WWI Digest 3800 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Ansaldo A-1 by "Neil Crawford" 2) re: Ansaldo A-1 by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 3) re: Catching up by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 4) re: Catching up by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 5) re: Ansaldo A-1 by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 6) Odp: re: Catching up by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 7) Re: Archaeologists (was Ansaldo A-1 - Was Re: The 8th Isonzo Battle) by EPMyles@aol.com 8) Re: Pedro's new models by "Pedro Soares" 9) Re: Novas Maquettas de Pedro by "Pedro Soares" 10) Re: Catching up by "Pedro Soares" 11) German demands of returning 'Goering's collection' (planes from Krakow museum) by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 12) Re: Pedro's new models by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 13) Re: Bristol F2b by Peter Fedders 14) RE: Paasche H by John Huggins 15) I'm back by Dennis Ugulano 16) Re: I'm back by "Ross Moorhouse" 17) Re: I'm back by "Tom Plesha" 18) Re: old plastic questions by Shane Weier 19) List 'Good Joe' Award by Rory Goodwin 20) Re: German demands of returning 'Goering's collection' (planes by Karen Rychlewski 21) Old Plastic Observation by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 22) Re: German demands of returning 'Goering's collection' (planes by Rory Goodwin 23) Ansaldo A-1 by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 24) Re: Bristol F2b by "fraser" 25) Re: Ansaldo A-1 (Was Re: The 8th Isonzo Battle by Witold Kozakiewicz 26) Re: Archaeologists (was Ansaldo A-1 - Was Re: The 8th by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 27) Re: Bristol F2b by Paul Thompson 28) Re: Archaeologists (was Ansaldo A-1 - Was Re: The 8th by "Bob Pearson" 29) Off topic? Re: German demands of returning 'Goering's collection' (planes from Krakow museum) by "Hans Trauner" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 23:19:04 +0200 From: "Neil Crawford" To: "ww1 list" Subject: Ansaldo A-1 Message-ID: <001001c154f5$dabb1920$4ee597d4@default> Spad fancier that I am, I am still inclined to agree with Alberto on this one. For the simple reason that several Balillas were raced in the Pulitzer trophy races post-war, as far as I know, no Spad 13's ever raced (PLEASE tell me if I'm wrong). If you lose speed in tight turns during a pylon race you will come in last, and that didn't happen to the Balilla's, they were quite successful. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 23:36:32 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Ansaldo A-1 Message-ID: <013001c154f8$4bdd4720$0200a8c0@x.pl> From: Neil Crawford > If you lose speed in tight turns during a pylon race you will > come in last, and that didn't happen to the Balilla's, they were > quite successful. Did I wrote speed? I meant altitude! With speed it doesn't make much sense :-) G. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 23:46:21 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Catching up Message-ID: <013e01c154f9$aa64b0c0$0200a8c0@x.pl> > Karen, all I can say is that someone needs to go after Diego with a cattle > prod, he has been seriously slacking in his finger chopping duties. ;-) > sp What he did now? G. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 18:30:10 EDT From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: re: Catching up Message-ID: <7f.1ba166b6.28fb6bf3@aol.com> Grzegorz, Diego is the list's instructional disciplinarian, that is, he teaches certain expert modeling listees not to embarass those of us with mediocre modeling skills by posting photos of their outstanding models. He cuts off their fingers so they won't do it again, employing a small portable guillotine to accomplish this. He doesn't use anesthesia on his victims but charms them with his charisma, much the same as a cobra hypnotizing its prey. As Steve said, Diego has been neglecting his duties, but who is willing to try to discipline the disciplinarian? Not me! Just joking, Diego. All in fun. . . no need to visit my house. The weather has been poor here lately, etc. :-)) Mike Kavanaugh Steve is right! There have been too many photos of outstanding models posted In a message dated Sun, 14 Oct 2001 5:44:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Grzegorz Mazurowski" writes: > > > Karen, all I can say is that someone needs to go after Diego with a > cattle > > prod, he has been seriously slacking in his finger chopping duties. > ;-) > > sp > What he did now? > G. > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:52:37 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: "wwi lista" , Subject: re: Ansaldo A-1 Message-ID: <016301c15502$ecbba2e0$0200a8c0@x.pl> Thanks for answer! Balilla was in fact first WWI aicraft I know, and also my first model ever built (in 1981, when I was 6 my father's bought me set of 6 1/144 models of planes used by Polish aviation, which included 'Ansaldo Balilla', I completed it quickly with great satisfaction - next day I've broken all struts...) > 21 sq.m. wing area Balilla, which was > able to reach 4.000 m in 10 min, against the 14 min. needed by the Spad. As > for manouvrability, > Fulco Ruffo di Calabria, who was to be at > the controls of his Spad. What SPAD, VII or XIII? > The Balilla was not built for > aerobatics, What does it mean? I thought that all fighters must be built for aerobatics? > Sorry for the long answer, Grzegorz. You are joking! I'm really very happy to exchange knowledge with you (or, precisely, get the knowledge from you!) More you write, happier I am! BTW, I'm corresponding with Gabriele Zenoni form Terni, ragazzo bravissimo who made that magnifico Caproni Ca.3 on list gallery (have you seen?) And I like Italia e Italiani, couisine, country, people, and culture. I have another Italian related question: do you know anything about German Jasta fighting on Italian front? I'm interested especially in Jasta 1, as I have profile of very interesting Alb. D.V form it. Greetings! Gregorio _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:58:37 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Odp: re: Catching up Message-ID: <016801c15503$c3556160$0200a8c0@x.pl> Thanks Mike! It was just another language problem! > > > Karen, all I can say is that someone needs to go after Diego with a > > cattle > > > prod, he has been seriously slacking in his finger chopping duties. > > > sp > > What he did now? > > G. I simply thought from context, that 'slacking' means something like 'overdo', not 'slow' or 'neglect'. I have to buy bigger dictionary (now I have small one, but I'm not using it very often, just trust my intuition, and so you can see results... G. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 18:54:50 EDT From: EPMyles@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Archaeologists (was Ansaldo A-1 - Was Re: The 8th Isonzo Battle) Message-ID: <9c.14ad246c.28fb71ba@aol.com> >Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 11:32:30 -0700 >From: Rory Goodwin Subject: Re: Ansaldo A-1 (Was Re: The 8th Isonzo Battle >Yes I'm what's known as a "professional" archaeologist (which means I >work for an environmental engineering firm rather than teach at a >university as little as possible), and after 10+ years, I'm finally >almost making a living at it. Hey Rory - So we now have two pro arkies on the list - maybe we'll form a quorum. I'm still trying to make a living at it, but have been financially devastated since joining this list and being exposed to all the OT kits I just have to buy or bid on .......... Myles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:21:11 +0100 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Pedro's new models Message-ID: <001101c15506$e95aeee0$2d7216d5@netcabo.pt> Grzegorz Many thanks for the kind comments and also for the history inputs. I would never have linked the red and white insignia to the Linke Crawford's country of birth. Thanks for that too, this is what makes this List so great. Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Grzegorz Mazurowski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: [WWI] Pedro's new models > Congratulations, Pedro! > Very good models and very good choice of planes, I think my first > models which someday appear on list site gallery will be D.VI (is > ready), and HB too, also some Nieuports and Fokkers... > And that white and red flag on Linke's fuselage - for me another > proof of Polish provenience of that AH ace ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:24:31 +0100 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Novas Maquettas de Pedro Message-ID: <001701c15507$607cacc0$2d7216d5@netcabo.pt> Muchissimas Gracias Martin, But if you want to look at what a really good camouflage job on a Dreidecker should look like, take a look at Steve Hustad's models in the Galery pages. Um abraço Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Héctor AFFLITTO ECHAGüE To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 4:00 PM Subject: [WWI] Novas Maquettas de Pedro > Pedro: > Moito bonito!!!!!!!!! > > Very nice!!!!!!!!! > > The Dreidecker 1´s camouflage is enviable (super exellent) :-) > > Martin > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:30:10 +0100 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Catching up Message-ID: <003901c15508$2aa5e8e0$2d7216d5@netcabo.pt> Thanks Steve. The struts were a lot of fun, if you know what I mean... :-) but now the kit looks quite nice to me. The ribs is grey watercolour pencil buffed hard with cotton. I do like it too. Um abraço Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Perry To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 10:20 PM Subject: [WWI] Catching up > Pedro, I love the HB! and you look like you got the struts just right. I > like the way you got the ribs on the CDL . Very nice D.VI too. > > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 01:46:48 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: "wwi lista" Subject: German demands of returning 'Goering's collection' (planes from Krakow museum) Message-ID: <018401c1550a$7e2d0c80$0200a8c0@x.pl> Hi list! There is very big OT article in biggest Polish daily 'Gazeta Wyborcza'. It says, that German govt demands return of so-called 'Goering's collection', which is 25 planes exhibited in Krakow's museum (photos you can find here: http://www.tmg.obywatel.pl/references.htm Der Spiegel wrote, that planes in Krakow are stored in closed dump, and are in very bad condition, covered by dust. On Tomasz pictures you can clearly see that things goes different. They are patiently restored, by professional speciallist, and are exhibited! That planes were really part of Goering's collection of airplanes from WWI and mid war period (incl. Udet's Curtiss and SSW D.III converted into test plane for high flying), also with captured planes from early years of WWII (including 3 Polish planes), which was collected and exhibited in Berlin untill first serious British bombings, which destroyed part of it. Then collection was moved into ocupied territory of Poland, and there stored in parts, in various places. After the war, on Polish territory, there was found one part of that collection, near Polish city of Poznan. It included Polish PZL P.11 and PWS 26 captured by Germans in 1939, also 23 other planes, including real gems as Fokker Spinne, Jeannin Stahltaube, Camel, Udet's Curtiss Hawk, and many others. Planes were in very bad condition, majority without wings. According to international law it was considered 'abandoned goods' (as Germans willingly stored it and left in Poland), and nationalized by Polish govt. At first Germany accepted that situation, but now changed mind... Polish museum and authorities doesn't want to give it back to Germany, as Germans destroyed or aquired much more Polish 'goods of culture' during war, including Polish WWI aircraft collections, and after war agreements states, that invader should compensate with similar things all destroyed or robbed 'goods of culture' if it can't give it back. (it is not necessary to say that Poland lost much, much more than Germans can give us back, including whole National Archives, burned intentionally by Germans in Warsaw, and Warsaw Royal Castle, Archcathedral, and many other palaces and churches which German 'Sprengkommandos' burned and blew up after fall of Warsaw Uprising in Autumn 1944, at personal Hitler's order to 'remove Warsaw from map of Europe' - Hitler finally wanted to make big lake in place where Warsaw is) What do you think about it? Especially German list friends? Please, be honest. I'm moved, but not angry, and I expect serious discussion, not spam (I must admit that I'm not anti-German by any meaning, I like Germans and Germany, and I know that Germany is now one of biggest Polish friends in Europe, also they gives us very much help, including students stipends and grants, that my friends are using). Greetings Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 02:22:32 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Pedro's new models Message-ID: <01b201c1550f$7c242ae0$0200a8c0@x.pl> To be precise: Frank (Franciszek) Linke-Crawford was born in Krakow, as a son of English woman Lucy Crawford and Wojciech (Polish name) Linke, who was polonized Austrian, living in Polish city (old Polish capital), which was at that time part of AH monarchy. I think that he must have been Polish-speaker, but in his military service he was AFAIK German speaking Austrian. As I wrote earlier, real test who is Polish, was end of the war, when KuK pilots had to decide where to go and what citizenship to take. Stec, Peter (ace with 6 kills), and Fiala (28 kills, 3 on list of AH aces, in 1926 he went to Persia and than to Japan) chose Poland, Brumowski (Polish name), who was born in Wadowice (the same town than Pope John Paul II) decided to settle in Romania, and later worked in Austria, died in Amsterdam. Also many former AH pilots turned to be Czech or Yugoslavians. And Linke-Crawford died 31 July 1918... He used for the first time white/red checkerboard (on HB D.I 28.40), that later became Poish national marking. AH pilots (and all soldiers in general) didn't wanted to show their real nationality feelings, for known reasons (Austrians, fighting against Russia, were afraid of anti-German moods between slavic soldiers, Poles, Czechs and others) Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 19:21:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Fedders To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Bristol F2b Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, fraser wrote: > Hi, > Has anyone built the Brisfit from Blue Max in 1/48th? I'm back in the UK > week after next and plan on picking one up along with a Snipe. Their stuff > looks superb when built. I've heard wing ripple mentioned is it a big prob? > Cheers > Fraser > I built the Blue Max Brisfit and it was a fine kit. I think that the any wing ripple problems can be over come because 1) Very few of the kit that I have purchased from BM have it, 2) you can send for (and receive) a new part from BM, 3) It can be fixed if it is not too bad. peter > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 08:05:35 -0600 From: John Huggins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Paasche H Message-ID: >----- Original Message ----- >From: John Huggins > >> I used an H for many years and still own 2 Hs, a VL and a Badger. > >Hi John! >And what is your opinion about Badger? I've got 150 model, and I'm >satisfyied, but also I don have anything to compare, except very bad >russian one. >G. G, I bounce back and forth between the Paasche and the Badger. Both do the job very well. The H and VL are heaver than the Badger. I think you will like the Badger very much. Practice on a scrap surface and mix your your paint to the consistency of milk and you will have good results. JP -- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 22:40:39 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: I'm back Message-ID: <200110142240_MC3-E336-B09C@compuserve.com> Everyone, 13 hours after leaving, I'm back from Sacramento. No disasters with the collection. A wheel or two got knocked off but other than that, no problems. Tech Support and friends worked like champs setting up the display, which took 1 1/2 tables. The collection was well received by those that attended. Unfortunately, the turn out was not good. For whatever reason, not many attended or participated. But I did get see my Sacramento friends and we had a good time. The Taube placed 3rd out of 8 entries of WW1 or Biwings as it was called today. My friend Jim King who named DURAS placed first and second with two beautiful D.VII's. Wait until you see this beautiful group of D.VII's. He's up to 10 at present. All in all, a good trip. We are tired but home safe and sound. Tomorrow the kits go back into the case and I will breath easy again. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 10/13/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:56:43 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: I'm back Message-ID: <00ce01c15525$06dbbee0$9cef3c3f@umber> Do you have a photo of your kits set out for display ??? Well done on the 3rd too. :) Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Ugulano" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 12:41 PM Subject: [WWI] I'm back | Everyone, | | 13 hours after leaving, I'm back from Sacramento. No disasters | with the collection. A wheel or two got knocked off but other than that, | no problems. Tech Support and friends worked like champs setting up the | display, which took 1 1/2 tables. The collection was well received by | those that attended. Unfortunately, the turn out was not good. For | whatever reason, not many attended or participated. But I did get see my | Sacramento friends and we had a good time. | | The Taube placed 3rd out of 8 entries of WW1 or Biwings as it was | called today. My friend Jim King who named DURAS placed first and second | with two beautiful D.VII's. Wait until you see this beautiful group of | D.VII's. He's up to 10 at present. | | All in all, a good trip. We are tired but home safe and sound. | Tomorrow the kits go back into the case and I will breath easy again. | | Dennis Ugulano | email: Uggies@compuserve.com | http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm | Page Revised 10/13/01 | "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 23:07:28 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: I'm back Message-ID: <000d01c15526$86256380$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Well done Dennis! Later Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Ugulano" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 10:41 PM Subject: [WWI] I'm back > Everyone, > > 13 hours after leaving, I'm back from Sacramento. No disasters > with the collection. A wheel or two got knocked off but other than that, > no problems. Tech Support and friends worked like champs setting up the > display, which took 1 1/2 tables. The collection was well received by > those that attended. Unfortunately, the turn out was not good. For > whatever reason, not many attended or participated. But I did get see my > Sacramento friends and we had a good time. > > The Taube placed 3rd out of 8 entries of WW1 or Biwings as it was > called today. My friend Jim King who named DURAS placed first and second > with two beautiful D.VII's. Wait until you see this beautiful group of > D.VII's. He's up to 10 at present. > > All in all, a good trip. We are tired but home safe and sound. > Tomorrow the kits go back into the case and I will breath easy again. > > Dennis Ugulano > email: Uggies@compuserve.com > http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm > Page Revised 10/13/01 > "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:08:00 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: old plastic questions Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD619@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> RK says: > The oldest bits of styrene I have are from the ancient Revell > Sullivans > destroyer kit that I got for Christmas around 1956/57. Mmm. Old as me. > check these chunks > periodically for the very purpose of getting an idea of the > aging. The news > doesn't seem to be entirely good- Huh. Same with me :-( >If I cut into a part of the plastic that's not been > painted, the > plastic is turning into a mass of hard gritty powder. Sounds like the plasticizers have all evaporated out. > Maybe this is just one > particular batch of Revell's particular mid-50s formula. That > I don't know. Me either. However, when I studied Material Science (desultorily, I'm no expert!) 20ish years ago I recall discussions about styrene and how improved versions were less prone to aging. We can only hope that the styrene used in 1960's models was better than 1950's, that 1970's styrene was better still and so onwards. > All light in the universe goes into my head at the end of > each day, bleaching > the insides, cleansing it of all knowledge. This is repeated > day in, day out. > It's tiring having to relearn everything when I wake up each morning. I have that too. I put it down to a wasted youth and determinedly dissolute middle age. YMMV! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). 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You're a good joe!" -Yosemite Sam, ~1949. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:14:00 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: German demands of returning 'Goering's collection' (planes Message-ID: <3BCA6288.33271486@earthlink.net> > >snipped info about German planes in Poland< > What do you think about it? Sure, why not? To make room for all those airplanes, though, the Germans could give the Babylonian Ishtar Gate and throne room back to Iraq, the head of Nefertiti back to Egypt, the Pergamon Altar back to Turkey, and the whole city of Aix-la-Chapelle (Aachen) back to France (Gaul) Dame Karen (who thinks this will all happen about the same time England gives the Parthenon sculptures back to Greece) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:03:35 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Old Plastic Observation Message-ID: Hi All; On the old plastic question, as my second string build at the moment I'm doing an ot Hawk kit from 1958. I had occasion to drill some holes for rigging last night and found the plastic far tougher than modern plastic to get through. Rather than spirals coming off the drill, it produced coarse dust. It is also very brittle to cut. I know this seems to back up what Diego and others have said, but I thought since its recent info, it was useful anyway. :) Neil E. PS Gaston: letter coming soon.! _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. 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To make room for all those airplanes, though, the Germans > could give the Babylonian Ishtar Gate and throne room back to Iraq, the > head of Nefertiti back to Egypt, the Pergamon Altar back to Turkey, and > the whole city of Aix-la-Chapelle (Aachen) back to France (Gaul) > > Dame Karen (who thinks this will all happen about the same time England > gives the Parthenon sculptures back to Greece) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:37:01 +0200 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "Wwi Modeling List (Posta elettronica)" Subject: Ansaldo A-1 Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E906F1D8@SERVER1> The mock combat between Ten. Gino Allegri and Ten. Ferruccio Ranza (sorry for not referring to the right ace earlier! My memory did not served me well there. Too much interesting things and so little time !) is referred to in "L'Aeroplano S.V.A.", by Piero Vergnano, published in an old issue of "Rivista Aeronautica". The author quotes a letter from Allegri himself. The SPAD Ranza was flying was an S.VII, nimbler than the later S.XIII, I am told. The A-1 was not built ***specifically*** for aerobatics and certainly it was not as manouvrable as the Sopwith Camel or the Fokker Dr.I. But the war had already shown that manouvrability was not the most important quality of the fighter. Other examples of good fighters without ***very*** brilliant aerobatics qualities are the S.E.5a and the Albatros D.III. All the very best, Alberto Casirati Honorary Keeper - Aviation Section Bergamo Museum of History www.museostoricobg.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:04:10 +0200 From: "fraser" To: Subject: Re: Bristol F2b Message-ID: <007101c15547$b4e17d00$d5dd7ac3@fraserinprague> Dear all, Thanks for the advice, after many years of not knowing anyone putting 'hand to plastic' it's wonderful to have somewhere for support. I have a lot of catching up to do. regards Fraser ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Fedders To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 2:31 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Bristol F2b > > > On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, fraser wrote: > > > Hi, > > Has anyone built the Brisfit from Blue Max in 1/48th? I'm back in the UK > > week after next and plan on picking one up along with a Snipe. Their stuff > > looks superb when built. I've heard wing ripple mentioned is it a big prob? > > Cheers > > Fraser > > > I built the Blue Max Brisfit and it was a fine kit. I think that the any > wing ripple problems can be over come because 1) Very few of the kit that > I have purchased from BM have it, 2) you can send for (and receive) a > new part from BM, 3) It can be fixed if it is not too bad. > > peter > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:27:08 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Ansaldo A-1 (Was Re: The 8th Isonzo Battle Message-ID: <3BCA8FCC.50808@bg.am.lodz.pl> Rory Goodwin wrote: > Is Goworek's book in Polish? Yes. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:20:19 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Archaeologists (was Ansaldo A-1 - Was Re: The 8th Message-ID: I am a professional photographer, but spent 5 years doing exclusively archaeological photography. Is there a trend here? N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:08:16 +0200 From: Paul Thompson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Bristol F2b Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011015100212.00a69cf0@pop.xs4all.nl> Don't forget that the Blue Max kit has parts for 2 differently engined versions, and the Aeroclub just the one. I have both. I built the BM one, and agree that it is better detailed but less easy to build than the Aeroclub. Both are excellent kits. My BM one has no wing ripple. Just lucky I guess. The best advise has already been given by Patrick. Open the box before you buy. Incidentally, the breakdown of both kits is quite different. If you don't like making your own interplane struts, the Aeroclub one comes with these in white metal, quite usable with a little cleanup. HTH Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 01:23:27 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Archaeologists (was Ansaldo A-1 - Was Re: The 8th Message-ID: <3BC49E680005DB46@mail.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) Dunno, but I did watch Relic Hunter this week .... Bob ---------- >From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard > I am a professional photographer, but spent 5 years doing exclusively > archaeological photography. Is there a trend here? > N ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:51:59 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Off topic? Re: German demands of returning 'Goering's collection' (planes from Krakow museum) Message-ID: <002b01c15556$a6b961c0$c4ac72d4@FRITZweb> > It says, that German govt demands return of so-called 'Goering's > collection'. Grzegorz, it's ahrd to answer. I fully understand any emotions about war booty, especially from Poland. War is over now and Poland will be member of the EC and NATO. I do not understand any requests for returning cultural goods as an attempt to turn time back. Let me explain: I am an volunteer archeologist. We find and recovered f.e. celtic artefacts, near my town, Nuernberg. Those finds are only from any value when you can show the cultural background. People want to show their historical background, but at the place from where it come from. It's hard to find any other comparison. Please imagine your wishes if the helmet of St. Wenzelslaw (?,sorry of any wrong typing) would be shown in St. Petersburg. Of course I do not compare a Roland D VI with such a national treasure, but what I want to say is: It should be possible to find agreements. Some pieces are already beautiful restaured, look at the Taube or the forthcoming Pfalz. Give them for restauration and presentation. Give them for the puplic and give them to the places where they come from. Hans ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3800 **********************