WWI Digest 3791 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Merlin kit/again by "Tom Plesha" 2) Re: The Cost of R/C/homebuilt by "Tom Plesha" 3) Re: OT Cookie Question... by Dennis Ugulano 4) Re: Merlin kit by Dennis Ugulano 5) Re: Vimy? by "cameron rile" 6) Re: New Images by "Matt Bittner" 7) Re: Merlin kit by Todd Hayes 8) Another update by "Matt Bittner" 9) RE: Spad Afficionados-Wings by Marc Flake 10) Re: Another update by "Ross Moorhouse" 11) RE: You Know You're a Modeler When... by PolTexCW@aol.com 12) The mystery of the $12 Gotha by Marc Flake 13) RE: You Know You're a Modeler When... by Karen Rychlewski 14) Re: MPM by Rory Goodwin 15) Re: In case you wanted some by Rory Goodwin 16) Rigging by "martin" 17) Re: Creamcoat/Future ratio? plus retarder?? by "Len Smith" 18) Re: The Cost of R/C/homebuilt by "David C. Fletcher" 19) RE: You Know You're a Modeler When... by "Gaston Graf" 20) Re: Airbrushes by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 21) Re: MPM again by Todd Hayes 22) Re: MPM by Witold Kozakiewicz 23) Re: MPM by "Matt Bittner" 24) Re: MPM by "Matt Bittner" 25) RE: Spad Afficionados-Wings by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 26) another spam - is Diego involved? by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 27) Re: MPM by Witold Kozakiewicz 28) RE: Spad Afficionados-Wings by Crawford Neil 29) RE: thanks by Crawford Neil 30) RE: another spam - is Diego involved? by "dfernet0" 31) Re: Another update by Didier Mario 32) Re: MPM by "Matt Bittner" 33) Re: MPM by Jan Vihonen 34) 只需268元，专业秘书请回家！ by "网际快车" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:20:47 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: Merlin kit/again Message-ID: <000701c151f2$f54108a0$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi Rory- Thanks, thats the kind of info I needed. I do have the Eduard kit, but Oh Well, just curious. Later Tom S.E.MI. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rory Goodwin" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 9:08 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Merlin kit > Uh, not sure if it qualifies as a kit. More like a woodworking project > than a plastic model; very thick & chunky, no 'fit' in the usual sense and > probably not accurate. Paid $10 for one when I was younger & more foolish > (if that's possible). I wouldn't think its worth more than a fiver - you > may be able to use the decals on something else. Do yourself a favor and > spend the $25 for the Eduard kit. > > Tom Plesha wrote: > > > Hi All- > > Anyone have any comments on on the 1/48 Merlin Roland C2 Kit, quality, > > accuracy, etc. I'm watching it on e-bay. > > Later > > Tom > > S.E.MI. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:23:40 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: The Cost of R/C/homebuilt Message-ID: <000f01c151f3$5d09a320$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi Dave- What homebuilt? Original, plans, kit? Later Tom S.E.MI. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David C. Fletcher" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 9:06 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: The Cost of R/C > Hans Trauner wrote: > > "I calculated every flying hour with around 50 DM / 25$..." > > Which is more than it costs me to fly my 1m=100cm scale aeroplane (of > course, it is homebuilt, which is cheaper than a factory 'spam can')! I > once looked at R/C but decided to buy a real aircraft instead (owned > four to date). Since they have all remained in one piece and > appreciated in value, I have essentially flown for nothing since I > started committing aviation in a public place... I don't know of any > R/C modellers who can make that claim. > > I build models to fill in the time between puttering around the airport > or muttering about poor flying weather. However, between real and model > aeroplanes, I still spend less than some people do on tobacco products > and hard liquor, so I have spousal concurrence! In my opinion, what one > spends on a hobby is purely a matter of personal choice and the income > to support it; so, if R/C is your preference, or 1/8th scale Hasegawa > kits, or whatever, go for it. People with hobbies live longer! I plan > to be immortal... > > Dave Fletcher > -- > Visit us at our Home Page: > > We now have a Yahoo address as well: > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:44:02 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: OT Cookie Question... Message-ID: <200110102144_MC3-E2F1-223B@compuserve.com> Ross, Thanks for the cookie. My reference is "The Fighters" by Thomas Funderburk. We both could be right. Maybe your's was the first combat death. My reference is about a squadron that was leaving England to cross the channel to France. He crashed shortly after takeoff. And reading the account again, there seemed to only one person in the plane even though it was a two seater. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 10/06/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:44:03 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Merlin kit Message-ID: <200110102144_MC3-E2F1-223C@compuserve.com> Tom, If the Merlin is of the same quality of his other 1/48th scale kits, RRRRRUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!! Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 10/06/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:06:03 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Vimy? Message-ID: <62A59E9CB99329448B3FD40A29F94EE9@cameron.prontomail.com> Grzegorz, >Don't worry!!! I cant be too concerned I already ordered it. Wasnt on the front doorstep when I came home though. >It is MOST INSPIRING KIT!!! Sounds good, I plan it to be the inspiring London-Sydney Vimy. >Compared with Datafile plans shows only >two real inaccuracies, one small: airlon >horns (little too short), and one bigger: >that turtledeck, which is more than 1 cm to long! That is way within my boundaries of acceptable accuracy. Thanks for the heads up :) cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:12:43 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: New Images Message-ID: <200110110211.f9B2BOH07385@robin.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:46:06 -0400 (EDT), Mark Miller wrote: > Biggest trick here is all the metalic surfaces. What metallic surfaces? The plane was aluminum *doped*. > can we get rid of some of those old DVa renderings, I've got later versions which IMHO are much better. > and thanks for re-arranging my pages :-) Just LMK which ones, and I'll do it. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:34:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Merlin kit Message-ID: <20011011023422.16079.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, I'd watch in go right on by. Calling the 1:48 Merlin kits lemons would be far from the truth. They out right stink! Just imagine an injection molded kit that has been put in an oven for a while. The quality would be better. Todd --- Tom Plesha wrote: > Hi All- > Anyone have any comments on on the 1/48 Merlin > Roland C2 Kit, quality, > accuracy, etc. I'm watching it on e-bay. > Later > Tom > S.E.MI. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:49:12 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Another update Message-ID: <200110110247.TAA01075@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Just added a new area - "Polish Air Force" - to Karen's area. Superb work, Karen!! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:59:45 -0500 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Spad Afficionados-Wings Message-ID: <3BC50B21.3C99@airmail.net> Grzes: Mr. Kit in Italy carries many of Barry's Roseplane products. Including wing units for 25,000 lira. Go to: http://www.misterkit.com Click on listino prezzi, thenselect "R" from the menu. Scroll down to Roseplane/Roseparts. Marc Flake ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:03:59 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Another update Message-ID: <00cc01c15201$610d6fc0$eeef3c3f@umber> Karen, WOW great builds there. Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:49 PM Subject: [WWI] Another update | Just added a new area - "Polish Air Force" - to Karen's area. Superb | work, Karen!! | | | Matt Bittner | | | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:02:42 EDT From: PolTexCW@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: You Know You're a Modeler When... Message-ID: <159.24b9b56.28f665d2@aol.com> You are having surgery under anesthetic but fight to remain conscious so that you can steal things off of the instrument tray whilst the surgical team is distracted by the curiosities they have discovered in your innards. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:09:07 -0500 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: The mystery of the $12 Gotha Message-ID: <3BC50D53.2188@airmail.net> That was a Bruce Beamish Special. I would have said something when I spotted it, but "Bruce" doesn't like Internet notifications of his specials. I'm not sure what he'd do. But I like ordering from Squadron, so I won't tempt fate. Just visit the site every day and be sure to click on the "Bruce Beamish Special" on the "NEW" page. They also have some good "Subscriber Specials" for those who subscribe. About a month ago in their "COMSALE" they had DML Fokker D VIIs listed for about $15. They sold out quickly. Marc Flake ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:19:12 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: You Know You're a Modeler When... Message-ID: <3BC50FAF.E6C6D58C@earthlink.net> ...you're leaving the dentist's office, mind and mouth numb, and you ask for the diamond dust drill bits he just used as a souvenir of the excavation Dame Karen (who slips those little suckers in a Dremel and forgets the pain) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:36:05 -0700 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: MPM Message-ID: <3BC513A5.3731E476@earthlink.net> As in 2A2? Say it ain't just a rumor; I'm facing a buidup of one of the worst Pegasus kits ever... Matt Bittner wrote: > Does anyone have the URL for MPM? I want to check their site and see > if they have announced the Salmson yet. ;-) TIA! > > Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:54:49 -0700 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: In case you wanted some Message-ID: <3BC51809.245A84E9@earthlink.net> For those of you that don't already know, be advised that the toolings of a few of these (especially the D.Va, Camel and F2B) are decades old and a bit tired, resulting in schmutz on the fuselages, ejector pin craters and paper-thin props (these are usually replaced anyway I guess). A few (such as the D.Va) have been superceded by modern, more accurate kits from other companies such as Eduard. A parts yard of older issue kit carcasses and bits is indispensible when wringing out these reissues (Just ask Matt). Accuracy is a can of worms I'll let others open. Basically, these can be fun but take a lot of work to accurize. The Pup may be the best of the litter (though the wings and fabric texture are a "challenge"), but the 0/400 is impressive and a well-timed reissue. FWIW John Huggins wrote: > I was looking at Squadron "Just Arrived" page and found the following > Airfix kits. > AX00074 1/72 Fokker Dr.I $4.48 Sale price $3.96 > AX00075 1/72 Sopwith Camel $4.48 Sale price $3.96 > AX00078 1/72 Albatros D.Va $4.48 Sale price $3.96 > AX00080 1/72 Bristol F2B $4.48 Sale price $3.96 > AX00081 1/72 SPAD VII $4.48 Sale price $3.96 > AX00082 1/72 Sopwith Pup $4.48 Sale price $3.96 > AX06007 1/72 Handley-Page 0/400 $21.98 Sale price $18.96 > > JP ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:14:38 -0300 From: "martin" To: "WWI Lista" Subject: Rigging Message-ID: <024301c151a6$b2256260$b70de818@fibertel.com.ar> I idea to paint monofilamento first Orvis Fishing cord has a coloured product in black, silver and green used to fish with fly. If you have already installed it, you should look for a solution that makes it rough. Use the strong thiner but try it away from the model . Then paint it. I hope you get good results. Martin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:23:44 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Creamcoat/Future ratio? plus retarder?? Message-ID: <002301c15218$d596b100$c0867ed4@oemcomputer> Michael, There is some hope for you after all ! Unpublished advantage of real brushes--- ever tried chewing the end of an airbrush? Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith > That's fine but when I take the tip off my T&C it's sooooo sophisticated > that the paint all pours out the end! Maybe I need to use something that I > can understand like an ordinary brush with bristles. Len Smith and Nigel > Rayner could have been right all this time... hmm... > > Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:01:10 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The Cost of R/C/homebuilt Message-ID: <3BC535A6.8050606@mars.ark.com> Tom Plesha wrote: > What homebuilt? Original, plans, kit? It's "ot"! However, it is of wood and fabric construction, built from plans - follow my website to the 'family aeroplane' for a description and photo's. While you're there, check out my 'ot' book as well ;-) Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: We now have a Yahoo address as well: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:38:30 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: You Know You're a Modeler When... Message-ID: LOl - that reminds me a visit at the dentist as I was 14. At the time such tools was not available yet for modelers so I asked for old ones at the dentist. He was really astonished and still talked about it at my last visit. Now I'm 36 and still patient of the same doc ;o). Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de WWI] RE: You Know You're a Modeler When... > > > ..you're leaving the dentist's office, mind and mouth numb, and > you ask for the > diamond dust drill bits he just used as a souvenir of the excavation > > Dame Karen (who slips those little suckers in a Dremel and > forgets the pain) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:09:02 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Airbrushes Message-ID: Anyone else = >out there speaking well of the Badger 200? >Just wondering- >KA Love my Badger Crescendo, does that count? N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:30:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: MPM again Message-ID: <20011011083010.42877.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Pretty easy one to remember, eh? --- Matt Bittner wrote: > Never mind, I found it. DUH! > > > Matt Bittner > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:40:02 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: MPM Message-ID: <3BC55AE2.50309@bg.am.lodz.pl> Rory Goodwin wrote: > As in 2A2? Say it ain't just a rumor; I'm facing a buidup of one of the > worst Pegasus kits ever... They have announced Salmson, also Bre.14 and Bre.19. but none of them release yet. I was at MPM shop in Czech Rep. last Saturday (little shopping trip with Tomasz G.) Owner did not know when it could be available. First will be some ot kits like Wellington and A-17. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 04:16:24 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: MPM Message-ID: <200110110914.f9B9Eg313199@falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:35:00 -0400 (EDT), Rory Goodwin wrote: > As in 2A2? Say it ain't just a rumor; I'm facing a buidup of one of the > worst Pegasus kits ever... Well, it was announced at the beginning of the year, so hopefully it is still true. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 04:19:31 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: MPM Message-ID: <200110110917.f9B9Hp317667@falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 04:41:56 -0400 (EDT), Witold Kozakiewicz wrote: > They have announced Salmson, also Bre.14 and Bre.19. but none of them > release yet. I was at MPM shop in Czech Rep. last Saturday (little > shopping trip with Tomasz G.) Owner did not know when it could be > available. First will be some ot kits like Wellington and A-17. Any way you could light a fire under his posterior and get those released first? :-) And is it true he's planning a Bre.14? I always heard that one as a rumor only. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:24:31 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: RE: Spad Afficionados-Wings Message-ID: <003101c1516d$5f4929c0$0200a8c0@x.pl> Michael! Only one thing is real problem for me: making good ribs effect on wings. And this is only thing that lacks in Rosemont's :-) I'll have to try make ribs by roll-pen on thin plastic, and then glue it on thicker 'core'. I've never tryied it. BTW, what do you think, how ribs should look in 1/72 scale? G. > >So it is just airfoil piece of plastic, IIUC? The same I can make > >from flat sanded sheet bend on bottle with my normal clothes iron? > > I suppose. If you can make your own, great. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:31:15 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: "wwi lista" Subject: another spam - is Diego involved? Message-ID: <004d01c1516e$4f94f8a0$0200a8c0@x.pl> extract from todays list spam: > Since inclusion can be considered recognition of your career position > and professionalism, each candidate is evaluated in keeping with > high standards of individual achievement > the International Executive Guild thinks that you may make an > interesting biographical subject It must be about you, Dieguito! BTW, I've seen yesterday Argentinian film 'Swamp' by Lucrecia Martel, produced by 'Wanda Productions' - some connections? Warmest cheers from Polonia, Che! Gregorio _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:39:19 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: MPM Message-ID: <3BC568C7.7070206@bg.am.lodz.pl> Matt Bittner wrote: > On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 04:41:56 -0400 (EDT), Witold Kozakiewicz wrote: > > >>They have announced Salmson, also Bre.14 and Bre.19. but none of them >>release yet. I was at MPM shop in Czech Rep. last Saturday (little >>shopping trip with Tomasz G.) Owner did not know when it could be >>available. First will be some ot kits like Wellington and A-17. >> > > Any way you could light a fire under his posterior and get those > released first? :-) And is it true he's planning a Bre.14? I always > heard that one as a rumor only. I've found information about Bre.14 in the same source as Salmson. Both will be released by Azur, but this is part of MPM. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:59:52 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Spad Afficionados-Wings Message-ID: I'll have to try make ribs by roll-pen on thin plastic, and then glue > it on thicker 'core'. I've never tryied it. > BTW, what do you think, how ribs should look in 1/72 scale? > G. Like you just described! I think glueing scribed thin plastic on to a core gives the most convincing ribs, certainly in 1/72. I've done a lot of looking at ribs, to come to this conclusion. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:02:23 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: thanks Message-ID: Tom, could you give the url again, I was unsubbed when you sent the original mail. /Neil Ps. What does S.E.MI. mean? > > Hi All- > Just a general note of thanks to all who had the time to look > at my work in > progress photos. > Later > Tom > S.E.MI. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:10:32 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: another spam - is Diego involved? Message-ID: <009b01c1523c$f6388860$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Grzes wrote: > > the International Executive Guild thinks that you may make an > > interesting biographical subject > It must be about you, Dieguito! Certainly. My manager just told me that I'm not in the "top 22 list" as announced yesterday and a good bio would be a push in my career. > BTW, I've seen yesterday Argentinian film 'Swamp' by Lucrecia Martel, > produced by 'Wanda Productions' - some connections? Not at all... it was a drama, IIRC, and I'm not too fond of local movies. That makes me an imperialist? :-) > Warmest cheers from Polonia, Che! Thanks! Same from the blossoming southern spring! D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:17:42 +0200 From: Didier Mario To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Another update Message-ID: <3BC571C5.7DDFB98C@iol.it> Karen, this is just another hit from you, a marvelous work. You said th printed (hand painted camo) is not perfect??? I totally disagree with you this time, by the way you have done another great great model. PS criel has just released a new WWI 1/35 kit: the Autocannone SPA 9000, if you are interested I can send you some pic. Cheers. Mario Didier ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 05:13:20 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: MPM Message-ID: <200110111011.DAA19887@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 05:40:48 -0400 (EDT), Witold Kozakiewicz wrote: > I've found information about Bre.14 in the same source as Salmson. Both > will be released by Azur, but this is part of MPM. Woo Hoo!!!! That is excellent news. I don't suppose you could convince Azur/MPM to produce both the A2 *and* the B2, could you? Or at least give us different lower wings, and we'll cover the fuselage windows? Just thinking, here... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:12:15 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: MPM Message-ID: <3BC5707F.966AEF09@helsinki.fi> I thought Azur was some kind of co-operation between some French party and MPM. It is stated somewhere in the Azur kit boxes that "designed in France". Which, BTW, may be reason for the better overall accuracy. MPM does excellent work on the plastic and resin but they don't seem to be as interested to use (or, perhaps, to pay for) the proper reference material for their own kits. Funny thing, Classic Airframes and MPM have some kits in common with similar mistakes; [Off-topic Alert] Fairey Battle with nose part of the wrong shape, Blenheims with too wide a fuselage. It seems that these two firms use the same references. Jan > I've found information about Bre.14 in the same source as Salmson. Both > will be released by Azur, but this is part of MPM. > -- > Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Wed,11 十月 2001 13:33:22 +0800 From: "网际快车" To: "" Subject: 只需268元，专业秘书请回家！ Message-ID: <20011011054900.1B9621C5B536C@smtp4.163.com> ------=_=_NextPart_AAA_BBBB_01C11A5B.CEFD965 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_=_NextPart_CCC_DDDD_01C11A8E.4ECE36A0" ------=_=_NextPart_CCC_DDDD_01C11A8E.4ECE36A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 网际快车，企业上网新选择！（www.ve71.com）
　
　


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