WWI Digest 3727 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Nieuport Cowl Question by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 2) Re: The "D" word and Cats by =?iso-8859-1?q?Fernando=20Cecilio?= 3) Re: Qn about photo in Fighters by "dfernet0" 4) Re: The "D" word and Cats by "Gaston Graf" 5) A/G update by "Matt Bittner" 6) Re: Qn about photo in Fighters by "Gaston Graf" 7) Re: Qn about photo in Fighters by Crawford Neil 8) RE: A/G update by "dfernet0" 9) Re: Qn about photo in Fighters by "dfernet0" 10) RE: New Web Update by "dfernet0" 11) Re: Cats & An Nie questions by David Fleming 12) Re: The "D" word and Cats by Shane Weier 13) Re: The "D" word and Cats by Crawford Neil 14) Re: The "D" word and Cats by Shane Weier 15) Re: The "D" word and Cats by Crawford Neil 16) RE: DH1a, was Lucky me too by Shane Weier 17) Re: The "D" word and Cats by "Mark Shannon" 18) RE: DH1a, was Lucky me too by Crawford Neil 19) Re: Two Questions by "Hans Trauner" 20) Re: The "D" word and Cats by "dfernet0" 21) Re: Qn about photo in Fighters by Sanjeev Hirve 22) Belgian Nieuport by "Muth and Zulick" 23) Re: The "D" word and Cats by Ray Boorman 24) 免费赠送价值4万元的国内最精准的几种股市黑马邮件七天！！ by lnhxdb@online.ln.cn 25) DH-10 - Candice has one to spare by CAUhlir@aol.com 26) Re: Nieuport Cowl Question by "David Layton" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:48:26 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport Cowl Question Message-ID: Peter; Yes I think you're right, I've got similar goo all over my engine 84 years later! On engines I use a combination of dry brushes of G-S soot, G-S Dark iron metalizer, Tamiya metallic grey, and a very light aluminium brushing, and a light final dry brushing of the dark iron - this works well I think. On cowl interior maybe steel colour or metallic grey with dark iron drybrush and then soot wash may produce the sort of colour and (maybe texture) of what my poor sad car engine looks like! Of course, you're right - if you had a stickler of a Chief Mechanic/ LAC then them cowls would've gleamed! Neil E LEONARDPeterL @aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Sent by: wwi@wwi-model cc: s.org Subject: [WWI] Re: Nieuport Cowl Question 18/09/2001 04:36 PM Please respond to wwi My guess is that it depends on how new it is or how diligent the ground crew. Experience with the older type pf two stroke m/c (BSA Bantams etc) is that metal parts quickly become coated in thin a sticky brown film which is difficult to remove if left for more than a few days. With the kind of total loss lubrication common in the WWI rotary the effect must have been similar. Anyhow, for these reasons I paint both engines and the inside of cowlings a dull metalic grey and then add a brown wash. my threepennyworth Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:50:33 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fernando=20Cecilio?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The "D" word and Cats Message-ID: <20010918085033.50462.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> --- Steven Perry wrote: > > > Don't worry Gaston, I didn't abuse the cat, well not > physically anyway. He > may have learned a few new four letter words if he > was paying attention, > then again being a cat, he probably wasn't paying > attention. > sp > Hi Steve ! He *was* paying attention, I'm sure. Just remember this the next time he gets mad at you for something. Do all WWI modellers own cats? Fernando (Who owns two hair shedding Persians with more on the way...) BTW did the H-B D.I info arrive in time to be useful? ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 07:22:42 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Re: Qn about photo in Fighters Message-ID: <007b01c1402b$d9b6ece0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Gasterix wrote: > btw: Actually we have BATS living in our house! -snip- They are under protection > anyway. Also it is quite fun to see them flying around the house at midnight Somehow I got this mental image of Gaston living in Bela Lugosi's castle.... things we see only in central european countries. D. Ahhhhh, children of the night.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:25:51 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Re: The "D" word and Cats Message-ID: > Do all WWI modellers own cats? > I am sure many do! Cats are just wonderful creatures. They also help us a lot to do the tricky detail work on tiny models, especially when they *insist* on taking a nap on ones lap while one works on a model, purring so strongly that your hand is shaking when you hold the tweezers... Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 05:33:02 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: A/G update Message-ID: <200109181031.DAA27923@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net> I updated the on-line catalog to reflect the latest decal sheets from Americal/Gryphon. Unfortunately there was no new pricing sheet, but I would suspect - given the way he has priced them in the past - each sheet would be US$12.50. The URL: http://home.sprintmail.com/~tbittners/AG/index.html Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:31:42 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Re: Qn about photo in Fighters Message-ID: > Ahhhhh, children of the night.... Two of my favorite songs: "Children of the Night" from Iced Earth, dedicated to their fans. Same title but different meaning from DORO who made a nice song about the children living in the streets. Gasterix ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:38:17 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Qn about photo in Fighters Message-ID: So you like Boelke who killed people, but don't like people who killed animals, how about MvR who killed both for fun? /Neil C. Gaston wrote: > "Cool"... didn't anybody tell you that animals love their > life too??? We > just SHARE the same plant! > > No kidding here - I just HATE it when people kill animals > just for fun! > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 07:53:09 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: A/G update Message-ID: <009f01c14030$1b01df80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Speaking of wich, I always meant to ask if the "reversed lozenge for interiors" decals are worth having. I've used some reversed and drybrushed decal bits to represent that, but they doesn't look too good. Anyone has that sheet and can comment on the look of it? TIA D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:33 AM Subject: [WWI] A/G update > I updated the on-line catalog to reflect the latest decal sheets from > Americal/Gryphon. Unfortunately there was no new pricing sheet, but I > would suspect - given the way he has priced them in the past - each > sheet would be US$12.50. The URL: > http://home.sprintmail.com/~tbittners/AG/index.html > > > Matt Bittner > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 07:59:59 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Re: Qn about photo in Fighters Message-ID: <00f301c14031$0ef99f60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> In a war, squirrels carried Lewis guns... :-) D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:40 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Qn about photo in Fighters > So you like Boelke who killed people, but don't like people > who killed animals, how about MvR who killed both for fun? > /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 08:01:37 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: New Web Update Message-ID: <00f801c14031$49bd4340$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> That's a neat job Kenneth! The paint job is superb. Would you take more shoths of the undercarriage? That wheel arrangement looks very unusual! Regards D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan Wright > Kenneth Zelnick sent me some nice photos of his in-progress DH-20. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:30:01 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Cats & An Nie questions Message-ID: <3BA73039.B76AFEB@dial.pipex.com> Fernando Cecilio wrote: > . > Do all WWI modellers own cats? > > Well, I've got two, 4 years and 16 weeks. And three guinea pigs and a rabbit (BTW Rabbits & Guinea pigs do not make good companions) OT, does anyone know what Nie 17 derivatives the RNAS used ? The Datafiles state that they used Nie 17bis and Nie 21 (17B), and the triplane, but I can't find references to 'vanilla' 17s, or later versions. Anyone comment ? Dave F ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 23:05:21 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: The "D" word and Cats Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD526@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Fernando asks: >Do all WWI modellers own cats? Hell no. Nothing personal(and I *do* get on with the occassional moggy that rubs against me) but cats have no proper place in my country. And any that trespass on my workbench would risk being epoxied to it. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 15:11:22 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: The "D" word and Cats Message-ID: I'd suggest CA for that Shane;-) /Neil C. > Hell no. > > Nothing personal(and I *do* get on with the occassional moggy > that rubs > against me) but cats have no proper place in my country. And any that > trespass on my workbench would risk being epoxied to it. > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 23:19:47 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: The "D" word and Cats Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD528@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Neil suggests: >>And any that >>trespass on my workbench would risk being epoxied to it. > > I'd suggest CA for that Shane;-) Fast drying or cat filling? Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 15:26:45 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: The "D" word and Cats Message-ID: VERY fast drying, and don't forget the kicker! /Neil C. (Who actually likes cats, and incidentally ours has behaved fairly well since the Airfix blue-tit incident) > Neil suggests: > > > >>And any that > >>trespass on my workbench would risk being epoxied to it. > > > > I'd suggest CA for that Shane;-) > > Fast drying or cat filling? > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 23:30:15 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: DH1a, was Lucky me too Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD529@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Karen says: >Interestingly, the stated >measurements on Wylam's drawings are exactly the same as the measurements given in >the FMP book--it seems that Wylam's *drawings* are slightly undersized. So it >appears that we had the "definitive" measurements all the time! In this case, at >least, Wylam's drawings are accurate and they provide a wealth of detail information >I've not seen anywhere else. While Wylams drawings vary in accuracy the external arrangement stuff is usually pretty fair - no draftsman is perfect and even the likes of Stair years later and benefitting from recent research don't get everything right every time. However, I *personally* tend to treat the "detail information" (especially interiors) included in Wylams drawings with extreme suspicion. Many of them are absolute fabrications bearing no relationship to reality other than the reasonable guess that they contain the proper number of seats. This is a real pity, since some of them include details for aircraft otherwise undocumented (Makes me twice as suspicious - was Wylam the only one with info and it's never been seen since, or did he just guess as comparison of those where interior photos are available will show?) Not all are fabricated of course - but how to know *which* Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 08:39:17 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: The "D" word and Cats Message-ID: Yes, I serve as household staff for three cats, a 15 year old shorthair female, an 8 year old Maine Coon mix female, and a 2 year old Maine Coon mix male with no discernable brain. The two Maine Coon cats will line up in the hall outside my hobby room waiting for me to come back out, but have learned they will not be welcomed inside. They believe this is an affront to the dignity and basic rights of all cats, but it is only one that they save up and list. (Not being fed the moment they want, as often as they want is another, along with disdain for various things we put in their bowl, even though they liked it before, are others. The main one is us daring to have a life and ceasing petting them in the morning or evening in order to dress or get ready for bed.) The youngster has a deep interest in any model, and does not understand the threat to his person that is made if he just 'looks' at one of them. As one animal trainer says, "You call a dog and it comes, you call a cat and it takes a message and gets back to you later." .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 15:42:55 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: DH1a, was Lucky me too Message-ID: It makes you wonder why Wylam chose to draw a DH1 anyway? It was nowhere near as well known as the Fe2, maybe he was like me and just liked DeHavillands. The same applies to the artist in the FMP book, does he have any new information that makes him believe "4609" had a red nose, or is he just guessing like the rest of us? I'd love to ask him, anyone know who he is? No criticism of his choice, it makes a much more attractive profile, I'd have done the same if I'd been creative enough to think of it! /Neil C. Words of wisdom from Shane: > > While Wylams drawings vary in accuracy the external > arrangement stuff is > usually pretty fair - no draftsman is perfect and even the > likes of Stair > years later and benefitting from recent research don't get > everything right > every time. > > However, I *personally* tend to treat the "detail > information" (especially > interiors) included in Wylams drawings with extreme > suspicion. Many of them > are absolute fabrications bearing no relationship to reality > other than the > reasonable guess that they contain the proper number of > seats. This is a > real pity, since some of them include details for aircraft otherwise > undocumented (Makes me twice as suspicious - was Wylam the > only one with > info and it's never been seen since, or did he just guess as > comparison of > those where interior photos are available will show?) > > Not all are fabricated of course - but how to know *which* > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:12:18 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Two Questions Message-ID: <004601c1404b$ed4dac60$33a272d4@FRITZweb> Lance, I can't give you an US adress, but try it at http://www.christian-schmidt.com/ He should be able to help you. Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Krieg" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:39 PM Subject: [WWI] Two Questions > Before I go, can someone help in tracking down some German publications? > > "Fleugzeug" the magazine is gone but their books are still available, ja? Where does one get information on their Dr.I and Albatross D.II profiles? Price, postage, etc. > > Second, I recall a book on the history of Jasta 32b, recently published. Where does one find how to buy this? > > TIA > > Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 07:20:23 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Re: The "D" word and Cats Message-ID: <006b01c1402b$8715aa80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Fernando asked:. > Do all WWI modellers own cats? Seems like a trend. Famous modelers with cats are Bob P. and Chris BR. I have a dog, sort of a mix of a dingo with wyl e. coyote. Also sheds hair all over. It's a nasty, ferocious thingie that lives in a pillow in the kitchen. Very dangerous. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 10:39:49 -0400 From: Sanjeev Hirve To: "Wwi-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Qn about photo in Fighters Message-ID: <5F935CCBFB73D511BA2000B0D079E11E01C5BF@cyberexch01.internal.evincible.com> Dave Vosburgh wrote: >>>> Veering back on topic for a moment, I seem to recall the .22 pump as using the short cartridge, not LR, which would explain the short ejection port. >>>> Dave, The size of the ejection port is a very, very rough estimate. In the photo its length is roughly the same as the distance between the man's knuckles. Depending on the size of the man or his hand, there can easily be an error of 25%, so that by itself probably cannot give a clue to the actual calibre (LR vs short). regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:03:32 -0400 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Belgian Nieuport Message-ID: <002901c14053$160d05e0$0100005a@ptd.net> Well, I am back after somehow getting unsubbed a week ago. Anyway, if anyone sent me e-mail and I didn't reply, please send again off list. I still am looking for info on the underneath of the Belgian N.11 I just started: CDL? Light Blue? Silver? I'm looking for suggestions. tia Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 07:57:29 -0700 From: Ray Boorman To: Subject: Re: The "D" word and Cats Message-ID: <20010918150216.PPID1975.priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray> D, Every modeler should have a cat. They are so useful. They keep Fokkers at bay for one thing as well as destroying Lozenge decals. There best points though are Cat Gut. The best rigging material stretchy fine comes in 004 and 006. Cats Whiskers, great for whip antennas, fuel pipes etc. If you have a calico cat, well take a look at Napoleonic French Infantry packs. Its an exact match for colour.... By the way Gaston and others the above was and example of poor English black humour, before you try to tar and feather me.. oopps feathers, birds now I wonder if there are any uses for Parrot Feathers........ Ray On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 10:14:46 -0400 (EDT), dfernet0 wrote: >Fernando asked:. >> Do all WWI modellers own cats? > >Seems like a trend. Famous modelers with cats are Bob P. and Chris >BR. I >have a dog, sort of a mix of a dingo with wyl e. coyote. Also sheds >hair all >over. It's a nasty, ferocious thingie that lives in a pillow in the >kitchen. >Very dangerous. >D. > > ------------------------------ Date: 01-9-18 From: lnhxdb@online.ln.cn Subject: 免费赠送价值4万元的国内最精准的几种股市黑马邮件七天！！ Message-ID: <200109181608.MAA32805@mustang.sr.unh.edu> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:20:55 EDT From: CAUhlir@aol.com To: Subject: DH-10 - Candice has one to spare Message-ID: I don't know who wanted this beastie, but I have both the Aurora and the K&B kit. I am willing to part with one of them given the huge backlog I have stockpiled.' Let me know. Candice ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:29:17 -0500 From: "David Layton" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport Cowl Question Message-ID: <008801c1405f$107a3600$c767d918@DavidLayton> I guess the only reference available would be the Ni. 23 in Belgium. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 8:55 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Nieuport Cowl Question > "What color was the INSIDE of the Ni.17 cowl? Was it left natural > aluminum = > or was it painted?" > > We may never know for sure :-) but I always paint mine "natural" > aluminum. > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3727 **********************