WWI Digest 3811 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Back on the Road by "David C. Fletcher" 2) The Future is Clear, or Kleer by "fraser" 3) 8th Isonzo battle - An addenda by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 4) Re: speaking of cookups by Witold Kozakiewicz 5) Re: The Future is Clear, or Kleer by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 6) Re: speaking of cookups by "Ross Moorhouse" 7) Is the list down ???? by "Ross Moorhouse" 8) Re: Is the list down ???? by "James Fahey" 9) Guitar string for rigging; was Re: Somewhat Urgent Help Needed by "James Fahey" 10) Re: Yet another by David Fleming 11) Seeing if i am back on the list... by "Ross Moorhouse \(FUTURE\)" 12) Re: The Future is Clear, or Kleer by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 13) Re: The Future is Clear, or Kleer by "Diego Fernetti" 14) Re: speaking of cookups by David Fleming 15) Re: New package! by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 16) Re: speaking of cookups by "Diego Fernetti" 17) collection planning by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 18) Re: speaking of cookups by "Ross Moorhouse" 19) Re: speaking of cookups by Crawford Neil 20) RE: collection planning by "Diego Fernetti" 21) RE: collection planning by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 22) Re: The Future is Clear, or Kleer by "fraser" 23) Re: collection planning by "Michael Kendix" 24) Re: speaking of cookups by Mark Miller 25) Re: collection planning by Dennis Ugulano 26) Re: speaking of cookups by "Ross Moorhouse" 27) Today in history - The Italian front by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 28) Re: speaking of cookups by Mark Miller 29) Re: speaking of cookups by Mark Miller 30) Re: speaking of cookups by "Diego Fernetti" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:49:46 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Back on the Road Message-ID: <3BCE6D7A.6040500@mars.ark.com> I'm unsubscribing and heading off across most of the North American continent again; at least a month in the van this time! I'll be checking e-mail periodically, but if anyone needs me in a hurry (unlikely) send a message via . Jasta la Vista! Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: We now have a Yahoo address as well: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 07:59:45 +0200 From: "fraser" To: Subject: The Future is Clear, or Kleer Message-ID: <008001c1579b$3707f3e0$53dc7ac3@fraserinprague> Maybe a dumb question, but is Kleer, or Clear(?) the British version of Future? I can't find either in my local Supermarket here in Prague and have no idea what name it might be sold under here...if I did I probably wouldn't be able to pronounce it. Went out to the Aerospace museum yesterdayand the WW1 gallery was shut...There were a few WW1 props hanging on the wall of another gallery. One of them looked like black metal??! Either a superb bit of wood finishing , or what? Regards Fraseer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:44:23 +0200 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "Wwi Modeling List (Posta elettronica)" Subject: 8th Isonzo battle - An addenda Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E906F1EA@SERVER1> During the 8th Isonzo battle, fighter escort for Italian two seaters was provided by Squadriglie 76a and 77a. Although aerial combats were few (especially when compared to the number of dogfights fought during the battle of the Somme, which took place on the western front more or less during the same period), some victories were scored by Italian pilots before and during the battle, which was fought on the ground between the 10th and the 12th October 1916. On the 8th October, during the battle preparation activities, Ten. Luigi Olivi, CO of 76a Squadriglia, scored a confirmed victory over Aisovizza, at the controls of his Nieuport 11. He added another success to his personal score on the 11th, sharing a confirmed victory with Sgt. Mario Stoppani. The relevant combat took place over Aisovizza again. Both Italian pilots were flying Nieuport 11 "Bebe" single seaters. It may be that other victories were actually scored by Italian pilots, but the above named ones are the only ones which are certain at present. Anyone able to add infos from official A-H documents ? Alberto Casirati Honorary Keeper - Aviation Section Bergamo Museum of History www.museostoricobg.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:13:57 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: speaking of cookups Message-ID: <3BCE8135.2010603@bg.am.lodz.pl> Cook-up... Right now I'm working on Spowith Dolphin. Snipe still untouched and I thing I will not be able to start it in near future. I thought next one would be Nieuport or Pfalz. We were talking about allied and central power cook-up. Both give more versions, more kits and more possibilities than single type cook-up like Avro 504. But if we decide to start 504 I have one. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:13:56 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The Future is Clear, or Kleer Message-ID: <00e101c157a4$73cdba40$236e160a@CSP00> Fraser, I have not been to Prague for more than 3 years now, but in my time in the Czech Republic you could get "Kleer" (and AFAIK, it's the same stuff as Future) in the Bauhaus (that's a German DIY supermarket chain, which has (had?) one *huge* shop not far from the airport (I was in there only once, but was a number of times in it's Brno shop). Plus it was sold under a decipherable name... As for the "closed WW I gallery" - do you discuss the Kbely Museum (which had no WW I gallery at all when I was there) or the Narodni Technicke Museum with it's Lloyd, LWF and Anatra? Volker ----- Original Message ----- From: "fraser" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: [WWI] The Future is Clear, or Kleer > Maybe a dumb question, but is Kleer, or Clear(?) the British version of > Future? I can't find either in my local Supermarket here in Prague and have > no idea what name it might be sold under here...if I did I probably wouldn't > be able to pronounce it. > Went out to the Aerospace museum yesterdayand the WW1 gallery was > shut...There were a few WW1 props hanging on the wall of another gallery. > One of them looked like black metal??! Either a superb bit of wood finishing > , or what? > Regards > Fraseer > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:29:44 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: speaking of cookups Message-ID: <009301c157a6$c4c4bd20$a7c7223f@umber> ROFLMAO at Shane. Let me re-phrase the question. How many kits have you opened the box for, taken all the bits off the sprue, glued and painted them and then knew that there was nothing else to add to the model ?? Do I get the feeling that Shane is having a lend of me. ;) Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:38 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: speaking of cookups | Ross: | | > Point taken Shane. But does anyone start and finish a model | > before starting | > on the next one? I know I don't. :(( | | Really trying to educate me aren't you? | | Last week it was "cold and rainy" you were trying to explain. | | Now it's "finish" | | What is this thing called "finish"? | | I had an idea it had something to do with floor polish, as in "At some point | in the Future I will finish a model" | | Sounds messy and unlikely. | | Shane | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ********************************************************************** | The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is | intended only for the use of the addressee(s). | If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or | copying of this e-mail is not permitted. 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Message-ID: <000801c157b2$a0e76900$8798a7cb@computer> I hear you loud and clear James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:28 PM Subject: [WWI] Is the list down ???? > Either that or my ISP is having mail server probs. > > Ross > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:17:31 +1300 From: "James Fahey" To: Subject: Guitar string for rigging; was Re: Somewhat Urgent Help Needed Message-ID: <002d01c157b5$b7b257a0$8798a7cb@computer> I used to use guitar strings for rigging until I noticed RUST on one I had left in the drawer of my desk for about 6 years. The thought of rust on my rigging has turned me right off so I just ordered some .0005 stainless steel from Small Parts (which cost an arm and leg because of the freight and third world currency in New Zealand). I like the idea of wire which is reasonably rigid and won't get a bend in it if someone pokes it with their finger (fusewire?). Maybe my guitar string was just a cheap one - has anyone else noticed rust? Cheers James ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:55 PM Subject: [WWI] Somewhat Urgent Help Needed > Hi All; > > I'm in the process of finishing a...a....a...er...DH2 for my club's > modelling exhibition at a local arts festival and need to rig it with steel > guitar string. I need to know what the best and quickest way to straighten > the string prior to attaching it. I've never used guitar strings before - > generally white glue is used for attachment isn't it?. > > And another one...I seem to recall you can obtain satin and matt finishes > from Future by adding Tamiya flattening agent (is this the right name?) to > it in particular ratios. If so please what are the ratios? (I swear I'll > pay attention to absolutely every message from now on......). If it is > possible to do this, does the drying time shorten, lengthen, stay the same? > > Answer me these questions four and I'll never build another DH2 > > All the Best > > Neil E. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ _____ > NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. > > Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. > > Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. > > If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au > ____________________________________________________________________________ _____ > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:19:29 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Yet another Message-ID: <3BCE9EA1.41E85AA6@dial.pipex.com> Pedro Soares wrote: > > The external lozenge were by almark (I had just one sheet top and bottom and > use it all since I goofed up on the top wing at the first try). These are > really nice decals, unfortunately I suppose they are OOP nowadays. The rib > tapes were home brewed with clear decal film painted in a Dicta Ira shade of > blue, and the fuselage blue is the kit's recommended humbrol reference. I think the Almark decals are still available - my local shop still has them. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:46:28 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse \(FUTURE\)" To: Subject: Seeing if i am back on the list... Message-ID: <016f01c157b9$c4ce3860$a7c7223f@umber> Just seeing if I am back on the list .. :) Ross ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:01:59 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: The Future is Clear, or Kleer Message-ID: <007b01c157bb$ee43b4c0$0200a8c0@x.pl> Hi Fraser! In Poland Future/Kleer is sold as 'Sidolux' - maybe in Czech too? Greetings! Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 07:09:22 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: The Future is Clear, or Kleer Message-ID: <00bc01c157bc$f5c3c2c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> In Argentina a "Future" shine is sold as "Glo-Cot" D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:05:35 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: speaking of cookups Message-ID: <3BCEA96E.76A4E88@dial.pipex.com> Ross Moorhouse wrote: > Or if someone has the old Airfix one lying around. Given enough interest in > the Cook Up we will have a website up for it of course. :) > I've got a few of these - the 504 must be the aircraft with most variations possible from WW1 (With the exception maybe of engine parts on DVIIs !!!) >From the original 504, through Bs, Ks, Js, Ls, Ns, to the Cierva Autogiros and numerous post War Avro designs !! Kits are limited - 3 ot (Smer in duplo, Airfix & Amodel in 1/72) and 3 that I know of in OT (Expomodels 504N, HR Cierva C8 and I think a Classic Cierva) plus the A Model Russian ones. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:16:47 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: New package! Message-ID: <009101c157bd$ffbd0e20$0200a8c0@x.pl> Marcio! I think that much beauty of Pfalz is in that Silbergrau! I generally tend now to built 'typicall' (doesn't mean boring) examples of planes. And for D.III typicall was Silbergrau, you can easily find out many combinations of Silbergrau and other nice colours (eg. yellow). And if you really made (or want to) two other Pfalzen in 'unusual' schemes, why to make third in the same way? BTW, there are really many planes you can paint green/mauve camo, but very few you can paint Silbergrau! Think about future, when your collection will be full of green/violet single and two-seaters! Greetings Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 07:21:58 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: speaking of cookups Message-ID: <013601c157be$b867d5e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Matt just: > Well, let me put it this way: Russian Avros - Soviet copies. I know, maybe it's stretching the boundaries of our time envelope, but since the design was so important in WW1 it's a quite interesting subject, and there's plenty of markings and variants to choose from. Sorry, maybe I should have waited a few weks to throw this idea on the list but I wanted to feel the temperature of the pool water before splashing into it! D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:39:34 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: "wwi lista" Subject: collection planning Message-ID: <009701c157c1$2e54d260$0200a8c0@x.pl> Hi list! Question: How do you plan your collections (types of planes, but paint schemes too)? I took rule: 'variety in typicall scheme', that means I'm building planes which are typicall for some airforce and using typical painting scheme with possible interesting variations. I also want to make each plane possibly different from another. Example: I build Pfalz D.III in Silbergrau, but with yellow elements, and D.IIIa with Lozenge wings and colorfull fuselage. Alb. D.I with light green/green/brown wings and plywood fuselage, Alb. D.III in green/violet and individual fuselage, and D.V with lozenge and colorfull fuselage. Also I decided to use crosses on square on D.I (not much to decide :-), outlined eiserne crosses on D.III and early wide Balkenkreuze on D.V, leaving late Balkenkreuze for Fokker D.VII, E.V and Roland D.VI. My 2 SSW Ds I'll make as D.III early with eiserne crosses and dark plywood fuselage, and D.IV with colorfull fus. and late balken crosses. Building DH-2 I had to decide if I paint it CDL or PC10, and decided on CDL, as I can build as many PC10 Camels or SE 5 as I want, but no in CDL! Conlusion: my way: to built typicall, but to have rich and various schemes on my shelve. Greetings! Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:41:09 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: speaking of cookups Message-ID: <01ec01c157c1$6862e1e0$a7c7223f@umber> The Airfix 504 and their Pup were 2 of my favourite kits when I was a teenager. :) Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fleming" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:15 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: speaking of cookups | Ross Moorhouse wrote: | | > Or if someone has the old Airfix one lying around. Given enough interest in | > the Cook Up we will have a website up for it of course. :) | > | | I've got a few of these - the 504 must be the aircraft with most variations | possible from WW1 (With the exception maybe of engine parts on DVIIs !!!) | | >From the original 504, through Bs, Ks, Js, Ls, Ns, to the Cierva Autogiros and | numerous post War Avro designs !! | | Kits are limited - 3 ot (Smer in duplo, Airfix & Amodel in 1/72) and 3 that I | know of in OT (Expomodels 504N, HR Cierva C8 and I think a Classic Cierva) | plus the A Model Russian ones. | | Dave | | | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:43:04 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: speaking of cookups Message-ID: Did the Airfix and the 504 have pups, sounds sort of weird to me;-) /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ross Moorhouse [mailto:rossm@matrixgames.com] > Sent: den 18 oktober 2001 12:40 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: speaking of cookups > > > The Airfix 504 and their Pup were 2 of my favourite kits when I was a > teenager. :) > > Ross > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:07:11 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: collection planning Message-ID: <016a01c157c5$092e7d20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I doesn't have enough "collectible" built models to call it a collection, but my aim is to gather every major type of each country and also display a weird, non-fighting-lady from the same time period. I also tend to search for an unusual scheme that can draw the eyes of the onlooker to my model, or sometimes just try to make the paint scheme credible (I haven't suceeded on getting a decent PC10 finish!) Besides that, I like monoplanes, most of it because people think that all WW1 planes are biplanes or triplanes or multiplanes. I have a couple of bomber kits, but, somehow, I'm not too enthusiastic about them. D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:05:01 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: RE: collection planning Message-ID: <001101c157d5$7fd5e7a0$5d1ba8c0@officesp.starmedia> Grzegorz and folks, > Question: > How do you plan your collections (types of planes, but paint schemes > too)? Was I supposed to plan my collection? :-)))))) Oh, no! :-)))))))))))))) Things for me are quite random. Except for the Jasta 18 and JG II small projects I'll start some day in the future, my choices follow no reasonable criteria. What I usually do is to browse Bob's profile CD and take, let's see, all Albatros D.III I find beautiful. I write down what interested me and later put all "candidates" in my computer screen at the same time. Then I make my list. I used Albatros D.III as an example because first on the list was Ernst Hess. And, IIRC, first in my Albatros D.V list is Ernst von Althaus and first in my D.Va list is... is... is... well, I don't remember, but can look for this information at home tonight. About types of planes things are even worse. I look at the kit in the online store, I think "I want this one", I know that I haven't already broken myself with credit card, I buy it. Of course it demands some autocontrol, otherwise my cupboard would be full of kits and my clothes would be in the kitchen or somewhere else. About the silbergrau question, in my Pfalz D.III list there are both Ltn. Klein and Vzfw. Hecht. They just don't come first... :-) Marcio Antonio Campos Redator do GuiaSP StarMedia do Brasil +55 11 30436421 marcio.campos@starmedia.net http://www.guiasp.com.br http://www.guiarj.com.br http://www.nacidade.com.br ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:19:04 +0200 From: "fraser" To: Subject: Re: The Future is Clear, or Kleer Message-ID: <004301c157cf$2dc952e0$72d67ac3@fraserinprague> Thanks Volker, Grzegorz, and Diego Haven't checked Bauhaus yet, I shall however, as there's a lot more than one these days! Kbely has three galleries and A apparently houses aircraft from '18 to '39. Do I take it that I should be haunting the tech museum then? I shall czech it out soon.. Regards, Fraser ----- Original Message ----- From: Volker Häusler To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:21 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: The Future is Clear, or Kleer > Fraser, > > I have not been to Prague for more than 3 years now, but in my time in the > Czech Republic you could get "Kleer" (and AFAIK, it's the same stuff as > Future) in the Bauhaus (that's a German DIY supermarket chain, which has > (had?) one *huge* shop not far from the airport (I was in there only once, > but was a number of times in it's Brno shop). Plus it was sold under a > decipherable name... > > As for the "closed WW I gallery" - do you discuss the Kbely Museum (which > had no WW I gallery at all when I was there) or the Narodni Technicke Museum > with it's Lloyd, LWF and Anatra? > > Volker > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fraser" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:21 PM > Subject: [WWI] The Future is Clear, or Kleer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:27:40 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: collection planning Message-ID: >From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" >Hi list! >Question: >How do you plan your collections (types of planes, but paint schemes >too)? Grzegorz: Excellent question there! Possibly, almost as much fun can be had in planning as in the building. My planning has been enhanced significantly by the use of software such as "Microsoft Project" and learning to program in FORTRAN. I feed in all the available data, my personal preferences, cost of references, paints etc. into a behavioural microsimulation model, which involves a stochastic optimal control operation, primarily through the use of various Markov chain functions. Using, a Gauss-Newton algorithym, one can easily solve for the globally optimum path over an infinite time horizon (the end point conditions are easier) and plug it into the "planner" software. The latter takes care of things like "evenings I know no modelling can occur" such as IPMS club nights, Valentine's Day and the wife's birthday etc. Finally, I open my closet and whichever kit falls out onto my head - that's the next one! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 2001 05:45:19 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: speaking of cookups Message-ID: <20011018124519.22275.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Thu, 18 October 2001, "Diego Fernetti" wrote: Well, let me put it this way: Russian Avros - Soviet copies. I know, maybe it's stretching the boundaries of our time envelope, but since the design was so important in WW1 it's a quite interesting subject, and there's plenty of markings and variants to choose from. Sorry, maybe I should have waited a few weks to throw this idea on the list but I wanted to feel the temperature of the pool water before splashing into > it! > D. hmmm.... Personaly - I think this whole avro cookup idea was posted with the sole purpose of getting everyone back OT - and to help everyone get past some recent .... "unpleasentries" ;-) Your a sly one Diego :-) Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:48:49 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: collection planning Message-ID: <200110180849_MC3-E3BF-99D2@compuserve.com> Grzegorz, Good question. Let me throw out a few of my thoughts before leaving all of you for four days. As most of you know, I have a large collection that started by building what ever plane was available. If I liked it and it was then, I would build it. There are now so many ways the collection can continue. Do I do manufacturers? Say build all or as many Fokker planes as I can. Maybe Albatros or Sopwith? How about one pilot you may like, say Udet. Squadrons is another option. My collection started with no direction with the exception that I wanted it as large as I could build it. That is the reason that none of my models have ever been retired. They may not be up to my standards 20 years later, but they sit proudly alongside the new ones. I'm now toying with the idea of a collection within the collection. I'm looking at very colorful Fokker Triplanes. This a departure for me because I seldom duplicate a model. I now have three Dr1's with two more one the shelf for completion late this year or early next. The possibilities are endless and are limited only to your imagination. These are my random thoughts on the subject. See you in four days. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 10/13/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:54:59 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: speaking of cookups Message-ID: <029701c157d4$1ae6c860$a7c7223f@umber> No in fact both Diego & I have been chatting about this off list since the 2nd of this month. :) But I can see that it is also doing what you have said Mark. Plus we didnt want to get Matt's hopes up on a Cook Up of these small funny French planes. ;) Not yet anyway... Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Miller" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: speaking of cookups | On Thu, 18 October 2001, "Diego Fernetti" wrote: | Well, let me put it this way: Russian Avros - Soviet copies. I know, maybe it's stretching the boundaries of our time envelope, but since the design was so important in WW1 it's a quite interesting subject, and there's plenty of markings and variants to choose from. Sorry, maybe I should have waited a few weks to throw this idea on the list but I wanted to feel the temperature of the pool water before splashing into | > it! | > D. | | hmmm.... | Personaly - I think this whole avro cookup idea was posted with the sole purpose of getting everyone back OT - and to help everyone get past some recent .... "unpleasentries" ;-) | | Your a sly one Diego :-) | Mark | | | Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! | http://www.shopping.altavista.com | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:58:19 +0200 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "Wwi Modeling List (Posta elettronica)" Subject: Today in history - The Italian front Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E906F1EF@SERVER1> 18th October 1915: the third Isonzo battle begins. Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 2001 06:13:49 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: speaking of cookups Message-ID: <20011018131349.5661.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Wed, 17 October 2001, Shane Weier wrote: North America Centricity. Think "Jenny", transpose yourself to all those places the old British Empire then held sway, and the Avro-504 fills much the same niche. Canada is a special case, since they couldn't defend that long border well enough to keep Glen Curtiss out ;-) Shane WHAT??? you mean there realy is a world outside of the continental US? I always figured the rest of the "world" was concocted by Hollywood to keep us Americans entertained. I mean .... the history of civilisation seems pretty far-fetched - don't you think ? :-) Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 2001 06:20:17 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: speaking of cookups Message-ID: <20011018132017.12270.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> I still think it would be better to stay focused on the cookups which we already have. But I think a "trainer" cookup would be better than just focusing on the avro 504. OK Shane - I'll admit it - I would rather do a Jenny :-) What did the French and Germans use for trainers? did they have AC specificaly designed for the task Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:27:39 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: speaking of cookups Message-ID: <030d01c157d8$a8d0e760$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Mark wrote: > hmmm.... > Personaly - I think this whole avro cookup idea was posted with the sole purpose of getting everyone back OT - and to help everyone get past some recent .... "unpleasentries" ;-) I would have written this some days before if I knew that this is gonna work to avoid the mines to explode. The world today has gone mad in the worst of the ways and everyone is standing on its nerves lately. > Your a sly one Diego :-) Oh, no doubts about it! ;-) D. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3811 **********************