WWI Digest 3891 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Good book on ebay/stahltaube by "Diego Fernetti" 2) FW: "second-hand" 1/72 by Crawford Neil 3) Apologies by Crawford Neil 4) Re: the kills of Albert Ball.... by "Sandy Adam" 5) A simple Nieuport Question? by CAUhlir@aol.com 6) Re: the kills of Albert Ball.... by Bob Pearson 7) Re: the kills of Albert Ball.... by "Sandy Adam" 8) Re: Apologies by Allan Wright 9) Thingie question by "Neil Eddy" 10) BE2c interior by Tim Linnell 11) Re: Thingie question by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 12) Re: Thingie question by "Steven Perry" 13) Re: Subject: Re: Albatros rigging question by "Michael Kendix" 14) Re: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... by Balzer Mr Gregory P 15) bufotanine活性成份治疗癌症发现惊人效果 by ilovech@yeah.net 16) Re: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... by Crawford Neil 17) Re: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... by Balzer Mr Gregory P 18) Re: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... by Crawford Neil 19) Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT by ERIC HIGHT 20) Re: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 21) Re: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) 22) Oeffag A11 by Santiago Martin Alfageme 23) Fine Rigging - ot by "Brent Theobald" 24) Re: Fine Rigging - ot by "Brent Theobald" 25) RE: OT national stereotypes by Crawford Neil 26) Re: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... by "Brent Theobald" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:52:54 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Good book on ebay/stahltaube Message-ID: <023d01c16d03$0a1bad40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> :-) Yes, the argie pisang like to see taubes as well, but I have the same book that Gaston have, so I can drool at home looking to the pictures! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Grzegorz Mazurowski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:43 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Good book on ebay/stahltaube > Gaston, our Friend! > Yes, Polish Taube freak wants it for sure, and another, Argetinian > one, is supposed to want it too :o) > Cheers! > Grzes > > Just lemme know if the steel dove freaks want it or not. The pics > in that > > book are only of mediocre quality but often show very interesting > details > > about the construction of the aircraft. Also the book includes a > lot of > > detail drawings. > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:12:50 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "WW1 List (E-mail)" Subject: FW: "second-hand" 1/72 Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16CE4.2715FBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hi, Got a list of secondhand models, I'm thinking of buying these: =20 Focke Wulf Fw-200 Condor civil Revell 120:- Junkers G-24 civil Finland Revell 120:- Liore 45 Heller 100:- Dogfight doubles DD F2B/Fokker Dr1 Airfix 150:- DD Roland/Re8 Airfix 150:- Divide by 10 to get USD, are these good prices? any comments on the kits, are they good (off-list for ot)? Anyone else interested? Also, that I already have, note these two:=20 Sopwith Triplane Revell 90:- DH 89 Dragon Rapide (Svenska dekaler) Heller 85:- /Neil C =20 =20 =20 Here is the complete list: =20 =20 Boeing B-17B Flying Fortress Minicraft 150:- Boeing B-17C Flying Fortress Minicraft 150:- SAAB J35 Draken Revell 30:- Focke Wulf Fw-200 Condor civil Revell 120:- Junkers F-13 civil Revell 100:- Junkers G-24 civil Finland Revell 120:- J22 Marivox 40:- CF100 Mk 4B Hobbycraft 65:- F14A Hasegawa 85:- Mig29 Fulcrum =B2Farnborough=B2 Hasegawa 75:- DH 89 Dragon Rapide (Svenska dekaler) Heller 85:- Lockheed Viking Hasegawa 85:- Lockheed Viking Hasegawa 85:- Grumman EA6B Prowler Hasegawa 85:- Sikorsky SH-60J Hasegawa 65:- Caproni 311 Italaerei 150:- Fiat BR20 Italaerei 150:- Lockheed Lightning (ex-frog) Ryss 40:- Liore 45 Heller 100:- Polikarpov I-3 Nakotne 35:- Mig 29C Nakotne 50:- Fairey Fulmar Vista 35:- Macchi M5 Ryss 50:- Whitley (ex-frog) ryss, p=E5se 50:- F-104G =B2Tiger Meet=B2 Esci 60:- Harrier AV-8B Esci 75:- Hughes 500 (1/100) pocket pak Entex 100:- Mustang P51B Monogram 65:- Mustang P51B Monogram 65:- Sopwith Triplane Revell 90:- Mirage III Frog 100:- Dornier Do17Z Monogram 100:- Me 110E-1 Monogram 90:- Me 109 F/G Johan 70:- DD F2B/Fokker Dr1 Airfix 150:- DD Roland/Re8 Airfix 150:- Hobby-Importen Box 3131 600 03 Norrk=F6ping 011-166768 eft 16.15 vardagar, eft 12.00 helger=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16CE4.2715FBE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "second-hand" 1/72
 
Hi, Got a list of = secondhand=20 models, I'm thinking of buying these:
 
 Focke = Wulf Fw-200=20 Condor  civil Revell 120:-
Junkers G-24  civil=20 Finland Revell 120:-
 Liore 45 Heller 100:-
Dogfight=20 doubles
 DD = F2B/Fokker=20 Dr1 Airfix 150:-
DD Roland/Re8 Airfix = 150:-
Divide by 10 to get USD, are these good prices? any comments=20 on
the=20 kits, are they good (off-list for ot)? Anyone else=20 interested?
 Also, that I already have, note these=20 two: 
Sopwith=20 Triplane Revell 90:-
DH 89 Dragon Rapide (Svenska dekaler) Heller=20 85:-
/Neil C
 
 
 
Here is the complete = list:
 
 
Boeing B-17B=20 Flying Fortress Minicraft 150:-
Boeing B-17C Flying=20 Fortress Minicraft 150:-
SAAB J35 Draken Revell = 30:-
Focke Wulf=20 Fw-200 Condor  civil Revell 120:-
Junkers F-13=20  civil Revell 100:-
Junkers G-24  civil = Finland Revell=20 120:-
J22  Marivox 40:-
CF100 Mk 4B Hobbycraft=20 65:-
F14A  Hasegawa 85:-
Mig29 Fulcrum=20 =B2Farnborough=B2 Hasegawa 75:-
DH 89 Dragon Rapide (Svenska=20 dekaler) Heller 85:-
Lockheed Viking Hasegawa = 85:-
Lockheed=20 Viking Hasegawa 85:-
Grumman EA6B Prowler Hasegawa = 85:-
Sikorsky=20 SH-60J Hasegawa 65:-
Caproni 311 Italaerei 150:-
Fiat=20 BR20 Italaerei 150:-
Lockheed Lightning (ex-frog) Ryss=20 40:-
Liore 45 Heller 100:-
Polikarpov I-3 Nakotne = 35:-
Mig=20 29C Nakotne 50:-
Fairey Fulmar Vista 35:-
Macchi = M5 Ryss=20 50:-
Whitley (ex-frog) ryss, p=E5se 50:-
F-104G =B2Tiger = Meet=B2 Esci=20 60:-
Harrier AV-8B Esci 75:-
Hughes 500 (1/100) pocket = pak Entex=20 100:-
Mustang P51B Monogram 65:-
Mustang P51B Monogram=20 65:-
Sopwith Triplane Revell 90:-
Mirage III Frog=20 100:-
Dornier Do17Z Monogram 100:-
Me 110E-1 Monogram = 90:-
Me=20 109 F/G Johan 70:-
DD F2B/Fokker Dr1 Airfix 150:-
DD=20 Roland/Re8 Airfix 150:-

Hobby-Importen
Box 3131
600 = 03=20 Norrk=F6ping
011-166768 eft 16.15 vardagar, eft 12.00 helger=20
------_=_NextPart_001_01C16CE4.2715FBE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:09:20 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "WW1 List (E-mail)" Subject: Apologies Message-ID: Sorry about the mime, and sending it twice, seems like the list was/is? down. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:18:27 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WWI Modelling List" Subject: Re: the kills of Albert Ball.... Message-ID: <001401c16ced$c6c47fa0$05e8b094@sandyada> >The British claims were mostly gross exaggerations.. A bit like this statement then? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 01:26:57 EST From: CAUhlir@aol.com To: Subject: A simple Nieuport Question? Message-ID: Guys, I either can't find the right picture or my eyes are going....but did N11's and N17s use bungee type shock cord for the landing gear? And what is the metal thingie PE in the Eduard N17 supposed to represent? I assumed it was a suspension mechanism but now I'm not sure Candice ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:34:14 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: Subject: Re: the kills of Albert Ball.... Message-ID: The main thing about British claims was the morale boost it gave everyone involved. Saying that they were a 'gross exaggeration' does everyone involved a mis-service. The claims were, in most cases, made in all honesty and reflected a personal victory to those involved, whether by actually destroying an aircraft, or forcing it to flee. Except for Bishop's aerodrome raid, British claims were not accepted on the basis of the pilot's say-so alone, it would have to be supported by another pilot, or ground report. Bishop's claims were accepted by a very over-zealous OC, Scott, who was very much concerned with promoting his squadron as the best on the front and would stop at almost nothing to gain recognition to it. British pilots could gain 'shared' victories, while USAS pilots would all get a full victory to all involved. Regards, Bob Pearson Peter writes. .. >> The British claims were mostly gross exaggerations. A man's >> word that he >> shot down an airplane was enough. Some time ago I did a study that >> concluded only about 1/6 of the British claims were valid! >> However, that >> is now necessarily true for each pilot. Part of this is in my recent >> article in the latest OTF. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:50:02 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WWI Modelling List" Subject: Re: the kills of Albert Ball.... Message-ID: <006b01c16d0a$f78b8120$05e8b094@sandyada> >To be fair this also includes AFC and USAS claims. Read "Bloody April, Black >September" for a disquieting look at how few RFC, AFC and USAS claims result >in a wrecked aircraft. That's right, but also read sources like the contemporary GP Neumann's History of the German Air Service to see how a 2-seater put down with bullets in the engine is flying again the next day with a new engine. Kill? Lets face it, if you are in friendly territory and you've taken hits, what is more sensible than breaking off and landing for repair. You don't have that option if you are in a DH4 100 miles behind German lines. This is an inescapable corollary of the fact that most of the air fighting took place deep inside German territory. The "ooc" and "forced down" categories were partly designed to recognise the fact that a machine could be forced down with damage but could well fly again. Doubtless very many mistakes were recorded but this system seems a fairer way to encourage allied pilots' success than any other I can think of. Why do we have to have these stupid "gross exaggeration" messages again. We've been all through this before. You can try to rewrite history a century later but you won't change the events. The records are as they are, and a lot better interpreted at the time than looking backwards now with 21st century anachronisms. This is like the arguments for rewriting Mozart's Requiem again. When Mozart died with the work incomplete, who could be better to finish it than his pupil Sussmeyer, to whom he had dictated his intentions. Yet we get learned musicologists from Milwaukee to Liverpool to Sydney who think they can do better today (after growing up with the Beatles, punk, heavy metal, Philip Glass....)! Lord save us from the revisionists! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:16:36 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Apologies Message-ID: <200111141316.IAA33579@mustang.sr.unh.edu> > Sorry about the mime, and sending it twice, seems like > the list was/is? down. We had a piece of networking hardware fail overnight. We swapped it with our hot spare first thing this morning. Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:21:32 +1100 From: "Neil Eddy" To: Subject: Thingie question Message-ID: <001001c16d0f$482c89e0$b62432d2@mannock> G'day Everyone; Just emerging out of the mists of Lurk with a 'Thingie Question'. Which is.... On the Sopwith Triplane the triangular cut-out thingie underneath the fuselage immediately behind the cowling is called what? Also recently I came across a colour scheme unknown to me for Robert Little's Sopwith triplane N5493. Here is the link for the site: http://members.aol.com/fauconberg/a0214.htm or try http://members.aol.com/RKent19111/cats.htm and then open a0214. Any one have any ideas about this scheme cos I've never heard of it. TIA All the Best Neil E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 07:36:32 -0000 From: Tim Linnell To: Subject: BE2c interior Message-ID: <010EF7D56E81D311AF850090273C43FE033E73A7@eden.recorders.eurotherm.co.uk> Anyone got any decent interior shots of a BE2c? (I have the Windsock datafile). Cheers Tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:38:11 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Thingie question Message-ID: <145.48e25bd.2923cdc3@aol.com> In a message dated 14/11/01 13:24:11 GMT Standard Time, mannock@iprimus.com.au writes: << Any one have any ideas about this scheme cos I've never heard of it. >> I think that's in the Datafile. At least I'm sure I've seen it before. Wasn't it the kit option in the SMER rerelease of the Eduard tripe? Always called that "thingie" the exhaust channel. Works for me cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:46:51 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Thingie question Message-ID: <005101c16d12$d203fc40$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> > On the Sopwith Triplane the triangular cut-out thingie underneath the > fuselage > immediately behind the cowling is called what? I call it a a royal pain in the posterior. I spent 3 hours last night tying to get this piece to fit correctly on the Revell kit I'm trying to turn into a re-worked set of masters. Probably they called it an exhaust chanel. sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:53:51 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Albatros rigging question Message-ID: >From: Shane Weier >All these formula things tend to fall down in the face of the way the > >human mind works. This is right and the formulae are not applicable, at least, in my perception of models. >It's all very well saying - >BUT unfortunately the eye-mind will look, see, analyse, and determine >that >it's an undetailed toy before you take a single conscious >thought. Why - >the mind knows that the detail *must* be there (wood >does have grain >y'know) and if it isn't then the model won't look >right. Exactly. I think that when you build a model, you're trying to send a message about what is going on. The mind reacts to detail, even though "mathematically", it shouldn't be there. Same thing goes for the so-called "scale effect" of glossiness and colour brightness. Yes, a new machines in WWI was fairly glossy - a trip to Hendon Aerodrome Museum shows this. But if you dip your 1/48th or worse, a 1/72nd scale model, in Future - the mind says "Plastic" rather than "Canvas". Slavishly matching paint chips or lozenge fabric to paint colours or decals on your model results in the same. So, we like to do things like put in wood grain and draw in panel lines. Of course, if you overdo it, the panel lines will look like they were drawn with a 3B pencil, as I have found to my cost. It's an art form, not a science; which is why different modellers' interpretation of the same aeroplane can look equally valid but quite different. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:17:57 -0500 From: Balzer Mr Gregory P To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... Message-ID: <47637867E285D5118FAE00B0D0D1C976BF9C67@TECOM03E> Good Morning All, Not to drag this thread out too long, but as I slowly approach the assembly phase of my DML Dr. 1 I have begun to visualize the build sequence in my mind, and during several "Dry Fit" attempts. My approach to affixing the wings will be to first begin with the interplane struts between the lower and mid wing. 1) I plan on using a thin coat of white glue on the lower alignment tab into the lower wing first, then position the mid wing and line everything up by sight. 2) After this dries the interplane struts should be solid enough to "stand" on their own attached to the lower wing. I then plan on going back around the outer edge with a fine brass wire in a piece of dowel rod to apply a thin line of ZAP super thin CA. Since the strut is held in place by the white glue, I see no need for a kicker, and hope to get a solid bond by letting the CA cure for about an hour before moving on. 3) Next step is to attach the mid wing to the fuselage, and then running a bead of CA around the join of the interplane strut and the mid wing. 4) Repeat the white glue process for the interplane struts between the mid wing and the upper wing, and after that dries, applying CA to the midwing joins. 5) Then I will white glue the cabines into the UPPER wing getting the proper alignment with the cowling and the fuselage, and after drying, CA the cabines to the upper wing. 6) Then I plan to flip the bird upside down on the top wing and CA the interplane struts to the upper wing, and the cabines to the cowling and fuselage. May be a bit tedious, but I think it's the best way to get a visually appealing alignment. Hopefully Lance's jig will assist in holding everything together during the white glue drying process. What says you?? /R/ Greg BAlzer -----Original Message----- From: Steven Perry [mailto:sperry03@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... What Hans said. If the eye can't tell its crooked, then its straight. I use Zap Plasti-zap CA as it gives a little wiggle time. Applicators are needles and wires of various sizes stuck in bamboo handles. Same applicator for kicker only a little bigger. Depending on the model, stick the cabaines or mainplanes on first. Then slap on the top wing and fit &fiddle the remaining struts in place. I've never used purpose built jigs as I'm not craftsman, (or patient), enough to make and use them effectively. A note on kicker: A little on the end of an applicator held close to the joint and the fumes blown gently over the joint will accelerate the reaction without chancing that the kicker will mess up a finish as it can in direct application of the liquid. sp > John, > hmmmmm... > hard to believe, I never used jigs. Usually I make some sort of test run > with losely arranged parts. Really! Then I start with the cabanes, I fix > them on the fuselage. When glue is still flexible, I put the top wing on. On > most cases the top wing is o.k. now and I simply fix the rest of the struts > simply snapping them in. I use high viscosity plastic cement, more fluent > than water. If necessary I use thin CA afterwards, applied with the scalpels > point. > > If any support is needed, I normaly lay the top wing topside down on the > desk. I start with the cabanes again and turn the fuselage also, and fix > struts in the top wing. To keep the fuselage in position I use everything > which suits: Balsa blocks, Humbrol tins, clothespins, jars filled with > water... No high tech method, but it works. It's only a mess when my > experience deceives me and the cabanes are too bad. > > Hans > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:34:09 +0800 From: ilovech@yeah.net To: 尊敬的客户@yeah.net Subject: bufotanine活性成份治疗癌症发现惊人效果 Message-ID: <20011114031048.1BCE81C25AA01@smtp.yeah.net> 癌症是"世纪之魔"、是严重威胁人类健康的"第一杀手"。据世界卫生组织统计，当今世界每隔 6秒就有一个生命被癌症夺去，使人们谈癌色变。随着工业化、居住城市化、人口老龄化进程 的加快，以及环境污染的日益严重，癌症发病率今后还会持续上升。国内外治疗癌症的药品虽 然品种类繁多，但绝大多数对实体癌症没有明显的疗效，主要原因是在杀伤癌细胞的同时亦能 杀伤正常细胞，对患者骨髓和消化道造成严重损伤，许多病人常因毒性反应严重而中断治疗。 也有许多病人已经接受过手术、放疗、化疗，基本痊愈出院后，仍面临着复发和转移的危险。 因此，研制一种高效无毒，能够彻底杀死人体内癌细胞的特效新药，也是广大癌症患者和抗癌 专家们的共同心愿。 为此，武警癌症治疗中心癌症专家组经过十几年的潜心研究，在多家权威研究机构的支持下， 海威片以华蟾素为主要原料，采用美国技术，精制分离出能够彻底杀死人体内肿瘤细胞和肝炎 病毒的单体成份--"羟基它里宁"（ bufotanine）。该特效成份经军内多家医院使用，被一致 公认为治疗癌症效果居国际领先，其疗效超过国际王牌抗癌药物--"阿霉素"20倍以上，是目前 国际最优秀的肿瘤血管生长抑制素，羟基它里宁是当今国际上第一个能够升高白血球的抗癌和 杀死肝炎病毒的药品，它对癌细胞和肝炎病毒有极强的杀伤作用，能够干扰和阻断癌细胞分裂 增殖，抑制癌细胞DNA复制和基因开放，抑制肿瘤血管生成，使癌细胞缺血调亡。但对骨髓细 胞无抑制作用，即对正常人体细胞无毒副作用，可长期服用。该产品一经临床应用，立即以其 能够高效克制癌魔的显著效果引起人们的极大关注，有的患者仅用药一周时间，便能明显改善 全身症状，许多癌症患者用后通过CT复诊能够发现癌肿阴影消除或癌肿明显缩小。对食道癌梗 阻症状三天即可绶解进食，也有许多癌症患者经海威片短期治疗后，重返工作岗位等。 绵阳市武警医院肿瘤临床研究基地 407基因癌症研究治疗中心 联系信息:电话0816-2266529传真86-816-2266529 http://www.my407.net http://go3.163.com/cn407/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:30:40 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... Message-ID: Just glue it together! I'm with Hans and Steve, I glue and fiddle till it looks right. On a Fokker Dr1, I can't see how you could go wrong? /Neil C. PS. And don't bother with white glue, it will ruin your joints. I think I'd use old-fashioned tube cement or epoxy > May be a bit tedious, but I think it's the best way to get a visually > appealing alignment. Hopefully Lance's jig will assist in holding > everything together during the white glue drying process. > What says you?? > /R/ > Greg BAlzer > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:45:31 -0500 From: Balzer Mr Gregory P To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... Message-ID: <47637867E285D5118FAE00B0D0D1C976BF9C6A@TECOM03E> Thanks Neil, Michael K has previously accused me of being obsessive-compulsive! I'll give it a try with the old reliable Testors tube cement, and as you say - "Just glue it together!" /R/ Greg -----Original Message----- From: Crawford Neil [mailto:Neil.Crawford@volvo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 9:38 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... Just glue it together! I'm with Hans and Steve, I glue and fiddle till it looks right. On a Fokker Dr1, I can't see how you could go wrong? /Neil C. PS. And don't bother with white glue, it will ruin your joints. I think I'd use old-fashioned tube cement or epoxy > May be a bit tedious, but I think it's the best way to get a visually > appealing alignment. Hopefully Lance's jig will assist in holding > everything together during the white glue drying process. > What says you?? > /R/ > Greg BAlzer > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:58:35 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... Message-ID: I wish I hadn't been so categoricall, maybe your method would work great, I just think its a bit of an overkill. If you do use tube-cement remember to clean off paint from all mating surfaces. I only say this because I am often careless with this, and my models fall apart. /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Balzer Mr Gregory P [mailto:balzergp@tecom.usmc.mil] > Sent: den 14 november 2001 15:50 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... > > > Thanks Neil, > Michael K has previously accused me of being > obsessive-compulsive! I'll > give it a try with the old reliable Testors tube cement, and > as you say - > "Just glue it together!" > /R/ > Greg > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:01:06 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20011114075557.01c3db80@pop.amug.org> >karen wrote: > >Great news, Eric. Which Taube would that be? > >austro-hungarian. it has the same wings and motor as the lo. b.ii. now >you know as much as i do. > >Let's see: if I guess correctly, I get a free kit, right? i don't think so!!!!....:) >Bregeut BrM.5 >Voisin LA.S >Albatros B.II >Albatros C.I >Caudron G.3/4 >Any Farman: Henri or Maurice >Vickers 'Gunbus' >RAF R.E. 8 >Macchi L.1/2/3 >Ago C.II >Aviatik B.II > >there might be a couple on this list. and some that are definately not(no >more monsters!!!) as always thanks!!! i know i can count on karen!! regards, eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:08:49 -0500 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... Message-ID: Hi Folks, I have been using the glue and fiddle method myself and am starting to wonder if this isn't the easiest way. The only digression is that I have been using 5 minute Expoxy for the main interplane struts...Once this starts to cure, I fiddle the wing into its final resting place, let it dry overnite and then put the cabane or any smaller struts in place. I'm starting to think that a jig may be suitable for larger wings...Still planning on building a jig.... Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:33:09 -0600 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... Message-ID: All of the ideas sound good. If the cabin struts are cast as a unit (not separate struts), I approach this step from the other direction. The lower wing is glued in place first. I then glue the cabins to the upper wing with liquid cement (has more working time than CA) then glue them to the fuselage. While the cement is setting up, I can fiddle with the alignment, looking down and from the front. When this has set up, I reinforce the joint with CA, then pop the main struts in place and glue them in with TenX or CA. JP ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:23:19 +0100 From: Santiago Martin Alfageme To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Oeffag A11 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20011114161842.00c0d530@gugu.usal.es> Hello, This a message of a newcomer. I am planning to build an Oeffag type H (A11) checzmaster resin.I want to get some bibliography before building it. O碈onnors "Air aces of AH.." book have some scarce pictures of the aircraft. Hikoki book points two references: Schupitas "kuk Seeflieger" and Hauke "die Fluzeuge..". Wich is more accurate?. Is there any cockpit pictures?. How can I get it?. Schupitas seems to be difficult to find in bookstores. Is there a bookstore in web where to get it?. Regards ----------------------------------------- Santiago Mart韓 Alfageme Avda. Reyes de Espa馻 26-32 Apt. 333 37008 Salamanca Spain e-mail stig@usal.es Tlf. +34 923 27 13 02 ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:39:54 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Fine Rigging - ot Message-ID: Howdy ya'll, In case you are feeling sad because you can't rig your 1/72 DH-2 or Il'ya Muromets I thought I'd send this link. It ought to make you feel better. Mere mortals like ourselves ought to be able to rig models in the massive 1/72, or Bittner scale. This is really an incredible model. http://www.artofthesea.com/images/mcafferty/Mcaffrey_USSconst_lg.jpg Enjoy! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:47:49 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fine Rigging - ot Message-ID: I forgot to mention that I think the scale is is 64' = 1" or 1/768. It's kinda hard to read the plaque. Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:57:02 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: OT national stereotypes Message-ID: Is the pease server doin a HAL on us? Like getting unplugged, and going back to it's childhood, well 2 weeks ago;-) /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Grzegorz Mazurowski [mailto:grzem@yahoo.com] > Sent: den 29 oktober 2001 14:07 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] RE: OT national stereotypes > > > > > BTW, best inlines were Austrian, weren't? > > > No that was the Rolls-Royce Eagle! > > /NeilC. > OK. but Eagle was big and heavy? > G. > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:57:40 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... Message-ID: Howdy! I am still partial to the Blue Tack method. It is easily adjustable yet strong. The only time I don't use it is on lozenged decal wings. I spend so much time decaling them I can't risk the Blue Tack pulling the decals off. That being said my 4 year old daughter and I banged out an ot Japanese biplane/seaplane last night. I just filled the holes in the top wing for the struts with Pro-Weld and stuck the struts in. When those were dry-ish I repeated the procedure on the bottom wing and installed the top wing. Since everything was still a little melty I could squish it around and make everything right. The model has survived an evening flying around the house, buzzed Mom a few times (very hazardous) and several water landings in the tub. We'll see if it lives until Show and Tell at school on Friday. I'll be amazed if it survives until Saturday. Anyhow... Would I do it this way with one of my more "serious" models? Probably not, but the model is definately strong enough. Heck, we built the whole thing in less than 30 minutes... Good fun! Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3891 **********************