WWI Digest 3797 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Squadron Mail Oredr's "Kit of the Year" for 2002 by Todd Hayes 2) RE: Squadron Mail Oredr's "Kit of the Year" for 2002 by =?iso-8859-1?B?TWFydO1uIEjpY3RvciBBRkZMSVRUTyBFQ0hBR/xF?= 3) RK sticks his head up wasRe: Re: Die-Cast Fokker DrI by KarrArt@aol.com 4) RE: Squadron Mail Oredr's "Kit of the Year" for 2002 by Todd Hayes 5) Re: Polish Albatros by Rory Goodwin 6) RE: by "fraser" 7) Re: Airbrush by "fraser" 8) AVIATION BOOKS by =?iso-8859-1?q?jim=20Prendergast?= 9) Query on Polish terminology by "Bob Pearson" 10) Re: Airbrush by =?iso-8859-1?q?jim=20Prendergast?= 11) Left on the shelf... by Paul Thompson 12) Re: Polish Albatros by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 13) The 8th Isonzo Battle (was Re: Today in history - The Italian front) by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 14) re:Query on Polish terminology by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 15) RE: Squadron Mail Oredr's "Kit of the Year" for 2002 by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) 16) Re: The 8th Isonzo Battle (was Re: Today in history - The Italian front) by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 17) Latest updates by Witold Kozakiewicz 18) old plastic questions by "Diego Fernetti" 19) Hi-Tech by "martin" 20) Snipe insides.... ???? by "Ross Moorhouse" 21) Re: Snipe insides.... ???? by "Diego Fernetti" 22) Re: Snipe insides.... ???? by "Ross Moorhouse" 23) Oldies Models by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_H=E9ctor_AFFLITTO_ECHAG=FCE?= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:55:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Squadron Mail Oredr's "Kit of the Year" for 2002 Message-ID: <20011013015548.28216.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Has anyone here seen a picture of the 2002 Squadron catalog? I received my subscription renewal notice today and there's a photo of the new catalog (unreleased) on it. Their kit of the year for 2002 is the AEG G.IV by HiTech. I wonder what criteria they used to determine that it should be the kit of the year, since it hasn't even been released yet. Are they holding out on us? Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:47:47 -0300 From: =?iso-8859-1?B?TWFydO1uIEjpY3RvciBBRkZMSVRUTyBFQ0hBR/xF?= To: Subject: RE: Squadron Mail Oredr's "Kit of the Year" for 2002 Message-ID: <001b01c1532c$dc1ae0e0$b70de818@fibertel.com.ar> Dear Todd; I'm not going to defend Squadron (The shipping is too expensive for us in Argentina) nothing so far from myself;but they anounce that they are selling it. Is it a lie? I don't know. In this address they anounce the product. http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=HI0010 Martín ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Hayes To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:57 PM Subject: [WWI] Squadron Mail Oredr's "Kit of the Year" for 2002 > Has anyone here seen a picture of the 2002 Squadron > catalog? I received my subscription renewal notice > today and there's a photo of the new catalog > (unreleased) on it. Their kit of the year for 2002 is > the AEG G.IV by HiTech. I wonder what criteria they > used to determine that it should be the kit of the > year, since it hasn't even been released yet. Are > they holding out on us? > > Todd > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 23:43:01 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RK sticks his head up wasRe: Re: Die-Cast Fokker DrI Message-ID: <97.1c98d752.28f91245@aol.com> In a message dated 10/12/01 6:48:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, thayes_52601@yahoo.com writes: << Spad was about the same time. Maybe a few months later. There are also many ot aircraft in the "Legends of Flight" series by Hallmark. >> I was actually out and about tonight in the big wide world (getting art supplies) and and happened to see the VERY off-topic Hallmark Oscar Mayer WienerMobile Christmas tree ornament. Nice. I'm not lurking- I'm drowning. Too much work. Right now I'm doing the box top for an off-topic airplane kit, and waiting for details for an extremely on-topic painting commission. The "Bombs Away" calendar finally was released (mass availablity at Barnes and Noble! I've hit the mass market!) The Chino air show was magnificent, and I managed to peddle a few of my WW I dye-sub print sets, so at least I got to spread the word a little. I sleep now...... RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:51:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Squadron Mail Oredr's "Kit of the Year" for 2002 Message-ID: <20011013035155.37309.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Martin, I was just pointing out the irony of the situation. Todd --- Martín Héctor AFFLITTO ECHAGüE wrote: > Dear Todd; > > I'm not going to defend Squadron (The shipping is > too expensive for us in > Argentina) nothing so far from myself;but they > anounce > that they are selling it. Is it a lie? I don't know. > In this address they > anounce the product. > > > http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=HI0010 > > > Martín > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Todd Hayes > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:57 PM > Subject: [WWI] Squadron Mail Oredr's "Kit of the > Year" for 2002 > > > > Has anyone here seen a picture of the 2002 > Squadron > > catalog? I received my subscription renewal > notice > > today and there's a photo of the new catalog > > (unreleased) on it. Their kit of the year for > 2002 is > > the AEG G.IV by HiTech. I wonder what criteria > they > > used to determine that it should be the kit of the > > year, since it hasn't even been released yet. Are > > they holding out on us? > > > > Todd > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > > http://personals.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:30:55 -0700 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Polish Albatros Message-ID: <3BC7C37F.80A77AD7@earthlink.net> Karen, Nice choice of squadrons. Have you read Karolevitz & Fenn's 'Flight of Eagles' about former USAS pilots Merian Cooper (who went on to become a Hollywood producer of 'King Kong' and OT gem 'Ace of Aces'), Cedric Fauntleroy and the rest of the Kosciuszko boys of the gallant 7th? Highly recommended. Also, check out Rob Johnson's excellent article on Polish aviation in the Polish-Russian (or Russo-Polish, depending on where you live) war in Vol. no.2 of Chandelle... Neil Eddy wrote: > Karen; > > As an admirer of your previously posted work I must admit my jaw dropped > when I saw the Polish Albatros - What can I say but......Hats Off! > > Neil E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 06:31:34 +0200 From: "fraser" To: Subject: RE: Message-ID: <001501c153ac$518908a0$3bdd7ac3@fraserinprague> Thanks to all for the turnbuckle advice. I have no particular area of specialisation, so French planes, yes and anything else that is either attractive or so weird that it's irresistable. I do have a sneaking fascination for flying boats though - despite being 1/72 ... Fraser ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Hayes To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:05 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: > Hi Fraser, > > Turnbuckles. Try PART from Poland. Their products > shouldn't be too difficult to get where you live. I > do only 1:48 myself. > > Todd ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 07:59:04 +0200 From: "fraser" To: Subject: Re: Airbrush Message-ID: <001601c153ac$5230e160$3bdd7ac3@fraserinprague> Ouch, two points. I was assuming the use of the usual pressure gauge-water/dust trap arrangement you'd use on any air source. I do know that icing is not going to occur at 20 psi. The 'hmmm' was to express my scepticism, not strongly enough it seems...I wouldn't have mentioned it but some one already had expressed a concern. In thirty years of airbrushing, dust and pollen from my air source have been the least of my worries - the stuff that drags along with the paint/air stream as you work, unless your work area is surgically clean...now that's a problem Fraser ----- Original Message ----- From: Lee M. To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 6:29 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Airbrush > That is a great way to get all the neat dust and pollen in your paint. As well > as all of the condensed atmospheric water that will condense out as you release > the air. > > Nothing will freeeze at 20 pounds PSI release pressure. Can not happen. If > you exhale in a forceful manner it is close to that pressure. > > Silly rumor and not worth hearing. > > Lee M. > New Braunfels. Tx > > fraser wrote: > > > Slightly different tack...How about a 'pony' scuba bottle and just air fill > > it at the nearest diving emporium...assuming you're not writing from the > > Gobi... All gas gets much colder as it decompresses, but whether at 10 - > > 20psi icing would be a problem, hmmm. > > Fraser ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:37:44 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?jim=20Prendergast?= To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: AVIATION BOOKS Message-ID: <20011013063744.91302.qmail@web14404.mail.yahoo.com> A few books worth reading (if you can still get them):- THE DAY THE RED BARON DIED....Dale Titler WIND IN THE WIRES..... D Grinnell-Milne FLYING MINNOWS........"Roger Vee" (Vivian Voss) THE CANVAS FALCONS.... Stephen Longstreet OFFENSIVE PATROL...... Norman Macmillan WINGED VICTORY........ V.M.Yeates FLYING FURY........... James McCudden VC FIGHTER PILOT......... "McScotch" WAR BIRDS............. Unknown Aviator (Eliot Springs) this is still my favourite! SKILL AND DEVOTION.... P.E.Butcher,ground staff 2RFC GERMAN WAR BIRDS...... "Vigilant" RICHTOFEN............. William E Burrows THE RED BARON ........ Emile L Schurmacher THE RED BARON......... Autobiography? Trans. P. Kilduff FLYING IN FLANDERS.... Willy Coppens THE BALLOON BUSTER.... Norman S. Hall THE FIRST OF THE FEW.. Dennis Winter NOCTURNE MILITAIRE.... Eliot Springs THE COURAGE OF THE EARLY MORNING...W. Arthur Bishop THE EAGLES HEIGHT..... Fiction but good. Robert Elliot HIGH ADVENTURE.........Harry Cobby (Aussie Ace) ....plus dozens more. A couple of extremely handy reference books are EISERNES KREUZ UND BALKEN KREUZ..Heinz J. Nowarra (Text in both English and German. Very good reference to Jastas, their leaders, locations and markings) THE AIRCRAFT OF THE SWISS AIR FORCE SINCE 1914. About 1/4 content WW1 aircraft with 3/view drawings & tech info. Big coverage of planes of 'tween war years if you're, like me, a biplane freak. I got my copy at Lucerne Museum years ago. And of course JANES FIGHTING AIRCRAFT OF WORLD WAR ONE..Foreword by John R. Taylor. ALSO one of the most readable histories OFFICIAL HISTORY OF AUSTRALIA IN THE WAR 1914-18, Vol. VIII, by Cutlack. All about the Aust. Flying Corps. Regards Jim P. http://briefcase.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Briefcase - Manage your files online. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 23:58:38 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: Query on Polish terminology Message-ID: <3BC49E6800041DDB@mail.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) Hi all, I'm working on some new profiles and am curious as to whether the Wyzsza Szkola Pilotow (aka the WSP) - Advanced Pilot's School, was a single unit, or a generic term for a multitude of locations. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 17:07:11 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?jim=20Prendergast?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Airbrush Message-ID: <20011013070711.63231.qmail@web14401.mail.yahoo.com> --- Balzer Mr Gregory P wrote: > Good Morning Lee, > > Continuing the airbrush line of questions, I am > interested in setting up a > C02 system. I have been told that C02 "freezes" the > paint, industrial C02 > is "dirty," and that the bottles require inspection. > I tend to think a lot > of this is BS. What says you? The system sounds > simple, clean and most > importantly, QUIET. I'd like to tap in to your > experience, and ask if you > would be so kind to contact me off list to answer > some questions, unless > everyone wants the hear about C02 systems. > > TIA, > Greg Balzer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee M. [mailto:lemen@x25.net] > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 11:36 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Airbrush > > Nice to have a cohort in the scheme of things. I > try to give good advice. > > Lee M. > > Steven Perry wrote: > > > > There is another thing that can make your use of > the airbrush a joy > > forever. > > > > > > If you do not have one get a tank to go between > your compressor and the > > air > > > brush. Install a gauge system. One with tank > pressure and one with > > output > > > line pressure. > > > > I find that indispensable. No pulsing and great > pressure control. I got a > > cheap portable air tank like you take to the gas > station to fill with air. > > Some hardware store brass fittings, gauges, valves > and a moisture trap. I > > have a worn out compressor that will put out 30-35 > psi, connected to the > > tank by a lever type bicycle clamp to a standard > tire type valve on the > > tank. The pump is so worn that it won't start if > it is connected and there > > is air in the tank, so it has to be disconnected > to start. This has of > > course worn out the bicycle valve which has to be > held on with rubber > bands > > or it leaks air. It leaks some air anyway where it > is connected to the air > > compressor hose under a glob of CA encrusted tape > of several types and > > layers. > > > > Same idea Lee, but something tells me your rig > could stand inspection by 9 > > out of 10 DIs ;-) > > > > I used to have a CO2 tank, but ended up trading > it. That is the way to go > > folks. Works good, lasts a long time. > > sp Greg Co2 IS the way to go. No noise, no vibration, no water trap and very simple to use. I worked in advertising most of my life and now retired still use a Tayer & Chandler and a Paasche IL for models and artwork to amuse myself. I use Tamiya acrylics for models thinned down about 50/50 with water & Methylated spirits mix...or as the directions sometimes say "about the consistency of milk." The main thing is clean out every bit of paint thru your brush after you finish with the same mix or pure Meths. Of course DO NOT USE anywhere near heat or a flame or you'll have a flamethrower on your hands. For artwork I use acrylic designers colours or tempera. suitably thinned down. Hope this helps Jim P. http://briefcase.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Briefcase - Manage your files online. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 09:58:34 +0200 From: Paul Thompson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Left on the shelf... Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011013094209.00a68140@pop.xs4all.nl> Dear listees, .......but in the nicest possible way. Finally finished the Aeroclub 1/48th Fe2b as Zanzibar/Scotch Express. Photos to follow in a couple of weeks. I'm prompted to announce this simply ços of recent mention of rigging traumas. I have to say, the kit itself was easy to build. The hard bit was sorting out what this specific aircraft really looked like (even using the Datafile), and rigging the beasty. I heartilly reccommend this kit to anyone wanting an unusual looking subject. Thanks to all who helped with the details. (BTW, I tried to engage Uggie drive but it wouldn't go. Did manage to reach ramming speed a couple of times though. If you really want to achieve warp of course you should don some large resin wings). In the meantime, while waiting for boomer bits to go solid, finished up a Blue Max Pfalz DXII, Flashback SSW DIII, Roden Pfalz DXII, Mac Pfalz DIIIa, Pegasus Albatross W4 and Macchi M5. Started a Blue Max DH2, cleaned up and laid out for working on Eric's Gotha, started a resin DH5 in 1/72, had a look at the big Revel Camel and put it back in the box, didn't yet finish the DH1a, did do the HD2 floater and Sopwith Baby, toyed with various ot UK 30s and 50s things, and failed to get a life. Busy month. All the best, Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:56:49 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Polish Albatros Message-ID: <002101c153c4$ff609660$0200a8c0@x.pl> Rory wrote: > the Polish-Russian (or Russo-Polish, depending on where you > live) war in Vol. no.2 of Chandelle... To be precise, that was not Polish-Russian, but Polish-Soviet war, many White Russians were fighting on Polish side in that war. This is important, because it was some kind of nowadays 'anti-terrorist war', at that time fundamentalists were not islamic but communistic, and Trotsky wanted to 'ignite Europe', so it was war not against Poland, but against old order of things, and Poland stopped it in 15 August 1920 at its capital, Warsaw east suburbs (student operated volunteer battery operated even from Warsaw University). And soviet army was multinational, Russians, Georgians (eg. Stalin), Ukrainians, Czechs, some Poles too... This is very important to understand that Soviet Union was not Russia, politically and nationally too, for me the best examples of it are that Stalin was Georgian, and Khruschew Ukrainian. OT content: many white-oriented Russians, Ukrainians and also Poles, forced to serve in Red Aviation, defected to Polish forces with their planes (eg. famous Nieuport with 'Hunting Diana' painted on it, I wrote about it earlier), also there is known example that Polish crypto-communist pilot defected to Soviet with Fokker D.VIII. It was not thing of nationality! Greetings! Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:50:09 +0200 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "Wwi Modeling List (Posta elettronica)" Subject: The 8th Isonzo Battle (was Re: Today in history - The Italian front) Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E906F1D3@SERVER1> Dear Neil, thanks for your interest in the above named topic. My business and museum restoration activities reduce spare time to a real minimum, but here is a very brief summary about the battle. The 8th Isonzo Battle was the second in a series of three, which took place in September, October and December 1916 and which were conceived as a mean to help Roumania, which had entered the war on the Entente's side on the 27th August 1916. The former 6th Isonzo Battle had ended with a consistent victory for Italian forces, leading to the conquest of the very important city of Gorizia. That attack was prepared and meant to be a real large offensive and thus was very different from the following three battles, which were simply meant as very brief efforts. The area where the 7th, 8th and 9th battles took place was admirable for defence and A-H positions were well organized and prepared. Weather conditions were certainly not favourable for an attack and remained bad for all the relevant periods of time. That notwithstanding, and also thanks to the very good cooperation between the Italian artillery and the artillery observation Squadriglie, the final loss balance was more or less equal for both parties (the Kingdom of Italy lost 77.312 men, while the A-H Empire lost 74.298 men). Such losses were far inferior to those suffered by the allied and by the Germans in the contemporary battle of the Somme. The 8th Isonzo battle did not bring to any substantial territorial gain for the Italians but, given the advantage enjoyed by the A-H positions and the fact that Italians were not defeated but gained some territories, that battle raised in Gen. Boroevic some serious doubts about his forces' real defensive potential. The Italian observation squadrons involved in the battle were equipped with Caudrons and Farmans. Collaboration with army artillery units, which had started about 1 year before, had reached very good standards and this allowed the Italian Supreme Command to estabilish that, in order to reduce Italian losses, infantry would have attacked only after the most part of the enemy's barrages had been destroyed by the artillery. The Italian aviation units involved in the battle were: - 42a, 43a, 44a and 47a, belonging to the 5th Gruppo; - 41a and 45a, belonging to the 6th Gruppo. Those Squadriglie's main duties were directing artillery fire, as well as taking pictures of the enemy's defensive positions, movements and logistic or supporting centres. Flights took place before, during and after the Italian attack, to supply informations to commands and to direct artillery fire. Aeroplanes flew all over the day and covered the whole battle front continuosly. Each mission lasted about 2.5 hrs. Italian observation aeroplanes were linked to three special wireless stations, which were erected for the purpose. Each aircraft was assigned a specific period of time (15 seconds) for transmission, so that transmissions from different aeroplanes could not interfere on each other. Aircraft were equipped with Marconi wireless apparatuses. Escort was provided by the fighters of the 1st and 2nd Gruppi, including the famous 76th and 77th Squadriglie. Combats were few. The fighter pilots were taught to be careful while approaching the Italian two-seaters, as their antennas were 150 m long when fully extended. No losses were suffered by Italian planes, which were hit only by a few "archie" shots, which did not cause much damage. A total of 584 reconnaissance and artillery observation missions were carried out by Italian two-seaters during the three Isonzo battles of autumn 1916. Dr. Alberto Casirati Honorary Keeper - Aviation Section Bergamo Museum of History www.museostoricobg.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 11:25:07 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re:Query on Polish terminology Message-ID: <003101c153c8$f3a49a20$0200a8c0@x.pl> > whether the Wyzsza > Szkola Pilotow (aka the WSP) - Advanced Pilot's School, was a single unit, > or a generic term for a multitude of locations. > > Bob Bob! It was single unit, created in former German airbase in Poznan-Lawica in 1919. then moved to Grudziadz in December 1920. In 1927 was renamed as Szkola Strzelania i Bombardowania (Shool of Aerial Shooting and Bombing, sth like Top Gun :-) with course of advanced pilotage, and at 1937 was again renamed as Szkola Wyzszego Pilotazu (School of Advanced Pilotage) and moved to Ulez near Deblin, as a part of Centrum Wyszkolenia Lotnictwa nr1 (Center of Aviation Training no.1) in Deblin, Deblin was really center, had places for 1000 of students and was one of best European airforce schools at that time, which trained almost all Polish WWII aces. Yours Grzegorz (I've got set of books for you, but had no time to send it earlier. Today they are packed and sealed, and I'll send it on Monday for sure! - there is one book about trainers used in Poland, if you want to know something particular, just ask!, and books you'll have in a week, I think) G. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 00:33:39 -0600 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Squadron Mail Oredr's "Kit of the Year" for 2002 Message-ID: > Dear Todd; > >I'm not going to defend Squadron (The shipping is too expensive for us in >Argentina) nothing so far from myself;but they anounce >that they are selling it. Is it a lie? I don't know. In this address they >anounce the product. > >http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=HI0010 The page lists "Advance Orders Only". That tells me it hasn't been received yet. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 12:17:58 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: The 8th Isonzo Battle (was Re: Today in history - The Italian front) Message-ID: <005101c153d0$55b65440$0200a8c0@x.pl> Alberto! Very interesting! BTW, I'm in contact with prof. Tamasz Goworek, author of Polish monography of Balilla (part of 'First Fighters of Polish Aviation' book). He was consultant of Alegi's monography, but his comments came to late to be used in Alegi's book. He said, that on Alegi's book cover art showing Mokotowskie Airfield sun shines form north, and also engine's radiator is too big for Polish Balillas. I think that there is no agreement, if Balilla was good plane or not. AFAIK, it was not widely used in Italy, so it suggest that is was worse than French contemporary planes (SPADs and Hanriots). Also opinions of 3 aces, Baracca, Piccio and Rufo diCalabria were not very good (worse manouverabitlity than in SPAD!), but I have to be honest and admit, that they AFAIK tested very early examples or even prototypes, which were later modified. Main problem with Balilla was, AFAIK very signifcant losing speed in turn, which caused dogfight very hard, and also caused at least 3 crashes during low level aerobatics: Pirelli, Haber-Wlynski and Luigi Mainardi. I'm not talking about Polish built Balillas, as they were really bad due to bad early production in my country. (First Hannover Cl.II produced in Poland also crashed quickly) Write me about it, please! Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 12:54:11 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Latest updates Message-ID: <3BC81D53.13A312C8@bg.am.lodz.pl> Hi, After very busy month I finally found little time to see latest updates. Karen, my first thoughts after I saw your Oeffag was to throw away all mine kits. But now I decided. Mine Oeffag must be better. I do not know how long I will spend working on it, how much time would it take, I must be better. I now this is "mission impossible", but at last i will try. Rumpler is also very inspiring. I'm waiting for Ludemann kit, I have Blue raider decals for another polish Rumpler (black 33 with overpainted german crosses). Mark, Thanks a lot, This time Nieuport, great. I will be waiting for next pictures. Your Albatros is the best source of information of construction of that plane I ever seen. Nigel, I do not build armour vehicles but I always like to look at them. Great little model, your dry brushing and weathering is just like it should be IMO. And figures. Wow, They are 1/72? I try to build 120 mm napoleonic from tim to time but mine looks worse than yours... John, Phoenix is something I like to have in my collection. I'm still waiting for BM kit. you used small sponge for painting. Is it very difficult technique? I will have to try. Very nice pictures. And had you any troubles with turnbuckles? And loud WELCOME for all new members from Poland, please forgive me that i did not do that earlier but I was very very busy and I had time only for read my mail and answer for most important (mostly business) letters -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 12:25:51 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: old plastic questions Message-ID: Hey! I meant to ask this to the list for a while, but making phony jokes have distracted me from this purpose: Have you noticed, on working with an old kit, that the surface of the plastic became harder and somehow brittler than the "core"? I've experienced this on kits like the Nieuport 28 from Revell (it must have about 25 yrs. from issue) when I sanded and carved the inner fuselage and the wing ribs. What looked like a very hard styrene became a bit more workable once I got about a quarter of a mm. inside. This also seems to happen on the resin, as I took an old Rosemont Dr.1 resin cowling to make an experiment and just below the surface, the resin was lighter in colour and had a better handling with the knife blade. This process sure must be accelerated if the plastic is exposed to sunlight, but I doubt that my kits were exposed too much to light in the years prior to start its building. I can't help but think that the same aging process keeps working once our models are painted and built. How much fragile will become the models once a few years have passed? Does one have to be more careful moving around old models than the newer efforts, wich will resist stresses better due to more flexibility of parts and glued joints? What's the meaning of life? Where goes the light when I flick the switch off? D. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:27:05 -0300 From: "martin" To: "WWI Lista" Subject: Hi-Tech Message-ID: <003f01c1537d$c9c91320$b70de818@fibertel.com.ar> Dear folks does somebody know the address Hi-Tech in France ? Martin H. Afflitto ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:31:10 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Snipe insides.... ???? Message-ID: <007801c153e2$f17b79c0$cbc7223f@umber> Would anyone have any cockpit pics or plans for the Sop Snipe? I am building the EE 1/72 one. Thank you muchly.. Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 12:48:36 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Snipe insides.... ???? Message-ID: Ross! Get the datafile and you'll have lots of data. D. PS: got a 504 too? >From: "Ross Moorhouse" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Snipe insides.... ???? >Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 08:29:33 -0400 (EDT) > >Would anyone have any cockpit pics or plans for the Sop Snipe? I am >building >the EE 1/72 one. > >Thank you muchly.. > >Ross > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:57:47 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Snipe insides.... ???? Message-ID: <008701c153e6$a9de82c0$cbc7223f@umber> No I haven't got the 504 yet. End of this coming week I should order it. Datafiles.. sign ... :) Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 10:49 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Snipe insides.... ???? | Ross! | Get the datafile and you'll have lots of data. | D. | PS: got a 504 too? | | | >From: "Ross Moorhouse" | >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org | >To: Multiple recipients of list | >Subject: [WWI] Snipe insides.... ???? | >Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 08:29:33 -0400 (EDT) | > | >Would anyone have any cockpit pics or plans for the Sop Snipe? I am | >building | >the EE 1/72 one. | > | >Thank you muchly.. | > | >Ross | > | > | | | _________________________________________________________________ | Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp | | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 22:11:49 -0300 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_H=E9ctor_AFFLITTO_ECHAG=FCE?= To: "WWI Lista" Subject: Oldies Models Message-ID: <006501c15384$094e4f00$b70de818@fibertel.com.ar> Dear Diego, I have Aurora models and inpack from 1956-57 some of them seem made of glass,hard brokable. like the gotha that seemed made of red plastic; but others which I haven't built yet and are kept in their oroginal boxes,touching the tree they seem to have kept their plastic qualities. As for resine; the old one used "carga"(body powder) when time passed it seemed rock crystal. As for the "poluretanica" resine It isn't old enough to observe a change in it. Obviously any old kit is more delicate. Martïn H. 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