WWI Digest 3816 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) OT auctions by Charles Hart 2) RE: Trainers was Re: speaking of cookups by Crawford Neil 3) The Future is Clear, or Kleer by "fraser" 4) Talking about Bristols by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 5) TC Berg Nie.11 by "Matt Bittner" 6) More stuff by "Matt Bittner" 7) RE: Digicam back home by "Diego Fernetti" 8) Pegasus Vivckers Gunbus by "Brad & Merville" 9) RE: speaking of cookups - Avro 504K by Crawford Neil 10) RE: Caporetto by "Diego Fernetti" 11) Trainer cookup by "Diego Fernetti" 12) Re: EE S. 16 by "Michael Kendix" 13) RE: Trainer cookup by Crawford Neil 14) Re: Pegasus Vivckers Gunbus by "Michael Kendix" 15) Re: Digicam back home by "Dale Sebring" 16) RE: Caporetto by Peter Fedders 17) RE: Caporetto by Crawford Neil 18) RE: Caporetto by "Michael Kendix" 19) ÈÃÈËÁ÷¿ÚË®µÄsportsale.126.com by webmaster@hto.com 20) RE: Caporetto by Crawford Neil 21) Re: Trainer cookup by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 22) Re: Semi-Gloss finish by "Lance Krieg" 23) Re: Fat balkenkreuze by "Lance Krieg" 24) RE: Caporetto by "Michael Kendix" 25) RE: Caporetto by Crawford Neil 26) Re: Trainer cookup by "Muth and Zulick" 27) Doughboys:How Many Left? by "Muth and Zulick" 28) Re: collection planning by Crawford Neil 29) Re: Trainer cookup's etc by Ray Boorman 30) RE: Guitar string for rigging; was Re: Somewhat Urgent Help Needed by Scottfking@aol.com 31) RE: Guitar string for rigging; was Re: Somewhat Urgent by Scottfking@aol.com 32) Re: re: Bob Laskodi's Nie.11 by "StefenK" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 01:47:52 -0600 From: Charles Hart To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: OT auctions Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011019014752.00a2a100@spot.colorado.edu> Greetings All, Check out : http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1652288260 and follow the "Other Auctions" link. Many tasty items. Charles Hart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:48:12 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Trainers was Re: speaking of cookups Message-ID: That's Michael Carlsson, and he's super-human, he built both of those replicas, starting with a tree that he sawed down in his own forest. He's working on a Fokker DVII now. He started building R/C models, I think he might have won the world championships, not sure, but he was in that league, then just carried on in 1/1 scale. He's a brilliant pilot, flies airliners for Transwede, and as often seems to be the case with these supermen, a very nice guy. I was once lucky enough to have a chat with him, when he was packing his Tummelisa into a trailer. I've seen him fly the Bleriot and I agree it's a fantastic experience, the comparison to a butterfly immediately comes to mind. I think Louis Bleriot's grandson was too inexperienced, incidentally Michael flew the channel with his Bleriot a couple of years ago, successfully. /Neil C. > > Hi Hans, Neil (Crawford?) and all. > Saw a Swedish pilot (can't recall his name right > now) fly his Bleriot each day over Easter 2000 at > Wanaka New Zealand. No problems, even sometimes in a > little wind, and he seemed to thoroughly enjoy > himself, sometimes flying at about 100 ft with both > hands clasped above his head. Also flew his > Tummalisa, a little Swedish fighter of around the > later part of WWl or the early postwar years. Truly > magnificent sight. Be pleased to post photos of both > kites if anyone is interested. > Cheers, Jim P. > > > > > http://briefcase.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Briefcase > - Manage your files online. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 07:51:35 +0200 From: "fraser" To: Subject: The Future is Clear, or Kleer Message-ID: <000201c15877$9beae6a0$70d57ac3@fraserinprague> Thanks for the info guys, I'm off to Blighty for a week to do 'Vital Research' - Hendon, Imp. War Museum,Yeovilton... and buy a few things I can't get over the counter here - Aeroclub or Blue Max Bf2 for one.My visa card is going into action. Toodle Pip Fraser ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:36:33 +0200 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: Talking about Bristols Message-ID: A few days ago Steven touched the question of Palestine based Bristol M.1Cs. As far as I understand general consensus is that bottom surfaces of those aircraft were light blue. But is this theory supported by any written relation or documents? If the theory is based on photos only, the bottom surfaces could be aluminum doped as well. Any clue? Tomasz P.S. Sorry if the topic has been already explained. I was kicked out of the list twice recently and I have lost many threads. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:16:03 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: TC Berg Nie.11 Message-ID: Just came across this on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1652108792 It's the resin - and relatively accurate (more so than any other) - TC Berg Nieuport 11 in 1/72nd. Excellent kit! Normally I would bid on it myself, but I won one about three months ago. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:20:52 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: More stuff Message-ID: Well, the person selling the TC Berg Nie.11 has a whole ton of stuff, off and on topic. Check i out: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=worj&in clude=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 07:39:11 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Digicam back home Message-ID: <00d101c1588a$4a4bd760$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Steve! The pictures are great, I've never seen on of those little fokkers (pun intended) built before. What did you used for the spoked wheels? D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Perry > http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sperry03/newmodels.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 06:42:40 -0400 From: "Brad & Merville" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Pegasus Vivckers Gunbus Message-ID: <004c01c1588a$c744f1c0$d0aafed8@default> I just got a news flash from Pegasus that their Gunbus is now available. See www.pegasusmodels.com/newspeg.html . The boxart the Blue Max Bristol M1c is available for viewing at www.pegasusmodels.com/index2.html and next up for Blue Max is the Phonix D.I. Cheers Brad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 12:49:58 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: speaking of cookups - Avro 504K Message-ID: We had some civil Avro 504's in Sweden, but they were also rather boring. /Neil C. > > Folks, > > I am catching up with Email after getting home from South Africa. > (Found nothing OT, closest was flying in a chartered Convair > Metropolitan) > > Like the idea on an Avro 504K cook-up, does someone have an idea > as to how many countries this aircraft flew in during/after WW1? > Think most list members should be able find one in the markings > of his/her country - didn`t some that landed behind German lines > receive crosses on top of the roundels? > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 08:31:49 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Caporetto Message-ID: <01b801c15891$a49c6660$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Alberto wrote: > French and British superior officers beleived that the Italian Army could > not face the next attack successfully, also because of the heavy losses of > bellic materials they suffered, but things went differently and the Central > Powers' offensive was stopped before British and French reinforcements could > support the Italian effort. The few things that I've read -wich were writeen according british sources- certainly put an accent on the indispensable help of the british contingent to stop further losses duirng this battle. :-0 I would bet my casque adrian that if I read a french account, they would say that the attacks were stopped thanks to the elan of the poilus. History is a coin of many sides, ain't it? D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:05:25 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: Trainer cookup Message-ID: <01ff01c15896$55f765a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Bonjour mesdames et messieurs Well, after serious and judicious exchanges of mail amongst Monsieur Moorhouse et moi, we've arrived to the conclusion that a "International Trainer CookUp" may be the popular choice, since it will please most of the people in the list and after all that's why we did all cookups after all! The complexity in this idea is that the scope of reference material for this project is far wider than a single manufacturer/topic cookup so we've tought that the place must be subdivided in sections, for instance Jennies, Nieuports, Farmans, Avros and Naglos. For this we need volunteers to take charge of the individual sections, to recollect the references sent by the listees, edit them (some html knowledge is required) and later send them to the head webmaster of this project, Monsieur Moorhouse même. So far I already choose the nieuport trainers section (if Matt nor Mike have objections) but I may handle any other type if someone else wants Nieuports. Ah, the Opening page illustration is being taken care of, so it'll be an AVRO! What do you think? Wich other sections must we include? I guess that we can "open" this cookup by next month or so, once the design layout is set and some reference material begins to pour into our hands. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 12:11:54 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: EE S. 16 Message-ID: Mårten: The Eastern Express Sikorsky S.16 has a number of things about it that you might want to adjust. I built one about 2 years ago for Internet Modeler but that issue is no longer on line. 1. It's a little small - I estimate it is in 1/81 scale. 2. The horizontal tail is well off in shape and size - I made anew one using the plans in the FMP S-16 book. 3. The model is a mixture of different S-16 versions. I made mine as close to an S-16ser as possible - I beleive I had to fill in the ailerons on the lower wing. Mine was on skis. 4. You have to sand things off a bit to get the fuselage gun to fit. That's all I can remember: after all, it's been over two years:). Best of luck. Michael Michael >From: Tyllström Mårten@mustang.sr.unh.edu > >I´v got struck by that "uggie-drive" so often mentioned on this list. >Yesterday I took out my Eastern Express Sikorsky.XIV and began to put >the parts togerther. The fuselage halves dont match so good aft the >cockpit, Otherwise it looks OK. I have added some plastic-strips on >the inside of the "pilotcompartment" just to try to bring som life into >that area. However I have some doubts about the fin and rudder. That >piece seem to be to small compared to the boxtops illustration. > >If someone have any information about the real thing I´d be very glad. >It´s only the fin and rudder I´m thinking of. > >One other thing is funny. The decals that came with the kit is for a >Morane Solnier. That is easy to fix though. > >Br >Mårten > > > > >_________________________________________________ >Mårten Tyllström >Volvo Trucks KMA >Dept 29680, TLA. >SE-405 08 Gothenburg, Sweden > >Telephone: +46 31 3213906 >E-mail: marten.08.tyllstrom@volvo.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:13:16 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Trainer cookup Message-ID: You would need a DH6 section of course! /Neil C. (not volunteering) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 12:46:59 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Pegasus Vivckers Gunbus Message-ID: Brad: Interesting. just wanted to remind folks that adecent and less expensive resin kit is available from VAMP made by TOM-M. It has some shortcomings: e.g. the horizontal tail, but is well made in general. See an earlier article in Internet Model for a review and build up pictures at: http://www.internetmodeler.com/1999/nov99/first-looks/tomm_fb5.htm Of course, you may wish to replace the resin struts but with Pegasus's kits, you have to make your own too. Michael >From: "Brad & Merville" > >I just got a news flash from Pegasus that their Gunbus is now available. >See www.pegasusmodels.com/newspeg.html . The boxart the Blue Max Bristol >M1c is available for viewing at www.pegasusmodels.com/index2.html and next >up for Blue Max is the Phonix D.I. > >Cheers >Brad > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 07:33:35 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Digicam back home Message-ID: <002f01c158a2$a7f6cc40$a5b58dd0@main> Beautiful jobs Steve-thanks for sharing! Dale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 08:35:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Fedders To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Caporetto Message-ID: If fact, what stopped the Central Powers advance at Caporetto is that the German pulled all their troops (including aircraft) back to the western front! After that the Austrias were badly outnumbered and out-supplied even without the massive British help. The Brits surely exaggerate things but there are records on the number of divisions sent! peter On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Diego Fernetti wrote: > Alberto wrote: > > French and British superior officers beleived that the Italian Army could > > not face the next attack successfully, also because of the heavy losses of > > bellic materials they suffered, but things went differently and the > Central > > Powers' offensive was stopped before British and French reinforcements > could > > support the Italian effort. > > The few things that I've read -wich were writeen according british sources- > certainly put an accent on the indispensable help of the british contingent > to stop further losses duirng this battle. :-0 > I would bet my casque adrian that if I read a french account, they would say > that the attacks were stopped thanks to the elan of the poilus. History is a > coin of many sides, ain't it? > D. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:53:31 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Caporetto Message-ID: We should also remember that we have had a second world war since then, in which Britain and Italy were against each other. So naturally in the propaganda of that time the British would say that the Italians wouldn't have managed without them, and the Italians that the British were no help at all. It's a pity that wars not only change the course of history, but also change our perceptions of history. Leo Oppdyke is always going on about Histiography, and this seems like a good example. /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Fedders [mailto:pfed@hbar.wustl.edu] > Sent: den 19 oktober 2001 15:43 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] RE: Caporetto > > > > > > If fact, what stopped the Central Powers advance at Caporetto > is that the > German pulled all their troops (including aircraft) back to > the western > front! After that the Austrias were badly outnumbered and > out-supplied > even without the massive British help. The Brits surely exaggerate > things but there are records on the number of divisions sent! > > peter > > > > > coin of many sides, ain't it? > > D. > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:59:58 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Caporetto Message-ID: Rather than all this speculation, I think I need to te-visit Cyril Falls' work. Written in 1958, one hopes it was not the result of official propoganda but who knows. I think Falls is fairly well known and respected: he's written a number of similar works. Michael >From: Crawford Neil >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] RE: Caporetto >Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:55:40 -0400 (EDT) > >We should also remember that we have had a second world war since then, >in which Britain and Italy were against each other. So naturally >in the propaganda of that time the British would say that the > Italians wouldn't have managed without them, and the Italians >that the British were no help at all. It's a pity that wars not >only change the course of history, but also change our perceptions >of history. Leo Oppdyke is always going on about Histiography, >and this seems like a good example. >/Neil C. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Peter Fedders [mailto:pfed@hbar.wustl.edu] > > Sent: den 19 oktober 2001 15:43 > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WWI] RE: Caporetto > > > > > > > > > > > > If fact, what stopped the Central Powers advance at Caporetto > > is that the > > German pulled all their troops (including aircraft) back to > > the western > > front! After that the Austrias were badly outnumbered and > > out-supplied > > even without the massive British help. The Brits surely exaggerate > > things but there are records on the number of divisions sent! > > > > peter > > > > > > > > > coin of many sides, ain't it? > > > D. > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:16:22 From: webmaster@hto.com To: wwiinn.bbs@bbs.ntcn.edu.tw Subject: ÈÃÈËÁ÷¿ÚË®µÄsportsale.126.com Message-ID: <200110191407.KAA25300@mustang.sr.unh.edu> ÈÃÈËÁ÷¿ÚË®µÄsportsale.126.com ½øÈ¥Õâ¸öÍøվ֮ǰ£¬Òª×öºÃÐÄÀí×¼±¸£¬ÀïÃæµÄ¶«Î÷»áÈÃÄ㻶ϲÈô¿ñ£¬ÀïÃæµÄ¶«Î÷»áÈÃÄãÇã¼Òµ´²ú£¬ÀïÃæµÄ¶«Î÷»áÈÃÄã¿ÊÍûÎÞÏÞ...... ¡¡¡¡ ÕâÊÇÒ»¸öרÃŽéÉÜÍøÇòÓðëÇò×°±¸µÄÍøÕ¾£¬µ±È»£¬Äã¿ÉÒÔÀûÓÃÐÅÓÿ¨ÔÚÕâÀﹺÂò£¬²»¹ý¼ÛÇ®¾Í...... ¡¡¡¡Äã¿ÉÒÔÔÚÕâÀïÕÒµ½ºÜ¶àƽʱÄѵÃÒ»¼û µÄÅä¼þµÄ×ÊÁÏÒÔ¼°±¨¼Û¡£»ù±¾ÉÏËùÓеÄÖøÃûÆ·ÅƵÄ×îÐÂÇò¾ßºÍ¾­µäÎïÆ·¶¼Ó¦Óо¡ÓÐÁË£¬ ÍøÕ¾µÄ·ÖÀàÒ²±È½ÏÇåÎú£¬¼´Ê¹Ã»ÓÐÌõ¼þÂò£¬À´ÕâÀï¿´¿´Ò²ºÃ£¬²»¹ýÊÂÇ°¼ÇµÃÒª´øÖ½½í......ÓÃÀ´Ä¨¿ÚË®. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:09:50 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Caporetto Message-ID: Honestly I think 1958 is probably still too close to WW2, though it would depend on the author. I just read a history of the air-war in Malta written in the 50's, and it is attrocious, if anyone wrote anything so politically uncorrect around here there would be an uproar, despite being written 10 years after the war it is still blatant british propaganda. The question is if we will ever get rid of the effect of ww2 propaganda? /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Kendix [mailto:mkendix@hotmail.com] > Sent: den 19 oktober 2001 16:02 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] RE: Caporetto > > > Rather than all this speculation, I think I need to te-visit > Cyril Falls' > work. Written in 1958, one hopes it was not the result of official > propoganda but who knows. I think Falls is fairly well known > and respected: > he's written a number of similar works. > > Michael > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:13:22 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Trainer cookup Message-ID: <3BD03502.AF886EB4@tac.com.au> Diego Fernetti wrote: Trainer cookup stuff snipped > What do you think? > Wich other sections must we include? > I guess that we can "open" this cookup by next month or so, once the design > layout is set and some reference material begins to pour into our hands. I can see the appeal of a trainer cookup. Lots of planes from all airforces etc. etc. I do feel though that it is too diffuse. The other cookups have the advantage of having a variety of subjects available but with a fairly tight focus overall. Trainers is too vague. Are aircraft that were frequently used in a training capacity to be called trainers? or does the term extend to any aircraft that may have been used in that capacity (even if it happened to be the only example of the type used)? The other issue is that people are still finishing stuff for other cookups already on the go. The Giants cookup is certainly a long term thing but the Sopwith cookup is not closed off yet and I know there are still people out there trying to find time to finish an Albatros off. Add to that the AFV Bbq and that's four cookups in existence already!! Besides which, much as it may pain some of us, the agreed on choice for the cookup after the Sopwith one (based on the voting done by the members of the list at that time) was for Nieuport - a serious one this time :-) Mistress Lorna not wanting to be a wet blanket but feeling these issues need to be raised ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:13:42 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Semi-Gloss finish Message-ID: Tom asks: "Anyone ever try these and/or Poly-S top coats over Future?" Yep, I do it all the time and never had a problem. HTH Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:17:43 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Fat balkenkreuze Message-ID: Shane - See what happens when you leave 1/48? Everything gets harder... Jasta 11 definitely corrected the Balkankreuze to a narrower format later on the D.VIIs. I can scout for Jasta 11 tripe pictures, but can't get back to you before Monday (US time). HTH Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:22:18 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Caporetto Message-ID: Neil: But the air war in Malta was during the 1940s whereas Caporetto was more than 20 years prior to that. Admitedly, some fall-out from WW2 in terms of prejudice could have crept in. Michael >From: Crawford Neil > >Honestly I think 1958 is probably still too close to WW2, >though it would depend on the author. I just read a history >of the air-war in Malta written in the 50's, and it is >attrocious, if anyone wrote anything so politically uncorrect >around here there would be an uproar, despite being written >10 years after the war it is still blatant british propaganda. >The question is if we will ever get rid of the effect of ww2 >propaganda? >/Neil C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Kendix [mailto:mkendix@hotmail.com] > > Sent: den 19 oktober 2001 16:02 > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WWI] RE: Caporetto > > > > > > Rather than all this speculation, I think I need to te-visit > > Cyril Falls' > > work. Written in 1958, one hopes it was not the result of official > > propoganda but who knows. I think Falls is fairly well known > > and respected: > > he's written a number of similar works. > > > > Michael > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:31:25 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Caporetto Message-ID: Admitedly, some fall-out from > WW2 in terms of > prejudice could have crept in. > > Michael > This is what I'm trying to say, I think that ww2 has coloured our perception of ww1, so that it will never be the same again. For instance a British history of Caporetto will be more pro-Italian if written in 1920 than if written in 1950. I'm just speculating, but it takes a very good author to shake off the cultural and national prejudices that we have all been brought up on. And I hope I'm not hurting anyones feelings here, I don't want to. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:18:04 -0400 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Re: Trainer cookup Message-ID: <009e01c158b1$3fd27f60$0100005a@ptd.net> > Well, after serious and judicious exchanges of mail amongst Monsieur > Moorhouse et moi, we've arrived to the conclusion that a "International > Trainer CookUp" may be the popular choice, Great...a chance to build the SMER AVRO. Someone mentioned earlier they were uncertain what machines the Germans used as trainers. I also wondered the same thing. In the books I've read, I learned all about the French penguins, Jennies, AVROs & Canucks (wasn't this the Canadian Jenny?) but don't remember much about German trainers. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:24:26 -0400 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Doughboys:How Many Left? Message-ID: <00a301c158b2$23831260$0100005a@ptd.net> An article appeared in the local newspaper today about the few remaining Doughboys. The estimate was that there are approximately 2,200 still living in the US. The estimate was based on actuarial calculations from the 1990 census. A spokeswoman for the VA said "If you have an opportunity to talk with a WWI vet, don't pass it up. It's part of our culture and society that we'll never see again. It is absolutely critical to see these men and hear these stories firsthand." The article also indicates the term "doughboy" has a history almost as controversial as Voss's cowling. Some trace it to Mexican-American War of 1846-47. The terms could be a reference to the rice and flour mixture the cooks prepared for the soldiers or a reference to how dusty the soldiers got while marching in the American southwest. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:28:22 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: collection planning Message-ID: This is a big thing for me, my ambition is to have a representative collection of aviation history 1903-2001. I'm more interested in the technical side of things, so I prefer technically interesting planes to historically interesting ones. I also have a rule that I must build 50% civil aircraft, as many millitary aircraft are more interesting technically, and there are very few kits of civil aircraft it means I get to do a lot of thinking about this, which I like. Another conflict is that I just like certain aircraft, and often say, bugger the rules I'm going to build another Spad. This List is also making my collection very bottom-heavy, in fact I have'nt built anything modern since ´96, and with all these cook-ups you all keep starting it looks like it will stay that way. I really do have a system somewhat like Michaels description for choosing models. All models that I am thinking of building get points in 4 criterias: 1. References available 2. Neil points (How much do I think I will like it) 3. Judges points (How much do I think, others will like it) 4. How much work is it (this is an inverted scale, easy means high points) Then I average the points and try and choose the one with the highest points, in actual fact I usually do the same as Michael. And if you think I'm mad, well so are all of you, I'm just mad in a different way;-) /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 08:24:10 -0700 From: Ray Boorman To: Subject: Re: Trainer cookup's etc Message-ID: <20011019153022.KTFP612.priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray> I feel I have to wade in here a bit. The original idea behind the cookups was to focus on one type/manufacturer. Get everyone building or researching as a team. The eventual result was the Albatros Cookup. Where we had 50 or more Albatros Models built, lots of references, reviews of most models old or new, Bobs Profiles and a web site that was intended to attract new modellers or just allow people to build reasonably accurate models. I happen to think we can all be proud of what we jointly acheived. btw One last part was for all entries into the Cookup to go to their IPMS meets or hobby stores and show there models. (Last one was optional). The problem with the latest suggestions are, there are to many cookups, therefore we lose cohesion and determination. The next cookup is currently underway. (Sopwith Cookup). After this we agreed to do a Nieuport cookup and much as I hate to admit it I'm looking forward to that one. If we do a trainer cookup, everyone will build different aircraft, we will loose the in-depth comparisons, and research materials since we will be spreading ourselves thinner. Great idea an all, but I worry about to many things happening at once mean none are really finished properly. Just my erm 10 cents. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:32:11 EDT From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Guitar string for rigging; was Re: Somewhat Urgent Help Needed Message-ID: In a message dated 10/18/01 10:54:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << Scott wrote: > sometimes it shatters the end > and the resulting piece is too short. try cutting with a nail clipper D. >> Will do, thanks. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:37:57 EDT From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Guitar string for rigging; was Re: Somewhat Urgent Message-ID: In a message dated 10/18/01 8:26:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << The manufacturers suggest rolling a blade across it. As a consequence of trying nail clippers I lost a few small pieces (1-2mm long) on the floor of my modelling area. It took a doctor with a scalpel and magnifier to find and remove one piece from my foot. I now follow the instructions *closely* >> Duh, I guess I should have read them first. I now have about 10 pieces of rigging each about 1 mm too short for the shortest wire on my Nieuport. I bet I vacuum the floor aroud the work table ASAP too. If I had a brain I would be dangerous. Scott (Skippy) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:41:41 -0400 From: "StefenK" To: "WWI Modeling List" Subject: Re: re: Bob Laskodi's Nie.11 Message-ID: <3BCDC7B20004DDBB@mail.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) G'day, all--- The fault, dear Bob, does indeed lie with Eduard. Not entirely unexpected, however. Despite considerable improvements in molding, Eduard continue to neglect such (small) details that would be considered scandals if perpetrated by mainstream kitters, especially for well-beloved WWII types. Stair's plans in Windsock 5/3 are likewise ambiguous on these fillers, especially surprising since the same issue has very good photographs of uncowled 11's clearly showing them. (However, they are clearly shown in Stair's earlier Scale Models plans. So much for the idea of continuous quality improvement!) The oil tank was a quarter-circular affair on the outside port firewall, with the filler tube at something like 12:30 or 1:00 o'clock from what I can tell (though Stair's 1981 plans show it on the centerline). The filller tube therefore protrudes from the cowl itself. The fuel cap was just inside the firewall at 12 o'clcok coming through the fore decking. Both filler tubes are an inch or so proud of the respective surfaces. These features are correctly captured in the Fine Art Models Ni. 11 at: http://www.fineartmodels.com/nieuport_04.htm Eduard also neglect the filler caps in the Ni 17, which are now both on the centerline behind the firewall on the fore decking. It remains a mystery to me why Eduard continue to misuese PE, which should be their strength. Thus, flat PE is still provided for rocker rods, whereas the strut fittings to which the rigging is attached, which would be ideally represented by PE, are neglected. The model is very nice indeed, and I agree with Matt about such attention to detail as the movement of the aileron bell cranks; however, they should be positioned in the opposite manner. The center of rotation is at the rounded (aft) end of the bellcrank (as careful examination of Stair's plans will show). To rotate the aileron torque tube, the bell-crank arm moves in the opposite direction to that of the aileron: up arm, down aileron; down arm, up aileron. Given the center of rotation, this actually results in more of the crank visible for down aileron, and less for up aileron (from the top of the wing, of course). Here is another case where correct molding (including the torque tube for instance) by Eduard would have helped modelers in making an accurate representation of the aircraft. Finally, if one expected absolute accuracy from Eduard, they should have molded the little cowl checks separately, which would have permitted correctly representing the firewall, whose section conforms to the slab-sided fuselage (as Blue Max did in their kitting). Oh, well... VBR to all, Stefen --original message-- Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:10:20 -0700 From: "Laskodi" To: "WWI List Post" Subject: RE: Bob Laskodi's Nie.11 Thanks to all for your far too kind compliments on my Nie11. << Matt is correct, Eduard did leave them off. I pondered what to do about this as there is an inconsistenancy in the DF drawings. They show some sort of cap on the side views, but for some reason they are mysteriously absent from the top views. I didn't know how many, or exact locations so I did what I usually do when deadline is rapidly approaching and I don't have time to research it, I ignored them! If someone has a drawing or a picture that clearly shows this I would be much indebted as that is an incredibly easy fix with a few punches of card! << I'm not trying to brag here, but it is amazing how much you can get done when someone pays you and you have a deadline! Instant focus there. I only wish "my" builds got finished! I've been futzing around with an Albatros C.III (with the "right" dragondile markings!) for over 6 months (right Steve? it still looks the same as when you saw it!) and that is going at a glacial pace because I keep putting it down when a problem arises. When you have a deadline you just fix the problem and move forward. A great motivator. Thanks to all, -------Bob ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3816 **********************