WWI Digest 3919 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Magazine swap by "Pedro Soares" 2) RE: PART PE Detail Set for the Gavia Bristol Scout by "Diego Fernetti" 3) Re: WWI Action Figures by "Diego Fernetti" 4) Re: Camer question was: Re: WWI helmets..ATTN : Hans... by "Hans Trauner" 5) Re: German steel helmet by "Hans Trauner" 6) Re: WWI Action Figures by "Hans Trauner" 7) Re: WWI Action Figures by "ibs4421" 8) Re: German steel helmet by "ibs4421" 9) Re: Albatros drain holes by "Limon3" 10) Mack Harris: Where are you? by "ibs4421" 11) Re: Albatros drain holes by Karen Rychlewski 12) Re: Albatros drain holes by Jan Vihonen 13) Re: Albatros drain holes by "Steven Perry" 14) RE: Mack Harris: Where are you? by "Gaston Graf" 15) Fokker DrI - performance and camouflage by "Nigel Rayner" 16) Re: Jasta 16b and Max Holtzem Questions? by "Limon3" 17) RB CD by zbob@att.net 18) Re: Specials at Hannants by Steve Cox 19) Re: Jasta 16b and Max Holtzem Questions? by KarrArt@aol.com 20) RE: Mack Harris: Where are you? by "ibs4421" 21) Re: Fokker DrI - performance and camouflage by "Tom Solinski" 22) Re: Argus Engine/AGAIN by Todd Hayes 23) 1/32 OT Pilot Figure by Fronderie Miniatures by Todd Hayes 24) Re: Albatros drain holes by Shane Weier 25) Red Baron CD F/S by "Fraser May" 26) Re: Fokker DrI - performance and camouflage by "David Watts" 27) RE: RB CD by "Gaston Graf" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 09:47:56 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Magazine swap Message-ID: <000701c174cd$1820b940$c67116d5@netcabo.pt> Guys, I have an extra issue of September's Le Fana de l'Aviation. OT content: First part of a nice biography on Jules Vedrines (12 pages) and the 2nd and last part of a monography on Sikorsky aircraft built up to 1917 at the RBVZ of Sain-Petersburg (covering s-12Bis, S-15, S-16, S-16A, S16Ser, S-17, S-18, S-19) (10 pages). Also there's a very nice colour monography on Pitcairn aircraft. Does anyone have a spare issue of October's The Aeroplane (the one with the Supermarine SE6 file) to trade for the above? Thanks Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:06:53 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: PART PE Detail Set for the Gavia Bristol Scout Message-ID: Thanks Witold! I've already did some damage to the Pfalzes I own, so the details sets inner frames would fit loose inside them... Time for microstrip and labeling tape! D.. >From: Witold Kozakiewicz >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] RE: PART PE Detail Set for the Gavia Bristol Scout >Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:49:13 -0500 (EST) > >Diego Fernetti wrote: > > > I always wondered about this in the "built in" structures of PART >details. > > (I still have none) it's considered the plastic thickness of the kit in >each > > different set, or it is reccommneded that you must sand the innards >first to > > achieve scale thickness? > > D. > >That depends, >for Gotha you only hace to remove moulded interior frames, the same for >Pfalz D.III, but ot Karas needs lots of sanding. As allways dry fit >before glue. > >-- >Witold Kozakiewicz > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:22:53 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: WWI Action Figures Message-ID: Warren: Nice link thanks! The french figure is very good, and the german type looks mean! D.. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:25:39 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Camer question was: Re: WWI helmets..ATTN : Hans... Message-ID: <000701c174e3$20ddf5a0$8fac72d4@FRITZweb> I'll try when I have my (gun)camera ready the next time. I still do not have a digi pix camera, because I can not find one with enough depth of field. Any suggestions? ( Below 1000 $ please...!) Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 1:04 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: WWI helmets..ATTN : Hans... > Can the AFV BBQ site have a pic of your Stormtrooper please. :) > > Cheers > > Ross > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hans Trauner" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 8:31 AM > Subject: [WWI] Re: WWI helmets > > > | Karen asked: > | > | > Matt & Allan, is an apology necessary? > | > | No. I won't think so. My latest WWI model is a 1918 stormtrooper, wearing > a > | steel helmet. This very model made purchase literature and forced me into > | deeper research on german steel helmets and their colouring. It's nearly > | always a model project ( not necessarely a finished one...) which brings > me > | new books and new ideas and new questions for the list. And a steel helmet > | is a legitime part of a WWI model. > | > | Hans > | > | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:28:32 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: German steel helmet Message-ID: <003301c174e3$89b19780$8fac72d4@FRITZweb> Where there not american units in the 19th century which wore the british form of piked helmets, too? Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad & Merville" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 4:59 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: German steel helmet > Very interesting. I was always under the impression that the spike was made > removable after several unfortunate incidents were reported involving duels > with balloons and blunderbusses! > > Brad > "Zer iss nossing a Cherman offizer cannot do!" (my all-time favourite > movie) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Diego Fernetti > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Friday, November 23, 2001 6:20 AM > Subject: [WWI] Re: German steel helmet > > > >Gasterix wrote: > >> As the Germans invaded Luxemburg and Belgium they still > >> wore the "Pickelhaube" but in most cases removed the tip. Their > equippment > >> and logistics was superior to the French and what I plan for my book is a > >> most detailed description of the equippment and uniforms of both sides. > > > >You probably knew this, but in 1914 the spikes of the helmets were riveted > >to the crown, but in later versions they were issued with removable spikes > >so in frontline use they didn't make a good aiming point for the enemy. You > >can read an excellent essay on german helmets at > >http://www.worldwar1.com/sfgph.htm Check also the associated links at the > >top of the page. > >One of the factors of the demise of the classic pickelhaube was the > shortage > >of raw materials to make them. The body of the helmet (or more precisely of > >the head-dress) was made in boiled leather. The leather was imported from > >overseas and thanks to the efficient british blockade no new leather stocks > >could reach the german ports.... do you know from where the leather was > >sent? Yes, from Argentina! Probably the cargo ships with the german orders > >ended in England and were used to make equipment for the tommies. Ironies > of > >war! > >D. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:00:45 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: WWI Action Figures Message-ID: <00bd01c174e8$07e271c0$8fac72d4@FRITZweb> The best one seems to me the Poilu. Good face! The two Tommies are great also, but I am not to familiar about the uniform details. The Stormtrooper looks 'mean', as already written, but he has to. But he is very specific with his gun. This machine gun was issued very late after the Kaiserschlacht when the German Army was in fully retreat. And trench warfare was over. A 98k would or a Parabellum 08 would have been a more typical choice. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 07:46:40 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: WWI Action Figures Message-ID: <000d01c174ee$72a8fb40$923dfad1@ibs4421> I agree Hans. I have thought several times to modify existing 12" figures, I have sen others do it, but the sticky point is getting/making a decent G98. I have seen some use the 98k from WWII fame, but it doesn't cut it for me. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Trauner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 7:07 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: WWI Action Figures > The best one seems to me the Poilu. Good face! The two Tommies are great > also, but I am not to familiar about the uniform details. The Stormtrooper > looks 'mean', as already written, but he has to. But he is very specific > with his gun. This machine gun was issued very late after the Kaiserschlacht > when the German Army was in fully retreat. And trench warfare was over. A > 98k would or a Parabellum 08 would have been a more typical choice. > > Hans > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 07:49:02 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: German steel helmet Message-ID: <001d01c174ee$c75a31e0$923dfad1@ibs4421> Yes Hans, in the late 19th century you can see US Army troops which are in full dress/parade uniform wearing this kind of helmet. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Trauner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 6:50 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: German steel helmet > Where there not american units in the 19th century which wore the british > form of piked helmets, too? > > Hans > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brad & Merville" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 4:59 PM > Subject: [WWI] Re: German steel helmet > > > > Very interesting. I was always under the impression that the spike was > made > > removable after several unfortunate incidents were reported involving > duels > > with balloons and blunderbusses! > > > > Brad > > "Zer iss nossing a Cherman offizer cannot do!" (my all-time favourite > > movie) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Diego Fernetti > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Date: Friday, November 23, 2001 6:20 AM > > Subject: [WWI] Re: German steel helmet > > > > > > >Gasterix wrote: > > >> As the Germans invaded Luxemburg and Belgium they still > > >> wore the "Pickelhaube" but in most cases removed the tip. Their > > equippment > > >> and logistics was superior to the French and what I plan for my book is > a > > >> most detailed description of the equippment and uniforms of both sides. > > > > > >You probably knew this, but in 1914 the spikes of the helmets were > riveted > > >to the crown, but in later versions they were issued with removable > spikes > > >so in frontline use they didn't make a good aiming point for the enemy. > You > > >can read an excellent essay on german helmets at > > >http://www.worldwar1.com/sfgph.htm Check also the associated links at the > > >top of the page. > > >One of the factors of the demise of the classic pickelhaube was the > > shortage > > >of raw materials to make them. The body of the helmet (or more precisely > of > > >the head-dress) was made in boiled leather. The leather was imported from > > >overseas and thanks to the efficient british blockade no new leather > stocks > > >could reach the german ports.... do you know from where the leather was > > >sent? Yes, from Argentina! Probably the cargo ships with the german > orders > > >ended in England and were used to make equipment for the tommies. Ironies > > of > > >war! > > >D. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 07:48:51 -0800 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: Albatros drain holes Message-ID: <001501c174ff$84ff7060$5af7303f@i7e2z6> Karen, In the book on the Albie restoration by the ASM, there is a section at the end with many cutaway drawings, etc., which shows where the drain holes were located, and were labeled that way, IIRC. (I can't find the book right now) Gabe ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Rychlewski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 11:51 PM Subject: [WWI] Albatros drain holes > Shane seems to have answered my question about the rivet/eyelet thingies down > the middle of the Albatros D.V fuselage underside, and indeed they are > apparently drain holes. > > Now the question becomes, did all the planes with wooden fuselages (Roland, > Pfalz, etc.) have drain holes of some sort? Funny, I never noticed these things > before and can't recall seeing them on any drawings of the Albatrosen. > > Dame Karen > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:29:42 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Mack Harris: Where are you? Message-ID: <000c01c17505$393140e0$703dfad1@ibs4421> Mack, I have your DH 2 Datafile ready to mail to you, but every time I reply to your prior mails, it bounces back on me. Please e-mail me with your address. I apologize to the list members for occupying the bandwidth, but have had some problems getting hold of Mack. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 11:53:29 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Albatros drain holes Message-ID: <3BFFD08A.C5899AB0@earthlink.net> Gabe wrote: > In the book on the Albie restoration by the ASM, there is a section at the > end with many cutaway drawings, etc., which shows where the drain holes were > located, and were labeled that way, IIRC. (I can't find the book right now) Likewise in the NASM book on the restoration of 'Stropp'--I guess I meant other drawings (Windsock, etc.). But I still wonder if these drains were common to all Albatrosen, not just the D.V/Va; as well as other wooden fuselage types. Karen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:10:28 +0200 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Albatros drain holes Message-ID: <3BFFD484.3FE2EB86@helsinki.fi> Dame Karen, > Likewise in the NASM book on the restoration of 'Stropp'--I guess I meant other > drawings (Windsock, etc.). But I still wonder if these drains were common to > all Albatrosen, not just the D.V/Va; as well as other wooden fuselage types. Speaking of other wooden fuselage types, at least Pfalz D.XII had four draining holes under the fuselage. See drawings by Ian Stair in Pfalz DF. Jan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:39:22 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Albatros drain holes Message-ID: <00d801c1750f$00703f40$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> > Speaking of other wooden fuselage types, at least Pfalz D.XII had four > draining holes under the fuselage. See drawings by Ian Stair in Pfalz > DF. Almost certianly. Lack of drain holes would lead to rapid deterioration and delamination of the ply bulkhrads and skin. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:02:49 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Mack Harris: Where are you? Message-ID: Shortly after September 11th Mack had contacted me off list. I replied to his mail which bounced back and I never heard from him again. I asked him via the list to contact me and give me a valid email address but he never send me a sign of life. So Mack, if you are still out there, PLEASE let us know! Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > Mack, > I have your DH 2 Datafile ready to mail to you, but every time I > reply to your prior mails, it bounces back on me. Please e-mail me with > your address. I apologize to the list members for occupying the > bandwidth, > but have had some problems getting hold of Mack. > > Warren > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 18:32:13 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: Fokker DrI - performance and camouflage Message-ID: <000001c17516$56361600$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Hi all, A couple of things that sprang to mind while I was reading the Schiffer book on the DrI while on a business trip. The first was a response to the question someone asked a while back about why there weren't many DrI's even though it was the most "famous" WWI a/c. I think the conclusion someone came to about MvR being killed in one is right on, as according to the Schiffer book the triplane concept was obsolete before it entered service because the allied pilots in faster planes could break off combat at will. Add to that quality problems and you have a short service life. More interestingly were the authors' comments about the factory scheme. They (Wolfgang Schuster and Achim Sven Engels) claim that the streaky camo consisted of *three* colours - CDL base coat, then streaks of blue grey (their description of the blue undersurface colour) and then streaks of olive over the top to give an "impressive three-tone camouflage scheme." I think the authors were involved in the reconstruction of a full size DrI and claim to have seen "original pieces of fabric covering" so I'm assuming they are reasonably knowledgable. Anyone got any thoughts one way or the other on this assertion? Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:18:18 -0800 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: Jasta 16b and Max Holtzem Questions? Message-ID: <00ff01c17485$e7ac84c0$1ff7303f@i7e2z6> Hi Graham, I haven't seen much about Max Holtzem after WWI, but he did get a DVII while in J. 16b. The plane is profiled in the Fokker Anthology #1. HTH Gabe ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Hunter To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: [WWI] Jasta 16b and Max Holtzem Questions? > Hey list, > > I am looking for some history on Max Holtzem and on Jasta 16b. Is there a > book on Holtzem that gives more detail than the FMP Pfalz book and the Data > File on the D.IIIa. I know he lived until the 1980's so there must be > something on him. Did he fly anything other than the D.IIIa operationally? > Did he get a Fokker D.VII or did he get a Pfalz D.XII? > Now what about Jasta 16b info/history/etc? What did this Jasta end the war > with the D.VII or D.XII or both? Was the vertical stripes a unit marking or > pilot markings? > > TIA, Graham > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 18:32:23 +0000 From: zbob@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RB CD Message-ID: <20011124183223.DGLX13117.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Golly, I didn't know that I could filter asking prices thru Graf before posting. I was trying to find some poor soul who was anxious to complete his collection of stuff and needed the RB. The thing is new, in its sealed box, with a great Wal-Mart sticker on it. Sierra included the modern A-10 Warthog simulator as well. If the price is too high, I'm in a free market, and open to offers. Don't forget I was including a shipping package and 3.50 worth of postage to get it to the new owner... And if it doesn't sell, I can toss the disc into the OALcoaster pile and use the crystal box creatively...... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 18:34:27 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Specials at Hannants Message-ID: I have the Pegasus and Toko Pegasus is nice, with metal engine prop, guns and details, and some nice hex decal, in dark blue , mid blue and grey. On the sprue the wings appear to have that distinctive "hump" The Toko is better moulded overall, and has two tailplane options, and a trolley. the hex decal sheet looks 1/32nd scale rather than 1/72nd, the hexes are twice the size of the Pegasus ones, in dark blue ,mid blue and white. There are some Norwegian and Danish markings as well as German. Regards Steve nb =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html http://www.bramptonscalemodelclub.fsnet.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: "James Fahey" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:42:38 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Specials at Hannants > > I noticed these good OT deals at Hannants today: > > 1/72 Roden Gotha G.IV twin engined bomber usually £13.57 now £8.50 > 1/72 Pegasus Hansa Brandenberg W.29 seaplane usually £11.91 now £4.25 > 1/72 Pegasus Albatross W.4 seaplane. Austro-Hungary usually £10.20 now > £4.25 > 1/48 Eduard Hanriot HD2 floatplane usually £11.91 now £6.38 > 1/72 Czechmaster DFW T26 Floh (Flea) usually £10.64 now £6.38 > 1/72 HR Models resin Nieuport 11 usually £11.02 now £6.38 > 1/72 HR Models resin Aviatik Berg D1 usually £11.49 now £6.38 > > I couldn't resist the Gotha. Now I can do a 'dogfight double' with Airfix's > re-release of the Pup in McCuddens markings (McCudden went up in the Pup to > have a go at the Gothas, along with a large number of other Home Defence > planes, to no avail) > > Can anyone comment on how the MPM Hansa Brandenberg W29 compares with the > Pegasus and Eastern Express kits? > > Cheers > James > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:03:49 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jasta 16b and Max Holtzem Questions? Message-ID: <16.15dee838.29314915@aol.com> In a message dated 11/24/01 10:45:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, Limon3@msn.com writes: << Hi Graham, I haven't seen much about Max Holtzem after WWI, but he did get a DVII while in J. 16b. The plane is profiled in the Fokker Anthology #1. HTH Gabe >> He also barnstormed around Argentina after the war in on of the later post-XII Pfalzes. In an old Air Classics (or somesuch),there was a great picture of him and Collishaw together taken sometime in the 1960s. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:41:35 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: RE: Mack Harris: Where are you? Message-ID: <000b01c17520$074d6340$8d3dfad1@ibs4421> He is on the list Gaston, because he contacted me regarding my request for Windsock Aces & Aircraft. My replies to him worked fine, until I got the Datafile he wanted in trade. Arrgh! Warren PS: Hey, if he doesn't want I'll be glad to keep it for myself, it was on my list of ones to get anyway! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:37:37 -0600 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Fokker DrI - performance and camouflage Message-ID: <000c01c1751f$795a94e0$a6a20d41@Solinski.okcnc1.ok.home.com> They > (Wolfgang Schuster and Achim Sven Engels) claim that the streaky camo > consisted of *three* colours - CDL base coat, then streaks of blue grey > (their description of the blue undersurface colour) and then streaks of > olive over the top to give an "impressive three-tone camouflage scheme." I Nigel I'm glad you brought this up. It's the first supporting evidence on something that I thought should happen. That being the undersurface blues should be streaked too. If Fokker is going to the money and weight savings of limiting the paint on the top why wouldn't the same savings apply tothe bottom too? On the old Micro scale decal sheets for the Dr-I there are notes stating that even the cross fields on the bottom of the wings were CDL, not white to save weight and paint. Any other thoughts or examples of this? Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:50:49 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Argus Engine/AGAIN Message-ID: <20011124205049.98156.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Tom and Warren, I'm pretty sure Koster only does 1/48 details. Todd --- Tom Plesha wrote: > Hi Warren and All- > Forgive MY stupidity!!!!!!!! > The Argus are 1/48scale, he may have 1/72 but I only > inquired about 1/48. > I apologize for not stating such. > Later > Tom > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:58:49 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: 1/32 OT Pilot Figure by Fronderie Miniatures Message-ID: <20011124205849.18292.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Big Scalers, The new Squadron catalog lists a 1/32 wht. metal pilot's figure for $12.96. It looks British but I'm not sure. The pilot looks to be holding a fur flying jacket similar to the one that Lanoe Hawker was frequently photographed wearing. It's on page 42, item #FN4601. Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 07:03:01 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Albatros drain holes Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD7EF@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Karen > Likewise in the NASM book on the restoration of 'Stropp'--I > guess I meant other > drawings (Windsock, etc.). But I still wonder if these drains > were common to > all Albatrosen, not just the D.V/Va; as well as other wooden > fuselage types. Lest we go accidentally assuming that there are *two* sets of drawings being discussed here, I should probably point out that both of you are talking about the same book - and even if there WERE a book about the restoration of D.5390/17 published by the AWM, the drawings would be the same as the ones in the NASM book about Stropp That's because the drawings in the NASM book are Bob Waugh's of the D.5390/17 - the AWM Albatros As to other wooden fuselages - I spent some time yesterday poring over Pfalzie books and don't recall any such thing though the method of construction is quite different and they may have had a higher opinion of their waterproofing :-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. 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That sorted the Red Baron...OTOH the models of the SE5a and Hanriot are Okay. Some decent modelling. Regards Fraser ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:04:45 -0500 From: "David Watts" To: Subject: Re: Fokker DrI - performance and camouflage Message-ID: Hi all, Some time ago I shared a photo I received from the Berlin Museum of Dr.I wings being painted at the Fokker Factory. There was a lot of chat at the time about it. I sent the photo to Achim at Fokker Team Schorndorf, (on the web), and he placed it on his home page for everyone to see. I noticed a few months later he moved it off of the home page, but it should still be accessible at his site. Some of the things of interest I pointed out at the time were, the fact that on wings hung from the ceiling you could clearly see that the cross background fields were CDL with clear dope. The field areas appear darker than the surrounding undoped CDL. There are wings on saw horses, (but with center vertical boards), with Dr.I wings resting on their noses being doped. One gentleman in the photo has a single paintbrush, with three cans of paint on the floor. It appears that he is "doubling dipping" into the other colors which would explain the continual blending of colors on the wings. I believe some web posters even had suggestions to the width of the brush being used by the old fellow. Also of note, I believe the flugel numbers can be seen written on the wing hangers. I am recalling this without having the photo in front of me, so I may be off a little, but this is as I recall it. Others on the list will certainly recall this discussion, and will have some input. Best, Dave -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Tom Solinski Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 2:57 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Fokker DrI - performance and camouflage They > (Wolfgang Schuster and Achim Sven Engels) claim that the streaky camo > consisted of *three* colours - CDL base coat, then streaks of blue grey > (their description of the blue undersurface colour) and then streaks of > olive over the top to give an "impressive three-tone camouflage scheme." I Nigel I'm glad you brought this up. It's the first supporting evidence on something that I thought should happen. That being the undersurface blues should be streaked too. If Fokker is going to the money and weight savings of limiting the paint on the top why wouldn't the same savings apply tothe bottom too? On the old Micro scale decal sheets for the Dr-I there are notes stating that even the cross fields on the bottom of the wings were CDL, not white to save weight and paint. Any other thoughts or examples of this? Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 22:25:36 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: RB CD Message-ID: Ah well, maybe that was a little misunderstanding again, I'm sorry. You must know that here in my corner of the world nobody would give you that price for old software, even if the box is still sealed. And off course me idiot forgot to think about the postage that you must add. Instead of selling it - PLAY IT - because it is still the very best WW1 sim on the market. have fun Gaston ;o) > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of > zbob@att.net > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 7:57 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] RB CD > > > Golly, I didn't know that I could filter asking prices > thru Graf before posting. I was trying to find some > poor soul who was anxious to complete his collection of > stuff and needed the RB. The thing is new, in its > sealed box, with a great Wal-Mart sticker on it. Sierra > included the modern A-10 Warthog simulator as well. > If the price is too high, I'm in a free market, and > open to offers. Don't forget I was including a shipping > package and 3.50 worth of postage to get it to the new > owner... And if it doesn't sell, I can toss the disc > into the OALcoaster pile and use the crystal box > creatively...... 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