WWI Digest 3735 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Last German Victory of WWi by BStett3770@aol.com 2) Re: its frightening... by Shane Weier 3) Re: its frightening... by "Lyle Lamboley" 4) Re: its frightening... by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 5) Re: its frightening... by "Lyle Lamboley" 6) Re: Last German Victory of WWi by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 7) Re: its frightening... by "Lyle Lamboley" 8) Re: its frightening.../again by "Tom Plesha" 9) Re: its frightening.../again by "Michael Kendix" 10) That thing on MS Word and a OT question by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 11) Re: That thing on MS Word and a OT question by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 12) Pegasus DH4 leftovers by Rory Goodwin 13) Josef Veltjen's Jasta 15 Fokker DVII by "Patrick Gilmore" 14) Re: its frightening... by "Gaston Graf" 15) RE: Sigh of relief, prayer of thanks by "Gaston Graf" 16) Re: its frightening... by "Gaston Graf" 17) RE: Solvent alcohols (was Future/Shine Magic/Klear) by David Fleming 18) WWot:This IS Spooky! by =?iso-8859-1?q?jim=20Prendergast?= 19) Re: WWot:This IS Spooky! by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 20) Re: WWot:This IS Spooky! by Crawford Neil 21) RE: Red Nose by Crawford Neil 22) Re: its frightening.../again by "Gaston Graf" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:33:59 EDT From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: Last German Victory of WWi Message-ID: <12c.4d7947b.28dbe4f7@aol.com> Hi Gang One of my customers asked me a question today. What was the last recorded German Victory of W.W.I and what aircraft was the pilot flying Also are there any recorded victories on the Fokker Ev /D8 If anyone has the answer please send to me off list, as I not subscribed to the list at this time my E-mail bstett3770@aol.com Thanks Barry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:39:39 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: its frightening... Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD54D@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Tom > For those of us that do not have MS WORD, could you explain? They translate into (left to right) Jet flying to right Two buildings (actually icons for printed pages - look like vertical towers) Skull and crossbones Star of David Creepy Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:42:51 -0400 From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: Subject: Re: its frightening... Message-ID: <004801c14236$5b574e00$33faaec7@lylelamb> It seems that this shows a jetliner in plan view, followed by what looks like two MS representations of a document, a skull and crossbones, and a Star of David. The document symbol looks like the twin towers of the WTC, if one imagines it. I think someone might have too much time on their hands finding stuff like this! Sorta like playing Led Zeppelin records backwards and hearing demonic stuff ( or was that Alice Cooper...?) Lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Plesha" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 8:33 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: its frightening... > Gaston/Lyle- > For those of us that do not have MS WORD, could you explain? > Later > Tom > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lyle Lamboley" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 8:10 PM > Subject: [WWI] Re: its frightening... > > > > All I can say is...too creepy. > > Lyle > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gaston Graf" > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 8:00 PM > > Subject: [WWI] its frightening... > > > > > > > This is a bit odd: > > > > > > If you have MS Word, type in Q33 NY (the flight number of one of > > > the airplanes that crashed into the WTC). Then, change font size > > > to 26 then change the font to Wingdings. > > > > > > I received the message from a friend, and could not believe it. Try it > and > > > see yourself! > > > > > > Gaston > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:11:01 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: its frightening... Message-ID: <002b01c1423a$4a980e20$236e160a@CSP00> Gaston said: > This is a bit odd: > > If you have MS Word, type in Q33 NY (the flight number of one of > the airplanes that crashed into the WTC). Then, change font size > to 26 then change the font to Wingdings. First of all, it's not odd, but extremely bad tase at best. Second, the flights that crashed into the WTC were United Flight 175 and American Flight 11. None of them should have Q33NY as a flight number. I'm afraid that there are a number of tasteless "jokes" floating in the Internet. I just yesterday fired 2 people over here for distributing in our internal mail system the "Song for America" mail which is even worse... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:49:44 -0400 From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: Subject: Re: its frightening... Message-ID: <006301c14237$50e7fd60$33faaec7@lylelamb> Don't mean to sound flippant, this is a global tragedy. There might not be any coincidence here. Lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gaston Graf" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 8:00 PM Subject: [WWI] its frightening... > This is a bit odd: > > If you have MS Word, type in Q33 NY (the flight number of one of > the airplanes that crashed into the WTC). Then, change font size > to 26 then change the font to Wingdings. > > I received the message from a friend, and could not believe it. Try it and > see yourself! > > Gaston > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:19:19 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Cc: BStett3770@aol.com Subject: Re: Last German Victory of WWi Message-ID: <003701c1423b$72063e40$236e160a@CSP00> Barry asked: > Hi Gang > > One of my customers asked me a question today. > > What was the last recorded German Victory of W.W.I and what aircraft was the > pilot flying > > Also are there any recorded victories on the Fokker Ev /D8 > > If anyone has the answer please send to me off list, as I not subscribed to > the list at this time > > my E-mail bstett3770@aol.com > > Thanks Barry There was a thread on that issue on the Aerodrome forum 2 or 3 months ago. IIRC, Rick Duiven offered a very conclusive answer to that question, which also would be answered by the Grub Street "Jasta WarDiaries" (by, amongst others, the same person). Ask your customer to get a copy of that book, if he's interested in that sort of questions. Second, at least one confirmed kill in a E V by a Lt. Rolff (sp) of Jasta 6 who was also the first E V wing failure casuality a few days after his success. No proven Marine Jasta victories in the parasol, but there are claims of 3 or 4 victories in November 18 with the modified D VIII's (Neckel, amongst other, being frequently named). Sorry for that sketchy info only, but I don't have access to my books at this moment. Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:56:08 -0400 From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: Subject: Re: its frightening... Message-ID: <007001c14238$34dd3a80$33faaec7@lylelamb> Glad to hear it's pure nonsense-- Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:14:10 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: its frightening.../again Message-ID: <001b01c14243$19cb9920$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Would someone, Gaston maybe, let us know how and when this cryptogram? became available. Later Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 8:44 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: its frightening... > It seems that this shows a jetliner in plan view, followed by what looks > like two MS representations of a document, a skull and crossbones, and a > Star of David. The document symbol looks like the twin towers of the WTC, > if one imagines it. > I think someone might have too much time on their hands finding stuff like > this! Sorta like playing Led Zeppelin records backwards and hearing demonic > stuff ( or was that Alice Cooper...?) > Lyle > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Plesha" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 8:33 PM > Subject: [WWI] Re: its frightening... > > > > Gaston/Lyle- > > For those of us that do not have MS WORD, could you explain? > > Later > > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lyle Lamboley" > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 8:10 PM > > Subject: [WWI] Re: its frightening... > > > > > > > All I can say is...too creepy. > > > Lyle > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gaston Graf" > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 8:00 PM > > > Subject: [WWI] its frightening... > > > > > > > > > > This is a bit odd: > > > > > > > > If you have MS Word, type in Q33 NY (the flight number of one of > > > > the airplanes that crashed into the WTC). Then, change font size > > > > to 26 then change the font to Wingdings. > > > > > > > > I received the message from a friend, and could not believe it. Try it > > and > > > > see yourself! > > > > > > > > Gaston > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 02:24:01 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: its frightening.../again Message-ID: Boo!! Come along now folks, just calm down. This is just a tad off topic, is it not? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 00:15:25 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: That thing on MS Word and a OT question Message-ID: <006301c1424b$a9edd100$1342e2c8@computador> Gaston and folks, Instead of "frightening", I'd say "curious". AFAIK, there's a world standard for flight numbers, two letters to designate company (AZ for Alitalia, BA for British Airways, RG for our Varig...) and up to 4 numbers to designate flight number. So, how could Q33NY be a flight number? Well, to bring this message OT: I scanned the pictures of IPMS Campinas Open today, and I'm working on them in my office computer. I hope them to be in my web site after the weekend. Some of them aren't so good, but anyway you can have an idea of what we had in that wonderful contest. Next open contest will be in November, in a city called Rio Claro. There's not a WWI category, but if there are enough kits we can be separated from B***9s and P-*7s. I'll take my Berthold's Fokker D.VII and my Degelow's Pfalz D.IIIa, which is almost ready. Perhaps I finish the Hess's Albatros D.III before the contest, but I'm not in a hurry, you know. And can someone help me with the upper surface of Hess's Albatros wings? The only thing I know is that the first color of upper wing from left to right is maroon (looking at Bob Pearson's profile you can see it). And about the other colors? Is there information about this or should I use Dicta Ira? With best regards from Brazil Marcio Antonio Campos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:45:01 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: That thing on MS Word and a OT question Message-ID: Marcio; Not being familiar with this particular aircraft, but the usual colour for German upper camo used with the topside purple was German Topside Green (to use the Extracolour name for it). I believe there is something about it in the informational files on the WW1 Modelling website. Camo layout was either purple, Green, purple (often seen on DV's), or green purple green (though I think this was more common on DIII's) All the Best Neil E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:54:05 -0700 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Pegasus DH4 leftovers Message-ID: <3BAAB9DD.774C9F29@earthlink.net> If anyone has either the Liberty or RAF 3a cowlings that they will not be using, please contact me off list and maybe we can make a deal. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 23:59:35 -0700 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: Subject: Josef Veltjen's Jasta 15 Fokker DVII Message-ID: <005b01c1426a$f9839000$dc2d0d18@grapid1.mi.home.com> Hello, I am building the DML 1/48 DVII as Veltjen's aircraft, but I only have one small picture for reference and I wondered if there are other pictures of this plane and if anyone on the list could help me with some questions on some details: Is this an early fokker built craft with the exhaust exiting from a hole in the side panel? If so I would assume that the fuselage would not be covered with lozenge fabric and thus the interior should be painted an clear-doped fabric color? Wings should be four or five color loz? Could someone describe the number of vents on the front panels? The Fokker Datafile I have mentions that the struts were painted white "at one stage" and also that the wheels "when this photo was taken" appear to be the standard Fokker factory color - these comments seem to imply that other photos might show different or additional markings - can anyone advise on what changes may have been made? Anyway, thanks in advance for any advice on these markings, Patrick Gilmore ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 07:48:08 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Re: its frightening... Message-ID: Thanks for pointing this out, Volker. I did not remember the correct numbers of the flights or I would not have posted it. Yes you are right, there are a whole lot of very tasteless jokes floating around! I received an email with an attached photo montage of Bin Laden fucking a mule with a stupid grin on his face... I think this is not the time for such crap. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > Second, the flights that crashed into the WTC were United Flight 175 and > American Flight 11. None of them should have Q33NY as a flight number. > > I'm afraid that there are a number of tasteless "jokes" floating in the > Internet. I just yesterday fired 2 people over here for > distributing in our > internal mail system the "Song for America" mail which is even worse... > > Volker > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 07:39:20 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Sigh of relief, prayer of thanks Message-ID: Oh so we are a little more - close to 300 ;o). Fact is that we urgently need MORE but because training takes 27 months and there is a certain mature. And because we are always short on personal my shifts are rather longer than shorter. Some go up to nine hours while others are between 6 and 7 hours. The job is ok, but the working schedule sucks. Gasterix > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Shane > Weier > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:09 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] RE: Sigh of relief, prayer of thanks > > > Gaston > > > Small enough??? Did you say SMALL enough?!?!? Hey you > > obviously don't know > > that on this list we have almost as many members as the > > Grand-Duchy has locomotive engineers! > > 230 ! > > You must work short shifts or not get very many turns driving the > Grand-Duchy's choo-choo ! > > ;-) > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 07:43:55 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Re: its frightening... Message-ID: Sorry that I forgot there are still clean, non MS infected puters in the world ;o). If one types in Q33 NY, resizes the fonts to big size 26 then changes the fonts to WingDings one is getting a silhouette of a commercial aircraft that points to two document icons that resemble the twn towers. The letters NY change to a skull with a jewish star. Not that the Jews did the attacks, but in some way that points to the Middle East... Maybe you can do that with any other text editor as well if you have WingDings installed? It is a standart font that comes with Windows. too creepy, really Gaston > > > Gaston/Lyle- > For those of us that do not have MS WORD, could you explain? > Later > Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:04:45 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Solvent alcohols (was Future/Shine Magic/Klear) Message-ID: <3BAAE68D.F10F5206@dial.pipex.com> Shane Weier wrote: > Dave says: > > > Methylated Spirit is a methanol based mixture (I think methanol with > > water+possibly ethanol) which has a pink dye added to stop > > people drinking it by accident. > > I agree about the colouring - but I think you'll find that the "spirits" in > the description is the ethanol, and the way they "methylate" the spirits is > adding methanol, not water. > > Of course, it may be different in the UK, but Aussie meths (or the bottle in > my house anyway) has the contents listed on the label. > Yeah, you are right - my brain wasn't working yesterday. It's obvious when you think about it. It does smell like Methanol though ! Burns well on my little trangia !! Usd to use it as brush cleaner years ago - ate a lot of brushes !! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 17:17:21 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?jim=20Prendergast?= To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: WWot:This IS Spooky! Message-ID: <20010921071721.35352.qmail@web14401.mail.yahoo.com> Think the Q33 NY one is spooky? Try this one for size! It's been around for a while but still makes you think! CHURCHILL HITLER ROOSEVELT IL DUCE STALIN TOJO WHEN BORN 1874 1889 1882 1883 1887 1884 AGE IN 1944 70 55 62 61 57 60 TOOK OFFICE 1940 1933 1933 1922 1924 1941 YEARS IN OFFICE 4 11 11 22 20 3 TOTALS 3888 3888 3888 3888 3888 3888 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Half of 3888 = 1944: The end of the war with the German-Italian axis. Half of 1944 = 972 = The 9th. month, 7th. day, 2nd. hour: The Italian Armistice was signed at 2pm on Sept. 7th. 1944. Supreme Ruler: = C.H.R.I.S.T. comprising the initials of the above. The above is a group of numbers that are either incredibly flukey in their assembled totals, or - in keeping with those clever minds working out of Blechley Park during the war - a perfectly orchestrated ‘propaganda’ timing of the signing of the Italian Armistice to match in with the uncanny co-incidence of “3888” Cheers Jim P. http://travel.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Travel - Got Itchy feet? Get inspired! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:41:33 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: WWot:This IS Spooky! Message-ID: <010901c14279$382f8940$236e160a@CSP00> Jim, when saying > The above is a group of numbers that are either > incredibly flukey in their assembled totals, or - in > keeping with those clever minds working out of > Blechley Park during the war - a perfectly > orchestrated 'propaganda' timing of the signing of the > Italian Armistice to match in with the uncanny > co-incidence of "3888" I think you were right with the first version. AFAIK, the statement > Half of 3888 = 1944: The end of the war with the > German-Italian axis. > > Half of 1944 = 972 = The 9th. month, 7th. day, 2nd. > hour: The Italian Armistice was signed at 2pm on > Sept. 7th. 1944. is as wrong as the fictional "Q33NY" flight number (BTW, the idea behind seems to come from the registration of the AA flight 11 aircraft - N 334 AA). The war against the "German-Italian axis" either ended on September *3* (signing of the armistice) or *8* (announcing of the armistice) *1943*, whereas Germany unconditionally surrendered in 1945 - 1944 is at best the "average" between the 2. And the 972 connection also seems to be wrong... Volker ! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:46:33 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: WWot:This IS Spooky! Message-ID: Thanks Volker for sorting this out. I think it compares to the sort of thing we all try to do when we get a new code-number one has to remember. You can always find something (a date or a mathematical trick) that can be associated with that number. Also a bit like horoscopes, something always fits. /Neil C. > > The war against the "German-Italian axis" either ended on > September *3* > (signing of the armistice) or *8* (announcing of the > armistice) *1943*, > whereas Germany unconditionally surrendered in 1945 - 1944 is > at best the > "average" between the 2. And the 972 connection also seems to > be wrong... > > Volker > ! > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:58:52 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'Karen Rychlewski'" Cc: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Red Nose Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1427B.A2C7D3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" -----Original Message----- From: Karen Rychlewski [mailto:krychski@earthlink.net] Sent: den 21 september 2001 07:34 To: Crawford Neil Subject: Re: Red Nose Crawford Neil wrote: Hi Karen, Here's that DH1 scan, I saw it was upside down, I hope that doesn't matter. Tell me if it's too big, I don't seem to be able to do small scans. No problem. I have the other scan here at work in an email, but I can't get it to show the attachment, I will just rescan it, put it on a diskett, and send it from here on Monday. I can't send big files from home. I have another pic of a different DH1 with twin Lewis attachments, you probably know that "4609" had 2. I failed to send that one, but will have another go if you want, it's from an "Air Extra" credited to E. Walker. Yes, I'd like to see it. The one you sent is very interesting; I hadn't seen that photo before. The plane appears to have a mounting for a second gun between the cockpits. Yes I think so too. Do you have that little book DH aircraft of WW1 from about 10 years ago, there are two pics of "4609" in that. Yes, I do have that--thanks for mentioning it; I had forgotten about it! The two photos in it may or may not be 4609, but whatever the number, it too has a mounting for a second gun and in the shot of the entire plane, I fancy I can see the second gun installed behind the observer; while in the shot of just the nacelle, the gun is mounted in front of the observer. Maybe they only had one gun... That's quite possible, and there is also the weight aspect, but I'll do mine with 2, aming for a higher "cool factor"! This plane does not appear to me to be the same plane as the photo you emailed; which, if true, would mean that two aircraft had the skull & crossbones. This is interesting, how did you see that? It makes sense, if one crew did something cool why not the others? Maybe (quite likely) the whole squadron was marked like this. In which case one could be red, and another black. According to the article "Skies Over the Holy Land" by Peter Wright in No. 1, 1990, issue of Cross and Cockade, this 14th Squadron had six DH1a craft: 4606, -07, -09, -10, -11, and -12. It's an interesting article but says almost nothing about the career of the DH1a. Would love to know why the plane was given a red nose in the FMP book... Me too, it looks great, but I am more inclined to believe in a black nose. CDL seems like a good guess, but a red nose!!? OTOH why not, it's perfectly possible. I wish we could find out if Juanita was just guessing (for which I have the utmost respect, I do it all the time myself!) or if she knows something we don't. I'm cc-ing this to the list, it's OT , someone else might be interested. Karen ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1427B.A2C7D3A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Karen Rychlewski [mailto:krychski@earthlink.net]
Sent: den 21 september 2001 07:34
To: Crawford Neil
Subject: Re: Red Nose

Crawford Neil wrote:
Hi Karen, Here's that DH1 scan, I saw it was upside down, I hope that doesn't matter.
Tell me if it's too big, I don't seem to be able to do small scans.
No problem.  
 
I have the other scan here at work in an email, but I can't get it to show the attachment,
I will just rescan it, put it on a diskett, and send it from here on Monday. I can't send big
files from home.
 
 

I have another pic of a different DH1 with twin Lewis attachments, you probably
know that "4609" had 2.  I failed to send that one, but will have another go  if you
want, it's from an "Air Extra" credited to E. Walker.
Yes, I'd like to see it. The one you sent is very interesting; I hadn't seen that photo before. The plane appears to have a mounting for a second gun between the cockpits.  
 
Yes I think so too. 
Do you have that little book DH aircraft of WW1 from about 10 years ago, there
are two pics of "4609" in that.
Yes, I do have that--thanks for mentioning it; I had forgotten about it! The two photos in it may or may not be 4609, but whatever the number, it too has a mounting for a second gun and in the shot of the entire plane, I fancy I can see the second gun installed behind the observer; while in the shot of just the nacelle, the gun is mounted in front of the observer. Maybe they only had one gun...  
 
That's quite possible, and there is also the weight aspect, but I'll do mine with 2,  aming for a higher "cool factor"!
 
 
This plane does not appear to me to be the same plane as the photo you emailed; which, if true, would mean that two aircraft had the skull & crossbones.  
 
This is interesting, how did you see that? It makes sense, if one crew did something cool why not the others?
Maybe (quite likely) the whole squadron was marked like this. In which case one could be red, and another black.
 
 
 
According to the article "Skies Over the Holy Land" by Peter Wright in No. 1, 1990, issue of Cross and Cockade, this 14th Squadron had six DH1a craft: 4606, -07, -09, -10, -11, and -12. It's an interesting article but says almost nothing about the career of the DH1a.
Would love to know why the plane was given a red nose in the FMP book... 
 
Me too,  it looks great,  but I am more inclined to believe in a black nose. CDL seems like a good guess,
but a red nose!!? OTOH why not, it's perfectly possible. I wish we could find out if Juanita was just guessing
(for which I have the utmost respect, I do it all the time myself!) or if she knows something we don't.
I'm cc-ing this to the list, it's OT , someone else might be interested. 

Karen

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1427B.A2C7D3A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:37:40 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Re: its frightening.../again Message-ID: I had received it from a workmate - a conductor of our company. He is of Icelandic origins and a very nice guy. Unfortunately he has a sense of humor that I do not always share. I don't know where the message came from because it was not a forwarded message. But I will ask him about it. Gaston > > Would someone, Gaston maybe, let us know how and when this cryptogram? > became available. > Later > Tom ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3735 **********************