WWI Digest 3741 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: 80+ Day Video alert! by Shane Weier 2) Re: 84 Years Ago Today by "Lyle Lamboley" 3) Pigeons: Was Re: Road trip report by PolTexCW@aol.com 4) Voss duel by "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" 5) RE: egg weathering by Shane Weier 6) RE: egg weathering by Shane Weier 7) Re: 80+ Day Video alert! by "David C. Fletcher" 8) Re: The XY Factor by =?iso-8859-1?q?jim=20Prendergast?= 9) Welcome by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 10) Re: The XY Factor by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 11) Re: Anatra Anasal by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 12) Re: The XY Factor by Shane Weier 13) Nie. 28 cowl slots by Rory Goodwin 14) A sample of American and British phonetic alphabets from the WWI era by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 15) RE: 80+ Day Video alert! by Todd Hayes 16) Re: The XY Factor by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 17) Re: The XY Factor by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 18) VALE by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 19) Re: RC fokker by Allan Wright ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:08:55 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: 80+ Day Video alert! Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD55D@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Todd, > Thanks Shane. By graphic though I mean some quality > European horror films that were cut in the US because > they were too realistic and violent (ironic isn't it?) > such as Vincent Price in The Conqueror Worm (in > Europe- The Witchfinder General) about the real-life > 17th century witch hunter in East Anglia, Matthew > Hopkins, and the brutality and ignorance of his times > (English Civil Wars). Sorry, no OT. Oh, I wasn't thinking of OT graphic - unless it was the sort of film related to the recent thread on the XY issue ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 20:12:52 -0400 From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: Subject: Re: 84 Years Ago Today Message-ID: <001501c1448d$ac026480$05faaec7@lylelamb> Hi Todd, I always promise myself that I'll take out my R/C model of FI 103/17 at dusk on this day and do a few loops and what not in honor of the man, but it hasn't happened yet. One of these years... BTW, the cowl is painted _______. Lyle (diving to avoid flak) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Hayes" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 7:53 PM Subject: [WWI] 84 Years Ago Today > Has anyone noticed that today is the 84th anniversary > of Voss's epic duel with members of 56 Squadron RFC? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 20:24:28 EDT From: PolTexCW@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Pigeons: Was Re: Road trip report Message-ID: <15a.1658032.28dfd73c@aol.com> In a message dated 9/23/1 12:48:20 PM, krychski@earthlink.net writes: << anyone know where I can get a flock of 1/32 pigeons?? >> I just made a whole flock (covey? herd? hoard?) for a Polish horse-drawn field pigeonry. The hardest part was writing the messages to attach to their legs. John Biskupski ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 19:30:53 -0500 From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: "wwi-faq" Subject: Voss duel Message-ID: <001001c14490$2d0890c0$3d32b9cc@unionrai> Has anyone noticed that today is the 84th anniversary of Voss's epic duel with members of 56 Squadron RFC? Todd - interesting, I was going to get back into a British OT subject but I was drawn to the darker regions of the basement where a DML Triplane was stored with the Rosemont resin kit for making the first three triplanes (F101, F102 and F103). So I got it out and finished the interior, bracing and buttoned it up for putty work and sanding. Was thinking during building this would be Voss' a/c (will withhold any comments on the cowling, rudder or wheel covers until finished). I guess I'll finish the Martinsyde S.1 on the date when Capt Strange fell out of the cockpit and hung onto the Lewis drum! Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:32:23 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: egg weathering Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD55E@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Mark commented (yonks back) > I believe that Wyeth used something called "egg tempra" > in some of his paintings. > I know very little about it but I think it's similar to the > process Fernando describes. The term " tempera " has been roughly used to describe all kinds of paints other than oils and watercolours. Properly however, tempera refers only to pigments bound by an emulsion. Egg tempera normally is produced by the artist himself. Pigments ( i.e. inorganic and organic powder colouring matters, e.g. yellow ochre) are mixed with a home-made emulsion consisting of egg, linseed oil, varnish, and water. The main advantage of the water-soluble and thin egg tempera is that it dries very quickly. It, furthermore, covers well, makes possible very sharp strokes, but remains dull. There are numerous "old masters" which were painted using egg tempera - notable artists include Michelangelo, da Vinci, Botticelli, Holbein......Look in the Louvre, Uffizi and elsewhere to see just how effective it can be. This is a *very* old method. Indeed, when tempera began to be mixed with oil paints in the 14th century by IIRC van Eyck, it was already an old, old technique. Shane (errrrm, did an Arts Diploma in the late 70's. Lotsa useless info still in the grey matter) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:40:07 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: egg weathering Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD55F@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Karen notes: > Yep, right on. 'Tempera' refers to any pigment dissolved in > water and mixed (tempered) with an organic gum or glue. From > the 13th to the end of the 15th century, European painters > used 'egg tempera'--usually only the yolk but sometimes the > whole egg--on > specially prepared wooden panels. As you noted, once ithey > dry, eggs become very hard and durable and the paintings > thusly done are as colorful today as they were 600 years ago. > The technique died out when oil paints were invented and > Andrew Wyeth revived the process. Okay, so I was *real* slooooow to answer and Dame Karen got in first. However I'd have recalled Marc Chagall rather than Andrew Wyeth as a modern practitioner. Of course, Chagall is dead (mid 80's sometime?) and Wyeth isn't ? but must be 80-ish Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:57:15 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 80+ Day Video alert! Message-ID: <3BAE84EB.6090701@mars.ark.com> Todd asks: >> I'd like to have a VCR like that too. I wonder if >> they're available in the US? I like European editions >> of certain movies more than the US versions. More >> graphic. I have a multi-system VCR (NTSC/PAL/SECAM) and a multisystem TV as well. I use them to watch (OT content!) flying scenes of the Sopwith Pup and other Shuttleworth Trust aeroplanes. I received two PAL videos for subscribing to FlyPast magazine some years ago. If anyone is really desperate to spend the $$$ required, contact me off-list and I'll give you the model numbers of the electronics. I got mine via a U.S. PX in the Netherlands, but I know a German who bought his PAL "Handicam" in California, so it can be done. If anyone is passing through Vancouver Island, they are welcome to drop by and watch some videos in much higher resolution than NTSC... Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: We now have a Yahoo address as well: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:06:02 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?jim=20Prendergast?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The XY Factor Message-ID: <20010924010602.78386.qmail@web14401.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mark Miller wrote: > Hi all > I saw a very interesting program last night on the > History Channel - THE XY Factor, Sex in WW1. > This is a side of WW1 which I had never heard about > before, and I found it to be VERY informative. > > It would seem that the motto "today we live for > tommorrow we die" was the order of the day in > Europe, and resulted in a dramatic increase in > sexual activity. > Paris and London were singled out as "dens of > debauchery". > > Of particular interest is the contrast between the > relaxed attitude of the European leadership, and the > Puritanical Americans. > A government organisation was set up to police the > morals of American troops (can't remember the name - > but it evoved into the FBI) which closed down all > brothels and dancing halls within a 5 mile radius of > training facilities, and distributed pampletts which > seem to portray woman as the enemy. Pershing was a > big supporter of this attitude despite the fact that > he maintained a mistress in Paris for himself. > It would seem this "just say no" campaign did little > to supress the libidinous urges of Americans and > because any information about "safe sex" was > omitted, resulted in a huge incidence of VD. > > The Germans, on the other hand, had official > brothels which were marked by a red lights for > enlisted men and blue lights for officers. (hence > the term "red light district"?) They even went so > far as to require all enlisted men to be "inspected" > for VD before entry. > This was apperently a very affective system and the > germans suffered little from VD. Although the > officers, who were trusted to police themselves, > were not so lucky. > > Our beloved aviators were desribed as "the party > animals" of WW1 and it seems were particularly > favored by the ladies. I hope they found some > comfort in this, considering the incredibly short > lifespan of a pilot on the western front. > > anyways- > lots of eye opening stuff in this program > check it out if you get the chance > > BTW - I was going to make the subject of this post > "sex in WW1" but figured people would mistake it for > another porn site which slipped under Allan's guard > :-) > > Mark Reminds me of the yarn concerning an Irishman who spent the night in the red light district waiting for the lights to change. Jim P. > > > Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista > Shopping! > http://www.shopping.altavista.com http://travel.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Travel - Got Itchy feet? Get inspired! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:13:54 EDT From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Welcome Message-ID: <115.513df68.28dfe2d2@aol.com> Welcome Martin, from Philadelphia Pennsylvania. This is a great list with some very interesting people on it who model brilliantly. Now what scale did you say you prefer to model in? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..zoom out of here!!!!!!!! Best regards, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:13:58 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The XY Factor Message-ID: Mark; Your comments re the 'morality' of the American High Command reminds me of the scene in "Wings" when the girl next door gets sent home from France for "immoral behaviour" - seems it was regarded as a double standard even then. In terms of STD's, Australian troops had their paybooks marked, were sent home and kept in a stockade until cured. Community standards at the time regarded STD's as a great social stigma and the incidences of STD's amongst Australian troops (who had access to red light brothels as well ) was not discussed for many years. These 'shameful' consequences of 'immoral behaviour' didn't fit the Digger mythology that later developed. Neil E. Mark Miller Sent by: cc: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: [WWI] The XY Factor 23/09/2001 09:56 PM Please respond to wwi Hi all I saw a very interesting program last night on the History Channel - THE XY Factor, Sex in WW1. This is a side of WW1 which I had never heard about before, and I found it to be VERY informative. It would seem that the motto "today we live for tommorrow we die" was the order of the day in Europe, and resulted in a dramatic increase in sexual activity. Paris and London were singled out as "dens of debauchery". Of particular interest is the contrast between the relaxed attitude of the European leadership, and the Puritanical Americans. A government organisation was set up to police the morals of American troops (can't remember the name - but it evoved into the FBI) which closed down all brothels and dancing halls within a 5 mile radius of training facilities, and distributed pampletts which seem to portray woman as the enemy. Pershing was a big supporter of this attitude despite the fact that he maintained a mistress in Paris for himself. It would seem this "just say no" campaign did little to supress the libidinous urges of Americans and because any information about "safe sex" was omitted, resulted in a huge incidence of VD. The Germans, on the other hand, had official brothels which were marked by a red lights for enlisted men and blue lights for officers. (hence the term "red light district"?) They even went so far as to require all enlisted men to be "inspected" for VD before entry. This was apperently a very affective system and the germans suffered little from VD. Although the officers, who were trusted to police themselves, were not so lucky. Our beloved aviators were desribed as "the party animals" of WW1 and it seems were particularly favored by the ladies. I hope they found some comfort in this, considering the incredibly short lifespan of a pilot on the western front. anyways- lots of eye opening stuff in this program check it out if you get the chance BTW - I was going to make the subject of this post "sex in WW1" but figured people would mistake it for another porn site which slipped under Allan's guard :-) Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 03:26:57 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Anatra Anasal Message-ID: <050301c14498$017a6200$0200a8c0@x.pl> Pedro! Make your Anatra Polish! look this: http://www.boris.elknet.pl/av_hist/samoloty/i_ws/an_ds/an_ds.htm Decals for 'red pegasus' are available in Poland - I can send you. One of that airplanes ('red pegasus') was captured in Wilno 19.04.1919. Juliusz Gilewicz - Polish pilot who was forced to command Soviet unit, was secretely cooperating with Polish High Command. During Polish offensive he left in Wilno whole train full of planes in order to suply advancing Polish forces in Polish-Bolshevik war. Later Gilewicz escaped to Polish forces himself, flying Nieuport 24bis, with another plane, Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter, with crew of Frenchman and white-Russian. After 8 days all remaining members of Soviet escadrille followed their commander's example, and escaped to Poles, having destroyed remaining airplanes (which were not airworthy at that time. so they couldn't escape with them). They were 14 Poles, 1 Frenchman, 1 Russian and 1 Georgian, all forced to serve in Soviet forces. Silver Anatra is plane captured firstly by AH forces, and after the armistice taken by Poles. I also have unbuilt cardboard model of IRAS silver Anatra (1/33, Russian one), I can write you details of painting, but very reluctantly, as I want you to make it Polish :-) Write me about that EMHAR model more! Has it really transparent wheels? Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:27:39 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: The XY Factor Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD560@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Neil comments: > In terms of STD's, Australian troops had their paybooks > marked, were sent > home and kept in a stockade until cured. Community standards > at the time > regarded STD's as a great social stigma and the incidences of > STD's amongst > Australian troops (who had access to red light brothels as > well ) was not > discussed for many years. These 'shameful' consequences of 'immoral > behaviour' didn't fit the Digger mythology that later developed. Not to put too fine a point on it, but the "shamefull" consequences had sod all to do with it from a purely military perspective. At a time before the invention of antibiotics STD's could be fatal, and otherwise significantly reduce the efficiency of a soldier (hard to be at your best when even peeing your pants in fear hurts). It was in the best military interest to do whatever it took to reduce the incidence of such diseases by whatever means Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:30:08 -0700 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Nie. 28 cowl slots Message-ID: <3BAE8C9F.F5E35264@earthlink.net> While torturing myself with - er, I mean working on the old Revell warhorse, I noticed when comparing my FMP and P. L. Gray drawings to photos on the various websites that the starboard cooling slots varied somewhat in position and possibly size. Does anyone know whether the cowl was bolted on or held on with some sort of locator pins and metal strap 'round the cowl arrangement? The latter would account for the variation. Incidentally, the kit cowl is thick enough so that it can be reshaped with a bit of work, and the wheels and prop from the Revell Nie. 17 look just right. Sanding the burlap fabric texture isn't nearly as daunting as it might seem, but I would seriously consider cheating with a bit of Mr. Surfacer if it wasn't around $10 a can... FWIW, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:35:14 EDT From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: A sample of American and British phonetic alphabets from the WWI era Message-ID: <73.136fc731.28dfe7d2@aol.com> --part1_73.136fc731.28dfe7d2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FROM: http://www.columbia.edu/~fuat/cuarc/phonetic.html The compiler, Brian Kelk (bck22@bckelk.uklinux.net) will gladly receive new information. Perhaps someone knows the non-English phonetic alphabets of the WWI era. From: bck22@bckelk.uklinux.net (Brian Kelk) Newsgroups: sci.lang Subject: Phonetic alphabets (Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta) (July 2001) Date: 20 Jul 2001 20:55:43 +0100 Message-ID: <9ja2bv$1b3$1@bckelk.uklinux.net>\ Summary: phonetic/spelling alphabets for various languages Keywords: phonetic alphabets Royal Navy 1917:Apples Butter Charlie Duff Edward Freddy George Harry InkJohnnie King London Monkey Nuts Orange Pudding QueenieRobert Sugar Tommy Uncle Vinegar Willie Xerxes Yellow Zebra[Wrens at Bletchley Park: Apple James Kenneth(?) OliverPeter Quagger(??) Unicorn William Xray]U.S. Army 1916:Able Buy Cast Dock Easy Fox George Have Item Jig King LoveMike Nap Opal Pup Quack Rush Sail Tape Unit Vice Watch X-rayYoke ZedBritish 1914, apparently Post Office approvedApple Brother Charlie Dover Eastern Father George HarryIndia Jack King London Mother November October Peter QueenRobert Sugar Thomas Uncle Victoria Wednesday Xmas YellowZebraBritish forces 1904:Ack Beer C D E F G H I J K L Emma N O Pip Q R Esses Toc UVic W X Y Z[The OED has a reference for Beer and Emma dated 1891] GERMAN [earlier than WWII not listed. I have no idea how similar this sample is to any used in WWI German Imperial Service. -s.d.] Second World War alphabet (from a former Web page)Anton Berta Caesar Dora Emil Friedrich Gustav Heinrich IdaJosef Konrad/Kurfurst Ludwig Martha Nordpol Otto PaulaQuelle Richard Siegfried Toni Ulrich Viktor Wilhelm XantippeYpern Zeppelin(B-Bruno and F-Fritz were used in aircraft designations.) --part1_73.136fc731.28dfe7d2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FROM:  http://www.columbia.edu/~fuat/cuarc/phonetic.html
The compiler, Brian Kelk (bck22@bckelk.uklinux.net) will gladly receive new information. Perhaps someone knows the non-English phonetic alphabets of the WWI era.
From: bck22@bckelk.uklinux.net (Brian Kelk)
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Phonetic alphabets (Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta) (July 2001)
Date: 20 Jul 2001 20:55:43 +0100
Message-ID: <9ja2bv$1b3$1@bckelk.uklinux.net>\
Summary: phonetic/spelling alphabets for various languages
Keywords: phonetic alphabets

Royal Navy 1917:Apples Butter Charlie Duff Edward Freddy George Harry InkJohnnie King London Monkey Nuts Orange Pudding QueenieRobert Sugar Tommy Uncle Vinegar Willie Xerxes Yellow Zebra[Wrens at Bletchley Park: Apple James Kenneth(?) OliverPeter Quagger(??) Unicorn William Xray]U.S. Army 1916:Able Buy Cast Dock Easy Fox George Have Item Jig King LoveMike Nap Opal Pup Quack Rush Sail Tape Unit Vice Watch X-rayYoke ZedBritish 1914, apparently Post Office approvedApple Brother Charlie Dover Eastern Father George HarryIndia Jack King London Mother November October Peter QueenRobert Sugar Thomas Uncle Victoria Wednesday Xmas YellowZebraBritish forces 1904:Ack Beer C D E F G H I J K L Emma N O Pip Q R Esses Toc UVic W X Y Z[The OED has a reference for Beer and Emma dated 1891]

GERMAN [earlier than WWII not listed.  I have no idea how similar this sample is to any used in WWI German Imperial Service. -s.d.]
Second World War alphabet (from a former Web page)Anton Berta Caesar Dora Emil Friedrich Gustav Heinrich IdaJosef Konrad/Kurfurst Ludwig Martha Nordpol Otto PaulaQuelle Richard Siegfried Toni Ulrich Viktor Wilhelm XantippeYpern Zeppelin(B-Bruno and F-Fritz were used in aircraft designations.) --part1_73.136fc731.28dfe7d2_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:45:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: 80+ Day Video alert! Message-ID: <20010924014545.69202.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Oh, I get it. You mean videos about Geometry. --- Shane Weier wrote: > Todd, > > > Thanks Shane. By graphic though I mean some > quality > > European horror films that were cut in the US > because > > they were too realistic and violent (ironic isn't > it?) > > such as Vincent Price in The Conqueror Worm (in > > Europe- The Witchfinder General) about the > real-life > > 17th century witch hunter in East Anglia, Matthew > > Hopkins, and the brutality and ignorance of his > times > > (English Civil Wars). Sorry, no OT. > > > > Oh, I wasn't thinking of OT graphic - unless it was > the sort of film related > to the recent thread on the XY issue > > ;-) > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is > confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, > distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are > requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to > the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:50:11 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The XY Factor Message-ID: Not to put too fine a point on it, but the "shamefull" consequences had sod all to do with it from a purely military perspective. To a point true, but the main stockade used in country Victoria (near Korumburra) was described by the late PA Smith* and others as being administered very harshly with the men living in very poor conditions. The common military view at the time was that these men were scrimshankers and deserving of harsh treatment. Later a more benign medically based administration took over and both rates of cure and absconding dropped off. They also lobbied for the marking of paybooks to be stopped but I don't think they were successful in this. I was also as much talking about the civilian point of view and the way the military treated the problem in regard to the Civilian morality of the time, and the after effects of this. At a time before the invention of antibiotics STD's could be fatal, and otherwise significantly reduce the efficiency of a soldier (hard to be at your best when even peeing your pants in fear hurts). It was in the best military interest to do whatever it took to reduce the incidence of such diseases by whatever means. I recall I think that more advanced treatments were at least trialled towards the end of the war with more positive effects. I also don't doubt that STD's reduced the efficiency of the troops unfortunate to have contracted these diseases. *See next post please. Neil E. ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:53:30 EDT From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The XY Factor Message-ID: <42.1ac90cb2.28dfec1a@aol.com> --part1_42.1ac90cb2.28dfec1a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some years ago an American performer released a recording of songs from the W.W.I era, 1914 - 1920. I don't remember it's title or the performer but it is well worth the listen. In one of the songs the lyrics have a pa asking his son when he's going to become a colonel? The lad responds that as a private he has superior access to the opposite sex. The words were something like, "I'd rather have a chicken on my knee than an eagle on my shoulder - Yes that's for me, I'd rather have a chicken on my knee!" in classic Vaudeville style. -Steve di Giacomo In a message dated 9-24-01 4:07:51 AM GTB Daylight Time, jprendergastau2001@yahoo.com.au writes: > Pershing was a > > big supporter of this attitude despite the fact that > > he maintained a mistress in Paris for himself. > > It would seem this "just say no" campaign did little > > to supress the libidinous urges of Americans and > > because any information about "safe sex" was > > omitted, resulted in a huge incidence of VD. > > --part1_42.1ac90cb2.28dfec1a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some years ago an American performer released a recording of songs from the W.W.I era, 1914 - 1920.  I don't remember it's title or the performer but it is well worth the listen.  In one of the songs the lyrics have a pa asking his son when he's going to become a colonel?  The lad responds that as a private he has superior access to the opposite sex.  The words were something like, "I'd rather have a chicken on my knee than an eagle on my shoulder - Yes that's for me, I'd rather have a chicken on my knee!" in classic Vaudeville style.
-Steve di Giacomo

In a message dated 9-24-01 4:07:51 AM GTB Daylight Time, jprendergastau2001@yahoo.com.au writes:


Pershing was a
> big supporter of this attitude despite the fact that
> he maintained a mistress in Paris for himself.
> It would seem this "just say no" campaign did little
> to supress the libidinous urges of Americans and
> because any information about "safe sex" was
> omitted, resulted in a huge incidence of VD.
>


--part1_42.1ac90cb2.28dfec1a_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:00:16 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: VALE Message-ID: Hi All; In relation to my last posting, this is just to acknowledge that Patsy Adam Smith, a great Australian Historian, whose books on the experiences of the Diggers in World War One did a lot to increase the consciousness of Australians of the real sacrifices and contributions of our soldiers, died on Saturday after suffering from a heart condition for some time. She was 73 I think. She will be sadly missed by everyone with an interest in this subject.. Good-bye Patsy, I'm sure you're mates are waiting for you. Neil E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 22:16:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: RC fokker Message-ID: <200109240216.WAA70420@mustang.sr.unh.edu> > Infortunately I put her in a steep dive today and the stabilizer failed. The poor thing couldn't stay aloft with half of the stab flapping in the breeze and she augered in. Gahhhhh! There goes a summer of modeling. Well, if I couldn't handle the loss I should have build it in 1/72 and put it on the shelf. Back to the building board. Sopwith tripe is next up. Thanks for the kind words. At least I got 5 good flights on it before it went crash. Al > Hey Al! > That's a great D.VIII. I have a friend here who's building a 1/8 true scale > RC model and he's thrilled to see your pages. Well done and congrats from > Nestor and me. > BTW, http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/aew/rc/D-VIII/Fokker3.jpg should be posted at > once at the rogues gallery. Even if Bob's legs are prettier ;-) > D. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3741 **********************