WWI Digest 3914 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) StarMedia e-mail down by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 2) New portraits of German WW1 pilots! by "Gaston Graf" 3) RE: StarMedia e-mail down by "Gaston Graf" 4) off-topic request - London Bus by "Michael Kendix" 5) RE: re Model woods by Crawford Neil 6) The mysterious Bebe, was, Nieuport 11 fuselage by "StefenK" 7) Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT by ERIC HIGHT 8) RE: The mysterious Bebe, was, Nieuport 11 fuselage by "Diego Fernetti" 9) A day off to model by John Huggins 10) RE: WWI helmets by "ibs4421" 11) Decals by "Robert Baumgartner" 12) Re: British Airship colours by "Tom Solinski" 13) Re: Decals by David Fleming 14) Re: German steel helmet by "Hans Trauner" 15) Re: German steel helmet by =?iso-8859-1?B?TWFydO1uIEjpY3RvciBBRkZMSVRUTyBFQ0hBR/xF?= 16) Re: Fokker drawings by Jan Vihonen 17) Re: Painting small pieces by "jernst" 18) Re: German steel helmet by "Gaston Graf" 19) Pfinally Pfinished the Pfalzie by "Graham Hunter" 20) Re: Pfinally Pfinished the Pfalzie by KarrArt@aol.com 21) ²»¿É´í¹ýµÄÁ¼»ú by webmaster178@wx88.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:06:55 -0200 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: StarMedia e-mail down Message-ID: Hi, List! I don't know if this message will come in MIME, sorry in advance. My StarMedia e-mail is having troubles. If anywone wants to contact me, please send mail to wwi_modeler@hotmail.com Those wanting to enter our Secret Santa can send messages to this address too, and I promise to contact the list as soon as we have the situation back to normal. Those who have already e-mailed me to include their names don't have reason to worry, I've already included them in my list. All the best from Brazil Marcio wwi_modeler@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Chegou o novo MSN Explorer. Instale já. É gratuito! http://explorer.msn.com.br ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:12:41 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: New portraits of German WW1 pilots! Message-ID: Friends, I received new fodder for Jasta Boelcke today. A set of 4 little magazines arrived. The series was called "Flieger des 1. Weltkrieges", edited in 1941, featuring portraits of the following German pilots: No.1: Oswald Boelcke, Max Immelmann, Manfred von Richthofen, Hermann Göring, Ernst Udet. No.2: Ernst von Hoeppner, Hermann Thomsen (who played a major role in the developement of the German air forces in WW1) Karl Almenroeder Oliver Freiherr von Beaulieu-Marconnay Paul Bäumer Otto Bernert Hans Berr Rudolf Berthold Walter Blume Erwin Böhme Oskar Freiherr von Boenigk Carl Bolle Heinrich Bongartz No.3: Ernst Brandenburg Julius Buckler Hans-Joachim Buddecke Franz Büchner Walter von Bülow-Bothkamp Friedrich Christiansen Carl Degelow Albert Dossenbach Eduard Ritter von Dostler Hermann Fricke Heinrich Gontermann Robert Ritter von Greim Wilhelm Griebsch Jürgen von Grone Walter Höhndorf No.4: Erich Homburg Hans-Georg Horn Carl Jacobs Alfred Keller Hans Kirschstein Otto Kissenberth Hans Klein Rudolf Kleine Hermann Köhl Otto Könneke Heinrich Kroll Arthur Laumann Gustav Leffers Leo Leonhardy Erich Loewenhardt Bruno Loerzer The author of the magazine had planned to have the reader collecting all issues that should have been bound as a book. For the time after the war (WWII) he wanted to publish a second book about the German Aces of WWII. There was certainly more magazines than only the 4 that I own now. After the number of pilots mentionned in the first issue, I estimate there was maybe 8 issues to complete the series. The most interesting thing on these magazines are the pencil drawn portraits of each of the pilots. They was made by various artists so some are of a brilliant quality while others are not so good. If anybody is interested in a particular pilot, maybe because he/she is building a model of his aircraft, I would be happy to provide a scan of the portrait which would add nicely if printed and displayed with the model. The pages of the pilots covered at my website will receive such portrait added as soon as possible. You may then see if you like them or not. I must say that the first issue starts with a lie. The magazines being published under the Nazi regime, the author talks about the French being the ethernal enemy of the Germans. Always distrustful, scary and envious to the diligent and intelligent Germans, the French declared war on the German nation to destroy them with the help of their allies... Well, today we fortunately know the truth. But nevertheless, the magazines are interesting because they tell about the life of the pilots. Yeserday I found a complete listing of all victories of Jasta Boelcke, scored by its pilots in the time from September 1916 - November 1918. The total score was 336 and I am currently compiling a table that lists each of the pilots with his kills for my website. It should be done in a few days. The listing was published in the book "Jagdflieger im Feuer" by Kurt Jentsch, 1937. I bought it already months ago but haven't read it yet. I came accross the listing of the victories as I started to compile a bibliography to list my sources of research to add to Jasta Boelcke. All that I can say for the moment is that it will be a damn long list once completed... happy modeling to ya all who have the time for it ;o) Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:14:10 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: StarMedia e-mail down Message-ID: No the message was ok in txt format. MIME is not the problem - HTML is! Unfortunately Outlook and Outlook Express have HTML switched on by default. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > Hi, List! > > I don't know if this message will come in MIME, sorry in advance. > > My StarMedia e-mail is having troubles. If anywone wants to contact me, > please send mail to wwi_modeler@hotmail.com > > Those wanting to enter our Secret Santa can send messages to this address > too, and I promise to contact the list as soon as we have the > situation back > to normal. Those who have already e-mailed me to include their > names don't > have reason to worry, I've already included them in my list. > > All the best from Brazil > > Marcio > wwi_modeler@hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chegou o novo MSN Explorer. Instale já. É gratuito! > http://explorer.msn.com.br > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:29:53 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: off-topic request - London Bus Message-ID: Folks: Apologies for the off-topic request. I am interested in purchasing a London Bus Routemaster kit produced by Keil Kraft. The vendor is Holland Plastic Model Kits in the Netherlands. Please can anyone tell me OFF LIST whether: (a) The kit is any good? (b) The vendor is reliable? The alternative is a delightful looking resin kit from the "Little Bus Company" but the cost of the kit alone is stg30, then there's decals etc, which add another stg15. Too much. Many thanks. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:03:33 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: re Model woods Message-ID: I buy model-ship planking at out local hobby shop. They don't have a very good stock of plastic, but lots of R/C and boatbuilding stuff, this is always worth looking at some of it can be useful. I also have some wood from a marquetry set that I somehow got. /Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Sanjeev Hirve [mailto:shirve@evincible.com] > Sent: den 21 november 2001 18:30 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] re Model woods > > > Lance, Neil, > Where can I buy veneer ? Is veneer ply ? What is the > thinnest veneer I > can find? I currently use a 3-ply sheet of 1/64 inch > thickness, and would > like something thinner. > regards > SSH > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:40:52 -0500 From: "StefenK" To: "WWI Modeling List" Subject: The mysterious Bebe, was, Nieuport 11 fuselage Message-ID: <3BF98B120006099F@mail.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:43:13 -0600, Lance wrote: I have been under the impression that Nieuport used a strip-wood version of ply to create firm surfaces. [snip] I have seen numerous pictures of this in practice for N.17s and later marks. Is there a reason to suppose that earlier Nieuports were different? In all events, SOMETHING solid would be needed to hold the side-mounted breather pipes. and Diego added I have a doubt here. The structure up front the girder of the Nieuport 11 fuselage has a metal frame from wich the engine hangs. At its sides, there are vertical members wich are wider than the rest, sort of a plank with a round metal fixture at the vortex of the shape of these parts ...What are there metal parts? Engine supports? the breather pipes? (I guess that they're too far ahead to be those) followed by Alberto's AFAIK, the Nieuport 11 had plywood panels which covered: - the fuselage sides, from the engine bulkhead to roughly mid cockpit opening; - the fuselage upper decking, from the engine bulkhead to the tail; - the fuselage bottom, from the engine bulkhead to roughly the cockpit opening. 1. Yes, as evidenced by the Brussels Ni 23, the *fairings* on Ni 17's and later models used the wood-strip method of fabrication for ease of forming (in analogy with the Pfalz/Roland method for semi-monocoque fuselages). On the slab-sided earlier Nieuports, this would not be required. 2. As noted by Diego, at least the 11s, 16s, and 17s have a forward member ("plank") shaped roughly as shown below. In analogy to the ply gusset at the rear, the forward member provides additional strengthening where the airframe stresses are greatest. At the apex is a metal flange. The flange takes a straight horizontal cross-bar, which in additional to tying the fuselage sides together, acts as the ammon box or fuel tank support (I think this varies with the model). __ | \ | \ | / |__/ 3. (a) There appears to be some variability (not surprising) in the area(s) where ply may have been applied. On the sides various photos show a 'panel' line sometimes in front of the cockpit, sometimes aft of the cockpit. (b) I agree with Alberto that there is a minimal floor as such, the heel boards being raised up a few inches on a framework that is tied across the lower longerons. The floor extends to the front of the cockpit opening, which is defined by *tubular* metal (not wood) vertical and upper (curved) horizontal members. Regards & Happy Holiday to all, Stefen ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:09:52 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20011122080754.020f5150@pop.amug.org> thanks all, i appreciate all the help!! and the dr.i will be rereleased next month(dec.) thanks again. eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:12:25 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: The mysterious Bebe, was, Nieuport 11 fuselage Message-ID: <005101c17370$7a0a20a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Stef! > 1. Yes, as evidenced by the Brussels Ni 23, the *fairings* on Ni 17's and > later models used the wood-strip method of fabrication for ease of forming > (in analogy with the Pfalz/Roland method for semi-monocoque fuselages). On > the slab-sided earlier Nieuports, this would not be required. I wish I had the nieuport fighters special#1 here... there's a picture of a slab sided nieuport with flat composite "cheeks" in one of the pictures of the detail section.... does anyone has this book at hand? > 2. At the apex is a metal flange. The flange > takes a straight horizontal cross-bar, which in additional to tying the > fuselage sides together, acts as the ammon box or fuel tank support (I > think this varies with the model). > > > __ > | \ > | \ > | / > |__/ Excellent! That's what I meant to say. So it has a cross bar inside that? Is there any picture showing this on the net? TIA! In the Nieuport 28 the support for these boxes are metal structure members transversal to the main axis but fixed to the main longerons. Near the nose of the fuselage structure there are two metal frames, probably replacing the wide forward member+flange > 3. (b) I agree with Alberto that there is a minimal floor as such, > the heel boards being raised up a few inches on a framework that is tied > across the lower longerons. Here you have such a fixture: http://ww1stuff.freeservers.com/cgi-bin/i/images/nieuport/nieupedals.jpg >The floor extends to the front of the cockpit > opening, which is defined by *tubular* metal (not wood) vertical and upper > (curved) horizontal members. the wooden structure aft the cockpit opening is shown here: http://ww1stuff.freeservers.com/cgi-bin/i/images/nieuport/fus2.jpg Regards D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:09:45 -0600 From: John Huggins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: A day off to model Message-ID: Greetings from Texas. It has finally happened. I have a full day off to work on models. Before I jump into the Roland and Gotha, I would like to wish all of you who celebrate Thanksgiving Day the very best, and to those of you who are having another Thursday, all the best to you as well. Being as Hell Week starts tomorrow and time off in the retail world is pretty much nonexistent, I hope you all have a happy Christmas and a great new year. May we all see those wonderful new OT kits we want and be able to finish all the kits we start with the intended results we want. Happy Holiday JP -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:23:07 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: RE: WWI helmets Message-ID: <010f01c17371$f90c0de0$923dfad1@ibs4421> Folks, Diego is right regarding the use of Brit helmets by US troops. All US troops were initially issued Brit Mk I (IIRC) helmets on arrival, until US production of the M1917 came on line. The US M1917's shell was a copy of the MK I, but as has been pointed out had a different liner/suspension system inside. Likewise, 80% of AEF troops carried P17 Enfiled rifles during the war, Alvin York used one during the action in which he won the Medal of Honor and not an '03 Springfield. The P17 was just the P14 which was contracted for by Gr. Br. and Canada, IIRC, but chambered for .30-06. Widespread use of the Springfield rifle did not occur until the last few months (Fall?) of 1918. On another aside, only one US division was issued Browning Automatic Rifles. Warren Former WWI Collector ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 4:00 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: WWI helmets > Hi Karen! > Not identical, but I may say that in some cases they were even provided by > the british. > The whole idea of a protective steel helmet was fairly new for these modern > XXth century armies, and they resurrected some old desings of medieval > helmets to diminish the high number of head casualties that were experienced > in the war's beggining. > The steel "hat", or "porridge bowl" was introduced in the british army in > replacement of the usual flat topped caps worn by soldiers in 1914, and was > done by several subcontractors who made it with slight variations in shape > and liner. Some british officers even purchased their own steel helmets from > military taylors, with carefully shaped cloth covers and badges... > IIRC the first american contingent to arrive to war zone were provided with > "porridge bowls" in replacement for their "montana" hats from the british > and with adrian helmets by the french (black troops, mostly) I guess that > not too much later an "american" design was provided, since the Marines in > France had a different colour of helmet, darker than the rest of the army. > The american "porridge bowl" was called officially "Gilley Helmet" by the > 30s but I can't say if it's exactly the same shell shape. It had a webbing > strap instead of the leather strap as in WW1. > HTH > D. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Karen Rychlewski > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 2:15 AM > Subject: [WWI] WWI helmets > > > > I've just been bouncing around the info on "The Lost Battalion" on the > > A&E site and got to wondering. Does anyone know offhand if the American > > and British infantry helmets were identical? > > > > Curious minds and all... > > > > Karen > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:26:02 +0800 From: "Robert Baumgartner" To: Subject: Decals Message-ID: <001801c17372$61534e40$c16c32d2@rob> D asked > Maybe snipping most of the carrier film around the decal figure and using > liberal amounts of decal softener once it is applied???????? Tried the Microscale decal stuff but to no avail and the serial numbers were too small for my cutting skills! Michael adds > Did you use Future underneath it or some facimile thereof? Yup, tried some our our Aussie equivalent on scrap plastic, but still the silver speckles visited. I'll see what happens to the decals in the OAW Fokkers I'll attempt in the next few weeks. > BTW, an excellent model - the weathering job was outstanding. Thanks mate Cheers Rob B ----------original message------------------ > > Has anyone else had problems with the silvering of decals that have a matt > > carrier film? > > Naturally they are applied on a gloss surface, but this would be nulified > > if the carrier film was also matt on the underside of the decal. > > Cheers > > > > Rob B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:35:51 -0600 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: British Airship colours Message-ID: <005201c17373$bf8ce600$a6a20d41@Solinski.okcnc1.ok.home.com> Bob May I suggest "Airships of the First World War" by Treadwell and Wood. ( I can loan you my copy) It has 56 pages of all aspects of British LTA. In some of the earliest pictures the bags appear dark, something other than silver. Please also remember that natural rubber is off white, not black or brown. So CDL shades would be acceptable too. HTH Tom S the list's biggest helium head ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Pearson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 6:45 AM Subject: [WWI] British Airship colours > Hi all, > > I'm starting to get the urge to profile some SS, C, C*, SSZ and NS airships. > Anyone have any idea on the colour of the envelopes? They were usually > rubberized fabric, and a checkerboard pattern is also evident in the fabric > panels. Should be fun to illustrate. > > Bob > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:34:25 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Decals Message-ID: <3BFD3721.D1BD9138@dial.pipex.com> Robert Baumgartner wrote: > > Michael adds > > > Did you use Future underneath it or some facimile thereof? > > Yup, tried some our our Aussie equivalent on scrap plastic, but still the > silver > speckles visited. > I'll see what happens to the decals in the OAW Fokkers I'll attempt in the > next few weeks. Robert, Did you apply the 'future' equivalent wet (i.e. add a drop of polish on the model just before you add the decal ) ? Sorry if teaching Granny to suck eggs. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:40:23 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: German steel helmet Message-ID: <003f01c1737c$c372bca0$f5ab72d4@FRITZweb> No, Sir. Martin ! Medizinalrat Prof. Dr. August Bier, General Surgeon of the Navy (!) and consultant Surgeon of the XVIII Armycorps 'only' reported to the Prussian War Departement the need of a steel helmet. He stated that most of head injuries were caused by very small metal fragments. The largest fragment found was smaller than a bean, usually smaller than a cherrie stone. He wrote his report on Aug. 13th 1915. But already in July 1915 the first tests were ordered by the deputy Secretary of War and on Aug. 14th 1915 the order to develop a helmet was made to the firm C.E. Juncker in Berlin. But the 'real' german helmet was developed by Prof. Friedrich Schwert, coming from the Technical University Hannover. The first helmets were issued at the end of the year 1915, mainly to Sturmtruppen at Verdun, led by Hptm. Rohr. But the first main order was not placed before April 1916 and at the end of July over 250.000 pieces were delivered. Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Héctor AFFLITTO ECHAGüE" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: [WWI] > Karen > > In order to contribute to knowledge, the french helmet was desinged by an > artist. The german one by a neurosurgeon.(1916)!!! > > Martín ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 02:59:14 -0300 From: =?iso-8859-1?B?TWFydO1uIEjpY3RvciBBRkZMSVRUTyBFQ0hBR/xF?= To: Subject: Re: German steel helmet Message-ID: <008a01c173e3$fc830560$ce14e818@fibertel.com.ar> Thank Hans Important the your exact contribution thank you :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Hans Trauner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 2:39 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: German steel helmet > No, Sir. Martin ! > > Medizinalrat Prof. Dr. August Bier, General Surgeon of the Navy (!) and > consultant Surgeon of the XVIII Armycorps 'only' reported to the Prussian > War Departement the need of a steel helmet. He stated that most of head > injuries were caused by very small metal fragments. The largest fragment > found was smaller than a bean, usually smaller than a cherrie stone. He > wrote his report on Aug. 13th 1915. But already in July 1915 the first tests > were ordered by the deputy Secretary of War and on Aug. 14th 1915 the order > to develop a helmet was made to the firm C.E. Juncker in Berlin. > > But the 'real' german helmet was developed by Prof. Friedrich Schwert, > coming from the Technical University Hannover. The first helmets were issued > at the end of the year 1915, mainly to Sturmtruppen at Verdun, led by Hptm. > Rohr. But the first main order was not placed before April 1916 and at the > end of July over 250.000 pieces were delivered. > > Hans > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Héctor AFFLITTO ECHAGüE" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 1:27 PM > Subject: [WWI] > > > > Karen > > > > In order to contribute to knowledge, the french helmet was desinged by an > > artist. The german one by a neurosurgeon.(1916)!!! > > > > Martín > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:41:52 +0200 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fokker drawings Message-ID: <3BFD46F0.8D1C0BD0@helsinki.fi> Steven, I have a German period drawing on my HD downloaded from Mike Fletchers page (IIRC) that states the span of the Fokker D.VII lower wing to be 7000 mm. In 1/72 that would make 9.72 cm. Whereas the L'Aerophile report published in the Anthology Part 2 says the span of the lower wing was 7m.01. One cm longer! Not that that would make any difference in 1/72. ;-) HTH. Jan > I'm doing a double build of Early & Late Roden D.VIIs. I do not have the > updated Fokker anthology, but I do have the original DF#9. > > The Roden wings are a tad short in span compared to the drawings. The > drawings measure 3 13/16" (9.8 cm) on the bottom wing. Can someone with the > newer Anthology measure the bottom wing on the 1/72 drawing and LMK if it > differs from the above measurements. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:43:30 -0500 From: "jernst" To: Subject: Re: Painting small pieces Message-ID: <002301c17385$9679e4e0$e55279a5@default> Hi all, and Happy Thanksgiving, I'm getting ready to do some painting on my 1/48 Nieuport (testor's) and realized that I may have a problem painting small pieces while trying to hold them at the same time. Obviously, tweezers will help, but should I anticipate painting these pieces in stages also? TIA john ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:59:15 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Re: German steel helmet Message-ID: Very very interesting, Hans! Would you please share the sources of that information with us? I will see to get the book because that information about the German steel helmet is very useful for my book about the "Bataille des Frontières". As the Germans invaded Luxemburg and Belgium they still wore the "Pickelhaube" but in most cases removed the tip. Their equippment and logistics was superior to the French and what I plan for my book is a most detailed description of the equippment and uniforms of both sides. I talked already with the people of that German re-enactment group who are willing to assist me. I want to include color photos of models wearing German and French uniforms. It would be very interesting to write a bit about the developement of the German and French equippment in the first phase of the war. After all the information that I have gathered until this day, and after what I still have to research, that book will become a very big project. I thought already about splitting it up into several volumes covering the Invasion, the battle and maybe one covering only the weapons used, as well as the equipment. all the best Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Hans > Trauner > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 6:40 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: German steel helmet > > > No, Sir. Martin ! > > Medizinalrat Prof. Dr. August Bier, General Surgeon of the Navy (!) and > consultant Surgeon of the XVIII Armycorps 'only' reported to the Prussian > War Departement the need of a steel helmet. He stated that most of head > injuries were caused by very small metal fragments. The largest fragment > found was smaller than a bean, usually smaller than a cherrie stone. He > wrote his report on Aug. 13th 1915. But already in July 1915 the > first tests > were ordered by the deputy Secretary of War and on Aug. 14th 1915 > the order > to develop a helmet was made to the firm C.E. Juncker in Berlin. > > But the 'real' german helmet was developed by Prof. Friedrich Schwert, > coming from the Technical University Hannover. The first helmets > were issued > at the end of the year 1915, mainly to Sturmtruppen at Verdun, > led by Hptm. > Rohr. But the first main order was not placed before April 1916 and at the > end of July over 250.000 pieces were delivered. > > Hans > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Héctor AFFLITTO ECHAGüE" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 1:27 PM > Subject: [WWI] > > > > Karen > > > > In order to contribute to knowledge, the french helmet was > desinged by an > > artist. The german one by a neurosurgeon.(1916)!!! > > > > Martín > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:03:41 -0600 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: Pfinally Pfinished the Pfalzie Message-ID: <000b01c17390$c9340900$fa0101c0@grahamh> Well I finally finished the Eduard Pfalz D.IIIa I have been working on for about 10 months on the weekend. I was even able to enter it in our local IPMS contest on Monday. I was very happy to get first place in the Senior category. I will send pics and a write-up to Matt or Alan next week. I am getting pictures take this week end at Tom Morgan's. He bought himself a new digital camera that we want to try. Cheers, Graham ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:04:47 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Pfinally Pfinished the Pfalzie Message-ID: In a message dated 11/22/01 12:03:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, mbpw0220@mts.net writes: << I was even able to enter it in our local IPMS contest on Monday. I was very happy to get first place in the Senior category. >> Allright!! 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