WWI Digest 3837 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Harleyford Books by "Lee M." 2) Re: PC10 + PC-12- Hey! BOB PEARSON by Ray Boorman 3) Re: Harleyford Books by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 4) Approaching West Virginia by "David C. Fletcher" 5) Re: Harleyford Books by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 6) Re: Harleyford Books by "Lee M." 7) Re: Harleyford Books by "Lee M." 8) Harleyford Books - Thanks by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 9) RE: MICRO SOL & SET by John Huggins 10) Re: PC10 + PC-12- Hey! BOB PEARSON by "Bob Pearson" 11) Re: german rib tapes by "Pedro Soares" 12) Re: german rib tapes by Shane Weier 13) Re: PC10 + PC-12- Hey! BOB PEARSON by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 14) Re: PC10 + PC-12- Hey! BOB PEARSON by "Bob Pearson" 15) Re: Digital images was Re: RE: scanners was Re: Cookups by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 16) Re: British Aeroplanes 1914-1918 by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 17) mailbox crash - was Re: Re: german rib tapes by Witold Kozakiewicz 18) Re: PC10 + PC-12- Hey! BOB PEARSON by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 19) Re: British Aeroplanes 1914-1918 by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 20) Arthur Rhys-Davids SE5a of 56 Squadron by "Mike Franklin" 21) Re: Today in history - The Italian front by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 22) Harleyford books by Charles Hart 23) Re: Mystery DH2 Detail Set by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 24) Re: Arthur Rhys-Davids SE5a of 56 Squadron by "Bob Pearson" 25) Re: Arthur Rhys-Davids SE5a of 56 Squadron by Todd Hayes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:33:26 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Harleyford Books Message-ID: <3BD8E796.4D50D76@x25.net> Two totally different books. One dedicated to fighters only. I do not have the other one you mentioned. But it implies it is not all fighters. Can't say I know about it at all . Lee M. Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au wrote: > Lee and John; > > Yes, these are the two books I'm referring to - "Fighter Aircraft of the > 1914-1918 War" and "Aircraft of The 1914-1918 War". ABE has them both - > anyone know how they vary? ("Aircraft" has more pages and slightly more > colour plates) > > I do want to get at least one of these but if one is a revised edition of > the other, I wont bother with the other one. > > All the Best > > Neil E. > > _________________________________________________________________________________ > NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. > > Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. > > Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. > > If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au > _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:22:16 -0700 From: Ray Boorman To: Subject: Re: PC10 + PC-12- Hey! BOB PEARSON Message-ID: <20011026042815.FCPN16585.priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray> Neil, Another theory that sounds as if way to much thought was put into it, is that in some parts of France especially where some RNAS units were based the mud was a rich brown therefore PC12 was preferred. Sounds far fetched to me but hey what the heck. I think you can get away with PC12 or PC10. My choice would be PC12 though as a nice change from the standard vintage of PC10. Oh hehe I was picking on Bob on purpose because he always says look on the CD!!! ;0) to which after 10 mins or so I do a "DUHHHH" Ray On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:50:47 -0400 (EDT), Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au wrote: > > > >Ray, its Neil, Bob hasn't been involved yet! > >Sounds like from what you've both said I was way off with the PC-10 >thinking - which is good - now...how to mix PC-12? (Mister Kits wont >be >arriving for a while) > >All the best > >Neil E. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:29:51 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Harleyford Books Message-ID: Thanks everyone for the Harleyford info - Like I said both will go on the "to get" list - Marine Aircraft? I haven't seen that one - Ill put that on the list too! Regards Neil E. _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:30:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Approaching West Virginia Message-ID: <20011026043057.87346.qmail@web20803.mail.yahoo.com> Message for 'Dame Karen' - Sorry troops, I lost Karen's address somewhere between Vancouver Island and Indiana - Karen, please send me the directions. We're heading towards Wheeling via the USAF Museum... Dave Fletcher __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:36:41 EDT From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Harleyford Books Message-ID: <112.6a9529f.290a4259@aol.com> --part1_112.6a9529f.290a4259_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/26/2001 12:29:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, thayes_52601@yahoo.com writes: > Youch! That still gives me a pain in the wallet. > Heck it's a lot cheaper than the putter my buddy just bought and if I ever need to, I could at least resell the book rather than use it as a tomato stake like they do with last years magic putters. You guys are giving me the itch to get my DH.2 out, I was waiting for the kit to fix up the details but now wonder if he will ever get his act going again. Best regards, Jon --part1_112.6a9529f.290a4259_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/26/2001 12:29:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, thayes_52601@yahoo.com writes:


Youch!  That still gives me a pain in the wallet.

Heck it's a lot cheaper than the putter my buddy just bought and if I ever need to, I could at least resell the book rather than use it as a tomato stake like they do with last years magic putters. You guys are giving me the itch to get my DH.2 out, I was waiting for the kit to fix up the details but now wonder if he will ever get his act going again.

 Best regards,
Jon --part1_112.6a9529f.290a4259_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:43:34 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Harleyford Books Message-ID: <3BD8E9F6.8D48580D@x25.net> My copy of Fighters is from approximately 1962. It was in a third printing at that time. ( Second was in 1960 or 61.) Air Aces is from earlier days but not by very much. Is started to get them as soon as I knew they existed and I continued for many years. Aero came on about 1963 and then one as done by a company called Air Review (GB) in 1970. Lee M. PolTexCW@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/25/1 11:44:08 PM, Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au writes: > > << Yes, these are the two books I'm referring to - "Fighter Aircraft of the > 1914-1918 War" and "Aircraft of The 1914-1918 War". ABE has them both - > anyone know how they vary? ("Aircraft" has more pages and slightly more > colour plates) >> > > I don't remember _Fighter Aircraft ... _. The original _Aircraft..._ had no > color plates (I think - haven't unpacked in about 30 years), but several > fold-out drawings (all drawings are 1/72) of larger aircraft. Some of the > largest, I believe, like the Gotha were a three page format. There must be > drawings (as well as photos and info) on 50 - 100 aircraft. I'm sure more > accurate info is now available, but it is, nevertheless a marvelous book. > > John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:46:08 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Harleyford Books Message-ID: <3BD8EA8F.52972B2A@x25.net> After 30+ years I still do not have a copy of that one and probably never will. Lee M. Todd Hayes wrote: > Did anyone mention the ultra-rare "Marine a/c..." > > --- VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com wrote: > > > > --part1_59.12098ec5.290a3a85_boundary > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > Hi Neil, the Fighter book only covers fighters but > > the Aircraft book covers > > Fighters, Bombers, Reconnaissance, and some trainers > > I believe. The fighter > > book and the aircraft book are close in size and > > pages but until I can get to > > them, (SWMBO is sleeping and their in my bedroom) > > and check for you I cannot > > give you a definite answer. I will say that I have > > them both and enjoy using > > them as they are good references. You can find them > > for as little as $40.00 > > USD. A good deal in my book. If you need to know > > more let me know and I'll > > check them out for you. > > > > Best regards, > > Jon > > > > --part1_59.12098ec5.290a3a85_boundary > > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0">Hi Neil, the > > Fighter book only covers fighters but the Aircraft > > book covers Fighters, Bombers, Reconnaissance, and > > some trainers I believe. The fighter book and the > > aircraft book are close in size and pages but until > > I can get to them, (SWMBO is sleeping and their in > > my bedroom) and check for you I cannot give you a > > definite answer. I will say that I have them both > > and enjoy using them as they are good references. > > You can find them for as little as $40.00 USD. A > > good deal in my book. If you need to know more let > > me know and I'll check them out for you.
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> > Jon > > > > --part1_59.12098ec5.290a3a85_boundary-- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:31:40 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Harleyford Books - Thanks Message-ID: Thanks, Lee, John, Jon and everyone; all your very helpful information confirms that I need both "Aircraft" and "Fighters". It looks like "Marine Aircraft" may have to go onto my "Holy Grail" list. All the best Neil E. (Leaving the office to take a client home in the country) _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. 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BOB PEARSON Message-ID: <200110260618.f9Q6Ic506259@mercury.rapidnet.net> > Hold on a bit! I think that I recall Sopwith Triplanes from the RNAS had > some in PC-12. I have Bob Pearson's CD of profiles but it's difficult for > me to tell which are PC-12. > > Michael Me too, and I did the damn things. .. Triplanes may be in PC10 or PC12 regardless of what I show on the CD .. they were done to whatever my current mixes of watercolours were on that particular day, and whether I was in a PC10 or PC12 frame of mind. However current thought is the Tripes were PC12 as the soil in that part of France was of reddish colour. For my Revell Triplane, I just used Tamiya Brown. One other thing to remember is there were only between 144 and 150 Triplanes made, and they were transferred back and forth from unit to unit to depot. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:36:33 +0100 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: german rib tapes Message-ID: <001401c15de8$8e17ba00$2d7216d5@netcabo.pt> .. > Now me, I *always* use the point of the knife to cut tapes and *never* cut > from the back of the sheet - and I think I get perfectly okay results. > > As they say "Different strokes....." > > Shane > .. Doesn't surprise me. It's a well established assumption that you guys in Oz do it all upside down... Pedro ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:57:14 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: german rib tapes Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD6B3@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Pedro, > Doesn't surprise me. It's a well established assumption that > you guys in Oz do it all upside down... > > Pedro ;-) Ahem. Do I need to remind you that it was my Portugese correspondent who suggested sticking a sharp knife in the decals *bottom* Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:58:48 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: PC10 + PC-12- Hey! BOB PEARSON Message-ID: Hi Bob; What number Tamiya brown did you use - if I can get a near equivalent without mixing life would be good...... Regards Neil E. _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. 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BOB PEARSON >Date: Fri, Oct 26, 2001, 12:02 am > > > Hi Bob; > > What number Tamiya brown did you use - if I can get a near equivalent > without mixing life would be good...... > > Regards > > Neil E. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ _____ > NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended > recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies > immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you > should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the > authority of the Department of Human Services. > > Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual > sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of > the Department. > > Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant > and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been > maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, > interception or interference. > > If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding > this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System > Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au > ____________________________________________________________________________ _____ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:24:36 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Digital images was Re: RE: scanners was Re: Cookups Message-ID: BIG files from perfect transparencies, almost shot on 6x6cm or 5x4". And then they have been optimised in Photoshop....and sharpened, and the tonal range has been modified.... easy really! Just says it was printed in inkjet, not that it was shot digital. N >BTW does anybody know what type of files are used for those perfect print >out samples that are used as promos for the inkjet printers? you know the >ones that say "original print out of a photo done with HP or Epson XPTO >printer? -- su3264NOSPAM@eclipse.co.uk To reply, remove "NOSPAM" from my address. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:26:28 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: British Aeroplanes 1914-1918 Message-ID: >If this the book by Jack Bruce, its two inches thick, contains data on just >about every British aircraft built. Get it. So this is where old bass players go............ N -- su3264NOSPAM@eclipse.co.uk To reply, remove "NOSPAM" from my address. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:16:25 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: mailbox crash - was Re: Re: german rib tapes Message-ID: <3BD90DC9.2000509@bg.am.lodz.pl> Muth and Zulick wrote: > Techmod decals I use has no rib tapes so I have to make my own. > > Witold > Try EagleStrike decals for the rib tapes. They are beautiful. Come in > both scales and 1 sheet has both pink and blue. I used them on the Fokker > D-VII in my gallery sections and they went on great. > Mike Muth My mailbox yesterday had bad day, everthing was mixed, subject form one message, body from another, most of mails only subjects two or three mails in one, no attachments... This is only one mail I got in noram contition, but thanks to archive I could read what I lost. Eagle Strike decals are very nice. I have tehir 1:48 4 color loz and I think it is the best I ever seen. Techmod looks like very new lozenge with quite fresh colors. they looks real great on your Fokker. I have found them on Eagle Strike website, so many, so nice, colours looks good. To buy or not to buy... Less work to do, but more money to spend -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:20:48 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: PC10 + PC-12- Hey! BOB PEARSON Message-ID: That's fine, Bob, I'm haunting the model shops in Melbourne tomorrow so I'll check out the Tamiya paint range (might look at my colour charts for other equivalents also tonight) Thanks for your help Neil E. (PS I haven't forgotten, I still want to order that CD!) _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. 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(now working late) Nigel Cheffers-Hear To: Multiple recipients of list d Subject: [WWI] Re: British Aeroplanes Sent by: 1914-1918 wwi@wwi-model s.org 26/10/2001 05:18 PM Please respond to wwi >If this the book by Jack Bruce, its two inches thick, contains data on just >about every British aircraft built. Get it. So this is where old bass players go............ N -- su3264NOSPAM@eclipse.co.uk To reply, remove "NOSPAM" from my address. _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:33:37 -0700 From: "Mike Franklin" To: Subject: Arthur Rhys-Davids SE5a of 56 Squadron Message-ID: <000001c15df0$a8c4f9a0$27edfc9e@picker> Hello good people, I am in need of a pointer to a photo Arthur Rhys-Davids SE5a of 56 Squadron. Baring that, does anyone know what is the aeroplane identification letter and serial number of this a/c? And, does this a/c have the 18" white stripe around the rear of the fuselage? I have looked through the 'in action' and the 'regular datafile' to no avail. Thanks, Mike Franklin Bellingham, WA USA "No man is so hated as he who will drive the speed limit" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:29:22 +0200 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "Wwi Modeling List (Posta elettronica)" Subject: Re: Today in history - The Italian front Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E906F212@SERVER1> I am sorry, Peter, but your references do not match with mines. It really seems that Italian losses during the Caporetto battles were the following: - 300.000 men lost amongst killed, wounded and prisoners; - about 300.000 men dispersed; - 3.150 guns lost; - 1.732 bombards lost; - 3.000 machine guns lost. Very heavy losses, as can be easily seen. And to an extent to bring the French and British military authorities to believe that there were no chances to stop the Austro-German offensive on the Piave - Grappa - Asiago plateau line. Nevertheless, the offensive was actually stopped on that line, as HRH the King Vittorio Emanuele III predicted in November 1917, refusing the joint French and British proposal of a deeper retreat. There is a BIG difference between dispersed and diserted. Although I do not have any specific references about this, there is little doubt that many of those who were dispersed (and were not captured by advancing Austro-German troops) later rejoined the Italian army. Do you have any reliable datas about this ? Apart from this, there is really little doubt that all WW1 military leaderships made serious errors, but there is also little doubt that the Italian military leadership did not make more errors than their French, British, Russian, German or Austrian counterparts, the different situations in which they operated being taken into account of course. It is not a matter of national pride here. It is a matter of facts. How many soldiers died on the western front to no avail, in more than one battle ? Isn't it true that WW1 was a war of attrition on both fronts and that diserting cases in the A-H army were much more frequent and numerous than in the Italian army ? This is a very difficult topic to discuss with true knowledge and I am certainly not such an expert. But do you really believe that "the most incredibly stupid leadership imaginable" (as you called it) could have led the Kingdom of Italy to master the A-H empire? Do you really believe that it was sufficient to replace Italy's commander in chief (Gen. Cadorna, who was replaced by Gen. Diaz) to change such a complex and numerous leadership's attitudes completely and in such a way to win the war only one year later, the heavy losses sustained in the Caporetto battle notwithstanding ? All the very best, Alberto --------- Original message ----------- Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:47:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Fedders To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Today in history - The Italian front Message-ID: Pine.OSF.3.91.1011024084245.24320A-100000@saladin.wustl.edu> The noteworthy thing about the battle of Caporetto was the losses. The Italians lost about 10,000 killed and 30,000 wounded. Plus 300,000 taken prisoner and 400,000 deserted!! At the battle the Central Powers had 35 divisions (7 German and 28 Austrian) and the Italians had 41 divisions. (a division is usually 15-18,000 men). Thus the Italians lost more men by capture and desertion than the Central Powers had at the battle. This was not becasue the Italioans were cowards. They had fought bravely on that front under the most incredibly stupid leadership imaginable - they had finally had enough. After the battle *with British and French pressure) the Italians replace their commander in chief. For the air war see the articles by Kerr in OTF (prob 1987 and 1988). peter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:59:19 -0600 From: Charles Hart To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Harleyford books Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011026015919.00a1d980@spot.colorado.edu> Greetings All, Information about Harleyford books can be found at: http://www.wwi-models.org/misc/pubs/index.html The title "Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War" preceeded the Harleyford Fighter, Bomber & Recon, Marine volumes by a few years. "A/C of the '14-18 War" was put together by Owen Thetford who went on to co-author "German Aircraft of the First World War" with Peter Grey. Charles Hart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:01:56 +0200 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: Re: Mystery DH2 Detail Set Message-ID: Hello all, a few months ago Part etched a custom D.H.2 set for me. I had designed it for my BM model. The set was my experimental effort of P/E design, thus not everything is useable there. The set contains various variants of dashboard, Lewis gun, a number of big and small ammo drums, all types of ammo drum cases, rudder skeleton, stitching, access panels, control horns, prop bosses, metal wearings, and many more details. There was also a couple of different approachs to simulate wicker seat, but they are not very good. If someone is interested, mail me off list, and I'll send a scan of the set. I would ask Part owner about price of a short producing run. I expect the same price as the price of any commercial set. Tomasz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:10:15 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Arthur Rhys-Davids SE5a of 56 Squadron Message-ID: <200110260805.f9Q85v516352@mercury.rapidnet.net> Depends on what period you want it for. One of his SE5s (not SE5a) was serialed A4563, coded B6 and had a snakey line on the fuselage in July 1917. Wheel covers were the B Flight quartered blue/white.. after that the Sqn marking was a dumbbell on the aft fuselage, possibly in blue for B Flight (C Flight definately used red for theirs), the white band on the aft fuselage was authorized on 25 September 1917, so was NOT present during the fight with Voss. He flew 7 other SE5/5as. I have seen other photos of some of these aircraft in various publications Bob ---------- >From: "Mike Franklin" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Arthur Rhys-Davids SE5a of 56 Squadron >Date: Fri, Oct 26, 2001, 12:38 am > > Hello good people, > I am in need of a pointer to a photo Arthur Rhys-Davids SE5a of 56 Squadron. > Baring that, does anyone know what is the aeroplane identification letter > and serial number of this a/c? And, does this a/c have the 18" white stripe > around the rear of the fuselage? > > I have looked through the 'in action' and the 'regular datafile' to no > avail. > > Thanks, > > Mike Franklin > Bellingham, WA USA > > "No man is so hated as he who will drive the speed limit" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:20:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Arthur Rhys-Davids SE5a of 56 Squadron Message-ID: <20011026082055.92304.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Mike, Try FMP's "High in the Empty Blue". That book is mentioned in the 56 Sqdrn. booklet that comes with the Americals 56 Sq. markings sheets as one of the main references used in the preparation of the decals. Todd --- Mike Franklin wrote: > Hello good people, > I am in need of a pointer to a photo Arthur > Rhys-Davids SE5a of 56 Squadron. > Baring that, does anyone know what is the aeroplane > identification letter > and serial number of this a/c? And, does this a/c > have the 18" white stripe > around the rear of the fuselage? > > I have looked through the 'in action' and the > 'regular datafile' to no > avail. > > Thanks, > > Mike Franklin > Bellingham, WA USA > > "No man is so hated as he who will drive the speed > limit" > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3837 **********************