WWI Digest 3883 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: 11th November - Polonia Restituta! by Witold Kozakiewicz 2) Re: Berthold by Jasta38DD@aol.com 3) 11th November - "Armistice Day" by Shane Weier 4) Re: Roseplanes Kits by Todd Hayes 5) Re: Roseplanes Kits by Shane Weier 6) Kits F/S by zbob@att.net 7) Fokker Fighters by Crowood Press? by Todd Hayes 8) Re: Roseplanes Kits by Todd Hayes 9) Meikraft Caproni Ca.3 for sale by "David Calhoun" 10) Re: Roseplanes Kits by Shane Weier 11) Re: Roseplanes Kits by "Matt Bittner" 12) Re: Roseplanes Kits by Shane Weier 13) Re: Roseplanes Kits by "Matt Bittner" 14) Question by "Steven Perry" 15) RE: Question by Shane Weier 16) Finished one by "Steven Perry" 17) Re: Finished one by "Matt Bittner" 18) Re: Fokker Fighters by Crowood Press? by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 19) Re: Finished one by "Tom Plesha" 20) AFV BBQ.... by "Ross Moorhouse" 21) Re: Finished one by "ibs4421" 22) Jacobs' Jasta 7 Alb D.V by "Michael Kendix" 23) Re: Burrows, William E.: Richthofen. A true history of the Rred Baron. by "Gaston Graf" 24) Re: Burrows, William E.: Richthofen. A true history of the Rred Baron. by Todd Hayes 25) Re: Burrows, William E.: Richthofen. A true history of the Rred Baron. by Todd Hayes 26) Re: Fokker Fighters by Crowood Press? by Todd Hayes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:23:01 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 11th November - Polonia Restituta! Message-ID: <3BEF0855.6040901@bg.am.lodz.pl> Thanks for all wishes about our Independence Day. 11.11.1918 was only begining. Next three years we were fighting or negotiatinig for final shape of our borders. Wars against Ukraine, Russia, Lithuania, four uprisings against Germany. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:42:14 EST From: Jasta38DD@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Berthold Message-ID: I wonder whether the Berthold strangulation story has been somehow transposed from the very similar demise of August Schtink http://wwimodeler.com/j38dd/others.html Hptm Ritter (Dipl Ing) Karl Otto Titzlinger Late of His Imperial Majesty's Jasta 38DD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:46:18 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: 11th November - "Armistice Day" Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD73B@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Hi all, Armistice Day yesterday in Australia, and still not forgotten. An unusual sidelight - last night, at 7pm Melbourne time, Australia played France at football (soccer) The game started after the sounding of The Last Post - timed to be at 11am on 11/11 *Paris* time. Our relationship to our visitors was not forgotten either. Shane (Australia 1 France 1 ) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 15:48:36 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roseplanes Kits Message-ID: <20011111234836.10469.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Percptive, yes. Btw, this is December isn't it? --- Matt Bittner wrote: > On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 19:46:02 -0500 (EST), Todd Hayes > wrote: > > > I get the distinct impression that you and Matt > aren't > > into 1:48? > > Gee, you *are* perceptive, aren't you! ;-) > > > Matt Bittner > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:15:40 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Roseplanes Kits Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD73C@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Matt suggests: > > I thought a post from a while ago mentioned some > > planned kits from Roseplanes in 1:48. Does anyone > > know about these or was I hallucinating? > > The only Balloon Jobs I know of from Barry is the F.I conversion. > Otherwise he would be beaten about the head and neck with a wet noodle > by us Builders of the Proper Scale, 1/72nd. :-) It *had* in fact occurred to me that you 1/72 builders would indeed have limp wet noodles....... Shane (almost finished a 1/72 Dr.1) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:25:51 +0000 From: zbob@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Kits F/S Message-ID: <20011112002552.KWGI11294.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> I have a list of 1/72 and 1/48 kits for sale, plus some publications. Prices are based on Burns' Value Guide. If interested, please contact me off-list. Bob Fabris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 17:39:28 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Fokker Fighters by Crowood Press? Message-ID: <20011112013928.19089.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Out There, Would someone that has this book care to comment on it? I'm thinking hard about buying a copy. TIA Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 17:41:07 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roseplanes Kits Message-ID: <20011112014107.97740.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> So it's only a partial disability then since you also do 1/48? --- Shane Weier wrote: > Matt suggests: > > > > I thought a post from a while ago mentioned some > > > planned kits from Roseplanes in 1:48. Does > anyone > > > know about these or was I hallucinating? > > > > The only Balloon Jobs I know of from Barry is the > F.I conversion. > > Otherwise he would be beaten about the head and > neck with a wet noodle > > by us Builders of the Proper Scale, 1/72nd. :-) > > It *had* in fact occurred to me that you 1/72 > builders would indeed have > limp wet noodles....... > > Shane > > (almost finished a 1/72 Dr.1) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is > confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, > distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are > requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to > the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:52:37 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Meikraft Caproni Ca.3 for sale Message-ID: <002a01c16b35$db028a20$e7d33ccc@oemcomputer> Hi everybody, I was able to obtain a rare out of production Meikraft Models Caproni Ca.3 kit in 1/72 scale. It is in complete condition, but the box & decals were water damaged. I think the decals are unusable, but can be scanned for an ALPS printer. The metal, photoetched parts & wire are all in the original plastic bags, and all styrene parts appear to be complete. I am selling it for the best offer, rather than putting it on ebay. Anyone interested in buying it can e-mail me a bid, and I will sell it to the highest offer. In able to let everyone bid on it ( I lost out too many times to the first response for kits offered) I will take all bids up to Monday 11/12/01 at 9:00 pm est. At that time I will contact the highest bidder. In the event of a tie, I will go by the earliest bid sent. Since I am currently not subscribed to the list, anyone interested in bidding please e-mail me at: dcalhoun01@snet.net. Buyer to pay actual shipping charge - I will ship world wide. Thanks, Dave Calhoun ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:47:19 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Roseplanes Kits Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD73F@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Todd, > So it's only a partial disability then since you also > do 1/48? Keee-rect. I never hid the fact that I'm biscalar - but I must admit that the little ones don't get me as excited as the big ones ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:05:05 -0800 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Roseplanes Kits Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:18:29 -0500 (EST), Shane Weier wrote: > It *had* in fact occurred to me that you 1/72 builders would indeed have > limp wet noodles....... But only when thinking of building in 1/48th... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:10:46 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Roseplanes Kits Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD740@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Matt > But only when thinking of building in 1/48th... Fantasising again Matt? Shane > ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:16:14 -0800 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Roseplanes Kits Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 21:14:55 -0500 (EST), Shane Weier wrote: > Fantasising again Matt? More like nightmares... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:02:05 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Question Message-ID: <003d01c16b26$6962daa0$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> When was the first use of counter rotating propellers. Pre-WWI, WWI or post-WWI? I know about the Seimens-Halske engines, but I'm talking about two props going in opposite directions. tia sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:02:48 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Question Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD743@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> SP > When was the first use of counter rotating propellers. Pre-WWI, WWI or > post-WWI? The PKZ "helicopter" used contra props. Don't know about pre-OT though Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:37:21 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Finished one Message-ID: <004701c16b2b$56d2b5e0$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> I finished a Pegasus Bristol M.1c. I got the kit in trade from a List member, but I cannot remember who it was. My apologies for my memory and thanks again for the kit. It is an early Pegasus kit. No white metal or decals. Very thick molding that took some cleanup. Builder expected to scratch kingpost, U/C and tailskid, but actual size templates given on the plans. A buildable kit with some work. Mine is finished as one of 150 squadron based in Salonica. I have to find some black tail numbers to complete it as a specific airframe. Photos at: http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sperry03/m1c.htm sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 21:37:13 -0800 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Finished one Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:35:58 -0500 (EST), Steven Perry wrote: > I finished a Pegasus Bristol M.1c. I got the kit in trade from a List > member, but I cannot remember who it was. My apologies for my memory and > thanks again for the kit. Looks great!! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:07:44 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fokker Fighters by Crowood Press? Message-ID: <002701c16b2f$9cd31a40$236e160a@CSP00> Todd, this book was just discussed on "the other" forum under http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/YaBB.cgi?board=aircraft&action=display&num =1005303244 and did draw generally favorable comments. However, I must say I somewhat disagree with those comments. I had a (rather short, I admit) look on this book in a bookshop a few months ago and found little of additional information or new photos inside. It depends on what other sources you got, I'd guess. If you own (for example) the Windsock collection on Fokker Fighters, the Imrie Vintage Warbirds and Dr I book and the old Weyl book (and yes, I'm aware of this books inaccuracies or phantasies), I'd say you better save your money... However, quite useful as a general reference on Fokker Fighters, if you don't have much else. Volker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Hayes" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 9:41 AM Subject: [WWI] Fokker Fighters by Crowood Press? > Hello Out There, > > Would someone that has this book care to comment on > it? I'm thinking hard about buying a copy. > > > TIA > > Todd > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:44:12 -0500 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: Finished one Message-ID: <000d01c16b2c$4b8190c0$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Very nice! Later Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Perry" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 10:35 PM Subject: [WWI] Finished one > I finished a Pegasus Bristol M.1c. I got the kit in trade from a List > member, but I cannot remember who it was. My apologies for my memory and > thanks again for the kit. > > It is an early Pegasus kit. No white metal or decals. Very thick molding > that took some cleanup. Builder expected to scratch kingpost, U/C and > tailskid, but actual size templates given on the plans. A buildable kit with > some work. > > Mine is finished as one of 150 squadron based in Salonica. I have to find > some black tail numbers to complete it as a specific airframe. > > Photos at: http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sperry03/m1c.htm > > sp > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 02:33:02 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: AFV BBQ.... Message-ID: <00f501c16b8f$52a31780$c313cecb@umber> Hi all, Just asking if anyone has anything they would like to submit for the AFV BBQ? http://www.geocities.com/y_future/ Maybe a kit write up, or some pics or maybe you have painted a figure? Cheers Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 21:57:37 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: Finished one Message-ID: <01eb01c16b2e$2bd17720$893dfad1@ibs4421> Looks great Steven! Warren ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 04:17:20 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Jacobs' Jasta 7 Alb D.V Message-ID: Any other representations or information of this profile? I have the Albatros Aces book and Bob Pearson's CD. Was the lozenge span or chordwise? TIA, Michael P.S. Sanjeev and I went over to Bob "Caproni" Wheeler today with Sanjeev's digital camera. We hope to have a bunch of his suff available for viewing in a week or two. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 06:32:19 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Re: Burrows, William E.: Richthofen. A true history of the Rred Baron. Message-ID: Thanks for the advice, Todd, I will not order it yet. I found a few nice book treasures yesterday and look forward to receive them all. Among the books is a newspaper from 9. Nov. 1916 which holds a five page report about the death of Oswald Boelcke. As always, anything new will be available at Jasta Boelcke. happy reading Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > Gaston, > > I've read it several times when I was growing up. > It's a decent book, but I'd say it's more for younger > readers than adults. Still it's fun reading. > > Todd ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 21:44:39 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Burrows, William E.: Richthofen. A true history of the Rred Baron. Message-ID: <20011112054439.39806.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Gaston, I'm not sure if it was by Burrows, but there was also a comparable book about Capt.A.R. Brown. That and the Richthofen book were two of my favorites as a kid. I probably learned how to spell Richthofen's name before I could spell my own because of those books and my father. Todd --- Gaston Graf wrote: > Thanks for the advice, Todd, I will not order it > yet. I found a few nice > book treasures yesterday and look forward to receive > them all. Among the > books is a newspaper from 9. Nov. 1916 which holds a > five page report about > the death of Oswald Boelcke. > As always, anything new will be available at Jasta > Boelcke. > > happy reading > > Gaston Graf > (ggraf@vo.lu) > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" > at: > http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > > > Gaston, > > > > I've read it several times when I was growing up. > > It's a decent book, but I'd say it's more for > younger > > readers than adults. Still it's fun reading. > > > > Todd > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 21:46:23 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Burrows, William E.: Richthofen. A true history of the Rred Baron. Message-ID: <20011112054623.16852.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> That would be a good beginners book for a kid to learn about Richtofen from. --- Gaston Graf wrote: > Thanks for the advice, Todd, I will not order it > yet. I found a few nice > book treasures yesterday and look forward to receive > them all. Among the > books is a newspaper from 9. Nov. 1916 which holds a > five page report about > the death of Oswald Boelcke. > As always, anything new will be available at Jasta > Boelcke. > > happy reading > > Gaston Graf > (ggraf@vo.lu) > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" > at: > http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > > > Gaston, > > > > I've read it several times when I was growing up. > > It's a decent book, but I'd say it's more for > younger > > readers than adults. Still it's fun reading. > > > > Todd > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 21:53:40 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fokker Fighters by Crowood Press? Message-ID: <20011112055340.92970.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Volker, All I have is the Imrie Pictorial book (Vintage Warbirds), the WS Dr.I Datafile Special, and the Squadron Fokker books. Do you think the Crowood book would add very much that these don't have? Also, do you know if Fokker Team-Schoendorf is still in operation? I haven't heard anything from them for months. Todd --- Volker_Häusler wrote: > Todd, > > this book was just discussed on "the other" forum > under > > http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/YaBB.cgi?board=aircraft&action=display&num > =1005303244 > > and did draw generally favorable comments. > > However, I must say I somewhat disagree with those > comments. I had a (rather > short, I admit) look on this book in a bookshop a > few months ago and found > little of additional information or new photos > inside. It depends on what > other sources you got, I'd guess. If you own (for > example) the Windsock > collection on Fokker Fighters, the Imrie Vintage > Warbirds and Dr I book and > the old Weyl book (and yes, I'm aware of this books > inaccuracies or > phantasies), I'd say you better save your money... > > However, quite useful as a general reference on > Fokker Fighters, if you > don't have much else. > > Volker > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd Hayes" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 9:41 AM > Subject: [WWI] Fokker Fighters by Crowood Press? > > > > Hello Out There, > > > > Would someone that has this book care to comment > on > > it? I'm thinking hard about buying a copy. > > > > > > TIA > > > > Todd > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Find a job, post your resume. > > http://careers.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3883 **********************