WWI Digest 3830 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: New kits - Tanks! by GRBroman@aol.com 2) Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" by GRBroman@aol.com 3) re:Another Fe2b question... by Sanjeev Hirve 4) Re: german rib tapes by "Ken Acosta" 5) Re: Newsletter by GRBroman@aol.com 6) RE: MICRO SOL & SET by Sanjeev Hirve 7) Re: Model Photos for Gallery by Mark Miller 8) Re: More gads by Jan Vihonen 9) Re: Where can I get a 1/48 engine by James Hudson 10) Jasta 6 paint scheme question by Sanjeev Hirve 11) The kit Voisin LAS by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_H=E9ctor_AFFLITTO_ECHAG=FCE?= 12) RE: MICRO SOL & SET by "Steven Perry" 13) Re: The kit Voisin LAS by "Lance Krieg" 14) Multi-subjects: by Robert Horton 15) Re: Fokker D.VII assumptions by "Rick Milas" 16) re: Hobby Shops in the Quad Cities RE: New kits - Tanks! by Todd Hayes 17) RE: Cookups by Shane Weier 18) Re: Model Photos for Gallery by "Ross Moorhouse" 19) Re: german rib tapes by Shane Weier 20) RE: Cookups by "Ross Moorhouse" 21) Re: ww1 vehicles by Steve Cox 22) Re: Formaplane by Steve Cox 23) RE: show report by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:49:48 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: Subject: RE: New kits - Tanks! Message-ID: <128.6797369.2908755c@aol.com> Now that soccer season is over, and I'm back from a little temporary duty on the east coast, I started wandering around the largest hobby shop in the Quad Cities, also known as my basement. I found yet another WWI armour kkit. There is a 1/72 resin FT-17, very nice. Not sure who makes it, but I have one on my shelf. I guess I bought it at the US Nationals last summer. Cool. Sort of like Christmas in October. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:08:31 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" Message-ID: <166.2cdca54.290879c0@aol.com> Ah, to heck with all that swastika stuff. Dicta Ira. Just get some models and have them build! :) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:12:17 -0400 From: Sanjeev Hirve To: "Wwi-List (E-mail)" Subject: re:Another Fe2b question... Message-ID: <5F935CCBFB73D511BA2000B0D079E11E01C801@cyberexch01.internal.evincible.com> Lance, The bands are on the booms and visible from the outside the cage. Mayhaps it is intended to warn the unwary ground crew from stepping into the boom cage too close to the prop. ?? Being a pusher, one also has to watch out for stuff getting sucked in.. scarves, neckties, etc. regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:15:03 -0500 From: "Ken Acosta" To: Subject: Re: german rib tapes Message-ID: This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_E9B3084C.80E1A664 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Michael suggests: "My solution is to cut my own rib tapes using decal paper sprayed with = whatever colour you want. The advantage is that touch-ups can be done = using the same colour matched paint, especially useful for trailing or = leading edge tapes." And I respond: I like that idea. What colors/brands do you use for your blue and pink? TIA- KA nb: a highly-ot blowtorch for a friend who used to fly them nu: Eduard 1/48 Pfalz D.IIIa Profi --=_E9B3084C.80E1A664 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="TEXT.htm"
Michael suggests:
"My solution is to cut my own rib tapes using decal paper sprayed with whatever colour you want.  The advantage is that touch-ups can be done using the same colour matched paint, especially useful for trailing or leading edge tapes."
 
And I respond:
I like that idea.  What colors/brands do you use for your blue and pink?
TIA-
KA
 
nb: a highly-ot blowtorch for a friend who used to fly them
nu: Eduard 1/48 Pfalz D.IIIa Profi

--=_E9B3084C.80E1A664-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:14:54 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Newsletter Message-ID: Karen, Testors Model master Field Drab is about as perfect a matcha s you will get. Glen In a message dated Wed, 24 Oct 2001 1:12:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, GRBroman writes: > > Attached ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:17:30 -0400 From: Sanjeev Hirve To: "Wwi-List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: MICRO SOL & SET Message-ID: <5F935CCBFB73D511BA2000B0D079E11E01C802@cyberexch01.internal.evincible.com> Folks, Let me add my 2 bits. Here is how I do it. 1- apply 2 coats of future, dont be too patient with it 2- apply decals, let sit 2-3 days 3- wash off all future with ammonia 4- coat with gloss/semi-gloss/dullcote in acryl or lacquer. No silvering, no wait time, decal edges almost invisible. regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2001 13:26:31 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Model Photos for Gallery Message-ID: <20011024202631.5145.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> Neil I was looking at your models in the gallery and noticed the Albatros DV from Jasta 12 with the star of david on the side. I have seen reference on this AC which indicated that the "lines" which make up the star were considerably thinner than those on your AC. I was wondering if anyone has conclusive evidence one way or another on this. Personaly - I hope your version is right - it looks better that way :-) I'm interested because I have generated this scheme for my virtual Alabatros and I depicted the star with much thinner lines. BTW - nice model - I particularly like the wood effect mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:32:48 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: More gads Message-ID: <3BD71760.840BBCDC@helsinki.fi> Matt, Since you mentioned Finnish use of swastika, here are some info concerning it. Count Eric von Rosen, Swedish explorer, who donated the first aircraft to the Finland had blue swastikas painted on the undersides of the wings of Thulin Typ D (a Swedish modified version of Morane Saulnier L). The white background for the swastika was originally just the overpainting of the logo of the previous owner, a flying school. The blue swastika was his personal lucky sign, which was embroidered even to his pyjamas. The first airplane marked thus arrived in Finland on 6. March 1918 (see, it's practically OT!) and on 13. March then commander of the Finnish Aviation Park captain A. Hygerth recommended it to be adopted as official national emblem. On 18. March General Mannerhein, the C-in-C, in his order-of-the-day No. 26 ordered it to be adopted. (Adolf got the bright idea of using swastika in the summer of 1920, according to William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.) Jan (the Finn) > Okay, sorry to continue this off topic post. However, does anyone know > where I can go for information on the swastika prior to nazi Germany? > > Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:42:18 -0400 From: James Hudson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Where can I get a 1/48 engine Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20011024164218.00905740@hcsmail.com> Well guys, Thanks for the replies. I'll try Rollmodels first since that is who most of you recommended. Regards, Jim Hudson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:44:46 -0400 From: Sanjeev Hirve To: "Wwi-List (E-mail)" Subject: Jasta 6 paint scheme question Message-ID: <5F935CCBFB73D511BA2000B0D079E11E01C803@cyberexch01.internal.evincible.com> I need some help on the paint scheme for jasta 6 Fok DVIIs. As I understand the jasta paint scheme, the nose has angled black-white stripes running down the sides and bottom. In the colour profile (plate 4) in the Fok Anthology-1, the stripe orientation on the bottom is barely visible, but look incorrect. There are 2 possibilities: 1- The stripes maintain the same side-view angle on the bottom surface. Sounds unlikely, but that is how it is depicted in the colour profile. 2- the stripes maintain the same angle in bottom view. In other words, in side view, the stripes on the bottom appear to angle back sharply. This is definitely easier to paint. If you have a photograph showing the nose underside, can you check this for me, or better still, send me a scan. Thanks SSH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 05:50:10 -0300 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_H=E9ctor_AFFLITTO_ECHAG=FCE?= To: "WWI Lista" Subject: The kit Voisin LAS Message-ID: <001101c15c68$ea1feec0$b70de818@fibertel.com.ar> Hi folks!!!!!!! The kit Voisin LAS MCL006 is available from the shoping? >From the Voisin LAS the Scale Models From Russia answered!!!!!!!!! ....""Dear Martin. The kit can be found in a week or two. It costs about $60""" Sincerely, Andrey Prozorovskiy. ergu sum!!!!!!!!!!!! Martin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:33:14 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: RE: MICRO SOL & SET Message-ID: <002101c15cd3$7db5b600$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> > A general question to the list. I am quickly approaching the point when I > will be applying decals to my Dr. 1. First time I will be using Future. My > previous experience has always been with Micro Sol. What setting solution > is recommended so as not to stain the Future base coat? > R/ > Greg Balzer Avoid using anything that smells like vinegar. It reacts with Future. Micro-Set smells like vinegar and reacts badly with Future. Micro-Sol works just fine with Future. hth sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:45:25 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: The kit Voisin LAS Message-ID: Martin crows: " ergu sum!!!!!!!!!!!!" Well, here's some more Latin for you: "Caveat emptor" If you get it, I'll be standing in line to turn over my money, too, so good luck! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:52:46 -0500 From: Robert Horton To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Multi-subjects: Message-ID: <3BD7382E.E3BB83FA@netexpress.net> Hi again: We're back at re-subscribed after a two week hiatus and a mess of computer server problems...for the couple of artillery guys that I had talked to before unsubscribing...we'll be back with you in a couple of days and start getting organized. A question about OT motors...as good a book as I have seen is: A History of Aircraft Piston Engines," by Herschel Smith, copywrite in 1986, softbound, 250+ pages, published by Sunflower University Press, Manhattan, Kansas. It was $16.00 US and I bought it shortly after it came out... Finally airport displays: anyone going thru Albuquerque, N.M. airport should check out the model display show cases on the lower consourse. The displays were mainly conceived to show aircraft that were somehow tied to Albuquerque av-history and there were at least four or five big cases filled some years ago....I have four that I built for the display, the nearest to OT being the Fokker T-2 in 1/48th scale scratchbuilt....The other really neat airport display is right here at Moline Airport in the main concourse...an original restored Moline Monocoupe with the Monocoupe 5 cylinder engine that schucked push rods like popcorn. It is a beauty!....so enough...glad to be back and on line...later guys...Bob Horton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:57:40 -0500 From: "Rick Milas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fokker D.VII assumptions Message-ID: Thanks Matt, for the info on the Jasta 7 marking. Rick Milas >From: "Matt Bittner" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: Fokker D.VII assumptions >Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 05:16:58 -0400 (EDT) > >On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:01:37 -0400 (EDT), Rick Milas wrote: > > > I can't answer your question, but I have one of my own. I'm very much > > interested in Jasta 7 and was wondering what Jasta 7 markings come on >the > > decal sheet you're refering to? Thanks. > >It's for the machine that has 'H' on its fuselage sides and the port >upper wing. If you have the D.VII Anthology, Part 1, look at the >overhead shot of Jasta 7, and you can make out that particular D.VII in >the line up. > > >Matt Bittner > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:59:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: Hobby Shops in the Quad Cities RE: New kits - Tanks! Message-ID: <20011024215908.72530.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Glen, What hobby shops do you recommend? I've been to Major Art and Hobby just off of Brady in Davenport, MVR also off Brady, and Hobby Town at 53rd and Ridge Ave. None of them has much to interest me. I'd take this off-list, but other listees might find it interesting if/when paasing through the Quad Cities. Todd --- GRBroman@aol.com wrote: > Now that soccer season is over, and I'm back from a > little temporary duty on the east coast, I started > wandering around the largest hobby shop in the Quad > Cities, also known as my basement. I found yet > another WWI armour kkit. There is a 1/72 resin > FT-17, very nice. Not sure who makes it, but I have > one on my shelf. I guess I bought it at the US > Nationals last summer. Cool. Sort of like > Christmas in October. > Glen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:08:06 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Cookups Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD695@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Ross replies to Diego > | > Yes, and I have at least 30 good clear cockpit photos of > | > one - unheard of luxury! > | Did you read this Ross? > | I guess you'll have to visit Brisbane soon with a bottle of > | good red wine! > Yes I did. Haven't had time to respond.... > > Shane get that scanner going please... I am working on a SMER 504.. ;) > I don't *have* a scanner. And my cockpit shots are a mix of rollfim colour slides and colour prints - there are about 10 cockpit prints the rest being slides and almost impossible to scan. However - the same applied to my photos of the SE-5a at AWM, and I sent Neil a spare set of prints to use in building his BM SE-5a (incidentally he's kindly scanning them for me, and I'll send them to Al for the site) Maybe you'd like to borrow a set of AVRO 504 prints? IIRC I should have about 30 *prints* including 10 cockpit pics. They're of the post war machine at AWM's Treloar centre, but the structure isn't different and the instrumentation looks okay to me. *OR* I can make a visit to a friend who has a scanner and beg the use of it - then post the pics to Alan for the web site. This may take longer, but then *everyone* gets access. Mmmm. Or I can send you the spares, take my copies to Jonno, and we get the best of both worlds. What say you? Should I post them? Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:23:00 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Model Photos for Gallery Message-ID: <005a01c15cda$73a98540$08c7223f@umber> WOW Neil, I love your SMER SE5a.. Can't wait to see the BM one you are working on. :) Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Wright" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 5:27 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Model Photos for Gallery | Whoops! That's only part of it - your MAIN gallery is here: | | http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Eddy/index.html | | Thanks again, | Al | | > Neil, | > | > Thanks for your contribution to the website. Your image gallery is | > here: | > | > http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Eddy/CP/index.html | > | > Nice models! | > Al | | ============================================================================ === | Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside | University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- | Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org | Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org | ============================================================================ === | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:28:27 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: german rib tapes Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD696@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Witold asks about tapes and Michael answers: > But, I think some aeroplanes had pink rib tapes on the upper > and lower > surfaces, similarly with blue rib tapes. My *personal* opinion is that with the exception of lozenge taped machines virtually *all* aircraft had the same colour top and bottom. I've spent a lot of time over this, and I can't say that there are exactly hundreds of examples where photos exist showing both upper and lower sides of the same aircraft, but on those that I have *every* one has the same colour tape on both surfaces. Also - take a look for example at Stropp and Albatros D.Va 5390/17 at AWM. Both have restored finishes *but* both sets of conservators used pink tapes top and bottom. Why? Then think about why the tapes are put on the wing. They're there to protoect the weakened frabric along the rib line (weakened by the holes made by the needle stitching it in place. Why the hell would you break the strengthening tapoe at the point it gets th e*most* stress (at the leading edge) just to get two different colours. Makes no sense whatever. I believe that the tapes were run contiuously from trailing edge, over the leading edge and back again, then doped in place and finally the leading and training edge tapes applied. Just my opinion of course. IMHO the idea that blue tape=top, pink tapes=bottom was introduced to the modelling world by Microscale and holds no water whatever. > So I think there is no definitive > answer. I suppose the only thing you can do is decide which > particular > scheme you are doing and check the references. If the > references are not > definitive, suit yourself; i.e. "Dicta Ira". Good advice. Despite my personal belief I've made one Albatros using the two tape system on the Dicta Ira principal. I did not have fun - using one colour is quicker and easier! Witold says: > >Blue is quite dark - shouldn't it be lighter? If so what > >colour do you suggest? Be cautious of assuming that the blue tape should be light blue because it appears so light on photos. So do the blue rings on RFC roundels, and for the same reason - the use of ortho film. Again only MHO, but the blue I use is more or less similar to that on French roundels, maybe even slightly darker. YMMV!! > >And last question - was rib tape on leading edge of wing? I think it > >should be but I'm not sure. It should be. And on the tips and trailing edge. Also often around the ailerons and sometimes along the ailerons "ribs" though not always. Another - "check your references" I'm afraid. Same applies to the tailplane, elevators and rudder! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:34:12 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: Cookups Message-ID: <007901c15cdc$038e4320$08c7223f@umber> Post Post Post mate.. I think it would be great if the rest of the list had access to them as well by way of Allan and the WWI List site. But would also like a copy myself. ;) Thanks mate, looks like I really owe you a XXXX or 2. Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:09 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Cookups | Ross replies to Diego | | | > | > Yes, and I have at least 30 good clear cockpit photos of | > | > one - unheard of luxury! | | > | Did you read this Ross? | > | I guess you'll have to visit Brisbane soon with a bottle of | > | good red wine! | | > Yes I did. Haven't had time to respond.... | > | > Shane get that scanner going please... I am working on a SMER 504.. ;) | > | | I don't *have* a scanner. And my cockpit shots are a mix of rollfim colour | slides and colour prints - there are about 10 cockpit prints the rest being | slides and almost impossible to scan. | | However - the same applied to my photos of the SE-5a at AWM, and I sent Neil | a spare set of prints to use in building his BM SE-5a (incidentally he's | kindly scanning them for me, and I'll send them to Al for the site) | | Maybe you'd like to borrow a set of AVRO 504 prints? | | IIRC I should have about 30 *prints* including 10 cockpit pics. They're of | the post war machine at AWM's Treloar centre, but the structure isn't | different and the instrumentation looks okay to me. | | *OR* I can make a visit to a friend who has a scanner and beg the use of it | - then post the pics to Alan for the web site. This may take longer, but | then *everyone* gets access. | | Mmmm. Or I can send you the spares, take my copies to Jonno, and we get the | best of both worlds. What say you? Should I post them? | | Shane | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ********************************************************************** | The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is | intended only for the use of the addressee(s). | If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or | copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to | forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the | MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. | | e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au | phone: Australia 1800500646 | International ++61 7 38338042 | ********************************************************************** | | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:37:29 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: ww1 vehicles Message-ID: Mark, I have some pictures taken at Duxford of the 'trench warfare' section , lots of guns and some vehicles, and also a mobile workshop. Most are very dim as the lighting is not set up for photography but I can send them if you're interested. Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: Mark Miller > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:01:38 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] ww1 vehicles > > WW1 Vehicles > As I said in a previous post - I'm looking to create a Virtual Aerodrome so > that I can generate some ground scenes. > A major element of an effort like this has to be ground vehicles. - Flat beds, > tanker trucks, electrical generator trucks, staff cars, motorcycles etc. > I've been looking for data on vehicles like this (especially scale plans) for > some time now. > Best info I've received so far was in response to a post on this list about a > year ago. > > TIA > Mark Miller ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:37:27 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Formaplane Message-ID: I have a few of these vacs Friedrichshafen GIII very shiny plastic, ribs are sunk rather than raised, everything is very deeply moulded. Hansa B W29 much as above but moulding is better Hansa B W12 as W29 DFW B1 plastic is OK but wing ribs are rough- not straight and 'blobby', though they are raised. MoS AI best of the bunch, ribs are sunk but very faintly If you can find another manufacturer they are almost certainly going to be a better buy. I bought all mine as a very cheap job lot when a model shop closed down. I have started the AI and the DFW, the others will wait until I have no other kits left, and then be used as a templates for scratchbuilding. You could use them to practice on if you haven't made vacforms before Regards Steve nb =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:34:38 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Formaplane > > Hi list! > What do you think about Formaplane? (please, more than in Diego's > vacu list, which I've already read) > I've got Albatros D.XI prototype, very cheap, but very bad too. Set > contains bad vacu sheet, some nice strut material, and details in > white metal, not very good and accurate, except wheels which are just > OK (seat is for example exact copy of Airfix SPAD VII seat). > That model can be only inspiration, as almost everything should be > thrown away and made from scratch. > Bye > G. > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:41:54 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: show report Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD697@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Neil says: > Shane, It's not that well-detailed models don't always win > that upsets me. I've seen plenty of overdetailed models > that aren't really very good, they can have basic faults, and > uneven detailing. It's when a guy has spent a lot of time and effort > on a model, and gets beaten by someone who's just shaken his Tamiya > kit together, maybe added som PE stuff, and then done a good paintjob. > It's difficult to make a mistake on something like that, whereas > the guy who tries to do something better, is opening the door wide > open for the whole gammet of mistakes, nearly all of us on this > list know about mistakes! I just feel that too much emphasis is put > on finding them, and too little into looking at what really > constitutes a > good model. This I understand. Unfortunately, at shows, several things militate against a form of judging which gives credit for teh amount of work involved. Principally amongst them is the impossibility of finding a corps of judges who know everything about every kit - and therefore can tell how much effort it was to make a particular model. This falls in much the same category as attempting to judge accuracy - again impossible without an omniscient judging pool. The consequence is that we fall back on a system which may be imperfect, but which experience says will minimise angst for all concerned - that is, we judge on modelling skills alone, and look for faults to distinguish the impeccable from the merely wonderfull. Mind you - it isn't *impossible* to judge allowing for "degree of dificulty" and we do this at one of my clubs. However, the judges manual is about 40 pages long, it takes about 8 hours solid work to train a judge to the barely competent level, and another year before s/he is safe to be let loose without the Chief Judge dogging every step. AND judging a single model takes about 15-20 minutes, which is okay for the bimonthly club contest but not at a major show with hundreds of models to judge. (David Charles of this list was Chief Judge at RSM when I learned their system. I suspect I took longer than 1 year to get to the stage of being safely left off his leash. Now, after 10 years, it's my turn to badger the learner judges) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3830 **********************