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------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:43:15 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Attention Please Spad Afficionados Message-ID: The wings are totally unrealistic, otherwise quite good. /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Hayes [mailto:thayes_52601@yahoo.com] > Sent: den 10 oktober 2001 08:11 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Attention Please Spad Afficionados > > > To the above, > > Just what are the problems with the Airfix Spad VII > (besides outdated techonolgy)? > > Todd > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 01:27:49 -0600 From: Charles Hart To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: numerous OT auctions Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011010012749.00a26790@spot.colorado.edu> Greetings all, There are a number of OT auctions listed on eBay. Check out: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1648530854 and click on "sellers other auctions" link. Lots of interesting stuff. Happy Bidding, Charles Hart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:33:38 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: You Know You're a Modeler When... Message-ID: You know you're a REAL modeller when you get french 5 coloured finger nails! /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Hunter [mailto:mbpw0220@mts.net] > Sent: den 9 oktober 2001 23:25 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] You Know You're a Modeler When... > > > When you're at work and you notice something shiny on your > finger nail and > it turns out to be decal carrier that you trimmed off of rib taps... > > Graham > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:09:35 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Airbrush Message-ID: I always lay out an old newspaper on my modelling desk when painting, when I'm finished I use up excess paint by spraying my name as neatly as possible. Another trick is to spray a dot, then do a circle around it, I once read that Leonardo da Vinci (IIRC) could draw a perfect circle, I've been aiming for that with total lack of success ever since. /Neil C. > Best advice is to PRACTICE .. I used to make myself draw dots and then > connect them in all sorts of manner. Airbrush Action has many > good ideas on > this if you can get by their excessive self-advertising on > every other page. > > Bob > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:18:23 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Paasche H - Cleaning Message-ID: I've had this happen without using an u/s cleaner. I wrote that I'd had no problems with my Badger, in fact I did have this one. After the umpteenth time when the cup fell off, I got a new cup. This is still the biggest disadvantage of the Badger 100XF, there is no cap to the cup, and even when new, the cup can fall out of it's hole. /Neil C. John wrote: > I used to use a ultrasonic cleaner several years ago. It worked very > well. About 30 to 45 seconds is all it too to completely clean the > brush after a painting session. I stopped using it one day when I > took the color cup for my VL out of the cleaner and while washing it > out and drying it, the little pipe that connects to the airbrush acme > out of the cup. It appears that the ultrasonic vibrations had worked > the solder that holds the pipe into the cup came loose. > > Great tool, great results, but I would not use it as a full > time cleaner. > John > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:37:23 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: The Cost of R/C Message-ID: Tom you're playing in another division, this is the "starting" cost of R/C flying. Everyone knows that from then on costs for hobbies follow an exponential curve, plastic modelling certainly does, and from what I've heard so does RC flying. You should compare $600 with the starting cost of plastic modelling which is about $6. In truth $600 isn't so much, what steered me away from RC flying was simply, why stay on the ground flying, when you can do it for real at the local gliding club, for not much more. In the end I didn't have time for that either, the "local" club was 50 miles away. Plastic modelling is nice because I can stay at home and do it. I do have all respect for you R/C guys, I enjoy reading about it, and admire your gung-ho attitude, just not for me. /Neil C. Tom wrote: > To get to the point, I now tell all prospective flyers that > they can expect > to spend no more than $600.00 USD. > This works out to: > $85.00 for a trainer kit > $40.00 for the plastic covering film ( Monokote or Ultracoat) > $70.00 for a good .40 sized two stroke engine > $170.00 for a bottom of the line dependable four channel radio > and the balance of the 600 will go to tools, glue, flight > line equipment > etc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 04:22:58 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: RE: You Know You're a Modeler When... Message-ID: <200110100922.CAA10769@harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 03:37:01 -0400 (EDT), Crawford Neil wrote: > You know you're a REAL modeller when you get french 5 coloured finger nails! Hear, here!! :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:53:23 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: To B or not to B(alance) Message-ID: >Or you could substitute dowel Gaston. And then does anyone have any thoughts >on carbon fibre rod? > >cheers > >Peter L Yes, had some experience with this stuff. Extremely difficult to join successfully, heavy, and expensive. I would tend to use spruce longerons with balsa formers, its served me very well in the past, and the structure has "bounce" which you will certainly need with a DR1. Notorious for ground looping. All those short moments. If you really want to design a model from scratch, I would seriously recommend two things: 1) Join your local RC club, they will have a wealth of experience to share, and 2) Read " R/C Model Airplane Design" by Andy Lennon. 1986, ISBN 0 903676 14 1 Unfortunately, RM Books is a division of Chart Distributors in UK, whom I believe are no more. S otry Motorbooks International, Osceola, WI, USA. It's a very good read, and covers stability and explains in detail the problems and solutions. Read book, THEN come back here and insist on steel tubing! N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:55:15 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: EK Message-ID: MEK is poisonous, and you must NOT get it on your skin, it gets absorbed. Causes liver failure, just like all the best organic solvents.... :) Lovely smell, if you are into those things.... N Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:01:20 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The Cost of R/C Message-ID: Bravo, I agree with every word, I teach control line, and its even cheaper! AND the lines give you a stability that is hard to achieve with some RC models. Give it a go, everyone! N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:40:51 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: You Know You're a Modeler When... Message-ID: <00a301c15178$0842b780$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> - You see a new car with a great colour and instantly you think in the humbrol/FS/Methuen match of the paint instead of thinking just "a dark green car" or "a cherry red car". -People in a party talk about money, or ties, and you smile and nod but you can only think "why I'm here when I could be rigging that Naglo Quadruplane and have FUN!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 05:41:15 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: MPM Message-ID: <200110101039.DAA03796@harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Does anyone have the URL for MPM? I want to check their site and see if they have announced the Salmson yet. ;-) TIA! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:40:23 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: You Know You're a Modeler When... Message-ID: You start eyeing girls panty-hoses for completely the wrong reasons;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 05:43:07 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: MPM again Message-ID: <200110101041.DAA06888@harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Never mind, I found it. DUH! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:47:38 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Attention Please Spad Afficionados Message-ID: <00b101c15178$fa7547c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> As Neil said, wings. Rosemont does a set of blank vacuformed wings that can be used and that are easier to work with than modifying the kit wings or the Spad XIII wings. A new set of struts will be neat as well. It also needs reworking the front fuselage "bumps" that are the covers of the engine V blocks. I guess that they are a bit undersized. You can superdetail it thoroughly or just emphasize the rear fuselage ribbing, scraping lightly with a hobby knife along the stringers. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Hayes To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 3:11 AM Subject: [WWI] Attention Please Spad Afficionados > To the above, > > Just what are the problems with the Airfix Spad VII > (besides outdated techonolgy)? > > Todd > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:53:24 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: You Know You're a Modeler When... Message-ID: <00d101c15179$c8e79f40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Please don't go further on this, Neil! :-0 D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 7:42 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: You Know You're a Modeler When... > > You start eyeing girls panty-hoses for completely the wrong reasons;-) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:50:28 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Attention Please Spad Afficionados Message-ID: Yes, I forgot them, they really should be added. But as Todd say's generally outdated technology is a problem too. To do a really good model, you'd need to change just about everything but the rear fuselage, so either do a quickie, which will be quite a nice little model, or wait till somebody releases a new one, PLEASE!!!!!!!!! /Neil C. > It also needs reworking the front fuselage "bumps" that are > the covers of > the engine V blocks. I guess that they are a bit undersized. You can > superdetail it thoroughly or just emphasize the rear fuselage ribbing, > scraping lightly with a hobby knife along the stringers. > D. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:59:08 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: The Cost of R/C Message-ID: <00f501c1517a$95aeb7c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Gasterix! > thanks a lot for all the comments and kind advices regarding my idea of > building a true scale Dr.1. A friend of mine is currently working on a RC scale model of the Fokker E.V He's using wood dowels replacing the steel tubing. As soon as he crashes the model I'll report the conclusions! :-) > Maybe in the future it will be possible to build a radio > controlled PILOT figure that controls the model rather than having the > servos control it... That is another idea and sounds crazy but when I read > about the latest developement in robots this does not sound impossible > anymore. I love this idea, Gaston, and maybe then will be my time to go into RC modelling. Imagine an interactive suit for controlling the pilot. Little camera in his eyes, small servos in his fingers to engage the machine guns, armed with tiny live ammo! D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:05:26 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: RE: Attention Please Spad Afficionados Message-ID: <200110101103.f9AB3iH05628@robin.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:44:21 -0400 (EDT), dfernet0 wrote: > As Neil said, wings. Rosemont does a set of blank vacuformed wings that can > be used and that are easier to work with than modifying the kit wings or the > Spad XIII wings. A new set of struts will be neat as well. > It also needs reworking the front fuselage "bumps" that are the covers of > the engine V blocks. I guess that they are a bit undersized. You can > superdetail it thoroughly or just emphasize the rear fuselage ribbing, > scraping lightly with a hobby knife along the stringers. You know, whomever would like to take this on and make "masters" for all the replacement parts, I bet we can get Barry to agree to come out with resin replacements. Seriously think about it. I was going to do it, but I became burned out on making masters... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:24:36 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Attention Please Spad Afficionados Message-ID: <01d101c1517e$25037fc0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Matt wrote: > You know, whomever would like to take this on and make "masters" for > all the replacement parts, I bet we can get Barry to agree to come out > with resin replacements. Seriously think about it. Well I'm a bit shy about the quality of my modelling... > I was going to do > it, but I became burned out on making masters... Speaking of wich, I'm currently using the Nieuport 28 cowl and while perusing in my "resin box" I took the Nieuport 11/17 undercarriage vees to close scrutiny... they're great! Are these yours as well? How did you do it, using a single piece of styrene cut and sanded to shape or joining two pieces of strut material and sculpting the vortex with putty? D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:31:10 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Attention Please Spad Afficionados Message-ID: D you would be a perfect master maker, your building skills are terrific, it's your "finishing things" skills that are er... somewhat lacking;-) If you did the masters, then you wouldn't have to finish anything, you would be our idol anyway! Incidentally, I always do u/c vee's in one piece, for strength, it takes an evening to sand them out, boring but worth it. /Neil C. > Matt wrote: > > You know, whomever would like to take this on and make "masters" for > > all the replacement parts, I bet we can get Barry to agree > to come out > > with resin replacements. Seriously think about it. > > Well I'm a bit shy about the quality of my modelling... > > > I was going to do > > it, but I became burned out on making masters... > > Speaking of wich, I'm currently using the Nieuport 28 cowl and while > perusing in my "resin box" I took the Nieuport 11/17 > undercarriage vees to > close scrutiny... they're great! Are these yours as well? How > did you do it, > using a single piece of styrene cut and sanded to shape or joining two > pieces of strut material and sculpting the vortex with putty? > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:55:26 EDT From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Russian pilots in Osprey Nieuport & SPAD Aces books? Message-ID: <8f.1122a9d1.28f5912e@aol.com> In a message dated 10/9/01 11:08:26 PM EST, rorygood@earthlink.net writes: << How is the coverage of the Eastern Front/Russian Civil War in these? Riordan >> In the Nieuport book, 6 pages of text including 3 photos, one color plate (rear cover). The Russian section is the last section and also has pictures of Nieuports captured by the Germans (on the Western Front). Scott (Skippy) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:03:05 +0000 From: "Shaun Howell" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Books for sale (2) Message-ID: Wow, I'm impressed by the response. Here's what's left of the Datafiles: 13 17 19 23 27 28 31 33 37 38 43 45 46 48 49 51 55 56 63 65 67 74 Fokker Triplane Special If you contact me, please make sure you give me a return e-mail address. Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:13:27 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: The Cost of R/C Message-ID: Many, many moons ago - back in 1976 - I read one of the funniest articles on any hobby about R/C. The idea has shown up since, but the premise was that R/C model competitions should be about the most common aspects of the hobby, so why not apportion points for the crashes. The divided it into Beginner, Intermediate, and Advanced crashes. Beginner included things like: Plane never quite gets off the ground, flies into parking lot, smashes into parked car. Bonus points if plane is then run over by an inattentive car. Intermediate: The post-take-off zoom climb into a hammerhead stall and full power dive. Bonus points awarded for least number of recognizable parts. Also, the loss of some control surface in a dive or maneuver, causing subsequent impact with a fixed object such as the Earth. Bonus points awarded for the longest hang time for the shed control surface. Advanced: Pilot allows aircraft to fly out of transmitter radius during acrobatic display, Bonus points awarded for wreckage found, height of tree aircraft found in, any calls to the FAA about crazy pilot trying to buzz cars on the highway. Extra points for plane which totally disappears from sight while still flying in a relatively sedate manner - ala 'Ghost Plane' Re8. Grand judges prize: Mid-air collisions. There was a lot more, these are just the ones that stuck in my mind over the past 25 years. .Mark. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3787 **********************