WWI Digest 3887 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Sidna cont'd: by Rory Goodwin 2) Re: Albatros rigging question by Mark Miller 3) Decals Needed by Eric Hotz 4) Re: Nieuport questions by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 5) Re: Nieuport questions by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 6) OT Bananas? by "Gaston Graf" 7) Next up - albatros by "fraser" 8) RE: Next up - albatros by "Gaston Graf" 9) Re: OT Bananas? by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 10) OT Movie: The Lost Battalion by Todd Hayes 11) RE: New upload by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tyllstr=F6m_M=E5rten?= 12) re: Next up - albatros by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 13) Re: Nieuport questions by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 14) re: OT Bananas? by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 15) re: Sikorski wheels by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 16) raw fokker by "Diego Fernetti" 17) RE: Rio Claro open contest by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 18) Re: raw fokker by "Ross Moorhouse" 19) Re: raw fokker by "Matt Bittner" 20) 北京上海所有食杂店地址电话 by mtrl@163.net 21) Re: raw fokker by "Diego Fernetti" 22) Re: raw fokker by Mark Miller 23) RE: I come back!!!!!!!!!! by "Diego Fernetti" 24) Lame adhesive Q by Peter Mullin 25) Re: raw fokker by Mark Miller 26) Re: Decals Needed by Artur Golebiewski 27) Re: OT Bananas? by Jan Vihonen 28) re: Sikorski wheels by "Michael Kendix" 29) Re: raw fokker by "Michael Kendix" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:10:34 -0800 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Sidna cont'd: Message-ID: <3BF0AB4A.AF223A8E@earthlink.net> Stuff I don't need anymore. Brent Theobald wrote: > So, what is Sidna anyway? > > >From: Rory Goodwin > >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: [WWI] Sidna cont'd: > >Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:21:43 -0500 (EST) > > > >Also: > > > >Paschendaele Alb. D.II conversion (slight warp to upper wing and decals > >a bit crinkly, no instructions.) $5 > >Renwal 1/72 Aero-Skin Alb. D.V (aero-skin a bit shredded) > >Classicplanes AEG G.IV vac kit $8 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: 12 Nov 2001 21:09:47 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Albatros rigging question Message-ID: <20011113050947.15135.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Mon, 12 November 2001, Artur Golebiewski wrote: "...I want to replicate turnbuckles on the rigging but cannot find any diagrams that would show all the positions of the turbuckles on the plane. The pictures are good but rarely do they show both the top and bottom attachment points...so I am left to guessing...If a turnbuckle is missing on top is it located on the bottom? " Artur In my experience, any relativly long length of wire will have a turnbuckle at one end or the other. I tried to acurately model all the rigging attachment hardware and turnbuckles on my virtual Albatros DVa. I posted images to the cookup site which illustrated these details, but the site is still unavailable :-( If you want I can send you some images tommorrow (they are at work) But- I modled a German made Albatros and am unsure if these details are the same on OEF variants. Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:31:36 -0800 From: Eric Hotz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Decals Needed Message-ID: <3BF0B038.CAC37A44@direct.ca> Hello, Does anyone know where to go to get custom made decals for a model? Does anyone on this list make decals, and if they do, do they take on small commissions? Take care... -- --- Eric Hotz +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HOTZ ARTWORKS-ILLUSTRATION & DESIGN http://www.erichotz.com Phone/FAX: (604) 619-6925/ mailto:erichotz@direct.ca Address: Suite 110-19567 Fraser Hwy, Surrey, BC, V3S 9A4 Canada Larry Leadhead, The Comic Strip: http://www.larryleadhead.org +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 00:56:02 -0500 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport questions Message-ID: <3BF0B5F2.CCF0C831@mars.ark.com> The skid itself (including the 'arm') is wood, built up from pieces. It is usually stained a dark colour similar to that used on the struts. There is a triangular(ish) metal bracket on the sides of the skid which holds it to the fuselage and another that holds the metal spring leaves to the skid 'arm'. The 17 replica at NAM has the wood silver and the metal bits black but this isn't entirely correct. The original Nieuport skid on the Old Rhinebeck example was bare wood (although it had been modified so the arm would pivot) The NAM 12 was missing the skid and a new one was built from German Nieuport 17 plans. It was also covered in fabric and doped silver (again erroneously) but the metal bits were at least left silver. Prior to the restoration it had a triangular chunk of plywood that had replaced the long since vanished original. The metal plates seem to be hard to see in many shots so they may have been painted sometimes. http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/Nie17_3m.jpg shows how it was built including the side brace (to the left of the rudder). I have larger scans of the drawings if they are needed. Mike F. Mark Miller wrote: > > On Mon, 12 November 2001, "Muth and Zulick" wrote: > > > > > > > > 1. What colour has tailskid and its cover? > > I believe these were natural wood and the tail skid may have had a piece > > of metal attached to it. > > hth > > Mike Muth > > Mike > Is it wood - or is it canvas covered wood that was then painted? > I've been wondering about this myself lately > > The Photo Diego pointed to shows a large metal plate on the port side of the N12 tailskid, I don't rember seeing that on any external views > also if you look at the other N12 photos at the canada Aviation museum you will find some more tailskid photos which don't look like they have a wood surface > > The Canada Aviation Museum is a goldmine of structural photos > http://www.aviation.nmstc.ca/Eng/Collection/coll_alphabet.html > go to the collection and click on the N12 - then go to other photos - be patient - there are about 75 photos and it takes a while to load - excellent stuff!! > Check out all the N17 photos as well > > Mark > > Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! > http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 01:05:34 -0500 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport questions Message-ID: <3BF0B82E.9EA31E98@mars.ark.com> No silver N.11's but I have found 2 silver N.16's - probably late survivors. One was French (French AC of WW1 has the shot), and one was Russian (not sure where the picture came from). A third (Belgian) machine has silver fuselage sides and presumably some of the undersurfaces (this was in the Squadron Signal Nieuport book). All the rest of the N.11's and 16's were misidentified Nieuport 21's (including the Ukrainian and Russian machines in the Toko 11 kit) The early silver finishes can be identified by the blotchiness of its application - which is completely different in appearance from the way CDL get s blotchy. Paint silver with a brush and you've got it. The later 17's, and including the 27's were sprayed (or applied in a completely different manner than the early machines). Mike F. Grzegorz Mazurowski wrote: > > Thanks for all good info!!! > But what with second question, about silver N.11 or 16? > Matt? > G. > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:51:41 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: OT Bananas? Message-ID: Friends, strange words Oswald Boelcke used at his time! In his letter from September 4, 1915 he talks about two missed men who returned after they had spend five days in the Argonne forest, eating berries and roots until they finally ran into a German Dragon patrol. He wrote they had to land on enemy territory after their engine quit. They had barely landed as the "Pisangs" came for them from all sides, roaring men and screaming women, but they escaped into a nearby little wood where they was waiting for the nightfall because it got encircled. They then managed to escape into the Argonne forest. Boelcke refers to the men and women - who certainly was French civilians - as "Pisangs". I found no translation for the word, but in an old encyclopedia from the 1950's I found an explanation for it. It is said it originates from the Malayan language, meaning nothing but "Banana", but the word "Pisang-Fresser" in German was a common insult used in the first half of the past century, meaning "Banana Eater". Is anybody familiar with this designation? Was the word "Pisang" maybe used with the English language as well? Could it be possible, that some Germans called the French "Banana Eater" because France possessed colonies where they planted their own bananas while the Germans had to import them for expensive prices? Did people in Central Europe eat already bananas at that time anyway? I wonder. happy bending Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:15:38 +0100 From: "fraser" To: Subject: Next up - albatros Message-ID: <003901c16c1b$b098b840$656814d4@fraserinprague> Good morning from rainy Prague, Well, having finished my Nie 11 I cast around for the next and have decided to try an Eduard Alb. DV. Haven't decided whose yet. This is where the Gallery and members comments on kits are so useful, not to mention the full reviews by list members at Modelling Madness. It makes up a lot for my lack of experience with biplanes. I've just given up looking for the end cap to a machine gun what dropped 1 inch (25mm) from my clumsy fingers to the white surface I work on...and disappeared. Does anyone else find these tiny black holes forming in their work surfaces, they're also commonly found under motorcycle engines. I find they tend to be just big enough to disappear a tiny but irreplaceable part. So I ordered another PE sheet from Mssrs. Eduard. Sigh. A spare or two would be nice. I'm painting the engine today, hopefully I won't lose it. BTW how do I switch from digest to normal list, can't find that one in the help file...? Keep up the good work Regards Fraser ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:23:48 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Next up - albatros Message-ID: Fraser, there is a trick that might be useful to find dropped little parts. Get you a handbrush and clean the aera where you dropped the part. Get the whole stuff you collect in that way onto a dustpan. The limited surface of the duspan makes it very easy to spot the little part. In most cases I was lucky to find what I was looking for in that way. Good luck! ;o) Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of fraser > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:16 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Next up - albatros > > > Good morning from rainy Prague, > Well, having finished my Nie 11 I cast around for the next and > have decided > to try an Eduard Alb. DV. Haven't decided whose yet. This is where the > Gallery and members comments on kits are so useful, not to > mention the full > reviews by list members at Modelling Madness. It makes up a lot > for my lack > of experience with biplanes. > I've just given up looking for the end cap to a machine gun what dropped 1 > inch (25mm) from my clumsy fingers to the white surface I work on...and > disappeared. Does anyone else find these tiny black holes forming in their > work surfaces, they're also commonly found under motorcycle > engines. I find > they tend to be just big enough to disappear a tiny but > irreplaceable part. > So I ordered another PE sheet from Mssrs. Eduard. Sigh. A spare or two > would be nice. > I'm painting the engine today, hopefully I won't lose it. > > BTW how do I switch from digest to normal list, can't find that one in the > help file...? > > Keep up the good work > Regards > Fraser > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:55:05 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: OT Bananas? Message-ID: <001f01c16c20$e70e1e60$236e160a@CSP00> Gaston, you wondered: > "Pisangs". I found no translation for the word, but in an old encyclopedia > from the 1950's I found an explanation for it. It is said it originates from > the Malayan language, meaning nothing but "Banana", but the word > "Pisang-Fresser" in German was a common insult used in the first half of the > past century, meaning "Banana Eater". > > Is anybody familiar with this designation? Was the word "Pisang" maybe used > with the English language as well? Could it be possible, that some Germans > called the French "Banana Eater" because France possessed colonies where > they planted their own bananas while the Germans had to import them for > expensive prices? Not sure about why Boelcke used the word, but "Pisang " is the word for a banana not only in Bahasa Melayu (the language spoken over here in Malaysia), but also in Bahasa Indones (the very similar language they're speaking in Indonesia). Now Malaya/Malaysia was a British colony at that time (indeed until 1957), but I'd rather guess the word was adapted in Germany under *Dutch* influence (the Netherlands being the colonial power for today's Indonesia), with the Dutch being the most likely banana suppliers to Germany. And yes, bananas were already available at that time - the banana being a rather easy fruit to transport. See also the German word "Bananendampfer" (already in use at that time) for the typical small freighters used for transport between Asia (and the Caribbean) and Europe. Volker (who incidentally is reacting allergic against bananas...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 01:05:53 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: OT Movie: The Lost Battalion Message-ID: <20011113090553.93607.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Hi List, For those of you that get Arts & Entertainment channel, they will be premiering a movie titled, "The Lost Battalion", on December 2. Previews look good. Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:47:02 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tyllstr=F6m_M=E5rten?= To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: New upload Message-ID: Thanks Matt and others. Looks as if need to send in some more "central power" stuff to get the right balance. M錼ten -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bittner [mailto:tbittners@sprintmail.com] Sent: den 12 november 2001 18:00 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] New upload I just uploaded a new image of Mfrten Tyllstr"m's Sikorsky S.16 to his pages, as well as reformat his area. Very nice model!!! Matt Bittner WW1 Site Assistant Editor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:50:16 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Next up - albatros Message-ID: <006a01c16c28$99ce2480$0200a8c0@x.pl> Fraser! The same Eduard (but 1/72 E.V/D.VIII), the same Cental Europe (but sunny Warsaw) On Sunday I've lost clear film with instruments for my Fokker. It was cut and ready, laying on white paper on my desk. Phone called, I went to talk, when I came back, there was no even track of that part.... Ces't la vie! Grzegorz > Good morning from rainy Prague, > I've just given up looking for the end cap to a machine gun what dropped 1 > inch (25mm) from my clumsy fingers to the white surface I work on...and > disappeared. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:51:29 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport questions Message-ID: <007201c16c28$c558b020$0200a8c0@x.pl> Thanks, Mike! This is what I needed! Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:54:08 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: OT Bananas? Message-ID: <007c01c16c29$2428d800$0200a8c0@x.pl> Gaston! Do you have somewhere full list of airplanes (at least types) which Boelcke was using? I'm especially interested in Fokkers E.IV (painting and number of guns). G. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:03:11 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Sikorski wheels Message-ID: <008201c16c2a$67e87b80$0200a8c0@x.pl> Michael and Steven! > > I don't know. perhaps an experiment in making the landing and take-off > more > > stable. Given the genius of the designer, I would say "Trust him". I realy don't trust him. He installed 3rd wing on Ilia Muromiec A-1 (nr 107), in the middle of fuselage, between wings and tailplane, which caused crash in first flight! Also he made 'walking gallery' on top of fuselage, for ladies and gentelmen... This is not his fault, this is fault of early times... He was genius, but in that times many things were made randomly and sometimes without sense, in all countries. > In The Winged S, Sikorski makes much of the often soft ground they flew > from. Perhaps the 4 wheels were a concession to this. > sp This sounds good explanation - St. Petersburg is built on swamps! I've been there and I've seen that. Greetings! Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 07:52:55 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: raw fokker Message-ID: <02d101c16c31$59a0eb00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Check this model! http://www.dakotacom.net/~robertz/fokker_page.html Cetrainly, there are people crazier than me D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:49:03 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: RE: Rio Claro open contest Message-ID: <001d01c16c41$93498eb0$5d1ba8c0@officesp.starmedia> Hello, Shane and folks! > You are very lucky to have so many contests so close. True. S鉶 Paulo State has many modeling clubs. Thanks to a virtual forum called Webkits.com.br, these groups are increasing contact and exchaging experiences, and I believe in 2002 we'll have a complete schedule, with contests almost every month and with a certain distance between them, so modelers can attend them all without worrying about travelling twice a month or such things. > Congratulations to Adriano indeed. And to *you* for competing, and for > taking the time to let us enjoy the shows, even if only be > email and... :-) I just try my best to tell you how funny it was. And I'm very happy and proud to report that Brazilian listees added medals to the list tally. > > Pictures are already in the laboratory. More news later, ok? > > Can't wait. I got them yesterday and they are great, better than the Pfalz ones. Michael Kendix gave me some tips off-list and I added a little experience by myself. Thanks! > every show is > an opportunity to enlist more members. Of course! There was a small discussion in the forum (webkits) about the lack of a WWI category in many contests, so OT planes join P*7, P*1 and B***9 in generic categories. I wrote that by now, some conests don't have enough OT entries to make a split category, but we must work to change it, and the best way to do it is building more WWI aircraft and showing people how interesting these little birds are. Well, it means there are people interested in WWI. I'm contacting these people slowly and telling them about the list. And this is one more reason for making my website in Portuguese. I realized that many modelers here don't speak English well enough to collect references. > I must also take a chance of earning Allans ire - by wishing > your national > football team good luck for next week. It looks like they > need it to avoid > the ferocious Australians ;-) Thanks, friend! If we don't beat Venezuela, so we are really in trouble :-D (sorry, Al!) All the best from Brazil Marcio Antonio Campos Redator do GuiaSP StarMedia do Brasil +55 11 30436421 marcio.campos@starmedia.net http://www.guiasp.com.br http://www.guiarj.com.br http://www.nacidade.com.br ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:13:41 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: raw fokker Message-ID: <002501c16c98$d6db2740$7912cecb@umber> Wow could we some of the 1/72 guys here doing this too. ;) What a great idea for doing a model. Looks very well built and detailed. Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:48 PM Subject: [WWI] raw fokker | Check this model! | http://www.dakotacom.net/~robertz/fokker_page.html | Cetrainly, there are people crazier than me | D. | | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 06:19:04 -0800 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: raw fokker Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 07:15:56 -0500 (EST), Ross Moorhouse wrote: > Wow could we some of the 1/72 guys here doing this too. ;) Look on the site and look at Alberto Casirati's stunning work. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:18:24 From: mtrl@163.net To: wwi@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: 北京上海所有食杂店地址电话 Message-ID: <20011113121613.6456B1C8BEE93@smtp2.yeah.net> 北京上海所有食杂店地址电话邮编 有了它们，发送各种宣传材料可就方便多了！ 想购买它们，请发mail给我。 mtrl@163.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:27:56 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: raw fokker Message-ID: <032901c16c3e$a05ff560$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Alberto Casirati did it! http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Casirati/German/FokEV-front.jpg D. PS: Ross, did you got the envelope of the 504? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross Moorhouse To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:15 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: raw fokker > Wow could we some of the 1/72 guys here doing this too. ;) > > What a great idea for doing a model. Looks very well built and detailed. > > Ross ------------------------------ Date: 13 Nov 2001 04:46:37 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: raw fokker Message-ID: <20011113124637.9659.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Tue, 13 November 2001, "Diego Fernetti" wrote: > > Check this model! > http://www.dakotacom.net/~robertz/fokker_page.html > Cetrainly, there are people crazier than me > D. Diego Thanks for the link - That DVIII is a beautiful piece of work! I am surprised that the airlerons and wing are covered with wood - is that correct? If so - what was the benefit of wooden airlerons? even in WW2 they were fabric covered Wierd how the page loads so slow - but then the images come up fast - they must be loading up front somehow. Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:48:28 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: RE: I come back!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <034a01c16c49$dffd0cc0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Mart韓! > I presented my Sopwith Triplano in 1/48 (Eduard,modified with some added > details). > I obtained 80/100,which put me in 4th place Well done! Congratulations! You must get the First Prize the next time. > the most accepted one ,was to > build a series of thin washers alterning bigger and smaller ones round the > central stem,fixed to the engine's body, You make a hip until you build the > cilinder.It sounded logic. > They said that these washers could be made with a special punch or by PE, > until here the discussion. IIRC a modeler form the US named Derek Brown who has been very succesful making radial engine cylinder fins with stacked styrene discs. I guess that PE discs on a very fine gauge would be more appropiate for scale appearance but it must be extremely difficult to mount without a central "core" to align the pieces. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 07:48:09 -0600 From: Peter Mullin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Lame adhesive Q Message-ID: <3BF12499.D339F5D9@biocomp.unl.edu> For a long time, I've relied on CA and good ol' Testor's liquid cement (the kind in the bottle with the big horkin' brush attached to the lid), along with Ailene's Tacky Glue for all my adhesive needs. Supplies of the Testor's reaching a low point, I picked up a bottle of Tenax 7-R on a recent order. Now, I tried it out on my current build project (an extremely-ot HO diner kit) and was amazed at the, um, lack of anything resembling "space-age plastic welding" that occurred. Anyone have any experience with this stuff? Any tips and tricks? Thanks! -- Peter Mullin Department of Plant Pathology University of Nebraska-Lincoln 406 Plant Sciences Hall Lincoln, NE 68583-0722 (402) 472-5770 FAX: (402) 472-2853 ------------------------------ Date: 13 Nov 2001 05:48:37 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: raw fokker Message-ID: <20011113134837.12340.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Tue, 13 November 2001, "Ross Moorhouse" wrote: > > Wow could we some of the 1/72 guys here doing this too. ;) You 1/72 guys got it easy ;-) Eduard makes the 1/72 "strip down" kits for a couple of WW1 AC - Eindecker and I think a Camel Better like dealing with PE though I wonder how difficult it would be to make a 1/48 scale kit like this. I suppose it would be considerably more difficult/expensive because you would not be able to rely on PE as much and a lot of parts would have to molded. In any case - I would definitly buy one!! How thick can PE parts be made ? Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 06:17:40 -0800 (PST) From: Artur Golebiewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Decals Needed Message-ID: <20011113141740.841.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eric Hotz wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone know where to go to get custom made > decals for a model? Does anyone on this list make > decals, and if they do, do they take on small > commissions? > Try Mike Grant at decals@mikegrantdesign.com, just the other day me and a friend were able to successfully talk him into making the 1 48 Austrian Sworl camouflage. The price was very attractive too. Give him a try. Artur __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:16:27 +0200 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: OT Bananas? Message-ID: <3BF12B3B.FF94F29B@helsinki.fi> Gaston, My guess is that MvR used sort of phonetic form of the french word 'paysan'. I don't know about others but to me it makes perfectly sense when you read the description. Jan > strange words Oswald Boelcke used at his time! In his letter from September > 4, 1915 he talks about two missed men who returned after they had spend five > days in the Argonne forest, eating berries and roots until they finally ran > into a German Dragon patrol. He wrote they had to land on enemy territory > after their engine quit. They had barely landed as the "Pisangs" came for > them from all sides, roaring men and screaming women, but they escaped into > a nearby little wood where they was waiting for the nightfall because it got > encircled. They then managed to escape into the Argonne forest. Boelcke > refers to the men and women - who certainly was French civilians - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:42:01 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: Sikorski wheels Message-ID: >From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" >I realy don't trust him. He installed 3rd wing on Ilia Muromiec A-1 >(nr 107), in the middle of fuselage, between wings and tailplane, >which caused crash in first flight! >Also he made 'walking gallery' on top of fuselage, for ladies and >gentelmen... This is not his fault, this is fault of early times... >He was genius, but in that times many things were made randomly and >sometimes without sense, in all countries. Sure, but an extra set of wheels is a little less drastic than adding a wing to the Ilya Mourametz:). Of course, this was a time of major experimentation and lacked the safety precautions that are (hopefully) in place today for prototype testing. Maybe not though since the head of security retired from the FAA and took a plum job at Argenbright. Michael Michael > > In The Winged S, Sikorski makes much of the often soft ground they >flew > > from. Perhaps the 4 wheels were a concession to this. > > sp >This sounds good explanation - St. Petersburg is built on swamps! >I've been there and I've seen that. > >Greetings! >Grzegorz > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:48:42 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: raw fokker Message-ID: >From: Mark Miller > >I am surprised that the airlerons and wing are covered with wood - is >that >correct? I think it is indeed correct. Didn't the E.V have plywood covered wings? >If so - what was the benefit of wooden airlerons? even in WW2 they >were >fabric covered Don't know. Over to the techies ----> Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3887 **********************