WWI Digest 3729 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: The "D" word and Cats by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 2) Re: The "D" word and Cats by "Steven Perry" 3) Re: The "D" word and Cats by "Matt Bittner" 4) Brass/copper paints? by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 5) Re: Brass/copper paints? by "Patrick Gilmore" 6) Re: WWI digest 3728 by "bruce simard" 7) Re: WWI digest 3728 by "David Vosburgh" 8) Re: The "D" word and Cats by Dennis Ugulano 9) Re: The "D" word and Cats by PolTexCW@aol.com 10) Re: Turkish planes and markings ... by Rory Goodwin 11) Hartford IPMS Show by "David Vosburgh" 12) Re: Turkish planes and markings ... by "David Vosburgh" 13) Re: Turkish planes and markings ... by "Ross Moorhouse" 14) Hangars was The "D" word and Cats by "Tom Solinski" 15) Re: The "D" word and Cats by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 16) Re: Hangars was The "D" word and Cats by Todd Hayes 17) Re: Turkish planes and markings ... by Rory Goodwin 18) Re: Turkish planes and markings ... by "Ross Moorhouse" 19) Re: Turkish planes and markings ... by Todd Hayes 20) Re: Handley Page by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 21) Re: OT in South Africa / UK IPMS Nationals by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 22) Simulation, not duplication. by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 23) Advertising blimps? by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 24) RE: UK IPMS Nationals by "Nigel Rayner" 25) WW:re Gaston's views by =?iso-8859-1?q?jim=20Prendergast?= 26) RE: WW:re Gaston's views by "dfernet0" 27) RE: WW:re Gaston's views by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 28) Re: The "D" word and Cats by "dfernet0" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:04:11 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The "D" word and Cats Message-ID: Fernando; I have two cats - Oscar - who is largely indifferent to models apart from always wanting my chair when I get up from the modelling table, and Preston - who is my assistant. Preston has found and rescued a number of small parts from the carpet gnomes - most recent was an Albatros tail skid that fell towards the clutches of the gnomes but was found by Preston who was playing with it after rescue. He is a very helpful assistant indeed. Both cats have learnt some years ago that approaching the tin opener's models leads to an extended spell in disgrace. Neil E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:22:14 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: The "D" word and Cats Message-ID: <00f401c140a9$86f8fd80$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> > Pah. Try a Bassett-Rottweiler mix. Now that would have been worth the price of a ticket to see the mixing. sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 20:26:04 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: The "D" word and Cats Message-ID: <200109190124.SAA06165@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:21:06 -0400 (EDT), Steven Perry wrote: > Now that would have been worth the price of a ticket to see the mixing. We're thinking a box was involved, somehow. :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:37:02 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Brass/copper paints? Message-ID: Hi All; Yesterday I tacked onto the end of a post a question about what brass/copper paints people find best for radiator/water pipes etc. Does anyone have any suggestions as which paints/colours are best for this? Neil E ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:43:13 -0700 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: Subject: Re: Brass/copper paints? Message-ID: <00d101c140c5$97e9c720$dc2d0d18@grapid1.mi.home.com> I find that the old testor's enamel brass and copper paints in the little bottles have always worked the best for me. They tend to take a long time to dry though. Patrick Gilmore ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 6:39 PM Subject: [WWI] Brass/copper paints? > Hi All; > > Yesterday I tacked onto the end of a post a question about what > brass/copper paints people find best for radiator/water pipes etc. Does > anyone have any suggestions as which paints/colours are best for this? > > Neil E > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:53:46 -0400 From: "bruce simard" To: Subject: Re: WWI digest 3728 Message-ID: <005601c140ad$ec14f1c0$ae3aaf3f@22by501> Karen Wrote: "Neil, your and Shane's comments point up why we have "Dicta Ira". We rummage through any information we can find and we plumb the depths of the list knowledge, and at the end of the day when some detail is in doubt we drag Ira in. I build models, I don't make replicas--I just want the finished product to look reasonably accurate. "Reasonably" being the key word:" .. Outstanding, Karen ! The best tip I ever received some 25 years ago, from an excellent modeler in Washington,D.C., is as true today as then. I was driving myself crazy trying to duplicate a 1/72 scale ot cockpit. He watched me suffer for several weeks then told me the art of modeling was in "simulation"....... not "duplication". If one thinks about it, it is extremely true. We are never going to fuel our models, or start the engines. Ours is a static hobby. If you throw the switch on the mag, will the engine start ? So before anyone gets too carried away with true AMS, remember it is a hobby, and enjoy ! Dicta Ira !!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:54:05 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: WWI digest 3728 Message-ID: <001f01c1417f$84550160$ceed19ce@default> Well, this holds true for most of us. RK and Shane of course simply use their transmogrifiers to shrink actual a/c, so in point of fact the mags do work on their "models". DV ----- Original Message ----- From: "bruce simard" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:53 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: WWI digest 3728 > Karen Wrote: > "Neil, your and Shane's comments point up why we have "Dicta Ira". We > rummage through any information we can find and we plumb the depths of the > list knowledge, and at the end of the day when some detail is in doubt we > drag Ira in. I build models, I don't make replicas--I just want the > finished product to look reasonably accurate. "Reasonably" being the key > word:" > . > Outstanding, Karen ! > The best tip I ever received some 25 years ago, from an excellent modeler in > Washington,D.C., is as true today as then. I was driving myself crazy trying > to duplicate a 1/72 scale ot cockpit. He watched me suffer for several weeks > then told me the art of modeling was in "simulation"....... not > "duplication". If one thinks about it, it is extremely true. We are never > going to fuel our models, or start the engines. Ours is a static hobby. If > you throw the switch on the mag, will the engine start ? So before anyone > gets too carried away with true AMS, remember it is a hobby, and enjoy ! > Dicta Ira !!!!!! > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 23:33:24 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: The "D" word and Cats Message-ID: <200109182333_MC3-E03B-ED4B@compuserve.com> Let me join in the cat discussion. I have one cat loving knowing as the Orange Hairball. She is 12 year old throw away that wandered in about that long ago. Her name is Miss Sydney Underfoot because that's where she always is. 11 pounds of cat that takes her half out of the middle. She does not in any way bother my models or the modeling table. I don't know why. She will lay at my feet sometimes but it never goes any further than that. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 9/08/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 23:46:43 EDT From: PolTexCW@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The "D" word and Cats Message-ID: <38.1c2b0c41.28d96f23@aol.com> In a message dated 9/18/1 10:15:27 AM, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << Fernando asked:. > Do all WWI modellers own cats? >> This is becoming ominous. I am a modeler, but not exactly WWI. I have six cats. I had not build any models for some thirty years before I had begun to accumulate cats. After I had acquired the fourth I developed this overwhelming urge to start modelling something. Is it conceivable that THEY are the cause? Numbers 3, 4 and 5 are staring at me as I write this. John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 20:55:57 -0700 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Turkish planes and markings ... Message-ID: <3BA8174D.1D4DBCAE@earthlink.net> Ross, if you haven't seen them already, there was a series of OT articles in Air Enthusiast a few years back entitled "Young Turks", and way back in C&C on the history of the Ottoman Air Force. List member by the name of Mark (last name escapes me) used to be regular fiend for German Pasha units and WWI Turkish Aviation. Ross Moorhouse wrote: > I dont know if these links have been shown here before but I found these > while surfing for info on the Turkish Airforce during WWI. > > http://turkhavakuvvetleri.tripod.com/aircrafts.htm some good photos here > too. > > http://turkhavakuvvetleri.tripod.com/markings.htm > > Both links came from this site http://turkhavakuvvetleri.tripod.com/ > > Cheers > > Ross ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 00:02:07 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: Hartford IPMS Show Message-ID: <00b201c14189$04d864e0$ceed19ce@default> If Dave Calhoun or Chris Cato are still on the list, could you drop me a line off-list in re: the upcoming Wings n' Wheels show? Thanks much. DV ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 00:04:28 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Turkish planes and markings ... Message-ID: <00be01c14189$593ed6e0$ceed19ce@default> We also had Bulent Yylmazer, our man in Turkey, although I don't know if he's still subscribed. He was a great source of info on OT Turkish air ops. DV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rory Goodwin" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:56 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Turkish planes and markings ... > Ross, if you haven't seen them already, there was a series of OT articles in > Air Enthusiast a few years back entitled "Young Turks", and way back in C&C > on the history of the Ottoman Air Force. List member by the name of Mark > (last name escapes me) used to be regular fiend for German Pasha units and > WWI Turkish Aviation. > > Ross Moorhouse wrote: > > > I dont know if these links have been shown here before but I found these > > while surfing for info on the Turkish Airforce during WWI. > > > > http://turkhavakuvvetleri.tripod.com/aircrafts.htm some good photos here > > too. > > > > http://turkhavakuvvetleri.tripod.com/markings.htm > > > > Both links came from this site http://turkhavakuvvetleri.tripod.com/ > > > > Cheers > > > > Ross > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:04:22 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Turkish planes and markings ... Message-ID: <011e01c140c0$2bcc6ac0$0cc4223f@umber> Rory, I haven't seen either. Only came back into the hobby this year. :) So have so much to catch up on. ;) Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rory Goodwin" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 1:56 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Turkish planes and markings ... | Ross, if you haven't seen them already, there was a series of OT articles in | Air Enthusiast a few years back entitled "Young Turks", and way back in C&C | on the history of the Ottoman Air Force. List member by the name of Mark | (last name escapes me) used to be regular fiend for German Pasha units and | WWI Turkish Aviation. | | Ross Moorhouse wrote: | | > I dont know if these links have been shown here before but I found these | > while surfing for info on the Turkish Airforce during WWI. | > | > http://turkhavakuvvetleri.tripod.com/aircrafts.htm some good photos here | > too. | > | > http://turkhavakuvvetleri.tripod.com/markings.htm | > | > Both links came from this site http://turkhavakuvvetleri.tripod.com/ | > | > Cheers | > | > Ross | | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 23:06:40 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Hangars was The "D" word and Cats Message-ID: <001001c140c0$7cc26e20$a6a20d41@Solinski.okcnc1.ok.home.com> I think it's interesting that once every six months we break out in an attack of talking about our pets. Why is that? None of them are OT. Yet the affection we share with them has to be shared with the rest of this list. Odd. And sadly I had to help my widowed neigbor lady take her 10 year old siberian husky to the vet to be put down for kidney failure. Again it's amazing how much affection we show our pets. Back to OT, long time ago I promised everyone on the list a vacuuformed hangar. Well after much procrastination we are 70% closer to living up to that promise. My 16 X 30 inch vacuuform machine is finished, but not tested. The first project are the gondolas for my 13 foot indoor R/C advertiseing blimps. After that we'll have a go at the molds for a some canvas tents. Safe wednesday all Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:07:39 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The "D" word and Cats Message-ID: this is funny, it was just after I got Preston, my second cat, that I got the urge to buy a Revell Fokker DVII and resume modelling....still thinking about that , why couldn't they have influenced me to buy an Eduard? Neil E. PolTexCW@aol. com To: Multiple recipients of list Sent by: wwi@wwi-model cc: s.org Subject: [WWI] Re: The "D" word and Cats 19/09/2001 01:49 PM Please respond to wwi In a message dated 9/18/1 10:15:27 AM, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << Fernando asked:. > Do all WWI modellers own cats? >> This is becoming ominous. I am a modeler, but not exactly WWI. I have six cats. I had not build any models for some thirty years before I had begun to accumulate cats. After I had acquired the fourth I developed this overwhelming urge to start modelling something. Is it conceivable that THEY are the cause? Numbers 3, 4 and 5 are staring at me as I write this. John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:38:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hangars was The "D" word and Cats Message-ID: <20010919043854.62746.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, What scale are the tents going to be in? 1:48, I hope???? Todd --- Tom Solinski wrote: > I think it's interesting that once every six months > we break out in an > attack of talking about our pets. > Why is that? > None of them are OT. > Yet the affection we share with them has to be > shared with the rest of this > list. > Odd. > And sadly I had to help my widowed neigbor lady take > her 10 year old > siberian husky to the vet to be put down for kidney > failure. Again it's > amazing how much affection we show our pets. > > Back to OT, long time ago I promised everyone on the > list a vacuuformed > hangar. Well after much procrastination we are 70% > closer to living up to > that promise. My 16 X 30 inch vacuuform machine is > finished, but not > tested. The first project are the gondolas for my > 13 foot indoor R/C > advertiseing blimps. After that we'll have a go at > the molds for a some > canvas tents. > > Safe wednesday all > > Tom S > > > __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:11:39 -0700 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Turkish planes and markings ... Message-ID: <3BA8290A.B483EEB3@earthlink.net> Post your address. I have accumulated some reference materials that you'll be interested in. Ross Moorhouse wrote: > Rory, > > I haven't seen either. Only came back into the hobby this year. :) So have > so much to catch up on. ;) > > Ross > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rory Goodwin" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 1:56 PM > Subject: [WWI] Re: Turkish planes and markings ... > > | Ross, if you haven't seen them already, there was a series of OT articles > in > | Air Enthusiast a few years back entitled "Young Turks", and way back in > C&C > | on the history of the Ottoman Air Force. List member by the name of Mark > | (last name escapes me) used to be regular fiend for German Pasha units and > | WWI Turkish Aviation. > | > | Ross Moorhouse wrote: > | > | > I dont know if these links have been shown here before but I found these > | > while surfing for info on the Turkish Airforce during WWI. > | > > | > http://turkhavakuvvetleri.tripod.com/aircrafts.htm some good photos > here > | > too. > | > > | > http://turkhavakuvvetleri.tripod.com/markings.htm > | > > | > Both links came from this site http://turkhavakuvvetleri.tripod.com/ > | > > | > Cheers > | > > | > Ross > | > | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:17:33 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Turkish planes and markings ... Message-ID: <000d01c140ca$64fc1ca0$9ff13c3f@umber> rmoorhouse@ozemail.com.au which is the address you meant ??? Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rory Goodwin" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 3:13 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Turkish planes and markings ... | Post your address. I have accumulated some reference materials that you'll be | interested in. | | Ross Moorhouse wrote: | | > Rory, | > | > I haven't seen either. Only came back into the hobby this year. :) So have | > so much to catch up on. ;) | > | > Ross | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "Rory Goodwin" | > To: "Multiple recipients of list" | > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 1:56 PM | > Subject: [WWI] Re: Turkish planes and markings ... | > | > | Ross, if you haven't seen them already, there was a series of OT articles | > in | > | Air Enthusiast a few years back entitled "Young Turks", and way back in | > C&C | > | on the history of the Ottoman Air Force. List member by the name of Mark | > | (last name escapes me) used to be regular fiend for German Pasha units and | > | WWI Turkish Aviation. | > | | > | Ross Moorhouse wrote: | > | | > | > I dont know if these links have been shown here before but I found these | > | > while surfing for info on the Turkish Airforce during WWI. | > | > | > | > http://turkhavakuvvetleri.tripod.com/aircrafts.htm some good photos | > here | > | > too. | > | > | > | > http://turkhavakuvvetleri.tripod.com/markings.htm | > | > | > | > Both links came from this site http://turkhavakuvvetleri.tripod.com/ | > | > | > | > Cheers | > | > | > | > Ross | > | | > | | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:28:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Turkish planes and markings ... Message-ID: <20010919052817.87953.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Ross, Americal Gryphon does Turkinsh national markings including star and crescent insignia. I'm not sure what the sheet number is. Todd --- Ross Moorhouse wrote: > rmoorhouse@ozemail.com.au which is the address you > meant ??? > > Ross > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rory Goodwin" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 3:13 PM > Subject: [WWI] Re: Turkish planes and markings ... > > > | Post your address. I have accumulated some > reference materials that > you'll be > | interested in. > | > | Ross Moorhouse wrote: > | > | > Rory, > | > > | > I haven't seen either. Only came back into the > hobby this year. :) So > have > | > so much to catch up on. ;) > | > > | > Ross > | > > | > ----- Original Message ----- > | > From: "Rory Goodwin" > | > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > | > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 1:56 PM > | > Subject: [WWI] Re: Turkish planes and markings > ... > | > > | > | Ross, if you haven't seen them already, there > was a series of OT > articles > | > in > | > | Air Enthusiast a few years back entitled > "Young Turks", and way back > in > | > C&C > | > | on the history of the Ottoman Air Force. List > member by the name of > Mark > | > | (last name escapes me) used to be regular > fiend for German Pasha units > and > | > | WWI Turkish Aviation. > | > | > | > | Ross Moorhouse wrote: > | > | > | > | > I dont know if these links have been shown > here before but I found > these > | > | > while surfing for info on the Turkish > Airforce during WWI. > | > | > > | > | > > http://turkhavakuvvetleri.tripod.com/aircrafts.htm > some good photos > | > here > | > | > too. > | > | > > | > | > > http://turkhavakuvvetleri.tripod.com/markings.htm > | > | > > | > | > Both links came from this site > http://turkhavakuvvetleri.tripod.com/ > | > | > > | > | > Cheers > | > | > > | > | > Ross > | > | > | > | > | > __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 07:37:13 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Handley Page Message-ID: >You have to wonder what the PC crowd would say about the mid-Sixties >Aurora boxtop for the >D.VII, the close-up of the flamer with the pilot grimacing in his >death agonies whilst the >bizarre yellow Camel (with the red cowl) flies straight & level in >the background. That >had to be one of the weirdest pieces of cover art in modelling >history, nicht wahr? > >DV > I'm ashamed to admit that as a small boy, I loved it. Built the model too, been hooked ever since. How times change. N -- su3264NOSPAM@eclipse.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 07:41:23 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: OT in South Africa / UK IPMS Nationals Message-ID: I am a great fan of the FAA museum, and their new layout really has some great planes, (although not too much WW1). It's a bit of a drag from Telford (where isn't?) but well worth the effort. Hope to meet you at the Nats. Regards, N -- su3264NOSPAM@eclipse.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 07:45:38 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Simulation, not duplication. Message-ID: the art of modeling was in "simulation"....... not >"duplication". Yessss! Does the wood in the cockpit LOOK like ply? Then it's ply, and spending a week researching which KIND of ply is wasting time that could be more profitably spent. (I reserve the right to be wrong...I just have limited time in my life.) N -- su3264NOSPAM@eclipse.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 07:48:37 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Advertising blimps? Message-ID: The first project are the gondolas for my 13 foot indoor R/C >advertiseing blimps. Just something modest to start, then? N -- su3264NOSPAM@eclipse.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:36:39 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: UK IPMS Nationals Message-ID: <000001c140e6$33a9b420$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Knut Erik wrote: >In my next period onshore, I plan to visit England and go to IPMS Modelworld >2001, any other list members from the UK and rest of the world who intend to do the >same? I am likely to be there on Saturday, and will have Friday free to go to a >museum. I'll be there on the Saturday, so would welcome the chance to get together. Last year I was able to meet up with Len Smith and Steve Schofield for a beer, a very enjoyable experience. I'm sure some others will be going, so let's see if we can arrange a list meet. >Can the FAA museum be recommended, the other options are either Shuttleworth >or going to Duxford(which I visited two years ago)? The FAA is recommended by others I know that have visited, although I haven't been there. I think Shuttleworth is amazing, because of the OT content. Duxford is still great, but OT content limited compared to Shuttleworth. Although Shuttleworth may be of less interest in November if there is no flying or anything going on. I know Steve Cox lives near there and knows it well - perhaps he can comment if Shuttleworth is worth a visit on a Friday in November. Cheers, Nigel R (who rejoined the IPMS earlier this year) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:10:50 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?jim=20Prendergast?= To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: WW:re Gaston's views Message-ID: <20010919101050.50724.qmail@web14402.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Gaston, There was a saying - all too true - during the Second World War, "There are NO athiests in foxholes" On a almost similar tack, many years ago it was my pleasure to know a little elderly Prussian who had been a fighter pilot in WW1. His name was Max Lehrner and he had migrated to Sth. Australia in 1925. He claimed to have flown with both Richtofens. He thoroughly disliked Lothar but thought that Manfred was a true gentleman and great officer. He also thought a lot of Goering and indeed made the greatest mistake of his life when he said so while being questioned by Australian Security at the beginning of the war and so spent the next six years in an internment camp! This was a helluva shock to him as by 1939 he had spent many years of his life in Australia and thought himself a "dinkum Aussie". He was a great old bloke with only one serious fault. His years in Aust. had given him a shocking command of the Aussie vocabulary and every time we tried to tape his story, every second word had to be blotted out! His most memorable statement was that "Any fighter pilot who says dat he never landed mit shit in der britchen is a BLOODY liar! Cheers, Jim P. http://travel.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Travel - Got Itchy feet? Get inspired! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 07:24:40 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: WW:re Gaston's views Message-ID: <008701c140f5$4ace8c20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Jim wrote: > His most memorable statement was that "Any fighter > pilot who says dat he never landed mit shit in der > britchen is a BLOODY liar! Hey that's a nice tip for detailing the cockpits! :-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:35:42 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: WW:re Gaston's views Message-ID: Remember: the art of modeling was in "simulation"....... not >"duplication" :) Sorry for lowering the tone. N -- su3264NOSPAM@eclipse.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 07:46:07 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Re: The "D" word and Cats Message-ID: <013b01c140f8$498981a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Looks small, until it has her sharp fangs clutching your throat. She also likes to play with a rubber ball. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gaston Graf To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 6:50 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: The "D" word and Cats > > It's a nasty, ferocious thingie that lives in a pillow in > > the kitchen. > > Very dangerous. > > Is the pillow that huge or is the Dingo that tiny??? > > Gasterix > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3729 **********************