WWI Digest 3840 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Retry retry Jasta 6 paint qn. by Sanjeev Hirve 2) Re: WW1 aerobatics by "Lee M." 3) Re: Drooling Loon, was Speaking of PE sets... by "Ken Acosta" 4) Re: Retry retry Jasta 6 paint qn. by "Lance Krieg" 5) Huntsville Show by "Ken Acosta" 6) Re: Aviation Artist? by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 7) Re: kinder egg suprises by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 8) Re: Aviation Artist? by "Brad & Merville" 9) Pegasus Poll by "Brad & Merville" 10) RE: WW1 aerobatics by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 11) Re: Aviation Artist? by "Bob Pearson" 12) Re: Mystery DH2 Detail Set by "Ross Moorhouse" 13) RE: Fwd: Master Club Voisin/News: the problem Re: Order by Todd Hayes 14) Hi-Tech Nieuport by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 15) Re: Arthur Rhys-Davids SE5a of 56 Squadron by "Steven Perry" 16) Re: Those beautiful MC wheels by Todd Hayes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:43:36 -0400 From: Sanjeev Hirve To: "Wwi-List (E-mail)" Subject: Retry retry Jasta 6 paint qn. Message-ID: <5F935CCBFB73D511BA2000B0D079E11E01C846@cyberexch01.internal.evincible.com> Hi all, I am not sure my previous post made it. I need some help on the paint scheme for jasta 6 Fok DVIIs. As I understand the jasta paint scheme, the nose has angled black-white stripes running down the sides and bottom. In the colour profile (plate 4) in the Fok Anthology-1, the stripe orientation on the bottom is barely visible, but look incorrect. There are 2 possibilities: 1- The stripes maintain the same side-view angle on the bottom surface. Sounds unlikely, but that is how it is depicted in the colour profile. 2- the stripes maintain the same angle in bottom view. In other words, in side view, the stripes on the bottom appear to angle back sharply. This is definitely easier to paint. If you have a photograph showing the nose underside, can you check this for me, or better still, send me a scan. Thanks SSH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:50:53 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: WW1 aerobatics Message-ID: <3BD9CCAD.8D6ADFE9@x25.net> Not to much about aerobatics has been put out but there was a time when a lot of pride was displayed by one Jasta, and, I forget which it was. They actually had two pilots that had done a loop, and, they used it as a point of great pride and a propaganda tool. So a lot of the aerobatics were not quite the way that many might think. A lot of manuevers were found by coincidence and close to being accidents. Immelmans, Chandeles, Lufberry turns and a lot of the manuevers were talked about more than accomplished. It is easier to do a loop in a Piper Cub than it would be in a WW I fighter because their power to weight ratio was fairly pathetic. Also, recall, that it appears a lot of early aircraft did not even have seat belts. They hampered standing up and changing Ammo drums for the guns located on the upper wings. I do not know if the Immelman was more an accomplished fact or a common occurence but I tend to believe that if it took one of the very best pilots to do it the ordinary pilot may never have been that accomplished. Think 3 to 6 hours instruction and 20 hours total flying time. Much of that time was after two weeks in Combat. Also recall that they considered a "tailspin" to be a deadly thing. ( I guess it was, especially, if you had no idea how to make it stop.) I did them routinely as an exercise after about 10-12 hours flight training. At that time it had become a controlled flight manuever and a requirement. Now they no longer even teach spins, the falling leaf or from what I have been told "slow flight". (From what I have heard. Most planes are now considered "spin-proof".) As a student I was taught to fly in a near stall condition, for an extended period of time, so I would know all I would ever needed to know about not stalling and recovery.. But, remember, I was licensed before 1941. No matter what flight training for WW I did not preclude learning how to do these things, but, they were not taught. The lack of training, and, the combat conditions did little to make a pilot better very quickly except by his own adaptation to the conditions, as they existed, and, by hints from his fellow pilots. How do I know about the training of pilots? Well it is actually fairly easy. I ahve a book in my hand right now called How to Fly and it was written in 1917 by one Frederick Collins. 171 pages of text, then the index etc. The first 91 pages describe the airplane and the engine. How it works and such along with a description of the controls, ailerons, etc. Chapter VI, page 92 is titled How to become a pilot. They first describe the attributes. 6 pages Page 98 thru 108 describe some control movements and why. The rest of the book is about where to learn and how to fill out the forms for military training and such items. Most interesting is that they dedicated 10 pages to the actual flight training along with such wisdom as a person less than 20 should not try to learn to fly. Any one over 35 should never even give it a thought at all. I have had this book since mid 1959 when they closed the base Library at Ashiya AB, Kyushu, Japan and threw it away. It is one of my prize possessions. Lee M. Brent Theobald wrote: > Howdy! > > Shooting from the hip here.... But wasn't the Immelman Loop a common > practice by this time. He was pulling this stunt in the Fokker E series so > that was before the Albatros D.II right? My thoughts are that by this time a > loop wouldn't have been so impressive. > > Any thoughts? > > Brent > > >From: Crawford Neil > >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: [WWI] WW1 aerobatics > >Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:29:10 -0400 (EDT) > > > >We were talking about aerobatics in WW1 a while back. > >I found a bit about this in the latest Avions. > >In an article about Georg Strasser Jasta 17 ace, there > >is a story about one of the other pilots looping the loop. > >Strasser was an experienced pilot (pre-war) and so felt > >he wanted to do it too, after a few attempts he succeeded, > >and the Jasta were very proud to have 2 pilots who could > >do a loop, not many pilots could or dared in 1916-17. > >This was using an Albatross DII. > >Neil C. (hoping I read the french correctly) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:06:34 -0500 From: "Ken Acosta" To: , Subject: Re: Drooling Loon, was Speaking of PE sets... Message-ID: This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_2973C673.204106BA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline "I spoke today with Fred Hultberg at Fotocut, and will be sending him = artwork for two different sets." Much praise and many huzzas for your work; this couldn't have been quick = or easy. "One of these is for 2-dimensional profile parts and contains, among other = things:" and "The second set are three-dimensional parts, mostly for engines, that = include: "I will instruct Fred to retain the negatives for others who might want = 1/48 parts" You can count me among those who might (will, actually) want some. "I know that at least some of you fall into that loon category" What's your point? You're the guy who told me that you can't see the = Ni.17 cockpit when the model is done and not to bother detailing it too = much. Yeah, like THAT makes any sense... "Once I have the pieces, I'll try to get some jpegs for y'all to take a = look." Yes, PLEASE!! Thanks- KA --=_2973C673.204106BA Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="TEXT.htm"
 
"I spoke today with Fred Hultberg at Fotocut, and will be sending him artwork for two different sets."
Much praise and many huzzas for your work; this couldn't have been quick or easy.
 
"One of these is for 2-dimensional profile parts and contains, among other things:"
and
"The second set are three-dimensional parts, mostly for engines, that include:
<snip lots of drool-worthy words>

"I will instruct Fred to retain the negatives for others who might want 1/48 parts"
 
You can count me among those who might (will, actually) want some.

"I know that at least some of you fall into that loon category"
 
What's your point?  You're the guy who told me that you can't see the Ni.17 cockpit when the model is done and not to bother detailing it too much.  Yeah, like THAT makes any sense...  <BG>
 
"Once I have the pieces, I'll try to get some jpegs for y'all to take a look."
 
Yes, PLEASE!!
 
Thanks-
KA

--=_2973C673.204106BA-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:37:26 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Retry retry Jasta 6 paint qn. Message-ID: Sanjeev, your question came through, I'm just not sure I understand it. I'll look at the pictures of Jasta 6 in the two main Albatros publications this weekend and advise. HTH Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:13:28 -0500 From: "Ken Acosta" To: Subject: Huntsville Show Message-ID: This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_540EBB3E.472661DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline All- I don't know where to begin singing the praises of my experience last = weekend. I had a terrific time meeting and speaking with fellow Listees = Scott King (VERY friendly, as my wife can also attest) and Eli Geher = (quite a character). I did nothing but drool over the quality of work = that came from places such as Atlanta, Memphis, Louisville, Montomery, and = Nashville, then lose my money at the vendor tables. I was able to pick up = a few back issues of Air Enthusiast Quarterly with feature articles of the = Bristol Scout and Australian Avro 504Ks. Much good reading and reference = material. As for the display area, Armor and Autos are apparently very = big in these parts, but there was a pretty good showing in Aircraft. = Modern jets seemed the most populated of the air categories. The = Rigged/Biplane category had six or seven entries, including a 1/48 = Nieuport 17 and Bittneresque Dr.I from Scott. There was also a sweet 1/72 = Eduard Albatros D.V, but the owner/builder wasn't in attendance. Scott's = tripe was done in LvR's scheme and featured a terrific Fokker streaked = fabric effect. He took a well-deserved second while the orphaned Albatros = took 3rd. Can't wait till next year! KA PS- Can anyone speak to the accuracy of the Air Enthusiast work? I love = the cutaway detail drawings, but I'd like to know if they're accurate. --=_540EBB3E.472661DE Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="TEXT.htm"
All-
I don't know where to begin singing the praises of my experience last weekend.  I had a terrific time meeting and speaking with fellow Listees Scott King (VERY friendly, as my wife can also attest) and Eli Geher (quite a character).  I did nothing but drool over the quality of work that came from places such as Atlanta, Memphis, Louisville, Montomery, and Nashville, then lose my money at the vendor tables.  I was able to pick up a few back issues of Air Enthusiast Quarterly with feature articles of the Bristol Scout and Australian Avro 504Ks.  Much good reading and reference material.  As for the display area, Armor and Autos are apparently very big in these parts, but there was a pretty good showing in Aircraft.  Modern jets seemed the most populated of the air categories.  The Rigged/Biplane category had six or seven entries, including a 1/48 Nieuport 17 and Bittneresque Dr.I from Scott.  There was also a sweet 1/72 Eduard Albatros D.V, but the owner/builder wasn't in attendance.  Scott's tripe was done in LvR's scheme and featured a terrific Fokker streaked fabric effect.  He took a well-deserved second while the orphaned Albatros took 3rd.
 
Can't wait till next year!
KA
 
PS- Can anyone speak to the accuracy of the Air Enthusiast work?  I love the cutaway detail drawings, but I'd like to know if they're accurate.
--=_540EBB3E.472661DE-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:34:16 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Aviation Artist? Message-ID: <3BD9E4E8.45EAB4AE@tac.com.au> VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com wrote: > Hi gang, I was wondering if any one knows an Aviation Artist by the name of > "S. Joseph DeMarco"? I have been trying to find him for a few years now as he > has some wonderful pencil drawings of WW-l aircraft available. I purchased a > couple on T-shirts at a show about 5 years ago and I now want to get some of > his drawings for my modeling area. Thanks for any help. > > Best regards, > Jon Hi Jon, If you have no luck tracking this guy down, you can always try Bob Pearson. He sometimes does prints. You can always ask ;- ) Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:47:06 -0400 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: kinder egg suprises Message-ID: <3BD9E7EA.54B97DAE@mars.ark.com> Sitting atop my monitor I have Macchi M.5 (silver wings, blue fuselage) Morane Saulnier AI (orange wings and fuselage) Junkers D.I (yellow wings, green fuselage) Sopwith Pup (yellow wings, blue fuselage) Nieuport 11 (silver wings, red fuselage) And a red biplane dodo bird... :-) I also have (unbuilt) another identical MoS AI, and a Nieuport 11 with purple wings and a yellow fuselage. The best proportion wise is the Pup. My father had a white Fokker D.VII on floats but I'm not sure which series that was in because I haven't come across that one anywhere yet. Unfortunately they stopped doing the really neat ones and have switched to doing some really stupid items - so now I only buy the airplanes over eBay where I can use up my spare DM. I took photos of them but I am still waiting for the film to come back. Mike Fletcher Diego Fernetti wrote: > > Hey! > Those who have seen -or eaten- those fancy kinder chocolate eggs may be > familiar with the little toys that can be found inside. Over the years, I've > had several of those, and among them I still have a small biplane that > looked like a crude Bristol scout. > I found it again yesterday (don't you have in every desk drawer or in the > corners of your library these small things that you never decide to give > away or to throw to the garbage?) and took note of the number. Today I > searched the net to see if it was a bristol indeed and look what I've found: > > http://203.22.70.186/kinders/k93/k93_7.gif > > K93 7 Plane Sopwith Pup green and yellow / blue and yellow (this is > the one I have) > K93 8 Plane Macchi M 39 red > K93 9 Plane Junkers D.I. blue-orange / green-orange / orange-l'blue > K93 10 Plane Fokker D. VII brown-green / orange-blue > K93 11 Plane Morane Saulinier AL blue / yellow > K93 12 Plane Newport 11 'Bebe' yellow-blue / red-grey > K93 13 Plane Macchi M.5 red-yellow/blue > K93 14 Plane supermarine > > Does anyone on the list have known of these? > D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:52:26 -0400 From: "Brad & Merville" To: Subject: Re: Aviation Artist? Message-ID: <002e01c15e70$e3560ca0$d1a8fed8@default> Jon I bought a T-shirt with his RE8 on it from an internet company called White Hawk Aviation Art a couple of years ago. I phoned the owner (in Virginia or North Carolina?.... somewhere thereabouts.) and he told me that Joe DeMarco was a neighbour of his. He said he was getting on but that he was still drawing. White Hawk carried a full line of his WW1 pencil drawings on T-shirts, tote bags and mouse pads. I'll see if I've still got the address saved someplace. By the way, complete sets (four sets of four prints) of his WW1 series are still available at a very reasonable price from the USAF Museum gift shop in Dayton. Brad -----Original Message----- From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:02 AM Subject: [WWI] Aviation Artist? > >--part1_9e.1c5a792a.290ad3e6_boundary >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi gang, I was wondering if any one knows an Aviation Artist by the name of >"S. Joseph DeMarco"? I have been trying to find him for a few years now as he >has some wonderful pencil drawings of WW-l aircraft available. I purchased a >couple on T-shirts at a show about 5 years ago and I now want to get some of >his drawings for my modeling area. Thanks for any help. > > Best regards, > Jon > >--part1_9e.1c5a792a.290ad3e6_boundary >Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi gang, I was wondering if any one knows an Aviation Artist by the name of "S. Joseph DeMarco"? I have been trying to find him for a few years now as he has some wonderful pencil drawings of WW-l aircraft available. I purchased a couple on T-shirts at a show about 5 years ago and I now want to get some of his drawings for my modeling area. Thanks for any help.
>
> Best regards,
> Jon > >--part1_9e.1c5a792a.290ad3e6_boundary-- > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:11:28 -0400 From: "Brad & Merville" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Pegasus Poll Message-ID: <005201c15e73$8bccf680$d1a8fed8@default> According to the most recent Pegasus newsletter Chris Gannon is conducting an online poll to see what his customers would like to see next. Catagories are: Pegasus 1/72 Anything Goes Blue Max 1/48 WW1 Silver Cloud 1/72 & 1/48 Anything Goes So get over there and vote for that SE5a in 1/72, A.W. FK8 in 1/48 and a Silver Cloud 1/48 Handley Page 0/400!!!!! ( well... perhaps an H.P.42 would be more appropriate to the series) To vote goe to: pegasuskit@pegasusmodels.com (1/72 ) bluemaxkit@pegasusmodels.com (1/48 WW1) silvercloudkit@pegasusmodels.com (Silver Cloud 1/72 & 1/48) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:23:54 -0400 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: WW1 aerobatics Message-ID: <3BD9F08A.9B0F4E39@mars.ark.com> The sesquiplane were not so much as weak as that they were incapable of handling higher speeds (due to the unfortunate location of the spar) and the wings would oscillate until they tore off. If the spar had been even an inch or two forward or back it would have reduced the problem considerably (this from recent research) The Nieuports were among the most fully aerobatic aircraft of ww1, with the manouverablity of the Camel but without the nasty vices. The D.VII's big advantage was being able to maintain or even gain altitude while turning, a feat beyond many of its contemporaries, and since most combats involve lots of turning and altitude is always an advantage, this can cover a host of other sins. The SPAD had a very sharp nasty stall due to the flatness of its wings and the sharpness of its leading edges, which would make it difficult to fly anywhere near the edge of its flight envelope. Strictly a straight line machine not much removed from the Deperdussins. US Post-war experience with the SPADs discovered a tendency for the rigging to go slack as the mounting bolts were pulled through the wood spars when pilots had been stunting (for some reason SPAD did not reinforce the holes as has since become manditory.) Easily fixable but a bit of a hindrance to any serious aerobatics... Back to the reminiscences regarding looping - from the pilots biographies I have read, pilots were learning to do it as a matter of course as early as 1915, but they have mostly been of the more successful pilots so may not be representative. Any pilot who couldn't or hadn't by late 1917 probably would not have survived long on anything but pure luck. Mike F. Diego Fernetti wrote: > > Besides, one have to consider inherent weaknesses of the airframe, like > those to be found on sesquiplane machines. > D. > PS: What about the Jenny, Lee? would it be aerobatic? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lee M. > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:09 PM > Subject: [WWI] RE: WW1 aerobatics > > > > > --------------2018AF352C34289D199846A7 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > There are certain things that make an aircraft more aerobatic applicable > than > > others. > > > > One is a certain instabilty and willngness to change direction quickly. > The > > Fokker D-VII was more stable than a lot of aircraft and there by it was > not as > > acrobatically enabled. When flying straight and level it like that to a > certain > > degree and would prefer to continue along the same line. An of the more > short > > coupled machines like a DR-1 would change direction at the drop of a hat > and > > become, perhaps, almost uncontrollable if you tried to pick it up. So it > goes > > and stays. > > > > Many SPADs were less stable but I do not know how aerobatic they were > considered > > to be. They did require close attention just to fly straight for a very > long > > period. The main reason for the SPAD instability was the lack of dihedral > in > > the wings. It would slide around to a considerable degree and had little > > willingness to stay level or fly straight. > > > > This was reported by a Selfridge AFB Test Pilot who flew a totally > restored Spad > > in 1953. He said he had nothing but the highest regard for any pilot that > could > > fly combat missions and become an Ace in that plane.. The remark was made > to > > one Eddie Rickenbacker on the 4th of July 1953 > > > > Lee M. > > > > Diego Fernetti wrote: > > > > > I've read in one of the last articles written by Jeff Ethell (Flying the > > > Fokker D.VII) and he made a comment about the very difficult aerobatic > > > handling of this airplane, one of the most succesful aircrfat of the > period! > > > D. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Crawford Neil > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:29 PM > > > Subject: [WWI] WW1 aerobatics > > > > > > > We were talking about aerobatics in WW1 a while back. > > > > I found a bit about this in the latest Avions. > > > > In an article about Georg Strasser Jasta 17 ace, there > > > > is a story about one of the other pilots looping the loop. > > > > Strasser was an experienced pilot (pre-war) and so felt > > > > he wanted to do it too, after a few attempts he succeeded, > > > > and the Jasta were very proud to have 2 pilots who could > > > > do a loop, not many pilots could or dared in 1916-17. > > > > This was using an Albatross DII. > > > > Neil C. (hoping I read the french correctly) > > > > > > > > --------------2018AF352C34289D199846A7 > > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > There are certain things that make an aircraft more aerobatic applicable > > than others. > >

One is a certain instabilty and willngness to change direction > quickly.  > > The Fokker D-VII was more stable than a lot of aircraft and there by it > > was not as acrobatically enabled.  When flying straight and level > > it like that to a certain degree and would prefer to continue along the > > same line.  An of the more short coupled machines like a DR-1 would > > change direction at the drop of a hat and become, perhaps, almost > uncontrollable > > if you tried to pick it up.  So it goes and stays. > >

Many SPADs were less stable but I do not know how aerobatic they were > > considered to be.  They did require close attention just to fly > straight > > for a very long period.  The main reason for the SPAD instability > > was the lack of dihedral in the wings.  It would slide around to a > > considerable degree and had little willingness to stay level or fly > straight. > >

This was reported by a Selfridge AFB Test Pilot who flew a totally > > restored Spad in 1953.  He said he had nothing but the highest regard > > for any pilot that could fly combat missions and become an Ace in that > > plane..  The remark was made to one Eddie Rickenbacker on the 4th > > of July 1953 > >

Lee M. > >

Diego Fernetti wrote: > >

I've read in one of the last articles written by > > Jeff Ethell (Flying the > >
Fokker D.VII) and he made a comment about the very difficult aerobatic > >
handling of this airplane, one of the most succesful aircrfat of the > > period! > >
D. > >

----- Original Message ----- > >
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com> > >
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org> > >
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:29 PM > >
Subject: [WWI] WW1 aerobatics > >

> We were talking about aerobatics in WW1 a while back. > >
> I found a bit about this in the latest Avions. > >
> In an article about Georg Strasser Jasta 17 ace, there > >
> is a story about one of the other pilots looping the loop. > >
> Strasser was an experienced pilot (pre-war) and so felt > >
> he wanted to do it too, after a few attempts he succeeded, > >
> and the Jasta were very proud to have 2 pilots who could > >
> do a loop, not many pilots could or dared in 1916-17. > >
> This was using an Albatross DII. > >
> Neil C. (hoping I read the french correctly) > >
>

> > > > > > --------------2018AF352C34289D199846A7-- > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:27:45 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Aviation Artist? Message-ID: <200110262328.f9QNSdO03960@mercury.rapidnet.net> Gosh oh golly gee .. I'm blushing .. but I woudl say that anyone who wants some cool images for the workshop should give ol RK a call .. his little ALPS prints are beautiful Bob ---------- > Hi Jon, > > If you have no luck tracking this guy down, you can always try Bob > Pearson. He sometimes does prints. You can always ask ;- ) > > Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 09:58:40 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Mystery DH2 Detail Set Message-ID: <003c01c15e7a$255c1fa0$5fe0223f@umber> I would be interested too. :) Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:03 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Mystery DH2 Detail Set | Hello all, | | a few months ago Part etched a custom D.H.2 set for me. I had designed it | for my BM model. The set was my experimental effort of P/E design, thus not | everything is useable there. | The set contains various variants of dashboard, Lewis gun, a number of big | and small ammo drums, all types of ammo drum cases, rudder skeleton, | stitching, access panels, control horns, prop bosses, metal wearings, and | many more details. | There was also a couple of different approachs to simulate wicker seat, but | they are not very good. | | If someone is interested, mail me off list, and I'll send a scan of the set. | I would ask Part owner about price of a short producing run. I expect the | same price as the price of any commercial set. | | Tomasz | | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:21:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Fwd: Master Club Voisin/News: the problem Re: Order Message-ID: <20011027002108.42589.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Martin, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but at least it's some solid information finally. I was generous with myself with this kit. I ordered two! Todd --- Martín Héctor AFFLITTO ECHAGüE wrote: > TODD > > HHUUUUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! > Sniff, Sniff, Snisff........ > > I feel the same that I felt when I was a kid and > they told me Santa > Claus,were really my parents. > I'll wait but until I see it I won't ask for it. > I feel like James Bond spying in Moscu but without > my trousers and near a > fat,ugly lady > I want my Voisin!!!!!!!!!!! > Russia hurry up!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Martín > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Todd Hayes > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:36 AM > Subject: [WWI] Fwd: Master Club Voisin/News: the > problem Re: Order > > > > Hi All, > > > > I received this message from "Scale Models from > Russia". It explains a > lot. > > > > Todd > > > > > > >From: "Webstore" > > >To: "Todd Hayes" > > >Subject: Re: Order > > >Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:40:12 +0400 > > > > > >Dear Todd. > > >The problem is that Master-model is still > unfinished. > > >We are gathering orders and it is very! possible > that we shall pay > (~$6000) > > >for the master-model by ourselves. > > >In fact, Voisin model still does not exist. But > orders are coming and we > do > > >hope, they won't stop. > > >Sorry for misleading. > > > > > >Sincerely, > > >Andrey Prozorovskiy. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Todd Hayes" > > >To: > > >Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 7:09 PM > > >Subject: Re: Order > > > > > > > > > > Dear SMR, > > > > > > > > So the Voisin kit actually exists? I've tried > for over a year to get > > >one, > > > > but without success. If you can get me this > kit, you'll have a loyal > > > > customer for life. > > > > > > > > Todd Hayes > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: sales@hobbym.net > > > > >To: ta_hayes@hotmail.com > > > > >Subject: Order > > > > >Date: 25 Oct 2001 05:31:28 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >MCL006|65.00|Voisin LAS|1|0|| > > > > >User Details > > > > >e-mail: ta_hayes@hotmail.com > > > > >Name: Todd > > > > >LName: Hayes > > > > >Country: USA > > > > >index: 52601 > > > > >Area: Iowa > > > > >City: Burlington > > > > >StrAddr: 2910 Market > > > > >Dop: > > > > >user id: id3bd79f97a2690 > > > > >Order type: sor > > > > >Final amount:79 > > > > >Delivery method: Air > > > > >USER_IP_ADDRESS: 63.161.99.107 > > > > >Please wait while we confirm your order and > then we tell you how to > > >proceed > > > > >with your order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:25:32 -0400 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Hi-Tech Nieuport Message-ID: <3BD9FEFC.8A7645FA@mars.ark.com> Anyone know anything about this kit? (aside from the fact that the photo is of a 17bis with 24 wings...) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1655189142 Mike F. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:38:21 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Arthur Rhys-Davids SE5a of 56 Squadron Message-ID: <007301c15e7f$bad40840$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> > Hello good people, > I am in need of a pointer to a photo Arthur Rhys-Davids SE5a of 56 Squadron. > Baring that, does anyone know what is the aeroplane identification letter > and serial number of this a/c? And, does this a/c have the 18" white stripe > around the rear of the fuselage? There is a fine photo portrait of Rhys-Davis himself in Aces High along with a painting of the combat with Voss. All the SE.5As have a wide white stripe from the stab LE forward around the fuselage. The largest SE in the painting has the number C/5430 on the rudder. Additionally there is a large white V forward of the band, but behing the roundel. (the Voss cowl is vegimite colored;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:44:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Those beautiful MC wheels Message-ID: <20011027004438.34438.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Lance, I'll try to get one scanned. If I can't, maybe Mike Kavanaugh would do it. He has the kit too. Mike are you out there? I'll e-mail Aviapress tonight and see what they tell me about the wheels. I did that very thing last night with the 'Scale Models from Russia' shop mentioned by Martin. No reply yet. Wouldn't those wheels look great on the CSM Lohner B.II? Todd --- Lance Krieg wrote: > Todd asks: > > "Tell me more, please." [...about the separate > availability of MC wheels] > > Oleg Kasatkin of Avia Press offered these at $8.00 > apiece, plus $6.00 shipping and handling. > > When I pointed out that this was more than the price > differential in the wheeled/non-wheeled kits, > conversation broke down. > > I'd buy a half-dozen or so extras at these prices, > but I didn't pursue it. This was February, 2000. > > If you have a scanner, Todd, scan one to show any > skeptical listee how good these little beauties are. > > Lance > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3840 **********************