting the info. I checked tonight, and neither Squadron nor Roll Models carry them at present. However, Great Models.com does stock them - #CMKF 72044 @ $ 4.70 per pack. Plus I'm sure Hannant's still carries them, but haven't had the chance to check pricing. NKR may also carry them, not sure, unable to access Earl's site tonight. HTH, if you need more info, just let me know................................Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:30:15 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Hazards of Modelling Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD886@MIMHEXCH1> Cam, > >THAT's IT ! > > I used to jump on my boots to make sure there > werent any redbacks, funnel webs or white tails > in them. Heck, I still do that every day. Not too many redbacks here, and no funnel webs, but the Hunstmen are as big as my hand and even if not deadly I'd sh*t blue flashing lights if my toes found one in my shoe > It is obvious when modelling in the > future you will have to jump on your model to > make certain it is free of snakes, spiders and > scorpions. LOL Maybe I can convince one to take residence in this ship.... Shane > ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:33:05 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Hazards of Modelling Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD887@MIMHEXCH1> Michael, > Eyes roll back in head! Another one of those Australian > "Tall Tales". > What's next, I wonder? A 16 foot red roo swiped your lunch > when you were > sitting on a park bench? A big croc came up and bit yer bum > while you were sitting on the can? LOL When I eventually get you to visit me for a barbeque *you* can go down by the creek to gather wood for the barbeque. Barefoot. Y'know that crocs don't live in the can, Redback Spiders do. In the words of the immortal song There was a rdback on the toilet seat, when I went there last night I didn't see him in the dark, But boy, I felt him bight ... Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:37:18 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Hazards of Modelling Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD888@MIMHEXCH1> Shane is an illiterat clod.... > There was a rEdback on the toilet seat, > when I went there last night > I didn't see him in the dark, > But boy, I felt him bITE ... > Strewth. Shane > ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 00:47:14 -0500 (EST) From: Net5½u¤W¯«ºâ To: ¿Ë·Rªººô¤Í Subject: =?big5?Q?Net5=BDu=A4W=AF=AB=BA=E2=A7=D6=B3=F8?= Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_D0dl7pfd89kGI5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_D0dl7pfd89kGI5AA" ------=_NextPart_D0dl7pfd89kGI5AA Content-Type: text/html; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PGh0bWw+DQo8ZnJhbWVzZXQgcm93cz0qIGZyYW1lYm9yZGVyPSJOTyIgYm9yZGVyPSIwIiBmcmFt ZXNwYWNpbmc9IjAiIGNvbHM9Kj4NCjxmcmFtZSBzY3JvbGxpbmc9InllcyIgc3JjPSJodHRwOi8v d3d3Lm5ldHM1LmNvbS9BRC8wMTEyMDUuaHRtIj4NCjwvZnJhbWVzZXQ+DQo8L2h0bWw+ ------=_NextPart_D0dl7pfd89kGI5AA-- ------=_NextPart_D0dl7pfd89kGI5-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:55:47 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: The Bleriot XI replica of Burnie TAFE Message-ID: <009301c17e1a$a9ae33a0$0e12cecb@umber> Found this while looking for some other things. :) http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Ridge/2450/bleriot.htm Full time Engineering students at Burnie TAFE are currently involved with the building of 2 flying replicas of a 1909 Bleriot XI. On completion one will remain the property of the Queen Victoria Museum in Launceston and the other sold off. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 00:12:48 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: eBay alert Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011206001248.00a29cc0@spot.colorado.edu> Greetings All, This is a rather hard to find book: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1493662872 I thought this would be more popular among members of this list. Charles Hart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:07:04 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: AMT DH-4 Question Message-ID: Well if we compare the total amount of bandwidth used by you Gaston to the amount used by Ken, and the OT percentage, I don't think Ken has anything to worry about. /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gaston Graf [mailto:ggraf@vo.lu] > Sent: den 5 december 2001 22:30 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: AMT DH-4 Question > > > Lee, > > donno if Ken really configured this to be included in his > mail or if his > software automatically adds this to MIME messages. But for > the rest I do > fully aggree with you. One should also point out that text > only format is a > guarantee for virus free emails send via the list. If the > list would be > operated in HTML (MIME) mode, many list members would have > been affected by > the recent virus epedemic. Thanks to the simple text mode, > the malicious > code could not be excecuted. And because this is a discussion > group, nothing > else than text mode is required anyway. In case somebody > wants to share > pictures with the community that cannot be added to the text > messages there > are sure volounteers to be found to post them on their > websites, including > myself. > > Snip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 02:10:55 -0600 From: John Huggins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hazards of Modelling Message-ID: > > Who has perfected the art of snake ID. Only 2 species exist >> in nature. 1. >> Them I don't see. 2. Them thats about to get dead. > >We teach our kids that there are two types > >1. Poisonous snakes to avoid at all costs >2. Snakes that might be harmless but could be poisonous and should be >avoided at all costs. When it comes to snakes, there are only 4 types that I am deathly afraid of. If one were to come in the house, it would have to get a job, because it would have just become the proud owner of a house and every thing that was in it. I almost forgot, the 4 types I was talking about are: 1. Big ones 2. Little ones 3. Live ones 4. Dead ones I There may be one or two other types but I can't think of them now. JP -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 03:27:10 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Paul LLoyds Dr.1 research Message-ID: <5b.1f416423.294085de@aol.com> I haven't seen the article in question but I think I know what it's about. There is apparently a theory floating around that the undersides were streaked in blue in the same way that upper surfaces were streaked in green. This despite the fact that all surviving samples show solid colour. Another case of never mind the evidence, let's re-interpret the photographs and flog a few books. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 03:29:31 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: eBay alert Message-ID: It's a good book but probably available for half the first bid price cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:01:01 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Paul LLoyds Dr.1 research Message-ID: >I'm interested (if not too late) to explain to him why the "dark turquoise" >undersides of a Dr.1 could appear so light in photos that it must surely be >"a much lighter shade, possibly a sky blue" Have you ever tried to explain the difference between "orthochromatic" and "ordinary" to a technical philistine? Can be entertaining, if a little frustrating. Of course, that snake was bright red all over, you were just seeing it in ortho, which the human eye switches to in moments of extreme panic....this research could re-write all our colour scheme books.... :) N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:07:24 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Paul LLoyds Dr.1 research Message-ID: <3C0F354C.C128FD10@dial.pipex.com> Shane Weier wrote: > Hi all, > > I have just been reading a letter to the editor of Scale Aircraft Modelling > (the original SAM, not SAMI, the catalogue) As the author is one of the Editors pals, I suspect the letter is written to order. Note how often Ernie Lee appears in the letters page, often spreading some unsubstansiated rumour, like nonmailling of paint. > > > Paul Lloyd, a sometimes contributor on WW2 camouflage colours has a bee in > his bonnet about depictions of MvR's triplanes (and triplanes in general) > and is about to amaze the world with what I am sure from the tone of his > letter, will be a revelation of just how far off all the *existing* expert > interpretations are from "reality" > > Since my "latest" issue is Oct 2001, I assume things have progressed. Can > anyone in the UK tell me whether this has come to fruition yet, or let us > know if they've taken his opportunity to provide him with more information? > Nothing has appeared yet. I did think about dropping a letter, but I'm in ongoing correspondence with their other 'Paul', Mr Lucas, about his interpretation of ot pt2 colours. Just something pointing him in the direction of the works of DSA, Imrie etc etc I'd go ahead - they accept email letters. I think that they are getting a bit 'revisionist' - in the latest issue, Paul Lucas admits his only reference to OD being brown is a copy of a Monogram book, rather than the primary standards they bleat on about at other times. NB Paul Lloyd is IPMS UK Technical Advice Service co-ordinator these days. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:02:30 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 1/72nd Mechanics Message-ID: 1/72nd mechanics? Apparently they only make small mistakes... N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:12:17 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Paul LLoyds Dr.1 research Message-ID: <3C0F3671.ABD336A@dial.pipex.com> LEONARDPeterL@aol.com wrote: > I haven't seen the article in question but I think I know what it's about. > There is apparently a theory floating around that the undersides were > streaked in blue in the same way that upper surfaces were streaked in green. > This despite the fact that all surviving samples show solid colour. Another > case of never mind the evidence, let's re-interpret the photographs and flog > a few books. > Don't think it's that Peter, from reading it seems like someone has asked Paul about MVR's DR1, he's looked at a few refs and thought, hmmm, that's strange, then, Wow, maybe no-one's thought about this !! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 07:01:38 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: 1/72nd Mechanics Message-ID: <009201c17e3c$ff246f80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Nigel wrote: > 1/72nd mechanics? Apparently they only make small mistakes... ...'cause they are used to work in the wee small hours of the morning... D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 07:03:12 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: eBay alert Message-ID: <00a801c17e3d$3751d820$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Chrales wrote: > This is a rather hard to find book: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1493662872 Hmm very interesting, altough a bit steep for me even at the starting price... Grzes, Witold, Tomasz.... is this book still available from a regular source in Poland? D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 01:58:02 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: Subject: Re: Paul LLoyds Dr.1 research Message-ID: Guess we should ask him about Voss' cowl so we can have the final answer once and for all Bob > Don't think it's that Peter, from reading it seems like someone has asked Paul > about MVR's DR1, he's looked at a few refs and thought, hmmm, that's strange, > then, Wow, maybe no-one's thought about this !! > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 02:14:08 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: Subject: RE: eBay alert Message-ID: Interesting to see the Showbirds depicted in it. Here I thought i was the first to do them in colour .. . . . If it is no longer available and no one bids on it in the next week I may just have to do so myself. .. sopwith5f1 Bob > From: "Diego Fernetti" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 04:58:40 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] RE: eBay alert > > Chrales wrote: >> This is a rather hard to find book: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1493662872 > > > Hmm very interesting, altough a bit steep for me even at the starting > price... > Grzes, Witold, Tomasz.... is this book still available from a regular source > in Poland? > D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 07:23:22 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Hazards of Modelling Message-ID: <00ca01c17e40$082da3a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Grzes wrote: > And then run away, as fast as only roo > can run! > In that jacket was passport, money etc... > (story heard from Polish diplomat, who made that man new passport, > but I don't know if it's really true) Bye jingos! Just last weekend I met a kangaroo in a pub who sweared me that he was a Polish tourist! It seemed to me a bit shonky... D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 02:16:00 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: ww1 mailing list Subject: Attn Diego Message-ID: I have tried three times to answer your off-list email of two days ago .. each time I get the following message the destination server said: Su dominio esta bloqueado.Consulte con su proveedor (from rosario.gov.ar:200.47.16.130) No idea what it means, but the message bounces .. I'll be on AIM for another 1/2 hour or so Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 04:28:16 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: 1/72nd Mechanics Message-ID: <004301c17e40$bb5b15c0$8c3dfad1@ibs4421> > Nigel wrote: > > 1/72nd mechanics? Apparently they only make small mistakes... > > ..'cause they are used to work in the wee small hours of the morning... > D. . . . .and in a short amount of time. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 05:27:48 -0800 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Paul Schmitt P.S.7 Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:17:40 -0500 (EST), Volker H„usler wrote: > Just checked it myself, and it was actually CCI vol 28 no 1 Awesome! Can anybody with the reference email me direct to LMK what exactly are its contents, please? TIA! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 05:29:59 -0800 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Hazards of Modelling Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:49:05 -0500 (EST), cameron rile wrote: > I used to jump on my boots to make sure there > werent any redbacks, funnel webs or white tails > in them. It is obvious when modelling in the > future you will have to jump on your model to > make certain it is free of snakes, spiders and > scorpions. Or finger choppers. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3952 **********************