WWI Digest 3889 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: the kills of Albert Ball.... by Peter Fedders 2) ALBATROS C.X HELP by ERIC HIGHT 3) CSM ANNOUNCEMENT by ERIC HIGHT 4) Was: Albatros rigging by "Hans Trauner" 5) Re: OT Bananas? by "Hans Trauner" 6) A question for our Polish subscribers by Mark Miller 7) Re: Was: Albatros rigging by Artur Golebiewski 8) Re: raw fokker by "Steven Perry" 9) Re: OT Bananas? by "Gaston Graf" 10) RE: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... by Artur Golebiewski 11) Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT by Artur Golebiewski 12) Re: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... by "Hans Trauner" 13) Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT by ERIC HIGHT 14) Re: Next up - albatros by "Muth and Zulick" 15) Re: Was: Albatros rigging by "Hans Trauner" 16) Re: OT Bananas? by "Gaston Graf" 17) Subject: Re: Albatros rigging question by "fraser" 18) HB G.I was Jager Miniatures Albatros J.I by "Brent Theobald" 19) Re: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... by "Steven Perry" 20) Upcoming Jagre Subjects was Jager Miniatures Albatros J.I by "Brent Theobald" 21) Re: Upcoming Jagre Subjects was Jager Miniatures Albatros J.I by "Steven Perry" 22) Speaking of Sikorskii Wheels by Todd Hayes 23) Re: raw fokker by =?iso-8859-1?B?TWFydO1uIEjpY3RvciBBRkZMSVRUTyBFQ0hBR/xF?= 24) Re: raw fokker by "Ross Moorhouse" 25) Re: raw fokker by "Matt Bittner" 26) Re: raw fokker by "Matt Bittner" 27) re: A question for our Polish subscribers by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 28) More Pfalz pictures by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 29) Re: Was: Albatros rigging by Artur Golebiewski 30) Re: raw fokker by Lee 31) RE: OT Bananas? by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:00:55 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Fedders To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: the kills of Albert Ball.... Message-ID: The British claims were mostly gross exaggerations. A man's word that he shot downan airplane was enough. Some time ago I did a study that concluded only about 1/6 of the British claims were valed! However, that is now necessarily true for each pilot. Part of this is in my recent article in the latest OTF. peter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:12:19 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: ALBATROS C.X HELP Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20011113100517.01d51570@pop.amug.org> dear esteemed scholars, i received this request from justin at jager as follows: forgot to ask you what i phoned about......Dohh! I'm trying to get hold of pictures or plans with the underside of the fuselage and the underside of the top wing of the albatros CX- can you help or point me in the right direction. please reply directly to him at: Justin young if any one can help he will greatly appreciate it. a giant TIA thanks eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:24:35 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20011113101238.01d520c0@pop.amug.org> list members, a few items: i will be reissuing the pfalz dr.i in dec 01. next kit is an AH taube early 02 1/48th german mechanics set (3 figures) late dec 01 i have in stock props for the following: 1/32 spad germont 12.00 1/32 fok. d.vii axial 12.00 1/48 rumpler c.iv props choice of astra(blond) or axial(dark) 10.00 the aeg c.iv has been pushed back some/possibly out. i am working on marty real hard!! we are going to try and produce between 4-6 kits next year. most will be of early war a/c. prices on unmarked items will be tba. thanks again for all your help and support i appreciate it!! thanks eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:53:33 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Was: Albatros rigging Message-ID: <00c001c16c6c$1cedd160$a2ab72d4@FRITZweb> Ladies and Gentlemen, somebody asked for rigging details on austrian Albatrose, but I was too fast with the delete key, sorry. a) after an short survey through my OEF Albatros resources I can say: All riggings ends with turnbuckles, on both sides b) standard steel cable was used. In my opinion the colour deteriorated from matt silver to almost matt black from dirt and oil stainings c) If anybody is interested to take a look on real OT austrian turnbuckles, go to the mother of all WWI pages: http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/AH/DI/Beschriftung.jpg It's an Aviatik, but this type also starts with an 'A' and it's austrian, o.k.? Hans ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:58:42 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: OT Bananas? Message-ID: <00c401c16c6c$d4c91420$a2ab72d4@FRITZweb> ? > Gaston, > > My guess is that MvR used sort of phonetic form of the french word > 'paysan'. I don't know about others but to me it makes perfectly sense > when you read the description. > > Jan No, sorry. As Volker already pointed out, Pisang was a name for bananas. I took a look in Merck's Warenlexikon from 1908. It states: Bananen ( frz. Bananes, engl. Bananas) sind Früchte verschiedener Arten der Gattung Musa (Pisang), namentlich aber von Musa paradisica, Musa sapeientum ...... Bananas ( french Bananes, engl. Bananas) are fruits of different species of the genus Musa (Pisang), namely Musa paradisica.... Hans ------------------------------ Date: 13 Nov 2001 10:19:20 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: A question for our Polish subscribers Message-ID: <20011113181920.25351.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> Hi I was recently contacted by a guy in Poland who is writing an article on WW1 AC construction. He wants to use the "phantom view" image of the DVa which I posted on allan's site as an illustration. The magazine is called "StrefaCD" Any of you guys heard of it? TIA Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:29:17 -0800 (PST) From: Artur Golebiewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Was: Albatros rigging Message-ID: <20011113182917.17182.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> > a) after an short survey through my OEF Albatros > resources I can say: All > riggings ends with turnbuckles, on both sides Wow ! That is strange...both sides? Are you sure? I just have one source and that is the Czech/English JaPo booklet. Upon closer examination I see turnbuckles on most cables on the bottom and just attachment points on the tops. The exception to that is those two wires running almost straight up from the bottom wing to the top. They are attached just behind the Interplane "V" strut. Those seem to have the turnbuckles on top in at least three pictures. On the undercarriage the turnbuckles are also on top, probably so the poor sods would not have lie down to adjust them :o) > > b) standard steel cable was used. In my opinion the > colour deteriorated from > matt silver to almost matt black from dirt and oil > stainings > > c) If anybody is interested to take a look on real > OT austrian turnbuckles, > go to the mother of all WWI pages: > http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/AH/DI/Beschriftung.jpg > It's an Aviatik, but this type also starts with an > 'A' and it's austrian, > o.k.? Thanks for the picture...very enlightening. Is it just me or do these seem more "beefy" then most RAF wires?, the turnbucles look really "substantial"...good... I made mine from .32gage wire. Thanks for all the help, Artur __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:41:42 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: raw fokker Message-ID: <004701c16c72$d70cdae0$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> > The question remains, why? > /Neil C. Ease of construction. Build the whole wing and cut out the ailerons. Obviously the interior structure is designed to make this feasable. Its done on flying models all the time. Fokker was into reducing drag through the use of cantelever wings. This would have made bonding of the structure to the ply covering very important. Remember he had problems with moisture de-bonding things which resulted in wing failures. I am guessing that it was easier to bond the entire covering to the structure and then cut the ailerons free. YGMV sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:42:30 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Re: OT Bananas? Message-ID: Jan, thanks - that makes indeed sense. But after all that I know, Boelcke spoke French quite well... I think I will include both suggestions for that word in my appendix to that chapter. I never found a book where the appendixes grew bigger than main story itself but in this case the additional info will exceed the original story a lot. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > Gaston, > > My guess is that MvR used sort of phonetic form of the french word > 'paysan'. I don't know about others but to me it makes perfectly sense > when you read the description. > > Jan > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:51:32 -0800 (PST) From: Artur Golebiewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... Message-ID: <20011113185132.46580.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Legos, etc That is what I use, it is simple because you do not need to build it. Just get one of the platforms and a bunch of full, half and 1/3 size blocks and you can do wonders :o). The trick is to firmly center and attach (by means of blocks or tape) the fuselage to the base platform. Then just build small pillars before and aft of the bottom wings. Put a block across them for support for your interplane and cabane struts...and you will get them centered every time. This also works if you are building the top wing first and then attachning the bottom wings, you just have to reverse the fuselage. Artur __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:01:55 -0800 (PST) From: Artur Golebiewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <20011113190155.1980.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> > the aeg c.iv has been pushed back some/possibly out. Ouch! my world just collapsed! My whole modeling plan for next year was based around those models...I even started designing Turkish and Polish decals for those...now ( after crying for a day ) I will have to dust off the Sierra vacuform. Artur ( still sobbing :o( __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:05:54 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... Message-ID: <00ea01c16c76$387336a0$a2ab72d4@FRITZweb> John, hmmmmm... hard to believe, I never used jigs. Usually I make some sort of test run with losely arranged parts. Really! Then I start with the cabanes, I fix them on the fuselage. When glue is still flexible, I put the top wing on. On most cases the top wing is o.k. now and I simply fix the rest of the struts simply snapping them in. I use high viscosity plastic cement, more fluent than water. If necessary I use thin CA afterwards, applied with the scalpels point. If any support is needed, I normaly lay the top wing topside down on the desk. I start with the cabanes again and turn the fuselage also, and fix struts in the top wing. To keep the fuselage in position I use everything which suits: Balsa blocks, Humbrol tins, clothespins, jars filled with water... No high tech method, but it works. It's only a mess when my experience deceives me and the cabanes are too bad. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:02:09 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20011113120122.01d528b0@pop.amug.org> dear artur, don't cry i am working on it!!! eric At 02:05 PM 11/13/01 -0500, you wrote: > > the aeg c.iv has been pushed back some/possibly out. > >Ouch! my world just collapsed! My whole modeling plan >for next year was based around those models...I even >started designing Turkish and Polish decals for >those...now ( after crying for a day ) I will have to >dust off the Sierra vacuform. Artur ( still sobbing :o( > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals >http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:23:39 -0500 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Re: Next up - albatros Message-ID: <014701c16c78$b33736a0$0100005a@ptd.net> > I've just given up looking for the end cap to a machine gun what dropped 1 > inch (25mm) from my clumsy fingers to the white surface I work on...and > disappeared. Does anyone else find these tiny black holes forming in their > work surfaces, they're also commonly found under motorcycle engines. Oh yeah. The red carpet on the floor seems to hide all sorts of things I drop...only to be discovered a day or two after the model is completed. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:28:51 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Was: Albatros rigging Message-ID: <013401c16c79$6d333680$a2ab72d4@FRITZweb> > Wow ! That is strange..(turnbuckles on)..both sides? Are you sure? Artur, no, I am not, of course. What is sure in WWI modelling? In various cases the pics are not really clear to judge if the fixing device has a swiveling middle centre ( ? You know what I mean? Is 'turnable' the better expression?). My first thought was that a turnbuckle is necessary on one side only to keep the cable straight. And I thought that this is more easily done on the lower wing side f.e. as the mechanic can reach them more easily. But on the OEF Albatros the cables reaching from the top side outer struts to the lower side on the fuselage has turnbuckles on the top side! Sure! The cables on the lower sides of the outer struts have them on the lower side...All I can judge from the pics available for me is that there is some sort of a fixing devise on the other side. The cable does not simply dissappear in the wing/strut ( as I do it with my models). Take a look at the Aviatik pics, as suggested. There is a fixing device which looks like a tongue and a 'real' turnbuckle on the opposite side. Do you really want to represent this on your model? 1/144 scale, I presume. Hans Please forgive me my imprecise use of the word turnbuckle. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:34:40 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Re: OT Bananas? Message-ID: > > Pisang..........., but it also means á queer customer'. > Hmmmm........... does that mean this is the list of the Pisangs? Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:42:44 +0100 From: "fraser" To: Subject: Subject: Re: Albatros rigging question Message-ID: <001301c16c7b$9e115dc0$66c51bd4@fraserinprague> Neil wrote: "If you rigged with ordinary black hair it would look about right in 1/72. Problem is you can't get it straight. But I think a good rule for rigging thicknes in 1/72 is about the same as (thickish) human hair, maybe a fraction thicker if it's silver coloured, black always shows up better so should be thinner. IMHO/Neil C." And FWIW, a human hair, I seem to recall (zoology 101) is about 5 thou depending on colour.... Regards, Fraser ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:45:04 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: HB G.I was Jager Miniatures Albatros J.I Message-ID: Howdy! Todd says: >That's what I'd like to know. I'm not familiar with >the HB G.I. I'm not too familiar with it either. I picked up a (shudder) Merlin kit at Squadron's Scalefest last year from the Aviation Usk fellas. It strongly resembles a Gotha G.II. Markings are iron crosses on CDL. That's all I've got right now. I may have more at home. Who cares! It's big, couple of engines and German. I like it! Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:49:50 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Looking for Wing-Mounting Ideas..... Message-ID: <007d01c16c7c$5be28180$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> What Hans said. If the eye can't tell its crooked, then its straight. I use Zap Plasti-zap CA as it gives a little wiggle time. Applicators are needles and wires of various sizes stuck in bamboo handles. Same applicator for kicker only a little bigger. Depending on the model, stick the cabaines or mainplanes on first. Then slap on the top wing and fit &fiddle the remaining struts in place. I've never used purpose built jigs as I'm not craftsman, (or patient), enough to make and use them effectively. A note on kicker: A little on the end of an applicator held close to the joint and the fumes blown gently over the joint will accelerate the reaction without chancing that the kicker will mess up a finish as it can in direct application of the liquid. sp > John, > hmmmmm... > hard to believe, I never used jigs. Usually I make some sort of test run > with losely arranged parts. Really! Then I start with the cabanes, I fix > them on the fuselage. When glue is still flexible, I put the top wing on. On > most cases the top wing is o.k. now and I simply fix the rest of the struts > simply snapping them in. I use high viscosity plastic cement, more fluent > than water. If necessary I use thin CA afterwards, applied with the scalpels > point. > > If any support is needed, I normaly lay the top wing topside down on the > desk. I start with the cabanes again and turn the fuselage also, and fix > struts in the top wing. To keep the fuselage in position I use everything > which suits: Balsa blocks, Humbrol tins, clothespins, jars filled with > water... No high tech method, but it works. It's only a mess when my > experience deceives me and the cabanes are too bad. > > Hans > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:56:54 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Upcoming Jagre Subjects was Jager Miniatures Albatros J.I Message-ID: Howdy! The Mysterious Eric writes: >justin has talked to me about the truck and an early armored car, brit >i >think, any interest in these subjects? I think the truck would be a very interesting subject. I like the idea of it towing a plane. I don't do much British stuff. However, I think one of Lawrence of Arabia's armored Rolls Royces would be very interesting indeed. (I wonder if they would do his motorcycle too?) Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:15:40 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Upcoming Jagre Subjects was Jager Miniatures Albatros J.I Message-ID: <009301c16c7f$f73b7580$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> > I think the truck would be a very interesting subject. I like the idea of it > towing a plane. > > I don't do much British stuff. However, I think one of Lawrence of Arabia's > armored Rolls Royces would be very interesting indeed. (I wonder if they > would do his motorcycle too?) A Crowsley (sp?) Tender would be real welcome in either scale. sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:28:37 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Speaking of Sikorskii Wheels Message-ID: <20011113202837.12246.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> For some reason, the company that said they'd get the Master Club wheels, will not, in spite of repeated e-mails, answer me back. They said they could get them, but nothing since. I hope they don't just pop up one day and say, "we have 30 wheels for you at $12 ea." I'd have to tell them to keep the wheels. Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 05:46:58 -0300 From: =?iso-8859-1?B?TWFydO1uIEjpY3RvciBBRkZMSVRUTyBFQ0hBR/xF?= To: Subject: Re: raw fokker Message-ID: <008e01c16c1f$c5acb2a0$b70de818@fibertel.com.ar> Hi Folk!!!! from the Scale Aircraft Drawings -(1986 - ISBN 0-911295-02-X) Fokker E.V/D.VIII no wood aileron . Martín ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:21 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: raw fokker > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lee [mailto:lemen@x25.net] > > Sent: den 13 november 2001 17:18 > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WWI] Re: raw fokker > > > > > > The E-V/D-VIII certainly did and does have wooden wings. At this > > moment I do not remember if the ailerons were wood covered or not. > > > > Moments later.... > > > > I have looked at the left wing tip photo, and, the aileron is > > wood covered. > > > > Lee M. > > New Braunfels, TX > > > > The question remains, why? > /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:39:28 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: raw fokker Message-ID: <004101c16cf0$42a75d20$bb0dcecb@umber> Yes his work is stunning alright. I love this from him...... "This was my first serious attempt at detailing a WW1 aeroplane model. Starting from the Revell 1/72nd kit, interiors, radiator and engine were scratchbuilt in plasticard and sprue." This was about his Se5a.. Then all his models after that are like this... sob sob.. This just isn't fair.. ;) Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:22 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: raw fokker | On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 07:15:56 -0500 (EST), Ross Moorhouse wrote: | | > Wow could we some of the 1/72 guys here doing this too. ;) | | Look on the site and look at Alberto Casirati's stunning work. | | | Matt Bittner | | | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:34:50 -0800 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: raw fokker Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:02:46 -0500 (EST), KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > Neat model....although I DID manage a short nap while the page loaded. Looks > like he's used the same file for both the small versions of the pics and the > click-to enlargements. A quick properties check showed the same size files > for both large and small. Two things could be going on. First his thumbnails aren't true thumbs, instead he's letting the browser resize the originals. Or, he's not specifying the size of the thumbs, in which case the browser has to read the images anyway and then load the page. HTML 101 - create smaller thumbnails as separate files and *always* tell the browser what *exact and correct* size they are. That way the browser loads the HTML/window first, and then loads the thumbnails into their correctly sized "slots". Granted, the "painting" of the window appears differently in Netscape vs. MSIE, but the concept is the same. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:41:47 -0800 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: raw fokker Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:41:20 -0500 (EST), Ross Moorhouse wrote: > Yes his work is stunning alright. I love this from him...... "This was my > first serious attempt at detailing a WW1 aeroplane model. Starting from the > Revell 1/72nd kit, interiors, radiator and engine were scratchbuilt in > plasticard and sprue." This was about his Se5a.. Then all his models after > that are like this... sob sob.. This just isn't fair.. ;) He is a True Master, that's for sure. I'm still struggling to get to his level... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:12:59 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: A question for our Polish subscribers Message-ID: <012301c16c98$bd6dc100$0200a8c0@x.pl> Strefa CD is comp. game magazine. Can you give me his address? I can talk with him and ask exactly, what he wants. Grzegorz > Hi > I was recently contacted by a guy in Poland who is writing an article on WW1 AC construction. > He wants to use the "phantom view" image of the DVa which I posted on allan's site as an illustration. > > The magazine is called "StrefaCD" > Any of you guys heard of it? > > TIA > Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:45:24 -0200 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: More Pfalz pictures Message-ID: <006101c16c9d$459a7420$6233e2c8@computador> Hi, list folks! Just to let you know that I uploaded a new page in my website about the Pfalz D.III and D.IIIa. There I put 6 pictures of my most recent kit, the Degelow's D.IIIa. To go there, just visit www.modelismo-ww1.cjb.net and select "Pfalz D.III e D.IIIa" in the small menu below the main picture. Click in "Ver fotos" (see pictures) and there you are! All the best from Brazil Marcio Campos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:44:05 -0800 (PST) From: Artur Golebiewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Was: Albatros rigging Message-ID: <20011113234405.82030.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> > Do you really want to represent this on your model? > 1/144 scale, I presume. :o) Artur __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:21:37 -0600 From: Lee To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: raw fokker Message-ID: <3BF1B911.8060901@x25.net> Sorry. I have a photo of a "built according to plans" full size Fokker E-V/D-VIII and it is equipped with wooden ailerons. Photo is of the left wing and shows the lower side of the wing. The plane is now on display at Fort Rucker Alabama. It is built as accurately as present knowledge will allow. I can supply a photo, taken at the location where the plane was built, to anyone that wants to use 36KB of space to receive it. Built according to Fokker Plans and records from 1917-18. Martín Héctor AFFLITTO ECHAGüE wrote: > Hi Folk!!!! > from the Scale Aircraft Drawings -(1986 - ISBN 0-911295-02-X) > Fokker E.V/D.VIII no wood aileron . > > > Martín > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Crawford Neil > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:21 PM > Subject: [WWI] Re: raw fokker > > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Lee [mailto:lemen@x25.net] >>> Sent: den 13 november 2001 17:18 >>> To: Multiple recipients of list >>> Subject: [WWI] Re: raw fokker >>> >>> >>> The E-V/D-VIII certainly did and does have wooden wings. At this >>> moment I do not remember if the ailerons were wood covered or not. >>> >>> Moments later.... >>> >>> I have looked at the left wing tip photo, and, the aileron is >>> wood covered. >>> >>> Lee M. >>> New Braunfels, TX >>> >> The question remains, why? >> /Neil C. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:19:47 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: OT Bananas? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD753@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Gaston asks: > Could it be possible, that > some Germans > called the French "Banana Eater" because France possessed > colonies where > they planted their own bananas while the Germans had to > import them for > expensive prices? Did people in Central Europe eat already > bananas at that time anyway? I wonder. I'd have thought the logic was banana eater == ape They were perhaps calling the locals "apes", a common enough insult in many languages. 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