WWI Digest 3936 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: e: Gotha by Rory Goodwin 2) Re: bullets and such by "Hans Trauner" 3) Re: 1/28 Fokker Triplanes by KarrArt@aol.com 4) Re: bullets and such:M by "Hans Trauner" 5) Re: SV: Re: Gotha by Rory Goodwin 6) Walfisch observations by Rory Goodwin 7) by "David Watts" 8) MPM, Czech Master's Kits, Azur, etc. by Todd Hayes 9) Re: Thanks / 1/72 Sopwith Triplane by "James Fahey" 10) RE: What happened to list? by Shane Weier 11) AEG trainer startup procedure by "Gaston Graf" 12) RE: Plywood aircraft covering by "James Fahey" 13) 千万元大赠送 ERP/MRPII 中小企业管理软件 by "VG Soft" 14) RE: Plywood aircraft covering by "ibs4421" 15) RE: PEed Off by "Diego Fernetti" 16) ot George Harrison by Crawford Neil 17) RE: ot George Harrison by "Diego Fernetti" 18) RE: scarf joint by "Diego Fernetti" 19) Re: Fonderie Miniatures by "Tom Sollers" 20) Re: Salmson WAS: eBay alert by Witold Kozakiewicz 21) RE: AEG trainer startup procedure by "Diego Fernetti" 22) RE: What happened to list? by "Diego Fernetti" 23) Re: Salmson WAS: eBay alert by Crawford Neil 24) Kozhevnikov Was: Fokker D.VII ponderance by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 25) Re: Kozhevnikov by "Matt Bittner" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:22:40 -0800 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: e: Gotha Message-ID: <3C0717A0.7114FC51@earthlink.net> July 1995 Vol. 13 No. 6 Magnus wrote: > Thanks. The snow will probably start coming here also. > What number of FSM was it? > > Magnus > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Solinski > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:50 PM > Subject: [WWI] Re: SV: Re: Gotha > > > > > > > > > > How inaccurate are they? What I mean, is it possible to correct it, or > > > should I ruin myself with the one recently released in resin? Would make > > all > > > other purchases suffer terrible! :-) > > Magnus > > > > Welcome from Oklahoma, where it actually snowed yesterday! > > > > Look in back issues of Fine Scale Modeler, there was an article about > > bringing the kit closer to "real". Being a SOB builder myself, there > didn't > > seem to be that much done to the outside shape. > > HTH > > Tom S > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 06:22:58 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: bullets and such Message-ID: <005301c1795f$12920ce0$b8a272d4@FRITZweb> Thanks! But, alas, my bullet is far to blunt. Simply half rounded... Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:29 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: bullets and such > Hans! > Read this! > http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/8172/panzerfaust6.htm > Also try to search "caliber 14.5" in google.com > Greetings! > Grzegorz > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:24:46 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 1/28 Fokker Triplanes Message-ID: <106.97eb6b9.2938721e@aol.com> In a message dated 11/29/01 9:22:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, hans.trauner@nefkom.net writes: << Revell's kit is still the original form the 50's. Hobbycraft simply copied it. As usual I prefer the original, but I must confess when the orginal was not available I bought a copy, also. It's nearly identical and no improvement. Even the special aileron layout is copied, as fas as I remember. Hans >> Actually, the Hobbycraft kit dos have the symetrical ailerons! Except for that, the kits are pretty much interchangable. RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 06:27:19 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: bullets and such:M Message-ID: <007501c1795f$ae8832a0$b8a272d4@FRITZweb> Thank you, Eli. The training ground is fully enclosed with housing and industry within a 1 - 2 km radius. I really can't imagine that russian AA equipment was tested there. Hans ( I fear this thread is going too ot now, even when the bullet was found on a WWI airfield...) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Geher" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:27 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: bullets and such:M > Apologies for extending this OT thread, but my direct reply must have gone > astray in the virus epidemic. 14.5 mm is a Russian ZSU anti-aircraft > round. The one I've had access to is a quad mount that was taken as a > trophy from Iraq and has been, regrettably, demilitarized by welding just > about every moveable part. The base you explored probably had one for test > or demonstration at some time. > > Eli Geher > > At 01:58 PM 11/29/01 -0500, Hans Trauner wrote: > >No, no, everthing clear now. For the bullet: I am not really wiser about it, > >Robert. Your suggestions are great, but it's definitely 14,55 mm. I'll have > >to look for any gun specialists here in Nuernberg, but they are rare over > >here. > >Thanks for any help! > > > >Hans > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:36:01 -0800 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: SV: Re: Gotha Message-ID: <3C071AC1.BE3CB913@earthlink.net> As "I'm not Rockefeller" (Cliff, official crusty modeler of IPMS San Jose) and can't afford the lovely CSM kit I've been considering the Aurora/G.IV option. However, I'm not relishing the idea of carving two nacelles out of basswood only to have to skin 'em in card. I'm either going to have to beg Eric to sell me a pair separately or find somebody to (hollow?) cast a single generic nacelle (they are symmetical) in resin which can be mangled-er, modified into port and starboard nacelles...John? KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > If looked at as a set of very basic shapes from which to extract a Gotha, it's > not a bad prospect. Oh- and it's probably easier to convert it to a G.IV by > scratching the large engine nacelles than it would be to make a G.V with the > odd pods and struttery. Not impossible to make a good Gotha- just more fun > than you might wish for. > RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:26:40 -0800 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Walfisch observations Message-ID: <3C0726A0.85BB7757@earthlink.net> Diego sent me some very informative drawings (which he got from RK) by one V. E. Nulk which compell me to retract my statement about the inacuraccy of the Eduard instrument panel(since the dashed-line drawing in the datafile are apparently conjectural). These drawings show all of the fuselage formers based on a photograph in WWI Aeroplanes No. 160(?). Nulk's drawings are a much better guide to picking the whale's bones than my fumblings with a dremel and files, especially for Airfix projects. He notes that "Number of horizontal members (cross-bracers) in [formers] F4 and F5 (Eduard parts A5 & C15) vary for unknown reason". This may be due to variations in early vs. late versions. What you're faced with in the Eduard kit is a little compromise and interpretation. Compromise, because the formers are not quite the right shape, and interpretation the photos/refs to make the cut-outs to reach the most accurate configurations of both horizontal and verical members within the shapes of the kit part formers. I found, for example, that the top horizontal member should be around 2mm lower that its raised outline on the kit part (A5), but that the area below the third horizontal member may not be worth cutting out as the fuel tank position locator is 2-3mm below it on the front side of the part. I cut out most of part C15 around the frame outlines, but left a cross member with the seat position locator on it. More later... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 01:21:03 -0500 From: "David Watts" To: "\"W. W. I Group\" <", > Message-ID: Hello! Is Langdon there yet? Best, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:39:28 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: MPM, Czech Master's Kits, Azur, etc. Message-ID: <20011130063928.84681.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Hi List, I've been following the discussion on the forthcoming MPM Salmson. If you check this site: www.modelimex.com and look at the Czech Master's Kits listing, you'll see what looks like an answer to the question of the origin of MPM and Azur kits. As many of you know, Czech Master's tools have been used by quite a few companies through the years as the basis for their kits. If you look down the list of kits done by CMK at the above mentioned site, you'll see many kits that have been issued under the MPM, Azur, and other labels. CMK seems to be the company responsible for producing the masters and the tools with the majority of the actual kits produced by other companies rather than CMK with MPM either as the manufacturer or distributor. I wouldn't be surprised if MPM isn't responsible for producing any of the masters and tools they use. Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:43:56 +1300 From: "James Fahey" To: Subject: Re: Thanks / 1/72 Sopwith Triplane Message-ID: <002401c1796a$63922160$bc92a7cb@computer> Hi John I think you will find the Revell 1/72 Sopwith triplane was the only one kitted and it has been out of production for a few years now. You should still be able to find one from dealers specialising in OOP kits, such as Kingkit in the UK: http://www.kingkit.co.uk/ or maybe North Star Hobbies at http://www.cahood.com/nshcatf.htm Another option is putting a WTB on the Swapshop noticeboard at Modelling Madness (I picked up my Triplane there from a modeller in Australia about two months ago): http://disc.server.com/Indices/90209.html Cheers James ----- Original Message ----- From: "jernst" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 4:56 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Thanks / 1/72 Sopwith Triplane > Hi all, > > Let me first thank everyone for the responses to my various questions over > the past couple of days. As a newbie, you're all making me feel welcome. > > now, if I can ask another question. Does anyone know of a 1/72 Sopwith > Triplane kit currently available? I'm slowly acquiring as many Sopwiths as I > can, pretending I'm going to build them someday. > > TIA, > > john > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:47:19 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: What happened to list? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD84F@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Mark, > > Beats me. I'm at work and no-one is providing me with the > > excuse to skive off. > > I've been there > It's a horrible predicament; sometimes you just have to get creative. > try the Aerodrome No thanks. I can do without the endless repetition of the same questions. It happens here too, but it always seems that our newbies learn faster. Maybe they do it because Matt keeps telling them to "Look at the site, silly" > and if nothing is going on there go over to > hyperscale.... Nothing is going on at Hyperscale. At least, if you're a WW1'ophile desperately avoiding any discussion of the last detail of the Bf-1**-G-xyz Discussion of the number of turns of elastic in a WW1 pilots jockstrap are, of course *important* details. > or see what kind of trouble is brewing on RMS Always something. And if there isn't, I *do* try. But rarely any ww1 stuff > > Or if all else fails - > do some wor .... uh ... oh, never mind. No need to get disgusting ! :-) Time to go home for the weekend ! Until tomorrow.....have fun Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 07:48:34 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: AEG trainer startup procedure Message-ID: This was taken from Kurt Jentsch's book "Jagdflieger im Feuer" (combat pilot under fire): Aircraft: AEG two-seater trainer. Engine: Argus 4 cyl. 1) The mechanic makes sure the aircraft is secured by wheel blocks. 2) The pilot puts the fuel tank under pressure. (I assume this was done giving strokes with a hand pump similar to the primer pump in a Cessna - does anyone know more about the pump used in German WW1 aircraft? When was the correct pressure reached? Was a fuel pressure indicator installed?) 3) The pilot assures himself that "everything" (ignition) is switched off and gives the command "AUS!" (off). 3) The mechanic pulls the propeller through by hand until "it stands well on compression". Then he shouts "FREI!" (clear). (I assume he confirmed to the pilot that the popeller is clear of people and obstacles). 4) As soon as the pilot hears "FREI", he switches on the Bosch mangeto and and starts the engine by quickly turning a starter crank. (But where was that crank located?) 5) The pilots lets the engine turn on retarded ignition for a few minutes to heat it up. Then he switches to pre-ignition. 6) Two mechanics are holding the bird on its wing struts while a third mechanic is holding its tail before the pilot gives full throttle, letting the engine run at 1400 rpm to check if the engine runs properly. 7) The pilot slows down the engine and gives the command to remove the wheel blocks and hold the aircraft. With one mechanic holding each of the wings, he taxis to the departure point. (Imagine the guys skidding on their feet over the grass...) 8) The pilot receives the clearance for departure by a white flag waved by the start officer. He accelerates slowly and pushes the stick forward until the tail leaves the ground, then he brings the elevator in neutral position. (What about the mechanics - did they let themself fall flat on the belly after they released the wings?) It took about 30m to lift up the tail. After about 200m the kite was airborn. Jentsch describes two starts, the first solo of Kurt Wolff as well as his own first solo, but never he mentionned that it was necessary to pull on the stick to lift the AEG from the ground. Also he does not mention that application of rudder was important to keep the aircraft straight. I assume this was not so important for the AEG since its tail fin was quite small, hence there wasn't much propeller wind that hit the tail to push it sidewards. And maybe it wasn't necessary to apply elevator pressure at all to get airborne... As a precaution to avoid damage on the aircraft on the ground, they was all brought into the sheds before a newbie took off for his first solo because it happened that a pilot lost control of his kite on the start, crashing into the other aircraft on the ground which stopped flight training for a while. On his first solo, Jentsch flew AEG 89. Because he flew alone, the mechanics had strapped two sand bags into the seat of his instructor to balance the aircraft. He does not mention the exact type of the aircraft. It is only said it was an AEG and the number behind the letters was the number of the aircraft. The landing direction was indicated to the pilot by laying out a cross on the airfield. Maybe they had a "landing officer" being responsible for this, or maybe the start officer was also responsible for the landings? Learning to fly must have been funny in the old times ;o). Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:50:57 +1300 From: "James Fahey" To: Subject: RE: Plywood aircraft covering Message-ID: <003701c1796b$5f6c9e20$bc92a7cb@computer> My local public library has this book on the shelf so if anyone has specific questions I may be able to send scans of pictures. Cheers James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 4:12 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: Plywood aircraft covering > Warren, > > > > > > >: in the NASM Albatros restoration book > > > > > > > > Folks, > > Can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of this book? > > Second hand dealers. It's long out of print, seriously sought after and hard > to come by. > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:30:41 +0800 From: "VG Soft" To: Custom Subject: 千万元大赠送 ERP/MRPII 中小企业管理软件 Message-ID: 推动管理进步 千万元大赠送! 在我国加入WTO 之际,深圳威尔格软件公司 全面推出: 推动"管理进步"中小企业管理软件大赠送活动. 旨在武装中华民族的企业,勇敢的"与狼共舞", 迎接机遇与挑战,推动我国的企业管理现代化。 欢迎访问威尔格公司网站 http://www.vgsoft.net 或参阅11月12日中国计算机报第86期软件与服务专版, 了解赠送活动详情及赠送软件的强大实用的功能. 欢迎参与"管理进步"计划活动. 先到先得,好机会,莫错过! 深圳威尔格软件公司 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 04:24:33 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: RE: Plywood aircraft covering Message-ID: <002101c17989$350cdb40$8d3dfad1@ibs4421> > My local public library has this book on the shelf James, Consider yourself fortunate! Warren ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 07:32:59 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: PEed Off Message-ID: <017001c1798a$61d0b4c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hola Pedro! I paint the barrels once they are rolled, holding them with a sharpened match stick (a toothpick would work in the same way). I use a quality Pelikan India ink for quill writing, but used Rotring ink once, however Rotring is thicker and as you tought, it had a tendency to peel from the metal (maybe that barrel wasn't clean enough before painting). I paint the "flat" PE pieces of the machine gun (like the end piece and side cranks) while still on the fret and after they're annealed. As usual a bit of touch up is needed once the gun is assembled, but I've never experienced that the ink would peel off because is too thin. It sort of rubs off the edges if you handle the part too much. HTH um abra鏾! D. PS: I guess that Peter Leonard's tip of using a permanent marker would work OK as well, since they have a very thin alcohol based ink (pigment?). But I always have Pelikan ink in my desk, so... ----- Original Message ----- From: Pedro Soares To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 6:48 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: PEed Off > Dieo > > Won't the ink peel off? If it won't it really must beat painting with enamel > since the ink is so thin. > > Obrigado pelo tip. > > Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:04:31 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: ot George Harrison Message-ID: Just saw that George Harrison has died, that's sad. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:23:36 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: ot George Harrison Message-ID: <01b101c17991$73f8f980$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> May he rest in peace. He left good things for us. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:06 AM Subject: [WWI] ot George Harrison > > Just saw that George Harrison has died, that's sad. > /Neil C. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:38:25 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: scarf joint Message-ID: <01f701c17993$86542760$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Thanks Shane! Makes sense. I've seen the lozenge joint line in the NASM between two ribs. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 8:17 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: scarf joint > Diego, > > >As I've read, Alabtrosen didn't had > > wooden structure > > members inside the scarf joints, but the reason is still > > unclear to me. > > The same reason that fabric joints on wings are not over the ribs - the join > in the fabric or wood is the weakest point, and the rib or former is the > point where the greatest stress will be applied. > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 05:49:25 -0500 From: "Tom Sollers" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fonderie Miniatures Message-ID: <200111301051.fAUAoUX02797@mail.bcpl.net> Todd: Mike Good is one of the top names in military miniatures. He lives in California and occasionally contributes to this list. He does superbly realistic figures. Some of his work is in the 1/48 range by Jaguar. An OT set in the range is his WWI pilot and mechanic. This set was featured on the front cover of Windsock a few years back. Really incredible stuff. Tom ---------- >From: Todd Hayes >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: Fonderie Miniatures >Date: Thu, Nov 29, 2001, 6:18 PM > >Tom, > >>From what I can see from the photo, it looks like a >fairly decent figure. I don't think I know the Mike >you're speaking of. He's European? > >Todd > > >--- tsollers wrote: >> Todd: >> >> Got a look at the figures you were referring to in >> the new Squadron catalog. >> After seeing them, I agree that this is not Mike's >> work. Hopefully we'll see >> his stuff pop up somewhere else shortly. >> >> Tom > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. >http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:35:12 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Salmson WAS: eBay alert Message-ID: <3C076EF0.9030307@bg.am.lodz.pl> Steven Perry wrote: >Witold >Are there any 1/72 decals available for the Eskadra 16(39)? > Sorry Steven but AFAIK no. only hope is ALPS, or waiting maybe this would be one of the decal option with Azur/MPM kit. I have a picture of this plane, 3/4 view from stbd back - rudder with number fuselage and all upper wing shown. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:45:01 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: AEG trainer startup procedure Message-ID: <020601c17994$71bfcb00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Sounds much like the procedure to start an Albatros that's described in the NSAM book we've commenting here lately. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gaston Graf Subject: [WWI] AEG trainer startup procedure > 2) The pilot puts the fuel tank under pressure. (I assume this was done > giving strokes with a hand pump similar to the primer pump in a Cessna - > does anyone know more about the pump used in German WW1 aircraft? When was > the correct pressure reached? Was a fuel pressure indicator installed?) The pump looked like a bike tyre pump attached to a cockpit side, usually the starboard wall. Check the pictures on the WW1 page, I'm sure that must be something there. > 4) As soon as the pilot hears "FREI", he switches on the Bosch mangeto and > and starts the engine by quickly turning a starter crank. (But where was > that crank located?) Sort of a small black box, labelled "bosch" with a small crank. It was almost universal in every german airplane > The landing direction was indicated to the pilot by laying out a cross on > the airfield. Maybe they had a "landing officer" being responsible for this, > or maybe the start officer was also responsible for the landings? James Mc Cudden (who started his career as a crew member) describes this too in his bio. Looks like no officers were involved in this, but just the commoners, as the cleaning of engines, tent building, etc. > Learning to fly must have been funny in the old times ;o). Learning to fly is ALWAYS funny! D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:47:35 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: What happened to list? Message-ID: <023501c17994$cde76820$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Shane! > No use whatever of the universal adjective, so it's clearly a fake. Not a > bad try though by that bloody Argentine stirrer. Just wish I could pronounce half of the words I wrote! D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:42:42 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Salmson WAS: eBay alert Message-ID: As far as I can see, this is the original Czeckmaster resin. When RR reviewed it originally, he wrote that this is the best WW1 kit ever. As I understand it's still easily the best Salmson and probably better than any new kit unless Hasegawa does it. So to me $9 is cheap for this benchmark kit. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:44:21 +0100 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: Kozhevnikov Was: Fokker D.VII ponderance Message-ID: Grzegorz, Matt, I was a bit off topic last days, and thus I enter the discussion so late, but "better late than never". 1. Soviets bought Fokkers after domestic war had ended, thus they don't appear in RCW book. The version of the Fokkers is unclear but it is one of Anthony Fokker's post-war modifications. I'll try to find more on that. 2. There is little known on Kozhevnikov's career during RCW. According to the information published in Krzysztof Tarkowski's book, in Summer 1920 Kozhevnikov was commanding a Fighter Group known as Kozhevnikov Group. The group was based in Bobrujsk area, some 100 km South of Borisov - Shirinkin's operational area. According to RCW book Kozhevnikov Group consisted of two Avyaotryads (IIRC), one of them was 1st Istyebityelnyj Otryad. 1st IOT was known because of its most famous pilot Sapozhnikov. Entire group was equipped with Soviet built Nieuport 24s bis. A Nie 24bis was used by Sapozhnikov to score his sole victory during Polish-Bolshevik war (LVG V flown by Capt. Jurgenson of 12 eskadra, who survived emergency landing but was captured and murdered by Bolsheviks). I have found no data on Kozhevnikov himself so far, but I'll continue searching. Tomasz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 05:50:25 -0800 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Kozhevnikov Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 06:45:30 -0500 (EST), Tomasz Gronczewski wrote: > I was a bit off topic last days, and thus I enter the discussion so late, > but "better late than never". NP. Every little bit helps. > 1. Soviets bought Fokkers after domestic war had ended, thus they don't > appear in RCW book. The version of the Fokkers is unclear but it is one of > Anthony Fokker's post-war modifications. I'll try to find more on that. It appears they were the "later" Fokker variants, also known as the Fokker D.VIIF. I've been doing more research on them and that's what I come up with. > 2. There is little known on Kozhevnikov's career during RCW. According to > the information published in Krzysztof Tarkowski's book, in Summer 1920 > Kozhevnikov was commanding a Fighter Group known as Kozhevnikov Group. The > group was based in Bobrujsk area, some 100 km South of Borisov - Shirinkin's > operational area. According to RCW book Kozhevnikov Group consisted of two > Avyaotryads (IIRC), one of them was 1st Istyebityelnyj Otryad. 1st IOT was > known because of its most famous pilot Sapozhnikov. Entire group was > equipped with Soviet built Nieuport 24s bis. A Nie 24bis was used by > Sapozhnikov to score his sole victory during Polish-Bolshevik war (LVG V > flown by Capt. Jurgenson of 12 eskadra, who survived emergency landing but > was captured and murdered by Bolsheviks). Thanks, that definitely helps. > I have found no data on Kozhevnikov himself so far, but I'll continue > searching. I am deeply indebted. For some reason this is one pilot I really want to track down information on - and finding it difficult finding any. FWIW it looks like Blue Rider might have these decals wrong - that is, the decals for all the Soviet Fokker D.VIIs. More on that as I perform more research. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3936 **********************