WWI Digest 3801 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: German demands of returning 'Goering's collection' (planes by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 2) Re: German demands of returning 'Goering's collection' (planes by "Gaston Graf" 3) Re: Archaeologists (was Ansaldo A-1 - Was Re: The 8th by "dfernet0" 4) RE: Ansaldo A-1 by "dfernet0" 5) Re: German demands of returning 'Goering's collection' (planes by "dfernet0" 6) RE: I'm back by "dfernet0" 7) re: Catching up by "dfernet0" 8) RE: Old Plastic Observation by Crawford Neil 9) Re: Yet another by "dfernet0" 10) re: Ansaldo A-1 by Crawford Neil 11) Re: Yet another by Crawford Neil 12) Re: Aging plastic by "dfernet0" 13) RE: D.I finished by "dfernet0" 14) Re: Aging plastic by Crawford Neil 15) Re: Aging plastic by "dfernet0" 16) Re: Aging plastic by Crawford Neil 17) Wanted - old Aurora kit by "Carol & David Solosy" 18) Re: Aging plastic by "dfernet0" 19) RE: Updates by "Nigel Rayner" 20) Re: Archaeologists (was Ansaldo A-1 - Was Re: The 8th Isonzo by Jan Vihonen 21) Another member of the Phoenix Squadron by "Steven Perry" 22) Re: old plastic questions by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 23) Re: old plastic questions by Crawford Neil 24) Sacramento contest by Dennis Ugulano 25) Re: Another member of the Phoenix Squadron by Dennis Ugulano 26) RE: Sacramento contest by Crawford Neil 27) HiTech Qn by Sanjeev Hirve 28) RE: HiTech Qn by "dfernet0" 29) RE: Sacramento contest by Dennis Ugulano 30) Re: Archaeologists (was Ansaldo A-1 - Was Re: The 8th by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 31) List down? by "Harris, Mack" 32) RE: List down? by Crawford Neil 33) Re: List down? by Allan Wright 34) RE: List down? by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tyllstr=F6m_M=E5rten?= 35) RE: List down? by "dfernet0" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:21:18 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: German demands of returning 'Goering's collection' (planes Message-ID: <001f01c1555a$c0bb4300$236e160a@CSP00> Gregorz, you wrote: > It says, that German govt demands return of so-called 'Goering's > collection', which is 25 planes exhibited in Krakow's museum and > That planes were really part of Goering's collection of airplanes > from WWI and mid war period This statement already shows the problem, which is a purely political one: The aircraft are in no way coming from a "Goering Collection" - something that *never existed*. They are from the "Deutsche Luftfahrtsammlung" (German Aeronautical Collection), a thing already started (originally in Stuttgart, only later moved to Berlin's Anhalter bahnhof) before the Nazis came to power, and with no connection to Goering. But naming it Goering collection already shows that the discussion will not follow logical terms. Too, while it might "officially" be true that the "German govt." "demands" the return (even though I think both these terms are not completely correct), the truth is a little bit more complicated, and (from my point of view) fascinating: Obviously, todays "German govt." (being composed of Social Democrats and Greens) has little interest in those leftovers from a long gone time, that also has miltary implications (something anyway viewed with suspicion these days in Germany). But there is one man with a dream (or an obsession, if you like), who goes any distance to rebuild that "lost collection" That's Holger Steinle, heading the aeronautical section of Berlin's MVT (Museum fuer Verkehr und Technik). He wrote "Phoenix aus der Asche" (Phoenix from the ashes) in the 80ies, when he discovered the existence of so many aircraft originally thought missing and gone forever, describing this rediscovery and the idea to recreate at least in part what was once the biggest aircraft collection of the world. And he really spares no effort to get this collection rebuild as far as possible. We OT fans owe him a lot: The reconstruction of the original lozenge by Silberstreif (going down to the detail of using the same kind of fabric structure as the original), the rebuilding to excellent standards of the 3 Straehle collection Halberstadts (including the NASM and Air force Museum one), of the Jeannin Stahltaube and the Albatros B II that (AFAIK) is in Cracow would not have been possible without the obsession of this guy. Now, he obviously even managed to put a basically uninterested government on his list of supporters... > Der Spiegel wrote, that planes in Krakow are stored in closed dump, > and are in very bad condition, covered by dust. On Tomasz pictures > you can clearly see that things goes different. They are patiently > restored, by professional speciallist, and are exhibited! Well, that's the main point: There was originally a (AFAIR *written*) agreement on how to deal with these aircraft, all worked out by Steinle and a small band of Polish and German enthusiasts, at a time when Poland was still under socialist rule. The agreement was to *fully* restore *all* aircraft, using the Berliner "Museum fuer Verkehr und technik" resources and finance, with those aircraft of interest to Poland remaining/going back after renovation to Poland, and the others going to Germany (and the renovation done by a joint Polish/German team). I'd call that a sound and logic proposal (quite similar to the agreement on the Halberstadts, which are shared between the US and Germany). The first results were the near parallel renovation of the Jeannin and the Albatros B II, with the B II finished in Polish markings and returned to Cracow. Now *there is* a difference between the renovation of these first two aircraft (which are complete, including a lot of newly manufactured parts) and the rest, obviously mainly caused by a lack of necessary funding for the rest (as well, I'd say, a lack of obsession - but that's a personal opinion only). Well, there's always the question whether only an original structure should be displayed or whether new parts might be included, but I think nobody would take a look at Mona Lisa today if only LdV's paints would be there... > That planes were really part of Goering's collection of airplanes snip > left in Poland), and nationalized by Polish govt. At first Germany > accepted that situation, but now changed mind... As said above, not completely right, given the understanding reached in the 80ies > Polish museum and authorities doesn't want to give it back to > Germany, as Germans destroyed or aquired much more Polish 'goods of > culture' during war, including Polish WWI aircraft collections, and > after war agreements states, that invader should compensate with > similar things all destroyed or robbed 'goods of culture' if it can't > give it back. (it is not necessary to say that Poland lost much, much > more than Germans can give us back, including whole National > Archives, burned intentionally by Germans in Warsaw, and Warsaw Royal > Castle, Archcathedral, and many other palaces and churches which > German 'Sprengkommandos' burned and blew up after fall of Warsaw > Uprising in Autumn 1944, at personal Hitler's order to 'remove > Warsaw from map of Europe' - Hitler finally wanted to make big lake > in place where Warsaw is) > What do you think about it? Especially German list friends? Well, frankly speaking: That's the reason why I write this: Yes, Germany commited terrible crimes during WW II, especially in Poland. so there's the "justice" aspect of payback. Of course, the aircraft can be seen as a compensation. If it makes some people feel better, that's fine for me... Legally, there are two aspects: On one hand, the aicraft may be seen as a booty or reparation. On the other hand, there was this post war agreement to "share" the aircraft - did the article mention that? But just personally I feel that the chances for a complete renovation/rebuild of these aircraft (including replacement wings etc.) would be better if the original agreement would be filled with live again. And it would also mean a happy end to the desire of Holger Steinle of rebuilding a lost collection (which, as already said, I find extremely fascinating). And to me this kind of obsession/enthusiam is more important than the rather dubious political issues behind the development of that deal or where the aircraft are physically located... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:35:41 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Re: German demands of returning 'Goering's collection' (planes Message-ID: Don't forget the Luxemburgers who lost such much of their territory to Belgium. France and Germany throughout the centuries... Bet all of these people wouldn't be much against paying less taxes than they actually do... ;o) Well, one can always overdo things... IMO, the ac should remain Polish property but like the Polish have not much money for the restoration it could be a good solution to create a Polish-German society that handles the restoration of all concerned ac. They then should be hosted in Poland but also displayed in Germany from time to time, or if they can be restored to flying condition, participate at international air shows indeed. A Polish-German project would be the best to demonstrate Polish-German frienship and common interest in Polish-German history. Does that make sense? Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Karen > Rychlewski > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 6:19 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: German demands of returning 'Goering's collection' > (planes > > > > >snipped info about German planes in Poland< > > What do you think about it? > > Sure, why not? To make room for all those airplanes, though, the Germans > could give the Babylonian Ishtar Gate and throne room back to Iraq, the > head of Nefertiti back to Egypt, the Pergamon Altar back to Turkey, and > the whole city of Aix-la-Chapelle (Aachen) back to France (Gaul) > > Dame Karen (who thinks this will all happen about the same time England > gives the Parthenon sculptures back to Greece) > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 07:44:14 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Re: Archaeologists (was Ansaldo A-1 - Was Re: The 8th Message-ID: <014801c15566$5521fb00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I'll use a fedora next time I build an ancient kit. ;-) D. PS: My cousin -an architect- made a map of a XVII century cemetery discovered in my city. Does that count? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 07:45:51 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Ansaldo A-1 Message-ID: <015c01c15566$8f456740$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Alberto, Grzes This thread about the balillas is fascinating, thanks! Alberto, is there any gossip about the latest developments on the Balilla restoration? D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 07:57:03 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Re: German demands of returning 'Goering's collection' (planes Message-ID: <016201c15568$1fa129e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Gasterix wrote: > Don't forget the Luxemburgers who lost such much of their territory to > Belgium. France and Germany throughout the centuries... At last the mistery of why Luxembourg is such a little country is solved! > IMO, the ac should remain Polish > property but like the Polish have not much money for the restoration it > could be a good solution to create a Polish-German society that handles the > restoration of all concerned ac. They then should be hosted in Poland but > also displayed in Germany from time to time I agree with you in this! Aviation history should be property of all mankind as well as King Tut's golden mask or the Egiptian pyramids. Unfortunately, governments doesn't understand this concept of being keepers of treasures rather than owners. > or if they can be restored to > flying condition, participate at international air shows indeed. I disagree here. Period aircraft and engines are irreplaceable nowadays. I do think that faithful replicas can be built from the originals and these must be flying all over. Travelling with the airshows will make these incredible flying machines more known and therefore the higher interest of the general public will help to support more and better restoration efforts on the original relics. > A Polish-German project would be the best to demonstrate Polish-German > frienship and common interest in Polish-German history. > Does that make sense? It does a lot of sense, Gaston! Hopefully this whole affair will be arranged like this, if the students of aviation history are involved. unfortunately, as one of our german friends pointed out, there's a polithical tint on this, as the planes are labelled "Goering's collection" being not and undoubtedly someone is making of this a polithical issue. D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:01:14 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: I'm back Message-ID: <018401c15568$b5351840$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Great, Dennis! I'm very glad that you've had a good time while in Sacramento. It'll be also great if you took pictures of the display to show us! Keep the good work! D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:06:35 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: re: Catching up Message-ID: <01ac01c15569$74a9d9e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Mike wrote: >He doesn't use anesthesia on his victims but charms them with his charisma, much the same as a cobra hypnotizing its prey. Well, Michael dear, cutting someone's finger doesn't mean that I have to be unpolite. > Just joking, Diego. All in fun. . . no need to visit my house. The weather has been poor here lately, etc. :-)) Kavanaugh, Kavanaugh... mmm.. (flipping the pages of my small black book) oh yes, here it is... you're scheduled, no doubt. Be patient please! ;-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:02:31 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Old Plastic Observation Message-ID: I've found that old plasticard is very brittle, almost unusable. If converted into a model it seems to last better. I restored one of those Tamiya DH2's that had been on the shelf for about 25 years, and the plastic still seemed to be all right. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:09:21 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Re: Yet another Message-ID: <01e201c15569$d7a18b60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Well done Pedro! The D.VI is a beauty. What did you used to represent the "reversed" lozenge inside the cockpit? inquiring minds etc. etc. Um abraço D. > > Just uploaded two new models from Pedro. Excellent! Welcome back, > > Pedro! Keep up the wondrous work. > > > > > > Matt Bittner > > WW1 Site Assistant Editor > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:07:10 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: re: Ansaldo A-1 Message-ID: You probably did write altitude, I'm a careless reader, sorry. But in fact losing altitude in a pylon turn is worse than losing speed, it means you hit the ground, that's a bad thing in a race! Seriously though isn't losing speed or altitude in a turn, very much the same thing, you can always convert height to speed by diving? /Neil C. > > > From: Neil Crawford > > > If you lose speed in tight turns during a pylon race you will > > > come in last, and that didn't happen to the Balilla's, they were > > > quite successful. > > Did I wrote speed? I meant altitude! With speed it doesn't make much > > sense :-) > > G. > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:08:43 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Yet another Message-ID: Yes very nice Pedro, though it was the sunburst Camel that impressed me most, WOW! /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: den 15 oktober 2001 13:04 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Yet another > > > Well done Pedro! > The D.VI is a beauty. What did you used to represent the > "reversed" lozenge > inside the cockpit? inquiring minds etc. etc. > Um abraço > D. > > > > Just uploaded two new models from Pedro. Excellent! > Welcome back, > > > Pedro! Keep up the wondrous work. > > > > > > > > > Matt Bittner > > > WW1 Site Assistant Editor > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:17:02 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Re: Aging plastic Message-ID: <023601c1556a$ea457780$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Friends Thanks for the multitude of answers to my original question(s). Nigel wrote: > You are spot on about the plasticizers. Their leaching out of the > plastic into the atmosphere is what you can smell when you open a new > kit box. Oh! Is there a chance that Kenzo will make a perfume with this scent? Certainly a close encounter with persons of the opposite sex can be even more exciting for us modelers! ;-) Neil wrote: > I restored one of those Tamiya DH2's that had been on the shelf > for about 25 years, and the plastic still seemed to be all right. Oh just like Michael Kendix's model! That is a DH2 of a late mark, right? Some 25 yrs. later than the first DH2s, I guess... ;-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:19:21 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: D.I finished Message-ID: <026101c1556b$3d317e80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Well done, Steve! we're looking forward to see pictures of this one. I'll update my vac article upon your comments! D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:21:12 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Aging plastic Message-ID: > Oh just like Michael Kendix's model! That is a DH2 of a late > mark, right? > Some 25 yrs. later than the first DH2s, I guess... ;-) > D. > If you translate D to the roman 500, add 8 (H is the eighth letter in the alphabet), then add 2, you get 510, divide by 10 (H=8 + 2), you get 51, then multiply 8x2 you get 16, the sixteenth letter in the alphabet is P. Obvious isn't it, the true face of Michael Kendix is revealed! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:32:08 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Re: Aging plastic Message-ID: <02b001c1556d$06734b60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil revealed: > Obvious isn't it, the true face of Michael Kendix is revealed! Ohhhhh!! AAAAAHHHHHHH!!! A "P" and a "5" and a "1"... Let me search in my "Nostradamus for Dummies" book... yes... Michael Kendix is the antipope! D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:30:24 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Aging plastic Message-ID: Poor Michael when he wakes up amd finds out what he has turned into! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 19:32:09 +0800 From: "Carol & David Solosy" To: "WW1 List" Subject: Wanted - old Aurora kit Message-ID: Hi list people A friend of mine has all the old Aurora range of WW1 kits - except one. He is looking for an unmade, original box (if possible) Fokker D.VIII. Reputedly one of Auroras lesser quality kits, but nevertheless, to a colector that matters not one bit. (No I don't understand it either - I just humour him). Anyhow, anyone on this list who may be able to ofer this kit should contact me off-list with some details including how much you want for it. He will pay a fair price. I eagerly await your flood of offers. David S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:39:56 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Re: Aging plastic Message-ID: <02de01c1556e$1d2df840$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> He deserves it for building a DH2 with the engine in the wrong end of the "nacelle" and faired in tailbooms! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 8:31 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Aging plastic > Poor Michael when he wakes up amd finds out what he > has turned into! > /Neil C. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:55:15 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: Updates Message-ID: <000001c15570$40d84d20$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Pedro, Well done on the DVI and the HB. Both very nicely done indeed. I gave up on the HB DI, those struts did for me. However, I have the DVI on the go and hope it turns out as nice as yours. Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:58:23 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Archaeologists (was Ansaldo A-1 - Was Re: The 8th Isonzo Message-ID: <3BCACF5F.2689B5B6@helsinki.fi> > So we now have two pro arkies on the list - maybe we'll form a quorum. > I studied classical archaeology as minor subject and have been involved in an ongoing archaeological project for half a decade now (and in separate excavations before that) so I suppose I count as a pro arkie, too. > I'm still trying to make a living at it, but have been financially devastated > since joining this list and being exposed to all the OT kits I just have to > buy or bid on .......... > Yep. Same with me. Especially trying to fight against the DF baglog is killing me. Now, that they are being sold less than half a kilometer away my home. Yeah, OK, OK; I know they don't sell them at all in Brazil, so I should not complain. ;-) Jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:17:49 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Another member of the Phoenix Squadron Message-ID: <00f501c15573$72a1f060$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> I just finished a rebuild of the BvB smashed Stars & Stripes Spad XIII Showbird. It needed new struts, rigging and U/C. Fortunately it was a Testors kit so replacement parts were cheap and available. Only a couple of small nicks in the finish remain as battle damage. That brings my total post rampage collection to 10 (5 in each scale) and the Phoenix Squadron of re-builds accounts for half that number, (4 in 1/72 and 1 in 1/48). Look out Dennis, in another decade or two, I'll be snapping at your heels ;--) sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:32:39 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: old plastic questions Message-ID: <3BCAD767.401FBDA9@tac.com.au> Shane Weier wrote: > Me either. However, when I studied Material Science (desultorily, I'm no > expert!) 20ish years ago I recall discussions about styrene and how improved > versions were less prone to aging. We can only hope that the styrene used in > 1960's models was better than 1950's, that 1970's styrene was better still > and so onwards. So we should build all the older stuff in our stash then on the idea that all the recent stuff can wait a bit. Are we seeing the birth pangs of a "Traditionalist" movement of modelling. "None of this modern stuff for me thank you I have lots of Airfix and Aurora kits" :-) > > All light in the universe goes into my head at the end of > > each day, bleaching > > the insides, cleansing it of all knowledge. This is repeated > > day in, day out. > > It's tiring having to relearn everything when I wake up each morning. > > I have that too. I put it down to a wasted youth and determinedly dissolute > middle age. YMMV! A wasted youth is better by far than a wise and productive old age which in our case is just as well ;-) Mistress Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:42:54 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: old plastic questions Message-ID: Interesting thought, I have a friend like this, he actually enjoys building all the Glencoe re-releases, in various weird scales. He keeps telling me that they are really quite good. He was going to build a Merlin oob last time I heard, which reminds me, it was a long time since I heard from him.............. /Neil C. > So we should build all the older stuff in our stash then on the idea > that all the recent stuff can wait a bit. Are we seeing the > birth pangs > of a "Traditionalist" movement of modelling. "None of this > modern stuff > for me thank you I have lots of Airfix and Aurora kits" :-) snip > > Mistress Lorna > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:02:27 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Sacramento contest Message-ID: <200110150902_MC3-E343-C22A@compuserve.com> Everyone, I didn't take any photos of the display. I had the camera with me and after it was all set up Tech Support went to Sacramento with the camera. By the time she got back and I thought of it again, the collection had been repacked. A quick stop on the way home was almost disastrous. About 25 planes piled into a heap but after everyone was sorted out and put back in place, one wheel was broke and a tail skid came loose. So they may look fragile, they can take a little punishment. I had a good time but I don't think I will be transporting the collection on a regular basis. Too un-nerving. But I want to extend a very warm thank you to the Silver Wings IPMS club in Sacramento for inviting me to bring the collection. I passed out our address to a few people so we will see what happens. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 10/13/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:05:59 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Another member of the Phoenix Squadron Message-ID: <200110150906_MC3-E359-FCB0@compuserve.com> sp, >> Look out Dennis, in another decade or two, I'll be snapping at your heels ;--) << Why am I sitting at the computer? I should be in the model room cranking out kits to stay ahead. Way to go, sp, keep up the good work. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 10/13/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:23:38 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Sacramento contest Message-ID: It wouldn't have helped you with over 100 models Dennis, but a good way of moving a dozen models is a combination of foam containers and tooth-picks. I have an old foam container that a computer once arrived in, (when they were bigger than today). I place models in this, and then just stick toothpicks into the foam around the models to keep them in place. I rarely break a model in passage, it's packing and unpacking that takes it's toll. Well done, and all sympathy for the mending job you have ahead of you. /Neil C. > A quick stop on the way home was almost disastrous. About 25 > planes piled into a heap but after everyone was sorted out > and put back in > place, one wheel was broke and a tail skid came loose. So > they may look > fragile, they can take a little punishment. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:27:50 -0400 From: Sanjeev Hirve To: "Wwi-List (E-mail)" Subject: HiTech Qn Message-ID: <5F935CCBFB73D511BA2000B0D079E11E01C76D@cyberexch01.internal.evincible.com> Hi, I came across a HiTech 1:48 kit of the Breguet Br.14 recently. (about usd 30). I have 2 questions. How is the quality of HiTech kits in general, compared to say, Eduard or DML. Second qn is more basic. Was the Br.14 OT or ot. thanks SSH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:38:32 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: HiTech Qn Message-ID: <005401c1557e$aebc49a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Sanjeev! Check David Solosy's review at http://pmms.webace.com.au/ww1/dsbre.htm D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sanjeev Hirve To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 10:28 AM Subject: [WWI] HiTech Qn > Hi, > I came across a HiTech 1:48 kit of the Breguet Br.14 recently. (about usd > 30). > I have 2 questions. How is the quality of HiTech kits in general, compared > to say, Eduard or DML. > Second qn is more basic. Was the Br.14 OT or ot. > thanks > SSH > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:35:35 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: RE: Sacramento contest Message-ID: <200110150935_MC3-E343-C349@compuserve.com> Nile C, >> Well done, and all sympathy for the mending job you have ahead of you. << Thank you for the tips but like you said over 100 models makes that a difficult task. The boxes I used were lined with felt that prevents them from moving around under normal conditions. The quick stop was beyond the call of duty for the felt. But everyone is back in working order and I will get them back in their case today. Every time I travel I fear a tail end collision that melds all of the kits into one unrecognizable blob of plastic. Then I wake up in a cold sweat. Another bad dream. :-) Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 10/13/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:51:12 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Archaeologists (was Ansaldo A-1 - Was Re: The 8th Message-ID: <3BCAE9D0.B006812E@tac.com.au> dfernet0 wrote: > > I'll use a fedora next time I build an ancient kit. ;-) > D. And I'll join you and wear my whip!! Mistress Lorna still fondling a rather lovely HB W.18 from Sierra Scale that I picked up from Trish at the Aeroclub stand. One of the best bits of the hobby is the fondling and imagining ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:38:57 -0500 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'World War I'" Subject: List down? Message-ID: Is the list down? Mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:48:20 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: List down? Message-ID: That's funny, nobody answered, maybe the list is down? /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Harris, Mack [mailto:MackH@Health.State.OK.US] > Sent: den 15 oktober 2001 16:41 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] List down? > > > Is the list down? > Mack > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:49:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: List down? Message-ID: <200110151449.KAA42137@mustang.sr.unh.edu> no, everyone's building that's all > > Is the list down? > Mack > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:50:26 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tyllstr=F6m_M=E5rten?= To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: List down? Message-ID: No, do´nt think so. Just quiet. Maybe everybody is on their way home. Like me. Cheers Mċrten -----Original Message----- From: Harris, Mack [mailto:MackH@Health.State.OK.US] Sent: den 15 oktober 2001 16:41 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] List down? Is the list down? Mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:58:20 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: List down? Message-ID: <007901c15589$d44114c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> if no one answers it means that the list is down... oh my goodness! what are we gonna do! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 11:50 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: List down? > That's funny, nobody answered, maybe the list is down? > /Neil C. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Harris, Mack [mailto:MackH@Health.State.OK.US] > > Sent: den 15 oktober 2001 16:41 > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WWI] List down? > > > > > > Is the list down? > > Mack > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3801 **********************