WWI Digest 3828 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: WW1 modeler's hell and heaven by Rory Goodwin 2) Re: WW1 modeler's hell and heaven by "Lee M." 3) Re: IRAS Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter by Rory Goodwin 4) Re: WW1 modeler's hell and heaven by "Fr. Craig Gavin" 5) Color questions by Karen Rychlewski 6) Re: WW1 modeler's hell and heaven by Shane Weier 7) What airbrushes list members use and why by "Paul" 8) Today in history - The Italian front by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 9) What airbrushes do list members use and why? by "Paul" 10) Re: More gads by =?iso-8859-1?q?jim=20Prendergast?= 11) Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" by Crawford Neil 12) Re: Color questions by David Fleming 13) Re: Fokker D.VII assumptions by "Matt Bittner" 14) Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" for Tom S. by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 15) Re: WW1 modeler's hell and heaven by Crawford Neil 16) photoetched brass as a way of sanctity by "Diego Fernetti" 17) RE: photoetched brass as a way of sanctity by Crawford Neil 18) RE: Cookups by "Diego Fernetti" 19) RE: Cookups by "Ross Moorhouse" 20) RE: New kits by "Diego Fernetti" 21) Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" by Mark Miller 22) re:Another Fe2b question... by Paul Thompson 23) german rib tapes by Witold Kozakiewicz 24) Eduard 1/48 Nieuport 11 by "Paul" 25) RE: MICRO SOL & SET by Balzer Mr Gregory P 26) egads OT by Mark Miller ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:28:16 -0700 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: WW1 modeler's hell and heaven Message-ID: <3BD64360.D0BC8D61@earthlink.net> Uh, not wanting to be a wet blanket, but I only build models because I can't travel back in time. I'd settle for one conversation with Lufberry, Cooper, Hughes, Udet, Boelcke, Nungesser, or any of those who dared dance with the devil at the dawn of the modern age. I'll have to be satisfied with reading their words and making flawed representations of their beautifully primitive (primal?) flying machines. Diego Fernetti wrote: > First of all, I guess that the modeler's hell is one of the outer rings of > Hades, since most modelers are good natured people and can't do much harm, > but they probably can skip a sunday or two from mass, to work for a contest > deadline or such. What's the suffering destined to them after they pass > away? Well, it depends on each one's guilt but, generally speaking most > theologists agree on: > > - Building a Naglo Quadruplane without references. > - Cleaning flash of Merlin kits forever > - Building a perfect model (man you have ETERNITY to finish it!) but using > corroding paint. > - Building models of the whole German Air Service of the summer of 1918 and > then a low cathegory devil tells you that the losenge must be applied > otherwise. > - Paint wheel hubs. ONLY wheels hubs for all the eternity. > - Build Revell's Fokker D.VII with Hermann Göring nagging you behind your > back. > > Of course, those modelers virtuous enough and that before death repented > from building Me1** and in 1/48 scale, may be carried by a host of biplane > cherubs to the big workbench in the skies and then: > > - Find a complete set of all WW1 related publications > - Receive a free pass to visit Heaven's own aviation museum, where are > stored Guynemer's and Saint Ex last airplanes (BTW they are always walking > by and very glad to show you personally their machines) > - You get all the kits whose issue was announced but were never released in > your lifetime. For free. > - Hobby knife blades never get dull. > - Decals never yellow and are thin and without translucence. > - 1/72 engines do work! > - Photoetched parts never get lost on the white floor of clouds. > - Bill Bacon is there waiting for us and, by golly, he KNOWS wich hue of > blue in the french roundel is! > > D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:52:53 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: WW1 modeler's hell and heaven Message-ID: <3BD64925.20E06574@x25.net> That s' as good a reason as any I have ever heard. I have read what they had to say but it is never quite the same as being there. My litttle Cub, L4, had a bad habit of flying upside down periodically and I never was quite sure why, but, I do believe the ghosts of days long past had a bit to do with it. My favorite plane on simulators is the "Camel" and Snoopy is my guide and instructor. In past years I have made a lot of "Camels". As usual gave them all away. I would love to get some in 1/28th...or 1/32nd. Lee M. Rory Goodwin wrote: > Uh, not wanting to be a wet blanket, but I only build models because I can't > travel back in time. I'd settle for one conversation with Lufberry, Cooper, > Hughes, Udet, Boelcke, Nungesser, or any of those who dared dance with the > devil at the dawn of the modern age. I'll have to be satisfied with reading > their words and making flawed representations of their beautifully primitive > (primal?) flying machines. > > Diego Fernetti wrote: > > > First of all, I guess that the modeler's hell is one of the outer rings of > > Hades, since most modelers are good natured people and can't do much harm, > > but they probably can skip a sunday or two from mass, to work for a contest > > deadline or such. What's the suffering destined to them after they pass > > away? Well, it depends on each one's guilt but, generally speaking most > > theologists agree on: > > > > - Building a Naglo Quadruplane without references. > > - Cleaning flash of Merlin kits forever > > - Building a perfect model (man you have ETERNITY to finish it!) but using > > corroding paint. > > - Building models of the whole German Air Service of the summer of 1918 and > > then a low cathegory devil tells you that the losenge must be applied > > otherwise. > > - Paint wheel hubs. ONLY wheels hubs for all the eternity. > > - Build Revell's Fokker D.VII with Hermann Göring nagging you behind your > > back. > > > > Of course, those modelers virtuous enough and that before death repented > > from building Me1** and in 1/48 scale, may be carried by a host of biplane > > cherubs to the big workbench in the skies and then: > > > > - Find a complete set of all WW1 related publications > > - Receive a free pass to visit Heaven's own aviation museum, where are > > stored Guynemer's and Saint Ex last airplanes (BTW they are always walking > > by and very glad to show you personally their machines) > > - You get all the kits whose issue was announced but were never released in > > your lifetime. For free. > > - Hobby knife blades never get dull. > > - Decals never yellow and are thin and without translucence. > > - 1/72 engines do work! > > - Photoetched parts never get lost on the white floor of clouds. > > - Bill Bacon is there waiting for us and, by golly, he KNOWS wich hue of > > blue in the french roundel is! > > > > D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:52:00 -0700 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: IRAS Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter Message-ID: <3BD648F0.165AC938@earthlink.net> No profile, but a picture of Alexander Riaboff's Strutter is in his 'Gatchina Days' book (highly recommended). Looks to be Duxs light gray on all surfaces (including interplane & 'W' struts), machine-turned (?) metal cowling and what appear to be IRAS roundels on at least lower surfaces of lower ring and probably upper surfaces of upper wing. No rudder flash, serials or other markings visible. According to the Profile, N5219 and N5244 were sent to Russia in 1916 (several more were sent to North Russia but were not used until after the Armistace); at least one ex-RNAS Strutter (A1527?) and some French licence-built ac also ended up there. I'll keep looking, as I'm planning on building the Toko kit as a IRAS/RCW White forces ac. Who made the 1/48 vac strutter kit? HTH, Michael Kendix wrote: > Does anyone know where I would find a profile for the, apparently, only > Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter used by the IRAS? Cannot find it in the FMP tome. > > Michael > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:08:09 -0500 From: "Fr. Craig Gavin" To: Subject: Re: WW1 modeler's hell and heaven Message-ID: I'll gladly sell indulgences for those of you needing absolution of your sins, "known and unknown, things done and left undone." Having lurked on this list for neary two years now, I sense this is going to be put me in the BIG time. Just don't tell my Bishop. Most Episcopalians frown on this sort of stuff. - Craig + P.S. Exorcisms off-list are a possiility too. > From: "Diego Fernetti" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 06:31:13 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] WW1 modeler's hell and heaven > > First of all, I guess that the modeler's hell is one of the outer rings of > Hades, since most modelers are good natured people and can't do much harm, > but they probably can skip a sunday or two from mass, to work for a contest > deadline or such. What's the suffering destined to them after they pass > away? Well, it depends on each one's guilt but, generally speaking most > theologists agree on: > > - Building a Naglo Quadruplane without references. > - Cleaning flash of Merlin kits forever > - Building a perfect model (man you have ETERNITY to finish it!) but using > corroding paint. > - Building models of the whole German Air Service of the summer of 1918 and > then a low cathegory devil tells you that the losenge must be applied > otherwise. > - Paint wheel hubs. ONLY wheels hubs for all the eternity. > - Build Revell's Fokker D.VII with Hermann Göring nagging you behind your > back. > > Of course, those modelers virtuous enough and that before death repented > from building Me1** and in 1/48 scale, may be carried by a host of biplane > cherubs to the big workbench in the skies and then: > > - Find a complete set of all WW1 related publications > - Receive a free pass to visit Heaven's own aviation museum, where are > stored Guynemer's and Saint Ex last airplanes (BTW they are always walking > by and very glad to show you personally their machines) > - You get all the kits whose issue was announced but were never released in > your lifetime. For free. > - Hobby knife blades never get dull. > - Decals never yellow and are thin and without translucence. > - 1/72 engines do work! > - Photoetched parts never get lost on the white floor of clouds. > - Bill Bacon is there waiting for us and, by golly, he KNOWS wich hue of > blue in the french roundel is! > > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 01:07:09 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: to post Subject: Color questions Message-ID: <3BD64C7D.AAA12200@earthlink.net> Good morning, guys, or good afternoon, or whatever... I've been lurking somewhat lately, what with a series of minor disasters after my return from Chicago (clock radio died, clothes dryer died and needed a $90 tiny part that took the repairman 10 minutes to install, telephone answering machine refuses to delete messages, car had a flat tire, and I developed low back pain for no good reason). But I have been diligently working little by little on the machine gun motorcycle, the Dornier, and the DH1a. The instructions with the British Clyno motorcycle say to paint the thing "Humbrol Dark Earth" --besides the fact that I don't have this particular little tinlet, it looks 'way too brown to me. I recall a thread a while back which I'm too lazy to look up about British armor colors (armour colours??). Wouldn't a dark green be just as suitable? If someone wants to recommend a specific color, try to make it in the Testor's Model Master line. Also: what would the great minds on the list think of TMM Olive Drab FS 34087 for the basic color for British uniforms? --going off to bed now, so I'll check later in the day. TIA Dame Karen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:25:37 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: WW1 modeler's hell and heaven Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD693@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Fr Craig offers: > I'll gladly sell indulgences for those of you needing > absolution of your > sins, "known and unknown, things done ....short list > and left undone." You won't live so long ;-) > Having lurked on > this list for neary two years now, I sense this is going to > be put me in the > BIG time. Just don't tell my Bishop. Most Episcopalians > frown on this sort > of stuff. - Craig + P.S. Exorcisms off-list are a possiility too. Send price list. My Konig needs exorcising. It makes *me* feel like vomiting green peas. Shane nb. Brass bits. 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If you would be so kind, I'd like to know: Name of list member: Preference for scale/subjects: (i.e. 1/400 aircraft, 1/2 armor etc.) Make of airbrush: (i.e. Badger, Iwata etc.)=20 Model of airbrush: (i.e. 100SG. Eclipse, VL)=20 Why you chose that brush:(i.e. fit hand, good price, looked really neat) This is totally unscientific and not for any reason other than to = satisfy my curiosity. =20 Thanks in advance, Paul H ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C15C2D.28686AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C15C2D.28686AE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:35:30 +0200 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "Wwi Modeling List (Posta elettronica)" Subject: Today in history - The Italian front Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E906F207@SERVER1> Today is a very special day for Italian WW1 enthusiasts, as it marks the beginning of two extremely important battles: - 24th October 1917: the battle of Caporetto begins. It will end on the 26th November 1917, when the Italian forces stopped the Central Powers divisions on the Piave - Grappa mountain - Asiago plateau line. It was the last truly successful offensive of the Central Powers on the Italian front. - 24th October 1918: the second battle of the Piave begins. It will lead to final victory over the A-H empire. Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 02:11:49 -0500 From: "Paul" To: "WW I Post" Subject: What airbrushes do list members use and why? Message-ID: <006f01c15c5b$2880e600$859d8ece@computer> Hi all, Sorry for the previous MIME post, new computer-old forgetful brain... I'm just curious to see what preferences list members have as far as airbrushes, and if there is a correlation between preferred scale and choice of airbrush. Please reply off list so we don't gum up the works for everyone. If you would be so kind, I'd like to know: Name of list member: Preference for scale/subjects: (i.e. 1/400 aircraft, 1/2 armor etc.) Make of airbrush: (i.e. Badger, Iwata etc.) Model of airbrush: (i.e. 100SG. Eclipse, VL ) Why you chose that brush:(i.e. fit hand, good price, looked really neat) This is totally unscientific and not for any reason other than to satisfy my curiosity. Thanks in advance, Paul H phoward@abilene.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:52:43 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?jim=20Prendergast?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: More gads Message-ID: <20011024075243.58560.qmail@web14405.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Lee M." wrote: > Swastika is not German... It is found in English > dictionaries. > > The germanic name is HACKENKREUZ and it means > broken or chopped cross. It > is actually two words which is common in German. > Hack(en) and kreuz. Easy > to look up, in a German dictionary, as two words, > but, difficult as one > word. (In fact you may never find it that way.)... > > Lee M. > New Braunfels, Tx > > Tom Solinski wrote: > > > This one looks like the gold mine of the entire > history > > > > http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/weblist.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Matt Bittner > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 8:52 PM > > Subject: [WWI] More gads > > > > > Okay, sorry to continue this off topic post. > However, does anyone know > > > where I can go for information on the swastika > prior to nazi Germany? > > > > > > > > > Matt Bittner > > > > > >The swastika has been around for millineums. Believe even he ancient Egyptians used it as an artform...likewise your own "Red" Indians. Said to mean in some languages "Kismet" or"fate". Lots of photos of RAF or RFC kites have the crooked cross slapped on the fuselage. That brings the conversation back to OT. Cheers Jim P. > > > > http://briefcase.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Briefcase - Manage your files online. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:07:09 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" Message-ID: I think you are being a bit harsh on Sweden here Tom, thousands probably even tens of thousands, but millions seems a bit too much. And (donning my Swedish hat) I think we were not much worse than the rest of the world during the 17th century. We were probably worse behaved during the 10th and 11th century (I think) when the Vikings were a terror to most of Europes coasts. And can we stop this swastika talk now, it's ot. /Neil C. Tom wrote: Is she going to ban Swedish topics for the millions of Poles they killed in the 17th century. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:46:31 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Color questions Message-ID: <3BD67FE7.4E343EBE@dial.pipex.com> Karen Rychlewski wrote: > The instructions with the British Clyno motorcycle say to paint the > thing "Humbrol Dark Earth" --besides the fact that I don't have this > particular little tinlet, it looks 'way too brown to me. I recall a > thread a while back which I'm too lazy to look up about British armor > colors (armour colours??). Wouldn't a dark green be just as suitable? If > someone wants to recommend a specific color, try to make it in the > Testor's Model Master line. British armour was certainly painted a brown colour, IIRC Humbrol dark earth was given as a quite good match for the 'milk chocolate' colour that certainly mk IV tanks & later were painted. It came as a shock to me when I painted my tank in brown, but comparing it to relics recently recovered in Belgium, it's not too bad, maybe a little dark,. Can't be sure, but I think green was not used on British vehicles until the post WW1 period. That said, I have also seen references to dark grey for road vehicles (just to throw another one into the pot !) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 04:16:32 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Fokker D.VII assumptions Message-ID: <200110240914.CAA15908@harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:01:37 -0400 (EDT), Rick Milas wrote: > I can't answer your question, but I have one of my own. I'm very much > interested in Jasta 7 and was wondering what Jasta 7 markings come on the > decal sheet you're refering to? Thanks. It's for the machine that has 'H' on its fuselage sides and the port upper wing. If you have the D.VII Anthology, Part 1, look at the overhead shot of Jasta 7, and you can make out that particular D.VII in the line up. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:23:49 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" for Tom S. Message-ID: <006301c15c6d$97f522a0$0200a8c0@x.pl> > Is she going to ban Swedish topics for the millions of Poles they killed in > the 17th century. Tom, not millions!, That's true that in XVIIth century we lost millons, but due to combined effort of Turkey, Sweeden, Russia and Cossacks, and also diseases that their armies brought. It was realy terrible century for Poland, but comparable to WWII. Greetings! Grzegorz (sorry for ot, I think that it is only necessary correction) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:14:59 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: WW1 modeler's hell and heaven Message-ID: > Shane > > nb. Brass bits. I hate brass bits. > > Me too, wish Harry Woodman never invented the damn things! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:35:43 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: photoetched brass as a way of sanctity Message-ID: <00db01c15c77$a28b8240$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil wrote: > wish Harry Woodman never invented the damn things! St. Harry invented brass detiling bits as a way to find the righteous path for the modeler: brass details are tiny and can be lost easily, and despite their diminutive size, they add a lot of value to the whole model. So must be us, humble as a PE turnbuckle but important as a PART in the whole of the universe. With apologies to Rv. Sharon :-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:40:05 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: photoetched brass as a way of sanctity Message-ID: They do cause a lot of blasphemy, so I guess you're right it's a sort of test of spiritual strength, guess I fail! /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Diego Fernetti [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: den 24 oktober 2001 12:32 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] photoetched brass as a way of sanctity > > > Neil wrote: > > wish Harry Woodman never invented the damn things! > > St. Harry invented brass detiling bits as a way to find the > righteous path > for the modeler: brass details are tiny and can be lost > easily, and despite > their diminutive size, they add a lot of value to the whole > model. So must > be us, humble as a PE turnbuckle but important as a PART in > the whole of the > universe. > With apologies to Rv. Sharon :-) > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:57:41 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Cookups Message-ID: <015501c15c7a$b3d60e00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Did you read this Ross? I guess you'll have to visit Brisbane soon with a bottle of good red wine! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:20 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: Cookups > Diego says: > > > But I'll insist on a AVRO CookUp someday! That's a nice, and > > quoting Shane tE, homely airplane. > > Yes, and I have at least 30 good clear cockpit photos of one - unheard of > luxury! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:15:22 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: Cookups Message-ID: <01d701c15c7d$2f342b20$d8c7223f@umber> Yes I did. Haven't had time to respond.... Shane get that scanner going please... I am working on a SMER 504.. ;) cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 8:54 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: Cookups | Did you read this Ross? | I guess you'll have to visit Brisbane soon with a bottle of good red wine! | D. | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: Shane Weier | To: Multiple recipients of list | Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:20 PM | Subject: [WWI] RE: Cookups | | | > Diego says: | > | > > But I'll insist on a AVRO CookUp someday! That's a nice, and | > > quoting Shane tE, homely airplane. | > | > Yes, and I have at least 30 good clear cockpit photos of one - unheard of | > luxury! | | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:41:08 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: New kits Message-ID: <01d301c15c80$c5b00120$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> That made me suspicious as well, but it says so in the excel file that they send. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Grzegorz Mazurowski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 4:57 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: New kits > Diego! > If EE is Eastern Express, it can't be true. > > list of EE 1/72 kits that included Nieuport 23, 24 and > > 27.... I was unable to contact the distributor. Anyone knows more > on > > this? > AFAIK EE didn't make any single their own model, all are reissues of > Toko, Dako-plast or Frog/Novo. > G. > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2001 04:44:54 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" Message-ID: <20011024114454.1346.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Wed, 24 October 2001, Crawford Neil wrote: I think you are being a bit harsh on Sweden here Tom, thousands probably even tens of thousands, but millions seems a bit too much. And (donning my Swedish hat) I think we were not much worse than the rest of the world during the 17th century. We were probably worse behaved during the 10th and 11th century (I think) when the Vikings were a terror to most of Europes coasts. > > And can we stop this swastika talk now, it's ot. > /Neil C. Neil If Sweden needs to look as far back as the 17th century to find actions/beliefs which are embarassing by modern standards than they are an AMAZING people indeed!! History is not a pretty story and ALL cultures/nations can look into the VERY recent past and find some disturbing stuff. But I think we can all agree that hiding/distorting it is disgraceful and downright dangerous. We try so hard on this list to uncover the smallest historical truth (voss cowl for instance) It's extremly disturbing to see people trying to hide history because it doesn't fit present day ideology. What's next - book burning?? Matt - Good luck with your local education system I suspect your fight will not be with the teacher but with bureacrats on the board of ed. I have a feeling you'll need all the luck you can get. Mark Miller Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:04:25 +0200 From: Paul Thompson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re:Another Fe2b question... Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011024135356.00a6b910@pop.xs4all.nl> Sanjeev, Good point about why multiple stripes. So, warning bands are more likely then. Red is then also more likely. Maybe it also explains why some photos don't show them. I can see warning stripes being left off or not replaced after repairs, but reinforcing strips would surely always be present? Well, mine is still not on the shelf, so I think I'll go for the red........ Cheers, Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:54:59 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: german rib tapes Message-ID: <3BD6BA23.6060403@bg.am.lodz.pl> Hi, few simple questions. There were three types of rib tapes, blue, pink and lozenge. Lozenge is quite simple - upper on uper lower on lower surfaces but I have some problems with blue and pink. Eduard generaly suggests blue on upper and pink on lower surfaces. Is it correct? Or it should be only blue or only pink? Blue is quite dark - shouldn't it be lighter? If so what colour do you suggest? and what for pink? Any paint equivalent or FS number? And last question - was rib tape on leading edge of wing? I think it should be but I'm not sure. Thanks -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:03:25 -0500 From: "Paul" To: "WW I Post" Subject: Eduard 1/48 Nieuport 11 Message-ID: <008901c15c8c$45295cc0$d09d8ece@computer> Has anyone built this kit yet? I saw one built at our local IPMS show, but since I was heavily involved in the more mundane aspects of putting on the contest, he had whisked his lovely creation away before I could speak with the builder. It looks lovely in the box... Paul H ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:02:54 -0400 From: Balzer Mr Gregory P To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: MICRO SOL & SET Message-ID: <47637867E285D5118FAE00B0D0D1C976BF96F2@TECOM03E> A general question to the list. I am quickly approaching the point when I will be applying decals to my Dr. 1. First time I will be using Future. My previous experience has always been with Micro Sol. What setting solution is recommended so as not to stain the Future base coat? R/ Greg Balzer -----Original Message----- From: Tom Plesha [mailto:plesha3@home.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 6:26 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] MICRO SOL & SET Hi- Anyone know what will take the micro-sol and/or micro-set stains off of future, before I re-coat it with Future? Poly-S Plastic prep will not, water will not! I had to use some of it on the Pup for some decals that went over some scribed lines. TIA Tom ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2001 06:47:04 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: egads OT Message-ID: <20011024134704.20954.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> Matt It occurs to me that you (we) might be focusing on this swastika thing a little too much. Your purpose is to teach these kids about WW1 aircraft, so how important are swastikas? I would think it has VERY little to do with your subject. What you got here is a golden opportunity to get some kids involved in our hobby. so... are you bringing in a kit for each kid? how are you going to collect enough tools to go around? Are you brave enough to bring in any of your models? I imagine you will first give some kind of presention, will you have access to an LCD projector? If so you could collect a lot of interesting images on a zip or something (right off the ww1 modelers site) I've participated in a school program called career day at a local elementary school. I brought my laptop and hooked it up to an LCD projector and it worked great. one thing this experience made clear to me is... teaching is HARD work. three hours of it left me exhausted I must agree with the xacto knife ban - I've been using them for years and I still manage to slice myself open now and then. and kids that age tend to be awkward and clumsy Probably all for the best though - most kids will not want to deal with elaborate parts preparation . Keep your eye out for the ones that DO want to take it further, shouldn't take you to long to figure out who is REALY interested. Those are the ones you want cultivate. speaking of "kids that age" YIKES... junior high be afraid ... be very afraid :-) Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3828 **********************