WWI Digest 3827 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: WW1 modeler's hell and heaven by Shane Weier 2) MICRO SOL & SET by "Tom Plesha" 3) Addition to the site by "Matt Bittner" 4) Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" by Todd Hayes 5) Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" by "Lee M." 6) RE: show report by Shane Weier 7) Eric's Gotha WAS : I'm Finally Back by Shane Weier 8) Re: Addition to the site by "Matt Bittner" 9) Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 10) Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" by "Tom Solinski" 11) Re: cook-up query by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 12) Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" by "Brad & Merville" 13) Re: Addition to the site by David Fleming 14) Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" by "Michael Kendix" 15) Re: Addition to the site by "Matt Bittner" 16) More gads by "Matt Bittner" 17) Re: More gads by "Michael Kendix" 18) Re: More gads by Todd Hayes 19) Re: More gads by "Tom Solinski" 20) Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" by Shane Weier 21) Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" by "Tom Solinski" 22) Re: Fokker D.VII assumptions by "Rick Milas" 23) RE: IRAS Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter by Rory Goodwin 24) Re: More gads by "Lee M." 25) Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" by "Lee M." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:22:16 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: WW1 modeler's hell and heaven Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD68D@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> D > First of all, I guess that the modeler's hell is one of the > outer rings of > Hades, (snip) > - Paint wheel hubs. ONLY wheels hubs for all the eternity. Eduard masks will be provided for all sizes of whell. Half won't stick. The other half will leak Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:24:26 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: MICRO SOL & SET Message-ID: <000901c15c11$7a81a240$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi- Anyone know what will take the micro-sol and/or micro-set stains off of future, before I re-coat it with Future? Poly-S Plastic prep will not, water will not! I had to use some of it on the Pup for some decals that went over some scribed lines. TIA Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:35:09 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Addition to the site Message-ID: Well, I was reading the Hyperscale forum when someone asked about the EE/Temeks MoS Type I. One of the listees (sorry, can't remember who) replied about my built one, but also mentioned that the link to the review doesn't work because IM took their older reviews off line. So, I uploaded the EE MoS Type I review that was originally on IM into the French pages for now, and may move them to another section at some (much) later date. LMK what everyone thinks. http://www.wwi-models.org/misc/FrenchWW1/index.html I also want to clean up and add/remove items from these pages, but I have to find the time, first... Matt Bittner WW1 Site Assistant Editor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 15:37:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" Message-ID: <20011023223759.33037.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Matt, On the subject of Swastikas, you might tell her that it does no one any good to sanitize history which is what would be done by failing to use them within their proper context. Todd --- Matt Bittner wrote: > Okay, I was contacted out of the blue by a local > junior-high teacher to > help organize - and participate - in a modeling club > she's forming. > That's the good cool news. I definitely will show > them the advantage > (fun wise ;-) to WW1 modeling, both air and ground. > > Now the "egads". She told me they won't be using > XActo blades (cripes, > but okay, if we have enough sandpaper and nippers > and maybe saws) but, > the one that really got me, was no swastikas. > Argh!!! Now I > understand what the nazi's did to the swastika, but > in my mind - first > and foremost - the proper one was a symbol of good > luck. > > I do plan on talking reasonably with her, and > showing her the WW1 > aircraft that flew with swastikas and it wasn't > considered "evil". > However, I would also like to ask the list other > arguments I could use > to sway her opinion. I will show and mention the > WW2 Finns. I will > explain to her that "those who ignore history are > doomed to repeat it". > But, I was wondering if there is more I can use. > > And trust me - I do see the German's point of view > that due to the > nazis it has come to represent a symbol of evil... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:58:42 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" Message-ID: <3BD5F621.C5F2CF76@x25.net> There is a Statue of Buddha near Chai-i, in central Taiwan, I believe it is over 600 years old, (Some one there told me it was more than 1000.) and there is a Swastika on the V at the baseof the neck. I have seen it repeated many times there and in other countries. So the "evil" of the Swastika lies in the mind of the beholder, not in the emblem itself. Secondarily there is nothing that will change history or make society better by eliminating the truth. Lying about the facts that did occur will only increase the probabilty that other truths will be hidden as well. The teachers of the world should be well enough educated that they can visualize the foolishness of teaching lies. The ommision of the emblem is just another form of unwarrranted propaganda. And an admission that the world is ill prepared to face the truth. As you have already mentioned, it is not practical to ignore the facts, the swastika was on WW I aircraft well before the nasties arrived. Some person needs to apply a few brain cells to reasoning. Even the American Indians used it as an emblem. Lee M. Matt Bittner wrote: > Okay, I was contacted out of the blue by a local junior-high teacher to > help organize - and participate - in a modeling club she's forming. > That's the good cool news. I definitely will show them the advantage > (fun wise ;-) to WW1 modeling, both air and ground. > > Now the "egads". She told me they won't be using XActo blades (cripes, > but okay, if we have enough sandpaper and nippers and maybe saws) but, > the one that really got me, was no swastikas. Argh!!! Now I > understand what the nazi's did to the swastika, but in my mind - first > and foremost - the proper one was a symbol of good luck. > > I do plan on talking reasonably with her, and showing her the WW1 > aircraft that flew with swastikas and it wasn't considered "evil". > However, I would also like to ask the list other arguments I could use > to sway her opinion. I will show and mention the WW2 Finns. I will > explain to her that "those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it". > But, I was wondering if there is more I can use. > > And trust me - I do see the German's point of view that due to the > nazis it has come to represent a symbol of evil... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:55:01 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: show report Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD68E@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Pedro, answered by Neil, > > Seems the judges prefer the buy it all > > rather than the do it yourself method... > > This drives me nuts, seems like it's a worldwide disease, but I've > gone off the deep end about this before, I'll try and calm down. Maybe it happens but...... I've been a judge for many years, sometimes a chief judge, and more recently President of the committee organising our main model show and contest for this State. And I can tell you that in that time I've seen *many* beautifully detailed models which (at arms length, and given 15 minutes examination) I thought *must* win a contest section, but which *didn't* In virtually every case a dispassionate review of the judging showed that I was wrong. All too often, one set of eyes (mine) will miss a fault which three sets will not. All too often my own biases will prefer one model over another - while the reduction of that bias by using a judging team will give a better (whilst never "perfect") result. I don't believe that judges never make mistakes, but the "buy it all" method doesn't work worth damn in these parts, and I don't believe it works all that well anywhere that the organisers take the contest seriously. (thinking of a massively opened up FW-19* using multiple detail sets, which was expected by many to win the BoS a couple of years back, but was beaten comprehensively by a model with no detail sets in it at all) Shane > ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:00:55 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Eric's Gotha WAS : I'm Finally Back Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD68F@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Brent says: > My tour de force, Eric's Gotha, has been > neglected for far too > long. I have fondled the resin a few times lately but am unable to do > anything to it. Which brings me to asking - has anyone on list finished one of these wonderfull kits yet? I don't recall, and I'm hanging out to see what it looks like in the finished state. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:41:13 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Addition to the site Message-ID: <200110232239.PAA00205@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Oh yea, click on Morane, then 1/72nd Models, scroll to Type I, and you'll find it there. ;-) Maybe that should be one of the redesigns... On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:35:59 -0400 (EDT), Matt Bittner wrote: > Well, I was reading the Hyperscale forum when someone asked about the > EE/Temeks MoS Type I. One of the listees (sorry, can't remember who) > replied about my built one, but also mentioned that the link to the > review doesn't work because IM took their older reviews off line. So, > I uploaded the EE MoS Type I review that was originally on IM into the > French pages for now, and may move them to another section at some > (much) later date. LMK what everyone thinks. > > http://www.wwi-models.org/misc/FrenchWW1/index.html > > I also want to clean up and add/remove items from these pages, but I > have to find the time, first... > > > Matt Bittner > WW1 Site Assistant Editor > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:52:19 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" Message-ID: Matt; Why not suggest to her a brief session with her school children on the "history of the swastika" showing its uses through history, including how it was adopted and perverted by the National Socialists, and why some countries discourage its use today. This would allow the kids to put it in a context, and put a stop to any fears of 'contamination' the teacher may have. All the Best Neil E. _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. 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Now I > understand what the nazi's did to the swastika, but in my mind - first > and foremost - the proper one was a symbol of good luck. Ask her if she is going to also ban: The flag of the Confederacy and the battle flag of the Confederacy because they were the predominate slave states? Or will she ban the history of ALL states that allowed slavery? Will she ban the Himaru for all the slaughtered Chinese? Or for that matter will she ban all models made by Japanese companies? And if she's going to do that is she going to ban PRC Chinese markings for the millions of Christian Chinese slaughtered by the communist's? Is she going to ban Italian aircraft for killing Ethiopians? Is she going to ban models of the Vatican for all the murdered Protestants? Is she going to ban British and Irish models for all the murdered Catholics? Is she going to ban Indian models for all the murdered Moslems? Is she going to ban Pakistani models for all the murdered Hindi's Is she going to ban Swedish topics for the millions of Poles they killed in the 17th century. And finally is she going to take the militant Native American position and ban all U.S. vehicles with white stars or a US Flag because of the millions of slaughtered Native Americans? When I was a kid, it was through these models that I first learned of these atrocities, how EVIL and cruel war can be. Tell here that after Shindler's list I never wanted to build another Nazi model, but HOW WILL IGNORING THE REALITIES OF THE PAST MAKE THEM ANY BETTER? HTH Tom S Major, USAFR (ret.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:05:01 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: cook-up query Message-ID: G'day Shane; I've got a Eduard 1/48 Sopwith Triplane in the cupboard and I thought I would do Robert Little's N5493 "Blymp". I don't think anyone is doing this aircraft last time I looked on the old site (some time ago though). If someone else is doing it, I can always find another subject. Also what is the actual deadline for the Cook-Up? All the Best Neil E. >No it's not - whatcha want to submit ;-) >Shane _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. 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I definitely will show them the advantage >(fun wise ;-) to WW1 modeling, both air and ground. > >Now the "egads". She told me they won't be using XActo blades (cripes, >but okay, if we have enough sandpaper and nippers and maybe saws) but, >the one that really got me, was no swastikas. Argh!!! Now I >understand what the nazi's did to the swastika, but in my mind - first >and foremost - the proper one was a symbol of good luck. > >I do plan on talking reasonably with her, and showing her the WW1 >aircraft that flew with swastikas and it wasn't considered "evil". >However, I would also like to ask the list other arguments I could use >to sway her opinion. I will show and mention the WW2 Finns. I will >explain to her that "those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it". > But, I was wondering if there is more I can use. > >And trust me - I do see the German's point of view that due to the >nazis it has come to represent a symbol of evil... > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 01:05:04 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Addition to the site Message-ID: <3BD605B0.452704D8@dial.pipex.com> Matt Bittner wrote: > Well, I was reading the Hyperscale forum when someone asked about the > EE/Temeks MoS Type I. One of the listees (sorry, can't remember who) > replied about my built one, but also mentioned that the link to the > review doesn't work because IM took their older reviews off line. So, > I uploaded the EE MoS Type I review that was originally on IM into the > French pages for now, and may move them to another section at some > (much) later date. LMK what everyone thinks. > That was me. Thanks Matt. Encouraged me to dig mine out. Now, who's for a Morane cookup (ducking...........) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:22:40 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" Message-ID: Matt: Here's my view on these modelling issues and a brief explanation. I definitely have it in for Nazis. I don't build German WW2 stuff BUT, if someone else wants to, that's their business. I don't like anyone else laying down the law about what should be built by anyone else. If this person is starting off like this, it's a bad sign and likely to be far more trouble than it's worth. If this is an issue due to involvement with the local education authority, that would be a deal breaker in my view. Michael >From: "Matt Bittner" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Good news - mixed with "egads" >Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:49:52 -0400 (EDT) > >Okay, I was contacted out of the blue by a local junior-high teacher to >help organize - and participate - in a modeling club she's forming. >That's the good cool news. I definitely will show them the advantage >(fun wise ;-) to WW1 modeling, both air and ground. > >Now the "egads". She told me they won't be using XActo blades (cripes, >but okay, if we have enough sandpaper and nippers and maybe saws) but, >the one that really got me, was no swastikas. Argh!!! Now I >understand what the nazi's did to the swastika, but in my mind - first >and foremost - the proper one was a symbol of good luck. > >I do plan on talking reasonably with her, and showing her the WW1 >aircraft that flew with swastikas and it wasn't considered "evil". >However, I would also like to ask the list other arguments I could use >to sway her opinion. I will show and mention the WW2 Finns. I will >explain to her that "those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it". > But, I was wondering if there is more I can use. > >And trust me - I do see the German's point of view that due to the >nazis it has come to represent a symbol of evil... > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:44:33 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Addition to the site Message-ID: <200110240142.SAA26517@pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:15:53 -0400 (EDT), David Fleming wrote: > That was me. Thanks Matt. Encouraged me to dig mine out. Now, who's for a > Morane cookup (ducking...........) Me, Me!!! ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:52:33 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: More gads Message-ID: <200110240150.SAA04008@pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Okay, sorry to continue this off topic post. However, does anyone know where I can go for information on the swastika prior to nazi Germany? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 01:59:42 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: More gads Message-ID: Matt: Just search the web on swastika history - there is a load of stuff right there. As Lee mentioned, it is fairly ancient in origin. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:05:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: More gads Message-ID: <20011024020553.18987.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Matt, I would think a reputable encyclopedia would have plenty of info. Check the university library there. They should have more than you need. From here on, I'll take this off-list. Todd --- Matt Bittner wrote: > Okay, sorry to continue this off topic post. > However, does anyone know > where I can go for information on the swastika prior > to nazi Germany? > > > Matt Bittner > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:05:05 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: More gads Message-ID: <000e01c15c30$4cc5c6a0$a6a20d41@Solinski.okcnc1.ok.home.com> This one looks like the gold mine of the entire history http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/weblist.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 8:52 PM Subject: [WWI] More gads > Okay, sorry to continue this off topic post. However, does anyone know > where I can go for information on the swastika prior to nazi Germany? > > > Matt Bittner > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:10:28 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD690@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Tom S says: > Tell here that after Shindler's list I never wanted to build > another Nazi > model, but HOW WILL IGNORING THE REALITIES OF THE PAST MAKE > THEM ANY BETTER? Rather ot, but if you've seen Schindlers List, now is a good time to read Thomas Kennealy's "Schindlers Ark" and get the whole story. Not that SL tells untruths, it just leaves out some less palatable truths, and omits entirely the major contribution of *Mrs* Schindler (Hollywood, busy dumbing down history again) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:53:36 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" Message-ID: <000601c15c37$13987600$a6a20d41@Solinski.okcnc1.ok.home.com> Thanks Shane I'll look into the book Tom , now is a good time to read > Thomas Kennealy's "Schindlers Ark" and get the whole story. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:01:00 -0500 From: "Rick Milas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fokker D.VII assumptions Message-ID: Hi Matt, I can't answer your question, but I have one of my own. I'm very much interested in Jasta 7 and was wondering what Jasta 7 markings come on the decal sheet you're refering to? Thanks. Rick Milas >From: "Matt Bittner" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Fokker D.VII assumptions >Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 05:12:49 -0400 (EDT) > >Okay, LMK if anything thinks this is strange (well, besides coming from >me, that is). > >Since there aren't that many close up photos of Jasta 7 Fokker D.VIIs, >and since the Delta Decals comes with a Jasta 7 D.VII, here is my >assumption. The one or two close up photos of J7 D.VIIs show early >machines, but there are no close up photos of the D.VII on the decal >sheet. Is it safe to assume that the D.VII on the decal sheet is an >early Fokker D.VII? I am going on that assumption, but wanted to post >my query to the list. > > >Matt Bittner > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:04:01 -0700 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: IRAS Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter Message-ID: <3BD62FA1.6DF9835@earthlink.net> Tomasz, I'd like scans of these profiles even if Michael doesn't. The Russian Civil War is one of the most complex and engrossing tragedies of history, and the aviation aspect is fascinating. TIA, Rory ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:49:38 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: More gads Message-ID: <3BD63A52.1E497F3B@x25.net> Swastika is not German... It is found in English dictionaries. The germanic name is HACKENKREUZ and it means broken or chopped cross. It is actually two words which is common in German. Hack(en) and kreuz. Easy to look up, in a German dictionary, as two words, but, difficult as one word. (In fact you may never find it that way.)... Lee M. New Braunfels, Tx Tom Solinski wrote: > This one looks like the gold mine of the entire history > > http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/weblist.html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matt Bittner > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 8:52 PM > Subject: [WWI] More gads > > > Okay, sorry to continue this off topic post. However, does anyone know > > where I can go for information on the swastika prior to nazi Germany? > > > > > > Matt Bittner > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:07:22 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Good news - mixed with "egads" Message-ID: <3BD63E7A.E3579DC2@x25.net> I may try that book myself. It sounds interesting. Lee M. Shane Weier wrote: > Tom S says: > > > Tell here that after Shindler's list I never wanted to build > > another Nazi > > model, but HOW WILL IGNORING THE REALITIES OF THE PAST MAKE > > THEM ANY BETTER? > > Rather ot, but if you've seen Schindlers List, now is a good time to read > Thomas Kennealy's "Schindlers Ark" and get the whole story. > > Not that SL tells untruths, it just leaves out some less palatable truths, > and omits entirely the major contribution of *Mrs* Schindler (Hollywood, > busy dumbing down history again) > > Shane > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. 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