WWI Digest 3771 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Fuselage stitching/ was: October IM Re: Eastern Express MoS Type I by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 2) RE: AGO C.II by Peter Mullin 3) Re: Bristol F2b pictures for Hans by "Hans Trauner" 4) SRAM comments? / was: AGO C.II by "Michael Kendix" 5) RE: KARAYA by mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) 6) RE: Karaya by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 7) Re: KARAYA by "Ken Acosta" 8) RE: New Eagle Strike Decals by Scottfking@aol.com 9) RE: Karaya by "Graham Hunter" 10) Odp: RE: Karaya by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 11) RE: Karaya; OOPS by "Graham Hunter" 12) Re: Odp: RE: Karaya by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 13) Blue Max 1/48 Nieuport 28 by "Patrick Gilmore" 14) Booklovers Beware. by "Len Smith" 15) Re: AVRO 504 Kits by "Pedro Soares" 16) RE: Karaya by "Matt Bittner" 17) Re: Blue Max 1/48 Nieuport 28 by "Bob Pearson" 18) Re: Blue Max 1/48 Nieuport 28 by "Lance Krieg" 19) RE: Biddle's Spad XII by Shane Weier 20) Re: Blue Max 1/48 Nieuport 28 by Todd Hayes 21) Re: SRAM comments? / was: AGO C.II by Todd Hayes 22) RE: New Eagle Strike Decals by Todd Hayes 23) Re: Bristol F2b pictures for Hans by Steve Cox 24) Re: Pegasus Decals by Shane Weier 25) Re: Bristol F2b pictures for Hans by Shane Weier 26) Re: Bristol F2b pictures for Hans by "Ross Moorhouse" 27) Re: Bristol F2b pictures for Hans by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 28) Re: Bristol F2b pictures for Hans/again by "Tom Plesha" 29) Re: Blue Max 1/48 Nieuport 28 by "Patrick Gilmore" 30) copper finish by "Tom Plesha" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:25:18 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Fuselage stitching/ was: October IM Re: Eastern Express MoS Type I Message-ID: <031901c14c30$60133fe0$0200a8c0@x.pl> I wrote: > >Don't you think that fus. stitching was on British used planes only? And Michael K. answered: > Nieuports had fusealge stitiching e.g. Nieuport 11. What about those > stitches down the centre of the underside of the Fokker D.VII fusealge? I meant MoS I and N only, not stitching (or precisely lacing) in general. Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 12:54:40 -0500 From: Peter Mullin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: AGO C.II Message-ID: <3BBB50E1.14CBCB6D@biocomp.unl.edu> Grzegorz, Oh, yeah...that's the one (er...two?) -- Peter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:11:21 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Bristol F2b pictures for Hans Message-ID: <000701c14c36$ce57f3a0$3da072d4@FRITZweb> Great, Steve! Many thanks! As already said, I have to find a new excuse not to built a F2B.... Hans > Detail pictures of the F2b undercarriage and lower wing attachment are up on > my site, link on my homepage > > Regards > Steve > > nb > =========================================== > steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html > If I didn't spend so much time on line > << I'd get some models finished > ================ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 18:08:32 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: SRAM comments? / was: AGO C.II Message-ID: Speaking of the AGO C.II, someone on the list, possibly Lubos Vinar, had mentioned they'd received a correspondence from SRAM. Has there been any further development: for example, a translation of the letter he sent to Lubos? For those who are new to the list or don't recall, SRAM kits had allegedly used some other people's artwork, taken from artists web sites without permission, on the box art of their kits. These artists allegedly included our own Bob Pearson and Robert Karr: people who rely on their artwork for a living. Yours, too curiously, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 13:11:13 -0500 From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: KARAYA Message-ID: <150040EE45B4D511B0D000065B04EA09111406@ITCREX002> I apologize, I thought this site would be easily found with a search engine, but I just spent several minutes unsuccessfully trying to find it using both the Excite and the Dogpile search engines. I did find it on Google, but it wasn't readily apparent that it is a plastic pusher. Here's the URL http://www.karaya.ilawa.com/eng/eng2.html Make sure you get the whole thing. BTW, I've tried to access the page twice since I began this e-mail and was unsuccessful both times. This happens periodically, but keep trying. Marc Flake ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 14:20:28 EDT From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: RE: Karaya Message-ID: In a message dated Wed, 3 Oct 2001 1:17:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com writes: > Hey, why not let everyone know the URL for this KARAYA?? > > Best regards, > Jon Because, Jon, if KARAYA gets another DML Fokker D.VII, we don't want any more competition than necessary. ;-))) Actually, the url I gave to Greg doesn't seem to be working right now although it's the same as is listed by the Google search engine. FWIW, you can try www.karaya.ilawa.com. Does anyone else have another url for them? Mike Kavanaugh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 13:32:36 -0500 From: "Ken Acosta" To: Subject: Re: KARAYA Message-ID: This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_7923F4C8.56377120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Jumping on the Karaya endorsement bandwagon... I just received an order from Karaya that included the new Gavia Bristol = Scout (Briscout?) for $14.50US. This is less than half of the US retail = price. e-mail communication with Karaya was smooth and painless. = Response was very quick. The order was placed on 7 Sept and received in = Alabama on 1 Oct, including back-ordered items and the airline traffic = slowdown. I plan on giving them much more of my business. KA --=_7923F4C8.56377120 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="TEXT.htm"
Jumping on the Karaya endorsement bandwagon...
I just received an order from Karaya that included the new Gavia Bristol Scout (Briscout?) for $14.50US.  This is less than half of the US retail price.  e-mail communication with Karaya was smooth and painless.  Response was very quick.  The order was placed on 7 Sept and received in Alabama on 1 Oct, including back-ordered items and the airline traffic slowdown.  I plan on giving them much more of my business.
KA
--=_7923F4C8.56377120-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:33:48 EDT From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: New Eagle Strike Decals Message-ID: <133.283fff8.28ecb40c@aol.com> In a message dated 10/3/01 3:30:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: << Hi Rick! > Wich are the aircraft depicted? Any intertesting D.III? >> The other DIII is one flown by Richard Bassenge, Jasta 2. Green/brown uppers, varnished fuselage with horizontal black/white stripe and another stripe round the fuselage Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:05:54 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Karaya Message-ID: <000d01c14c3e$6ee3f100$fa0101c0@grahamh> << FWIW, you can try www.karaya.ilawa.com. Does anyone else have To: Subject: Odp: RE: Karaya Message-ID: <036401c14c3f$ba201580$0200a8c0@x.pl> > > In the email I received the address is www.kaaraya.ceti.pl > > Graham Another mistake, but this time it is close to original! Correct is: www.karaya.ceti.pl It works, I've checked! Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:21:59 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Karaya; OOPS Message-ID: <001801c14c40$acb14080$fa0101c0@grahamh> DOH only one a, eh. GH < Subject: Re: Odp: RE: Karaya Message-ID: <153.1ec4379.28ecc006@aol.com> In a message dated Wed, 3 Oct 2001 3:14:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Grzegorz Mazurowski" writes: > Correct is: > www.karaya.ceti.pl > It works, I've checked! > Grzegorz > Thanks, Grzegorz. It works great! There goes the DML Fokker D.VII, if they ever get another one. :-) Best regards, Mike Kavanaugh > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:29:09 -0700 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: Subject: Blue Max 1/48 Nieuport 28 Message-ID: <007e01c14c63$33af8a20$dc2d0d18@grapid1.mi.home.com> Anyone know of a shop that still has one (or two) of these in stock? Failing that, does anyone have an extra they would part with? Also, anyone know of a good source for some photos/profiles of US 95th Squadron N28s? Thanks, Patrick Gilmore ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:09:49 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Booklovers Beware. Message-ID: <001201c14c4f$fe2a58c0$334f08c3@oemcomputer> Greetings, I have just been given a Booklist (No.58) of the Naval and Military Press. Rather this is a supplement, dealing with their listing of books relating to the Great War and Military Genealogy. Don't be put of by their name. by the way, they also do Aeronautical books. Most of their books are at list price but quite a few are at reduced prices, some ridiculously so. The Lafayette Escadrille by H.M.Mason at £4.95 instead of £17.95, Under the Guns of the German Aces by Franks and Giblin at £8.95 instead of £19.85 are two examples. Be warned, though, that they list many out of the way books, some on the most obscure subjects, and that as you browse the list you will start thinking 'that one looks interesting' and soon the entire book budget for the year has gone. Be brave and try http://www.naval-military-press.co.uk Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:21:00 +0100 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: AVRO 504 Kits Message-ID: <002b01c14c51$4cd0d160$ce7116d5@netcabo.pt> > I'll never forget the look of W. when we started dating and as a casual > comment I told her that I had a collection of helmets.... > D. > Talk about safe sex..... ;-) Um abraço ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 16:26:01 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: RE: Karaya Message-ID: <200110032124.f93LOI723020@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net> One thing Karaya has no one else does - scale "cable" that one would see on tanks. Very malleable, metal, and the smallest works with small scale armor. Superb! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 14:24:09 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Blue Max 1/48 Nieuport 28 Message-ID: <3BB1307400174CA4@mail.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) The Datafile is probably your best bet, unless there is a book out on the 95th. So far I have just done one Ni.28 from the 95th Bob ---------- >From: "Patrick Gilmore" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Blue Max 1/48 Nieuport 28 >Date: Wed, Oct 3, 2001, 1:33 pm > > Anyone know of a shop that still has one (or two) of these in stock? Failing > that, does anyone have an extra they would part with? > > Also, anyone know of a good source for some photos/profiles of US 95th > Squadron N28s? > > Thanks, > Patrick Gilmore > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 17:13:34 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Blue Max 1/48 Nieuport 28 Message-ID: "First to the Front" by Charles Wooley is an excellent book on the 95th Aero Squadron. There are a number of profiles of the machines from each of the flights, along with a hundred or so pictures. Schiffer publishes this, and I recommend it highly. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:24:19 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Biddle's Spad XII Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD5B9@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Bob says: > I am finishing up a revised profile of Biddle's 13th AS SPAD XII for a > possible bio on him. I previously did the number '0' on the > fueslage in red, > however the photo caption in the SPAD In Action says it is > black. It has > been 9 years since I did my original illustration, so my > reasoning is now > lost to time. Does anyone have confirmation one way or the > other as to the > the colour of the number? And I answer, only half in jest: Isn't the fact that you disagree with the SqnSig good enough? Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:25:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Blue Max 1/48 Nieuport 28 Message-ID: <20011003222538.67820.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Patrick, Sopwith Hobbies might have some left. There is only a e-mail address: SopwithUSA@aol.com Todd --- Patrick Gilmore wrote: > Anyone know of a shop that still has one (or two) of > these in stock? Failing > that, does anyone have an extra they would part > with? > > Also, anyone know of a good source for some > photos/profiles of US 95th > Squadron N28s? > > Thanks, > Patrick Gilmore > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:32:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: SRAM comments? / was: AGO C.II Message-ID: <20011003223220.17085.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Michael, I believe it was Ivan Subrt. Todd --- Michael Kendix wrote: > Speaking of the AGO C.II, someone on the list, > possibly Lubos Vinar, had > mentioned they'd received a correspondence from > SRAM. Has there been any > further development: for example, a translation of > the letter he sent to > Lubos? > > For those who are new to the list or don't recall, > SRAM kits had allegedly > used some other people's artwork, taken from artists > web sites without > permission, on the box art of their kits. These > artists allegedly included > our own Bob Pearson and Robert Karr: people who rely > on their artwork for a > living. > > Yours, too curiously, > > Michael > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:33:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: New Eagle Strike Decals Message-ID: <20011003223345.35372.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Scans of these decals can be found on Squadron or Hannant's web sites. Todd --- Scottfking@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/3/01 3:30:28 AM Pacific > Daylight Time, > tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: > > << Hi Rick! > > Wich are the aircraft depicted? Any intertesting > D.III? > >> > The other DIII is one flown by Richard Bassenge, > Jasta 2. Green/brown > uppers, varnished fuselage with horizontal > black/white stripe and another > stripe round the fuselage > > Scott __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 23:37:21 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Bristol F2b pictures for Hans Message-ID: If you want larger pictures rather than these thumbnails let me know. I also have pictures of the cockpits of the Bristol F2b and M1c, Avro 504K, Sopwith Pup and triplane, SE5A, LVG CVI if anyone's interested Regards Steve nb =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: "Hans Trauner" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:08:06 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Bristol F2b pictures for Hans > > Great, Steve! Many thanks! > As already said, I have to find a new excuse not to built a F2B.... > > Hans > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:30:29 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Pegasus Decals Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD5BD@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Mike M asks: > I'm curious...how were they destroyed? What affect did > all the sunlight have? Red to pink, green to yellow etc., cracked the decal film in numerous places. Utterly destroyed! And incidentally, my decals weren't in direct contact with the glass, having instead been wedged in the frame of the sliding window about 1/2" back from the glass. I knew I was in trouble when I got home and the sheet was rolled into a tube. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:37:40 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Bristol F2b pictures for Hans Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD5BE@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Hans, > Great, Steve! Many thanks! > As already said, I have to find a new excuse not to built a F2B.... There is NO excuse ! Build, and we shall applaud....The world *needs* a new 1/72 Bristol F.2b just as it once needed a 1/48 one ! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:59:35 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Bristol F2b pictures for Hans Message-ID: <002101c14c67$76566340$2df13c3f@umber> Cockpit for the 504 please Steve.. :) Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Cox" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:37 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Bristol F2b pictures for Hans | If you want larger pictures rather than these thumbnails let me know. | | I also have pictures of the cockpits of the Bristol F2b and M1c, Avro 504K, | Sopwith Pup and triplane, SE5A, LVG CVI if anyone's interested | | Regards | Steve | | nb | =========================================== | steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk | http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html | If I didn't spend so much time on line | << I'd get some models finished | ================ | | > From: "Hans Trauner" | > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org | > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:08:06 -0400 (EDT) | > To: Multiple recipients of list | > Subject: [WWI] Re: Bristol F2b pictures for Hans | > | > Great, Steve! Many thanks! | > As already said, I have to find a new excuse not to built a F2B.... | > | > Hans | > | > | > | | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 20:00:30 EDT From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Bristol F2b pictures for Hans Message-ID: <82.1106d890.28ed009e@aol.com> In a message dated Wed, 3 Oct 2001 6:37:50 PM Eastern Steve, I am always interested in getting good reference material and would appreciate very much making copies if you post them to your site. TIA, Mike Kavanaugh Daylight Time, Steve Cox writes: > > I also have pictures of the cockpits of the Bristol F2b and M1c, Avro 504K, > Sopwith Pup and triplane, SE5A, LVG CVI if anyone's interested ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:21:25 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: Bristol F2b pictures for Hans/again Message-ID: <001501c14c6a$8260a260$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi Steve- LVG pictures would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Later Tom S.E.MI. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Cox" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 6:37 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Bristol F2b pictures for Hans > If you want larger pictures rather than these thumbnails let me know. > > I also have pictures of the cockpits of the Bristol F2b and M1c, Avro 504K, > Sopwith Pup and triplane, SE5A, LVG CVI if anyone's interested > > Regards > Steve > > nb > =========================================== > steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html > If I didn't spend so much time on line > << I'd get some models finished > ================ > > > From: "Hans Trauner" > > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:08:06 -0400 (EDT) > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WWI] Re: Bristol F2b pictures for Hans > > > > Great, Steve! Many thanks! > > As already said, I have to find a new excuse not to built a F2B.... > > > > Hans > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:29:25 -0700 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: Subject: Re: Blue Max 1/48 Nieuport 28 Message-ID: <003101c14c84$c47ffa00$dc2d0d18@grapid1.mi.home.com> Thanks! - just ordered it from Amazon... Patrick Gilmore ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Krieg" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 3:15 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Blue Max 1/48 Nieuport 28 > "First to the Front" by Charles Wooley is an excellent book on the 95th Aero Squadron. > > There are a number of profiles of the machines from each of the flights, along with a hundred or so pictures. > > Schiffer publishes this, and I recommend it highly. > > Lance > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:33:58 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: copper finish Message-ID: <000d01c14c6c$424ce880$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi Everyone- I am going to be simulating a copper finish on the Pup engine tubes and on a copper radiator on an ot aircraft. any suggestions on how to: 1. simulate the heat etc. on the engine tubes ? 2. simulate the oxidation on the copper radiator? TIA Later Tom S.E.MI. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3771 **********************