WWI Digest 3915 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Pfinally Pfinished the Pfalzie /again by "Tom Plesha" 2) Walfisch nitpicks by Rory Goodwin 3) Decals by "Robert Baumgartner" 4) Re: German steel helmet by "ibs4421" 5) D.V fuselage top by "Michael Kendix" 6) WWI helmets by Karen Rychlewski 7) RE: D.V fuselage top by Shane Weier 8) A Sopwith Triplane Question by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 9) Re: A Sopwith Triplane Question by "Steven Perry" 10) Re: WWI helmets by "ibs4421" 11) Re: D.V fuselage top by Karen Rychlewski 12) Re: WWI helmets by Karen Rychlewski 13) PART PE Detail Set for the Gavia Bristol Scout by Todd Hayes 14) Re: WWI helmets by "ibs4421" 15) Re: WWI helmets by Karen Rychlewski 16) Re: Fokker drawings by Sanjeev Hirve 17) RE: D.V fuselage top by "Michael Kendix" 18) Re: D.V fuselage top by "Michael Kendix" 19) Re: D.V fuselage top by Karen Rychlewski 20) RE: PART PE Detail Set for the Gavia Bristol Scout by "Mark Kirkbride" 21) Re: D.V fuselage top by Shane Weier 22) RE: New Windsock by "Nigel Rayner" 23) Re: D.V fuselage top by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 24) Re: D.V fuselage top NOW Fuselage bottom by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:47:08 -0500 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: Pfinally Pfinished the Pfalzie /again Message-ID: <000d01c1739f$3c785d40$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Graham says: I was even able to enter it in our local > IPMS contest on Monday. I was very happy to get first place in the Senior > category. Congrats!!!!!!!!! Later Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:04:39 -0800 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Walfisch nitpicks Message-ID: <3BFD7677.CF6C3A6D@earthlink.net> Overall this is a delightful kit. A few additional things that would've made it a near perfect kit are: separate lower wings/molded-in fuselage wing-roots, frame rather than slab fus. formers, front and rear (and maybe top) openings on 'ocarina' exhaust manifold. I know, I shoud refrain from whining, as previously we were stuck in 1/48 with a choice of one of the ugliest injection kits ever to be represented as such by a manufacturer, as well as one of the nicest vac kits (Sierra Scale?) One my modeling friends said I sounded like an ot Tamiya 'assembler', but I have to take that from him since he's my Bay Area connection. What ac/schemes are covered the profipack version? CIIas w/ enlarged empennage? Fat chance. Do they include the famous fishy scaled plane? No opinions on Roland interior grey or WWI dark green? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 09:45:15 +0800 From: "Robert Baumgartner" To: Subject: Decals Message-ID: <000201c173c0$fc624be0$913d86cb@rob> Dave, Dave > Did you apply the 'future' equivalent wet (i.e. add a drop of polish on the > model just before you add the decal ) ? Doh! ..forgot to try that. I'll give it a go on the OAW Fokkers. Apart from the Microset/sol, I did try the stronger Solvaset and Mr decal softner. (can never have too many decal setting solutions!) > Sorry if teaching Granny to suck eggs. Comments always welcome! Cheers Rob B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:23:39 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: German steel helmet Message-ID: <002b01c173c5$ddc1c620$903dfad1@ibs4421> Gaston and All, A book that I got years ago that has proven to be a great purchase is "The History of the German Steel Helmet, 1916-1945" by Ludwig Baer, (the third of three books written by Baer on the German steel helmet) 447 pages, ISBN#0-912138-31-9, R. James Bender Publishing.. The author includes a really great piece on the helmet's introduction to the troops in the form of a journal entry by Herr Hans Freund of Mainz, a member of the Prince Carl Inf. Regt. #118. Seems the personnel of his division assembled for a demonstration of the new steel helmet by a representative of the manufacturer. He states: "Then a beautifully clean, massive chopping block was carried out by three strong men - pioneers, naturally! Two axes were lying atop the block and in the arms of an army official was a new helmet. He took great pains to hold it very carefully. Naturally, when he laid it down on its rounded side, it went rolling off the chopping block due to well known natural laws. Medical personnel were also in attendance to serve refreshing drinks and bonbons to those onlookers who had been exhausted by running away from the rolling helmet or who had actually been injured by it. After the first act of this tragedy, the helmet once again lay on the chopping block, the salesman standing beside it. Behind the salesman, about ten of the spectators were lined up in military fashion in order to be witnesses of such an auspicious display of new equipment. the heavy axe which was held by the salesman hurtled downward. Then, a crash! -- and a fair amount of disturbance among the spectators,mixed with some rather robust swearing. Those cursing were the ones who had been hit in the head by fragments of the shattered steel helmet. Now, as was normal for the military mentality, further replacement helmets were placed out for continued axe blows. Naturally, it was a point of honor not to endanger the exhibition and thus only softer blows were applied to the helmet!" (pp 67-68) This is a great book which goes into the helmets development in a depth I have not found in any other source. Sorry it did not have direct OT modeling content, so Matt & Allan, I apologize. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gaston Graf" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: German steel helmet > Very very interesting, Hans! Would you please share the sources of that > information with us? I will see to get the book because that information > about the German steel helmet is very useful for my book about the "Bataille > des Frontières". As the Germans invaded Luxemburg and Belgium they still > wore the "Pickelhaube" but in most cases removed the tip. Their equippment > and logistics was superior to the French and what I plan for my book is a > most detailed description of the equippment and uniforms of both sides. I > talked already with the people of that German re-enactment group who are > willing to assist me. I want to include color photos of models wearing > German and French uniforms. It would be very interesting to write a bit > about the developement of the German and French equippment in the first > phase of the war. > After all the information that I have gathered until this day, and after > what I still have to research, that book will become a very big project. I > thought already about splitting it up into several volumes covering the > Invasion, the battle and maybe one covering only the weapons used, as well > as the equipment. > > all the best > > Gaston Graf > (ggraf@vo.lu) > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: > http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Hans > > Trauner > > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 6:40 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WWI] Re: German steel helmet > > > > > > No, Sir. Martin ! > > > > Medizinalrat Prof. Dr. August Bier, General Surgeon of the Navy (!) and > > consultant Surgeon of the XVIII Armycorps 'only' reported to the Prussian > > War Departement the need of a steel helmet. He stated that most of head > > injuries were caused by very small metal fragments. The largest fragment > > found was smaller than a bean, usually smaller than a cherrie stone. He > > wrote his report on Aug. 13th 1915. But already in July 1915 the > > first tests > > were ordered by the deputy Secretary of War and on Aug. 14th 1915 > > the order > > to develop a helmet was made to the firm C.E. Juncker in Berlin. > > > > But the 'real' german helmet was developed by Prof. Friedrich Schwert, > > coming from the Technical University Hannover. The first helmets > > were issued > > at the end of the year 1915, mainly to Sturmtruppen at Verdun, > > led by Hptm. > > Rohr. But the first main order was not placed before April 1916 and at the > > end of July over 250.000 pieces were delivered. > > > > Hans > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Martin Héctor AFFLITTO ECHAGüE" > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 1:27 PM > > Subject: [WWI] > > > > > > > Karen > > > > > > In order to contribute to knowledge, the french helmet was > > desinged by an > > > artist. The german one by a neurosurgeon.(1916)!!! > > > > > > Martín > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 04:19:37 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: D.V fuselage top Message-ID: Fellow WWI modellers: I am building the Eduard Albatros D.V. Is there no top decking on the fuselage under the guns? You can see right in through the gun emplacement and see into the cockpit. Is there a cover over the part of the fuselage where the guns sit? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:23:21 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: WWI helmets Message-ID: <3BFDCF39.B8FCC750@earthlink.net> Thanks, guys. As usual, the listees come through with copious amounts of information and stories about steel helmets. Warren wrote: > >snipped tale of German helmet's Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval test< > > Sorry it did not have direct OT > modeling content, so Matt & Allan, I apologize. Matt & Allan, is an apology necessary? Aren't we the wwi-models list, and isn't that all-inclusive of any variety of model? Obviously we focus on airplanes, but I have been under the impression that *any* type of WWI-related modeling question or topic is fair game. I'm not being smart***, this is a serious question Dame Karen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 14:30:32 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: D.V fuselage top Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD7E8@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael, > I am building the Eduard Albatros D.V. Is there no top > decking on the > fuselage under the guns? You can see right in through the > gun emplacement > and see into the cockpit. Is there a cover over the part of > the fuselage where the guns sit? FWIW I don't recall there being a panel on the machine at AWM, *but* I don't have my pics at work to check, it may well have been there. Eduard themselves supply a plate for the 1:48 kit, which was a minor pita to fit. Afterwards, it, the fuel tanks, cartridge chutes and wiring I put in behind the engine were entirely invisible. And that's on a 1:48 model with 50% more room to peek. HTH Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:30:10 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: A Sopwith Triplane Question Message-ID: G'day All; I've got just one query about the tailplane of the Sopwith Triplane - There were two types - early ones were fitted with a Sopwith Pup style tail whilst the later ones had a different shape. My question was when did the change over start to occur? Was it before April 1917? The Eduard Triplane comes with the early tailplane and I was wondering if N5493 had the early or late tail, cos if its the late tailplane, I'll have to scratchbuild a new one. The only photo of N5493 seems to indicate a late tail but I'd like the assistance of the wisdom of the List in deciding whether I am right or not. TIA All the Best Neil E (Still in Lurk until the 13/12/01 - I will respond to posts on this tonight when the digests arrive) : ) _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:04:13 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: A Sopwith Triplane Question Message-ID: <002a01c173dc$4b4cac80$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> Neil: The order to go to the smaller tailplane came in February 1917. Suuadrons in France were slow to make the changes and there is a record of one early tailplane Tripe as late as June 1917. This from Profile Publication #73 HTH sp> I've got just one query about the tailplane of the Sopwith Triplane - There > were two types - early ones were fitted with a Sopwith Pup style tail > whilst the later ones had a different shape. My question was when did the > change over start to occur? Was it before April 1917? The Eduard Triplane > comes with the early tailplane and I was wondering if N5493 had the early > or late tail, cos if its the late tailplane, I'll have to scratchbuild a > new one. The only photo of N5493 seems to indicate a late tail but I'd like > the assistance of the wisdom of the List in deciding whether I am right or > not. > > TIA > > All the Best > Neil E > (Still in Lurk until the 13/12/01 - I will respond to posts on this tonight > when the digests arrive) : ) > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ _____ > NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. > > Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. > > Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. > > If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au > ____________________________________________________________________________ _____ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:05:37 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: WWI helmets Message-ID: <002701c173dc$7dfcbf80$7a3dfad1@ibs4421> Well, I did not think my post had direct bearing on modeling, unless one wants to build a model of an M16 Stahlhelm. By hanging out at militaria shows with my living history/collecting friends I have managed to pick up enought knowledge to make myself a danger to self and other though. 8^) Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Rychlewski" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: [WWI] WWI helmets > Thanks, guys. As usual, the listees come through with copious amounts of > information and stories about steel helmets. > > Warren wrote: > > > >snipped tale of German helmet's Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval test< > > > > Sorry it did not have direct OT > > modeling content, so Matt & Allan, I apologize. > > Matt & Allan, is an apology necessary? Aren't we the wwi-models list, and isn't > that all-inclusive of any variety of model? Obviously we focus on airplanes, > but I have been under the impression that *any* type of WWI-related modeling > question or topic is fair game. I'm not being smart***, this is a serious > question > > Dame Karen > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:07:03 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: D.V fuselage top Message-ID: <3BFDD977.FC79B2A7@earthlink.net> Michael Kendix wrote: > Fellow WWI modellers: > > I am building the Eduard Albatros D.V. Is there no top decking on the > fuselage under the guns? You can see right in through the gun emplacement > and see into the cockpit. Is there a cover over the part of the fuselage > where the guns sit? Hey, Michael, take a walk on your lunch hour and take a look at "Stropp" in NASM. Or is that one of them that you need to levitate to see the cockpit area? A quick look through the Datafile seems to reveal that the answer to your questions is "some had a cover, some didn't". Depending on which one you're building, it's either dig into the specific reference or Dicta Ira. Dame Karen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:22:11 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: WWI helmets Message-ID: <3BFDDD04.D9358FBB@earthlink.net> Well, Warren, for starters, take a look at    http://www.internetmodeler.com/2001/may/index.html   and the work of Edward Swaim in the list galleries. That's what I love about this list, the diversity of direction and the odd tidbits that each listee has tucked away in their memory cells--as well as the generosity in sharing these tidbits with the rest of us.

I have a WWI helmet which I know nothing about and don't even remember acquiring. Would you be interested in a photo or two to help me identify it?

Karen
 
 

Warren wrote:

Well, I did not think my post had direct bearing on modeling, unless one
wants to build a model of an M16 Stahlhelm.  By hanging out at militaria
shows with my living history/collecting friends I have managed to pick up
enought knowledge to make myself a danger to self and other though.  8^)
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:30:44 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: PART PE Detail Set for the Gavia Bristol Scout Message-ID: <20011123053044.17429.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Hi List, I saw a PE detail set (48095) by PART for the Bristol in the Roll Models online catalog. Has anyone seen or used it yet? $12.50 ea. Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:35:07 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: WWI helmets Message-ID: <004501c173e0$9cb71fc0$7a3dfad1@ibs4421> Karen, Sure! Send away! I've got enough geeky WWI collector friends that surely one of them will know what it is. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Rychlewski" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 11:27 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: WWI helmets > > > Well, Warren, for starters, take a look at    http://www.interne tmodeler.com/2001/may/index.html   > and the work of Edward > Swaim in the list galleries. That's what I love about this list, the > diversity of direction and the odd tidbits that each listee has tucked > away in their memory cells--as well as the generosity in sharing these > tidbits with the rest of us. >

I have a WWI helmet which I know nothing about and don't even remember > acquiring. Would you be interested in a photo or two to help me identify > it? >

Karen >
  >
  >

Warren wrote: >

Well, I did not think my post had direct bearing > on modeling, unless one >
wants to build a model of an M16 Stahlhelm.  By hanging out at > militaria >
shows with my living history/collecting friends I have managed to pick > up >
enought knowledge to make myself a danger to self and other though.  > 8^)
> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:30:10 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: WWI helmets Message-ID: <3BFDDEE2.F01A62E1@earthlink.net> Karen Rychlewski accidentally wrote in the wrong format and apologizes; what she meant to say was: Well, Warren, for starters, take a look at http://www.internetmodeler.com/2001/may/index.html and the work of Edward Swaim in the list galleries. That's what I love about this list, the diversity of direction and the odd tidbits that each listee has tucked away in their memory cells--as well as the generosity in sharing these tidbits with the rest of us. I have a WWI helmet which I know nothing about and don't even remember acquiring. Would you be interested in a photo or two to help me identify it? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:35:02 -0500 From: Sanjeev Hirve To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Fokker drawings Message-ID: <5F935CCBFB73D511BA2000B0D079E11E13CA42@cyberexch01.internal.evincible.com> Steven, The Windscok fokker anthology part-1 GA drawing in 1:48 measures in scale to 6972 mm. This would be 96.8 mm in 1:72 In Scale Aircraft drawings from Model Airplane News, the stated size is 23' 3-1/2", which is 7099 mm, or 98.6 mm in 1:72 Regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 05:39:59 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: D.V fuselage top Message-ID: Shane: Thanks. Now I look carefully ahead of where I am in construction and there's a photoetch piece number P31 that is a cover piece between the guns but of course, the non-Profipak has zip. Michael >From: Shane Weier >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] RE: D.V fuselage top >Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:31:56 -0500 (EST) > >Michael, > > > I am building the Eduard Albatros D.V. Is there no top > > decking on the > > fuselage under the guns? You can see right in through the > > gun emplacement > > and see into the cockpit. Is there a cover over the part of > > the fuselage where the guns sit? > > >FWIW I don't recall there being a panel on the machine at AWM, *but* I >don't >have my pics at work to check, it may well have been there. > >Eduard themselves supply a plate for the 1:48 kit, which was a minor pita >to >fit. > >Afterwards, it, the fuel tanks, cartridge chutes and wiring I put in behind >the engine were entirely invisible. And that's on a 1:48 model with 50% >more >room to peek. HTH > > > >Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >********************************************************************** >The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is >intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or >copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to >forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the >MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > >e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au >phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 >********************************************************************** > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 05:44:53 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: D.V fuselage top Message-ID: Karen: I've taken a bunch of pictures of Stropp and onlytheunderside can be seen. I'd have to get up to the ceiling to see inside. perhaps someday, someone in Congress will legislatively mandate that we do a study on the WWI exhibits in the NASM, but until then, I'm SOL. Michael >From: Karen Rychlewski >Hey, Michael, take a walk on your lunch hour and take a look >at "Stropp" >in NASM. >Or is that one of them that you need to levitate to see the cockpit >area? >A quick look through the Datafile seems to reveal that the answer to your >questions is "some had a cover, some didn't". Depending on which one you're >building, it's either dig into the specific reference or Dicta Ira. > >Dame Karen > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:45:42 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: D.V fuselage top Message-ID: <3BFDE286.CF26A734@earthlink.net> Michael Kendix wrote: > I've taken a bunch of pictures of Stropp and onlytheunderside can be seen. > I'd have to get up to the ceiling to see inside. perhaps someday, someone > in Congress will legislatively mandate that we do a study on the WWI > exhibits in the NASM, but until then, I'm SOL. Along those lines, do you happen to know the purpose of those rivet-like thingies that go down the middle of the underside? Drain holes? Navels? Karen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:24:28 -0800 From: "Mark Kirkbride" To: Subject: RE: PART PE Detail Set for the Gavia Bristol Scout Message-ID: I have been working with the Gavia Bristol and Part PE set. The set is quite extensive and fills in the cockpit particularly well. I would send you a scan but, as luck would have it it was packed today (I am moving from California to Washington). If you can wait a week you can have the scan. It is a single fret and along with cockpit details includes control horns etc. So far the fit has been excellent. Mark -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Todd Hayes Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 9:32 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] PART PE Detail Set for the Gavia Bristol Scout Hi List, I saw a PE detail set (48095) by PART for the Bristol in the Roll Models online catalog. Has anyone seen or used it yet? $12.50 ea. Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:33:09 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: D.V fuselage top Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD7EA@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Karen asks: > Along those lines, do you happen to know the purpose of those > rivet-like > thingies that go down the middle of the underside? Drain > holes? Navels? Nails? Screws? Damn. Again, I don't have any of my many pics with me. OTOH, it's *nearly* time to go home and I'll have a look. I have quite a few closeups of an Albatross' underside and maybe one will show them clearly Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 08:02:02 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: New Windsock Message-ID: <000101c173f5$22911600$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Brian asked: >What is the Vol, No, and date on this newest Windsock? It's Vol 17, no 6 (Nov/Dec 2001). Well worth having. Cheers, Nigel R PS sorry for the late reply, been travelling again ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 08:20:46 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: D.V fuselage top Message-ID: Holes for laces to join the covering? n -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:29:00 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: D.V fuselage top NOW Fuselage bottom Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD7EC@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Karen asked > > Along those lines, do you happen to know the purpose of those > > rivet-like > > thingies that go down the middle of the underside? Drain > > holes? Navels? > > Damn. Again, I don't have any of my many pics with me. OTOH, > it's *nearly* > time to go home and I'll have a look. I have quite a few > closeups of an > Albatross' underside and maybe one will show them clearly Clearly visible on several photos of the AWM machine underside. They're metal eyelets, inner diameter something like 10mm. There's one immediately in front of each row of crosswise nails which mark the position of bulkheads. With the fuselage in normal landed position any water/oil/fuel would run back to these points and build up if they weren't there. My pics from in front only show back to one bulkhead/former behind the cockpit, the ones from the rear have the centreline obscured by the skid fairing, so I don't know if they go all the way back However - there also seems to be one (or something that looks just the same) in the exact centre of the undersides of the wing root extensions. By this I mean centred in the flat bit fore and aft, and centred between where the flat bit meets the fuselage curve and where the fabric starts. FWIW. I'm happy that these are original. D.5390/17 has all her original plywood and nails since she'd better survived the intervening years than poor old Stropp had prior to the NASM's miracle restoration Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3915 **********************