WWI Digest 3843 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? by "Lee M." 2) Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? by "Lee M." 3) Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? by "Lee M." 4) interior loz by "Tom Plesha" 5) Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 6) Re: camel fuselage undersurface by Ray Boorman 7) Re: camel fuselage undersurface by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 8) Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? by Todd Hayes 9) Begging for Decals by "diaphus" 10) Jasta fuselage markings by "diaphus" 11) SHORTS AIRCRAFT by JVT7532@aol.com 12) Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? by Scottfking@aol.com 13) Re: Aviation Artist? by "Graham Hunter" 14) Odp: Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 15) RE: Odp: Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? by "Graham Hunter" 16) RE: Techmod lozenge by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 17) RE: Techmod lozenge by "Graham Hunter" 18) Lone Star Models 1:48 Sablatnig SF.2/5 by Todd Hayes 19) Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? by "Lee M." 20) Book Opinions Wanted: Above Flanders' Fields by Todd Hayes 21) Re: Star of David Albatros (again) by Todd Hayes 22) Re: Pegasus Poll by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 23) RE: Techmod lozenge by Witold Kozakiewicz 24) Re: camel fuselage undersurface by Witold Kozakiewicz 25) Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? by "Steven Perry" 26) Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 27) SE5a's of Rhys-Davids by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 28) Re: Jasta fuselage markings by IRAtrumpet@aol.com 29) Re: SHORTS AIRCRAFT by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 30) Re: Jasta fuselage markings by Mark Miller ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:58:29 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? Message-ID: <3BDB3C15.F5676387@x25.net> At this adress: http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Ger/Fok_EV/index.html there are several photos showing Lozenge inside a Fokker D-VIII/ E-V. the colors are reversed as would be expected but they are not all that much lighter than those on the outside. Photos were taken showing the cockpit sidewalls and a few were taken straight into the nose of the plane before the Engine was mounted. That shows the side walls and the plywood as well as the seat and pedals The gloss coating went completely through the fabric and dried slight glossy while the outside dried with full gloss Lee M. LEONARDPeterL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 27/10/01 17:15:28 GMT Daylight Time, grzem@yahoo.com > writes: > > << I think that int-lozenge should be pale. Am I right? > Grzegorz >> > > If we are reeeeeally going to be anal about this then it should also be > reversed. How about scanning it in and printing a toned down reversed verion > in thin paper and sticking that inside. > > just a thought > > Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 18:01:06 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? Message-ID: <3BDB3CB2.2A38C412@x25.net> The D-VIII/ E-V plane is totally finished and has been shipped to the Army Museum at Fort, Rucker, Alabama. I believe it is on display. Lee M. Tom Solinski wrote: > I believe if you hunt around the site, there are some pictures of a yet to > be finished 1:1 D-VIII out in the sunshine. The loz color inside is almost > as bold as the stuff on the outside. > > When you dope a color on the outer surface of linnen, the linnen remains > light colored on the back side, with just a little of the color bleeding > through at the holes. > > Loz was printed fabric. On some small samples I have, the color on the back > side is as strong as the front side with the exception that there are more > white threads showing. > > I'd opt for applying the standard decal then shoot a very light coat of > white or light tan over it. > > MTC > > Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 18:05:01 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? Message-ID: <3BDB3D9C.607D0F99@x25.net> Any color change would depend on whether the outside had been gloss coated and sealed before the Black was applied. With sealing other colors remain on the opposite side of the fabric, and, with black less, or no, light would pass thru. With internal illumination, of the fabric, the colors would still be bright. Lee M. Grzegorz Mazurowski wrote: > Thanks Peter and Tom! > I'm not THAT anal - to care about reversing lozenge :-) I knew it, > but I don't want to complicate things... > > Loz was printed fabric. On some small samples I have, the color on > the back > > side is as strong as the front side with the exception that there > are more > > white threads showing. > OK, but what happens when you PAINT lozenge fabric with solid yellow > and black on the outer side? > G. > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:02:09 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: interior loz Message-ID: <000d01c15f3b$68c5fec0$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> FWIW- I have seen photos of both the interior loz as bright as the exterior and photos where the loz are not quite as bright and show what appears to be grey fabric threads muting the brightness. Later Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 00:16:03 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? Message-ID: <00cf01c15f34$f87156c0$0200a8c0@x.pl> Thanks, Lee! I've seen that. My problem is, what looks int. lozenge, painted outside with yellow and black. I'm not even sure if my plane (Sachsenberg's) was lozenge covered? G. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:39:59 -0700 From: Ray Boorman To: Subject: Re: camel fuselage undersurface Message-ID: <20011027234601.NGMR13979.priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray> Whatever colour the upper fuselage was coloured. As in PC10 or PC12. This is pretty common for most Sopwith Aircraft. On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:54:34 -0400 (EDT), Grzegorz Mazurowski wrote: >Hi! >Childish question, but I don't know the answer: >What was typicall colour of Camel's fuselage undersurfaces? CDL or >PC-10? >G. > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:23:23 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: camel fuselage undersurface Message-ID: <000501c15f3e$60122ee0$0200a8c0@x.pl> Thanks, Ray! G. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:13:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? Message-ID: <20011028001312.28609.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Grzegorz, I think it was probably originally covered with lozenge. Americal/Gryphon does interior lozenge in both 4 and 5 colors. It's based on the upper-surface lozenge, is reversed, and slightly lighter and more muted than the regular lozenge. To represent the few threads of fabric that didn't get dyed in the originals, Americals suggest using an airbrush at arm's length or greater, depending on the scale, and shooting a slight mist of CDL towards the lozenge decal. Todd --- Grzegorz Mazurowski wrote: > Thanks, Lee! > I've seen that. My problem is, what looks int. > lozenge, painted > outside with yellow and black. I'm not even sure if > my plane > (Sachsenberg's) was lozenge covered? > G. > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 20:59:00 -0400 From: "diaphus" To: Subject: Begging for Decals Message-ID: <000b01c15f4b$bbaabf80$14652241@tampabay.rr.com> Yep, that's what I am reduced to - specifically, if anyone has the late war cross decals from the Eduard 1/72nd scale Fokker Dr.I that they are not using, I will happily trade them my "Maltese" crosses from same or cover shipping or whatever. I am in need of the fuselage side crosses especially, due to a mishap that I'd rather not talk about :-) Jack Gartner diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:01:00 -0400 From: "diaphus" To: Subject: Jasta fuselage markings Message-ID: <001301c15f4c$02bedaa0$14652241@tampabay.rr.com> I am curious - for the Jasta's that painted portions of the fuselage with the Jasta colors, did the color extend to the undersides as well, i.e., wrap all the way around the fuselage, or just to the tops and sides? TIA Jack Gartner diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:13:17 EDT From: JVT7532@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: SHORTS AIRCRAFT Message-ID: --part1_d2.e5893b3.290cb5ad_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SHORTS AIRCRAFT SINCE 1900 Item # 1479293403 Found this on ebay tonight while scanning the pages. Anyone have any comments on it? Best regards, Jon Jon V. Theisen 7532 Lawndale Ave. Phila., PA 19111-2706 --part1_d2.e5893b3.290cb5ad_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SHORTS AIRCRAFT SINCE 1900
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--part1_d2.e5893b3.290cb5ad_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:14:30 EDT From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? Message-ID: <162.2fe8eb0.290cb5f6@aol.com> In a message dated 10/27/01 11:15:28 AM EST, grzem@yahoo.com writes: << I think that int-lozenge should be pale. Am I right? >> Probably. Technically pattern should also be reversed, since this would be the backside of the printed fabric. I went throught this exercise on my 1/48 EV, but most people wouldn't know to look, and to be honest I really can't see enough to tell. If you think the lozenge looks too bright on the interior, you could overspray it with a coat of clear with a little off white mixed in. Scott (Skippy) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 20:28:48 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: Re: Aviation Artist? Message-ID: <000501c15f4f$e556a340$fa0101c0@grahamh> Brad Wrote; < To: Subject: Odp: Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? Message-ID: <009301c15f49$80f9f240$0200a8c0@x.pl> Thanks! I've used normal lozenge, and then brushed it with white very-watered acrylics. For me, it now looks like on photos of that replica on our webpage. G. > If you think the lozenge looks too bright on the interior, you could > overspray it with a coat of clear with a little off white mixed in. > > Scott (Skippy) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:29:31 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Odp: Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? Message-ID: <000b01c15f58$605db800$fa0101c0@grahamh> Has anyone tried putting on the decal backwards. That is the the finished side in and the "glue" side out. I would guess that if you left it in the water long enough you would get rid of most of the glue and if you used Micro Sol instead of Set it should stick. As long as the lozenge decal does not have a white backing. Are there any Brands that don't have full white backing. I know the lozenge that comes with Eduard kits has white backing. I am using Techmod right now but I can't recall if it has a solid white backing or not... HTH, Graham ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 03:48:10 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: RE: Techmod lozenge Message-ID: <009f01c15f5a$fbc56e80$0200a8c0@x.pl> And what is your opinion about it? G. > I am using Techmod right now but I can't recall if it has a solid white > backing or not... > > HTH, Graham _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:28:51 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Techmod lozenge Message-ID: <001101c15f60$aae1abe0$fa0101c0@grahamh> They are good. I use AeroSetII/SolII and they set down nicely. The registration is a bit on the garrish side but with alittle weathering not to bad when finished. The 5 colours are lighter in tone than the Eagle Strike offering and quite abit lighter than Copper States. I really prefer the darker Copper State but I didn't have any for my Pfalz D.IIIa and my local Shop had some Techmod. Regards, Graham ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:13:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Lone Star Models 1:48 Sablatnig SF.2/5 Message-ID: <20011028051339.56703.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, Has anyone heard about the availability of the LSM Sablatnig kit? Last time I heard about it from Mike West, he said all he needed was to do the instructions. That was around 7 months ago. No reply to my most recent inquiries to him. Anyone else know anything about it? Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 00:32:03 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? Message-ID: <3BDB9853.1FE4239A@x25.net> You can see inside and outside fabric at: http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Ger/Fok_EV/index.html The ink goes all the way through the fabric to the other side and it is close to the same color if illuminated, but , it is a bit less bright and looks a bit faded which it isn't. The gloss dope top coat does come inside a bit but it does dry rather rapidly .... Pattern is absolutely reversed since the dye printing does go all the way through the material. Lee M. Scottfking@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/27/01 11:15:28 AM EST, grzem@yahoo.com writes: > > << I think that int-lozenge should be pale. Am I right? >> > > Probably. Technically pattern should also be reversed, since this would be > the backside of the printed fabric. I went throught this exercise on my 1/48 > EV, but most people wouldn't know to look, and to be honest I really can't > see enough to tell. > If you think the lozenge looks too bright on the interior, you could > overspray it with a coat of clear with a little off white mixed in. > > Scott (Skippy) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 00:08:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Book Opinions Wanted: Above Flanders' Fields Message-ID: <20011028070807.62194.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone, Can someone give me some information about "Above Flanders' Fields: A Complete History of the Belgian Airforce in WW1", by Walter Pietr, from Grub Street Press"? Is it a good book? More of a story than just data? Worth $23? Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 00:42:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Star of David Albatros (again) Message-ID: <20011028074217.55221.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Eduard's forthcoming re-release of the 1:48 Albatros (#8109) D.V features these markings on the boxart. --- Mark Miller wrote: > Neil > > I agree the lines look pretty thick > At least, thicker than what I got. > But when I looked at that photo and didn't get the > feeling that I could tell exactly how *thick* the > lines were. I be interested in your interpretation. > Anyway could you generate artwork which would > clarify the appearence of this symbol. > > or better yet - > I have done artwork for this scheme already - I > could send you my interpretation and you could "mark > it up" > My original is in CorelDraw but I could export it to > almost any vector or raster based format. > > just a thought :-) > Mark Miller > > > > On Fri, 26 October 2001, "Neil Eddy" wrote: > > > > > Hi Everyone; > > > > Just coming out of weekend Lurk to follow up on > yesterday's thread re the > > Star of David Albatros. I took my print out of > this photograph last night, > > scanned it, and then enlarged the section that > showed the Star of David and > > IMHO I would say the answer is that the width of > the triangles is thicker > > rather than thinner. You can see the black > triangle relatively clearly and > > it seems to be thicker than represented in the > Superstrike decal. This does > > not necesarily translate that the Eduard decal is > 100% correct but does > > point towards this depiction as probably being > more correct. I have also > > attempted to take into account photographic > limitations and perceptual > > differences in my assessment. > > > > I dont wish to start any flame wars or anything, I > was just curious as to > > which was more correct (in my opinion both look > striking). If anyone wants a > > copy of the scan, let me know off list and I'll > send one to you. > > > > All the Best > > > > Neil E. > > > Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista > Shopping! > http://www.shopping.altavista.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 12:52:30 +0100 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: Re: Pegasus Poll Message-ID: > Jager is doing a 1:48 Albatros C.X and Albatros J.I. > The J.I is next. Oh, thanks Todd. Just forgot about Jager! Tomasz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:37:15 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Techmod lozenge Message-ID: <3BDBFBFB.8020206@bg.am.lodz.pl> Grzegorz Mazurowski wrote: > And what is your opinion about it? > G. Grzegorz, I just put Techmod loz on my halbie. It goes easily and looks good. But I think that Eagle Strike has better colours, Techmod is quite bright. ES is more faded. But Techmod is cheaper. I paid 18zl (about 3.50 USD) for 1:72 5 colour upper and lower. I will try to shoot some very thinned white or CDL to make them looking older. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:43:26 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: camel fuselage undersurface Message-ID: <3BDBFD6E.4030105@bg.am.lodz.pl> Ray Boorman wrote: > Whatever colour the upper fuselage was coloured. As in PC10 or PC12. > This is pretty common for most Sopwith Aircraft. Not CDL? I'm quite sure that Doplhin had CDL. I read in WS DF that lower surfaces of fuselage was left CDL with Battleship Gray plywood panels, I will check it. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 07:58:31 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? Message-ID: <002d01c15fb0$3f3e12c0$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> > You can see inside and outside fabric at: > > http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Ger/Fok_EV/index.html The interior fabric shot shows a whitish weave pattern. Whether this is from the dye not penetrating 100% and/or the clear dope doing the same, I don't know. It should be easy enough to take a piece of loz decal and spray it lightly with off white and then stroke it in both directions with a stiff bristle brush and get a fair representation of the effect. As to reverse pattern, its unlikely to be noticed. Unless you make the extraordinary effort to match up the individual loxenges inside and out, I don't see the need for a reversed pattern. Regular top surface Loz suitably "interiorized" would look good and never be noticed. BTW On the subject of rib tapes. I drug out my EAA manuals and it is recommended to wrap a single tape TE to LE to TE. I stand corrected :-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:23:20 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: interior lozenge for D.VIII? Message-ID: <003e01c15fb3$b70000e0$0200a8c0@x.pl> Steve wrote: > As to reverse pattern, its unlikely to be noticed. Unless you make the > extraordinary effort to match up the individual loxenges inside and out, I > don't see the need for a reversed pattern. Me too, especially that my plane has outside completely overpainted with black and yellow checkerboard (Sachsenberg's ). Thanks for comments, friends! G. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:25:46 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: SE5a's of Rhys-Davids Message-ID: <001701c15fb4$0e4f3af0$8138183f@cyrixp166> I guess I'll weigh in on this one. Those who know me know that this is no idle threat. ;-) Rhys-Davids flew a number of SE5as with 56 Sq. and none of them are particularly well documented. A'4563 - This one can get sticky. This was the number 3 SE5 prototype and the test bed for the 200 hp Hispano Suiza engine. Supposedly this aircraft had its wings changed to the short span, which would have made it the No.1 SE5a. I have seen a lot of sources which said this had been done, but I have seen no photos in which I can count the wing ribs. There is one photo in (High in the Empty Blue, Pg 90.) that shows RD in the cockpit of what is supposed to be A'4563. The gravity tank seems to be gone but the "L" style exhausts are there. The cockpit opening has been enlarged (bulged). RD flew this one just during June, July and August of 1917. It was flown by Cronyn in the Voss fight. Voss shot it up pretty well. Americal 143(1/72) & 144 (1/48) covers this aircraft. B'507 - RD test flew this aircraft in August after a leave and brought it back with snapped flying wires and a severely strained airframe. Bad quality control or hot dogging - you be the judge. B'525 - This is the aircraft that RD flew in the Voss flight. No photos are known to exist of it in the markings it bore on 23 September 1917. It carried the flight letter "I". It is assumed it was carried on the fuselage. It is not known if was present on the wings. Many paintings show the 56 machines in this fight having the white band just forward of the empanage. This was 56 Sq. most note worthy marking. However Glen Merrill points out that the order for this marking was received on Sept. 25, 2 days after the Voss fight. It is likely that all of the 56 machinesin this fight had small colored dumbells (flight color) on their fuselages, aft of the roundel. Americal 144 does not specifically cover this aircraft, but I think the markings are there. B'31 - Rhys-Davids was killed in this aircraft on 27 October 1917. I have not seen any photos of it nor am I sure that Americal covers it (maybe on 145). Rhys-Davids may have flown other SE5a's but these are the ones that I am aware of. Regards, John Cyg. --- Mike Franklin wrote: > Hello good people, > I am in need of a pointer to a photo Arthur > Rhys-Davids SE5a of 56 Squadron. > Baring that, does anyone know what is the aeroplane > identification letter > and serial number of this a/c? And, does this a/c > have the 18" white stripe > around the rear of the fuselage? > > I have looked through the 'in action' and the > 'regular datafile' to no > avail. > > Thanks, > > Mike Franklin > Bellingham, WA USA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:37:15 EST From: IRAtrumpet@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jasta fuselage markings Message-ID: <34.1cf322f5.290d640b@aol.com> Hi Jack! << I am curious - for the Jasta's that painted portions of the fuselage with the Jasta colors, did the color extend to the undersides as well, i.e., wrap all the way around the fuselage, or just to the tops and sides? >> This should be yet another intresting thread once the gang gets going. For starters, there are so very few photos of aeroplane undersides available, most being after a noseover or accident. The aeroplanes were pretty light, so it would not have been much bother to tip one up and go at it. We've all seen photos of them on trestles, etc., to level them for gun sighting. We've also seen shots of a guy with a tail section on his shoulder. Maybe it comes down to the initiative of the jasta painters . . . You know me--I say do what you think is best for your purposes and let 'em prove you wrong! ;^) Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 09:13:49 EST From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: SHORTS AIRCRAFT Message-ID: <13f.3978396.290d6c9d@aol.com> I have had the book for some time and have browsed through it, specifically for information on the Short bomber, Sierra 1/72 vacform, and the Short 184, before the datafile came out. The book seems comprehensive and well-balanced in technical and historical coverage with small, half-page 3-view drawings of aircraft covered. I think I paid about $25-30 for it and am glad I bought it. Recommended if it doesn't price doesn't go too high. FWIW, Mike Kavanaugh In a message dated Sat, 27 Oct 2001 9:16:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JVT7532@aol.com writes: > > --part1_d2.e5893b3.290cb5ad_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > SHORTS AIRCRAFT SINCE 1900 > Item # 1479293403 > Found this on ebay tonight while scanning the pages. Anyone have any comments > on it? > > Best regards, > Jon > Jon V. Theisen > 7532 Lawndale Ave. > Phila., PA 19111-2706 > > --part1_d2.e5893b3.290cb5ad_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > SHORTS AIRCRAFT SINCE 1900
> Item # 1479293403
> Found this on ebay tonight while scanning the pages. Anyone have any comments on it?

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Best regards,
> Jon
> Jon V. Theisen
> 7532 Lawndale Ave.
> Phila., PA 19111-2706
> > --part1_d2.e5893b3.290cb5ad_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 2001 07:10:51 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jasta fuselage markings Message-ID: <20011028151051.17891.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> Ira I think in *most* cases the jasta colors wrap around the entire fuse, including the bottom. There are examples where this is NOT the case Albatros DV Otto Konnecke Jatsta 5 http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Miller/render/Albatros/j5otto.jpg and Alabatros DV Paul Strahl Jasta 18 http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Miller/render/Albatros/j18axe.jpg Notice that the demarcation line bettween side/bottom follows the seam in the plywood which coresponds to the lower longeron. There are others examples. But I think if you need to guess - assume they painted the bottoms. and of course - dicta Ira :-) mark miller On Sun, 28 October 2001, IRAtrumpet@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Jack! > > << I am curious - for the Jasta's that painted portions of the fuselage with > the Jasta colors, did the color extend to the undersides as well, i.e., wrap > all the way around the fuselage, or just to the tops and sides? >> > > This should be yet another intresting thread once the gang gets going. For > starters, there are so very few photos of aeroplane undersides available, > most being after a noseover or accident. > > The aeroplanes were pretty light, so it would not have been much bother to > tip one up and go at it. We've all seen photos of them on trestles, etc., to > level them for gun sighting. We've also seen shots of a guy with a tail > section on his shoulder. > > Maybe it comes down to the initiative of the jasta painters . . . > > You know me--I say do what you think is best for your purposes and let 'em > prove you wrong! ;^) > > Have Fun!! > > IRA Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3843 **********************