WWI Digest 3719 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Night-camouflage by "dfernet0" 2) RE: Tape residue, was Bristol Scout Question by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 3) RE: DH2 datafile for DH1? by Crawford Neil 4) RE: DH2 datafile for DH1? by "dfernet0" 5) Re: DH2 datafile for DH1? by "Michael Kendix" 6) Re: DH2 datafile for DH1? by Crawford Neil 7) Gavia Bristol Scout by "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" 8) Re: Back to OT by "Lance Krieg" 9) Finally returning by Matt Bittner 10) Appropriate OT music by "Steven Perry" 11) RE: In the Mail Today; was Back to OT by "Graham Hunter" 12) Ebay request by David Fleming 13) Re: Appropriate OT music by David Fleming 14) RE: Back to OT by "Fr. Craig Gavin" 15) Degelow Pfalz by "Patrick Gilmore" 16) Decal Request by "Patrick Gilmore" 17) Re: Degelow Pfalz by "Hans Trauner" 18) Re: Kits to trade by "Harris, Mack" 19) Re: Decal Request by "Lance Krieg" 20) What's going on? I have received two weeks old mails again by "Hans Trauner" 21) Re: What's going on? I have received two weeks old mails by "tsollers" 22) Re: Gavia Bristol Scout by Todd Hayes 23) Re: What's going on? I have received two weeks old mails by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 24) WW-1 AERO MAG? by JVT7532@aol.com 25) Re: What's going on? I have received two weeks old mails by "Hans Trauner" 26) Re: Fwd: [tcah] How Columbus must have felt.... by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 27) Re: WW-1 AERO MAG? by "Lance Krieg" 28) Re: What's going on? I have received two weeks old mails again by "Richard Eaton" 29) Re: Degelow Pfalz by "James Fahey" 30) Re: Degelow Pfalz by "Hans Trauner" 31) Re: I took the plunge today ... by "Ross Moorhouse" 32) Unsubbing by John_Impenna@hyperion.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 07:56:54 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Night-camouflage Message-ID: <026d01c13d0b$f784e1a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Fernando! > Since we already > know the general colours, we would find the pattern > and use of Dicta Ira would produce the model... > Funny ain't it? Each day, something new... That's the nicest thing about this darned list, IMHO D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:55:43 +0200 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: Tape residue, was Bristol Scout Question Message-ID: > and > ended up with a lot of tape residue so now trying to figure out how to > remove the tape glue from Mr. Kits paint I preffer simple method: tack, pull, tack, pull, tack, pull... It usually works, given the paint is durable. Tomasz --------------------------------------------------- http://POCZTA.interia.pl/ - sa powody by korzystac! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:57:29 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: DH2 datafile for DH1? Message-ID: The DH3 was a sort of predecessor of the DH10, the others were only projects I think. Good idea about the Fe2, I have that datafile, I will do something generic if nothing better turns up. /Neil C. Ps. I think I did copy that FSM article, and it was a good model, anyone know who built it? > Neil! > As I sent my last message I think that I recalled a "cockpit" > article on the > early DH designs on an index of Ww1 Aero. Perhaps some of the > listees have > one of these handy so you can locate the exact quote. I > haven't seen the > mag, just the index, and probably the article may be a > generic description > of the pusher series equipment, comprising DH1, DH1A and DH2. > Anyway, I > would model the rear cockpit much in the fashion of the DH2 control > arrangement and borrowing some details of the furniture of > the FE2 series to > add realism. > Speaking of that... was there a DH3 ever? Never seen a > picture of it.And > DH7s and DH8s? Just prototypes? > D. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:11:45 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: DH2 datafile for DH1? Message-ID: <02b201c13d0e$0a2c5ac0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil! The Vickers GunBus arrangement also can be an useful source of inspiration as well. D. Thanks about the DH3 description ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 7:59 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: DH2 datafile for DH1? > The DH3 was a sort of predecessor of the DH10, the others were > only projects I think. Good idea about the Fe2, I have that datafile, > I will do something generic if nothing better turns up. > /Neil C. > Ps. I think I did copy that FSM article, and it was a good model, > anyone know who built it? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:14:50 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: DH2 datafile for DH1? Message-ID: >From: Crawford Neil >I'm gathering references for the DH1A that I might >build after the Spad&Tabloid. I was thinking of getting >the DH2 datafile, is any of it applicable to the DH1? >Things like cockpit interior, rigging and similar details >might be useful. What does the list think? I've already >done a DH2 so I don't need it for DH2 references, I won't >be building another one of them. > >I have the Squadron/Signal book, unfortunately the DH1 part >of that wasn't very useful. Neil: Rosemont has the new DH1 through DH4 and DH5 through DH15(?)! See http://www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby/fmp71701.htm I don't know how much of each aeroplane these books contain. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:54:31 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: DH2 datafile for DH1? Message-ID: Yes, I clean forgot that, the new FMP book. advert: " The first volume in this series contains the first truly good information on the DH1 and DH1A ever to be published. With detailed drawings and lavish color art, including the first drawings of the DH3 " I obviously must get my sweaty hands on this little beauty:-) Thanks Michael /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:23:44 -0500 From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: "wwi-faq" Subject: Gavia Bristol Scout Message-ID: <005401c13d20$7d3a38e0$1232b9cc@unionrai> Have you checked the kit against the DF plans? If so, how does it compare? Todd It appears Gavia (or Eduard) used the general arrangements drawings from the Datafile to design the kit - everything is right on or very close to the drawings. The profile of the fuselage in the GA is a 'D' type and the kit is a 'C' version so there are some differences in the deck behind the cockit on the kit vs the DF. The 'C' had the deck constructed with a raised curve coming down to meet the turtle-back vs this area on the and the D was flat. It's nice to see they did the the research to know the C was slightly different than the D and modeled the kit correctly. I looked both on Google and Gavia's box and instructions and no web site or email address for Gavia is this a subsidary of Eduard or do they contract with Eduard to manufacture their line of kits? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 09:57:37 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Back to OT Message-ID: Steve struggles with decal fracture: I'll predict that it you don't sand down the offending spot, you'll regret it. This gloomy assessment is based on experience. Sand the smallest circular patch you can get by with, masking off the good parts. Then repaint/redecal that color area, and Future and apply new decals over the old. YMMV, of course. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:03:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Finally returning Message-ID: <20010914150320.77755.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> I was finally able to secure ways to return to Omaha. Yesterday I was able to reserve a one-way rental car, and late last night I was able to change my flight reservations. I'm still torn on which way to come back. I know I must not give in to terrorism, but I am fearful of flying to begin with. :-) Still, driving fourteen hours is not my idea of fun. I am definitely looking forward to getting back into the modeling. That SPAD has been crying my name for days, now, and hopefully I'll get back into it with zeal. FWIW, if I haven't mentioned it before, my father is home, and doing as well as can be expected. It's only a matter of time, but he wanted to be home and comfortable, and that's the most important thing. :`-( This week has played he77 on my emotions... Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:43:35 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Appropriate OT music Message-ID: <000b01c13d34$05823e60$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> Check out: http://www.kyseeker.com/christian/war.html You can download a player and hear the music. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:52:13 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: In the Mail Today; was Back to OT Message-ID: <000501c13d35$3a1c9fc0$fa0101c0@grahamh> Received my order from Sopwith today. Tom's Model Works Nieuport 24, 24bis, 27 conversion kit for the Eduard N.17 kit. Planning on doing RFC N.27 as flown by Canadian Rogers when he downed a Gotha III over France. Also received the Air Britain book RNAS Aircraft Serials and Units '11 to '19. Looks like a great reference book. Graham H. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:22:28 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Ebay request Message-ID: <3BA220B3.538804E5@dial.pipex.com> Ladles and Jellyspoons, I'm bidding on Ebay Uk on Phoenix Be2A, name davef68. Usual request of anyone is thinking of bidding, or wants it really bad, contact me OL. OT vacs have been going for silly money on UK recently (One bidder in particular seems determined to get them - there's a Joystick twosome that is currently almost retail, and I now Steve was outbid on the FBA and Caudron - a redaxe of the vac world !!) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:52:15 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Appropriate OT music Message-ID: <3BA227AF.64E42853@dial.pipex.com> Steven Perry wrote: > Check out: > http://www.kyseeker.com/christian/war.html > > You can download a player and hear the music. > sp My grandfather taught me a lot of the songs of WW1 as a small boy (I was 6, he was in his 80s) including the risqué lines, to his great amusement and my mum's horror. "It's a long way to Tipperary......" dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:12:49 -0500 From: "Fr. Craig Gavin" To: Subject: RE: Back to OT Message-ID: Surfacing long enough before our National Day of Prayer Service to offer: I've had good success using scotch tape to lift ruined decals off. Re-apply Future, and then add the new decal. It's worked for me. - Craig Gavin + > From: Crawford Neil > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:14:33 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] RE: Back to OT > > Slap on a new decal is about all you can do, mending is pretty > hopeless. I have good experience of adding more decals on top. > When I made my biggest (yet) modelling boob, by putting the US > decals on upside down, I repaired by adding two more decals on > top, one was not enough, the upside down star still showed through. > But adding new decals on top worked well. > /Neil C. > >> >> Steve wrote: >>> It was here that one decal cracked. Usually a cracked decal can be >> adjusted >>> just so and dry invisible, but this one flakes off a tiny >> piece of white, >>> quarter of a pin head in size. >>> Now do I just slap the new decal over the old? Removing the >> old decal is >> not >>> an option on this finish. >> > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:11:01 -0700 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: Subject: Degelow Pfalz Message-ID: <005c01c13d50$fea9bf60$dc2d0d18@grapid1.mi.home.com> Forgive me if this has been asked before, but the search function at the WW1 list page does not seem to work for me when seaching the archives: I have the Eduard 1/48 Pfalz DIIIa (Early Version) with decals for the black fuselage/silver stag markings of Degelow. Are these markings accurate for this aircraft? I have never seen a photo of it so I have nothing to compare it to. Thanks Patrick Gilmore ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:15:56 -0700 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: Subject: Decal Request Message-ID: <006001c13d51$ae3d9000$dc2d0d18@grapid1.mi.home.com> I have been looking for 1/48 Fokker DVII decals for both Veltgen's arrow-head marked craft and von Hantelman's well known skull/crossbones. I believe the former was done on a Superscale sheet and the latter on an Aeromaster but both are long out of production and I have not been able to find them. I would of course be willing to pay or trade for the decals listed above. Thanks, Patrick Gilmore ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:39:34 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Degelow Pfalz Message-ID: <007901c13d3b$d62b20c0$efab72d4@FRITZweb> Patrick, the Degelow Pfalz is based on a single photo which shows the plane crashed, laying on his back. The fuselage is black, definitive. The stag is there where Eduard showed it also. Degelow himself wrote of a 'white stag' and he wrote of a 'silver stag'. So, take your choice. The real problem is the rest of that plane. It is not clear if the photo was taken when Degelow still belongs to Jasta 7 or already at Jasta 40. It is completely unclear which sort of Kreuze this machine is wearing. If Jasta 7, due to the date, it should be Eiserne Kreuze, if Jasta 40 they should be Balkenkreuze. The fin and rudder are crashed, you can't see it. There was some discussion on this list if the plane was painted completely black. The photo reveals not too much, but struts and underside of lower wings are pretty dark. I would opt for black over all. The problem with the Eduard Kit 'Early Version' is that there is only one true photo of such a machine. It's Gfr. Hitschler's plane in Jasta-18-outfit with five white stripes behind the cockpit. This plane was taken over by Ltn. Buttlar who overpainted the stripes with some sort of a hunting horn. Bob P. has made great drawings of both in the book 'Pfalz Aircraft of World War I'. I, for myself, opted for Marwitz' machine because I think a Pfalz has to be silver. Marwitz' Pfalz' military registration number is low enough to be a 'Early version' Hans ( With thanks to Volker who did all the research work! All my wisdom written here is from him...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:37:30 -0500 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Kits to trade Message-ID: Sorry, Craig, someone else was before you. Thanks Mack -----Original Message----- From: Fr. Craig Gavin [mailto:cgavin@ipa.net] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Kits to trade Mack - I'd really like to have that Ragwings Pfalz, but I have nothing to trade for in 1/48th. Any chance you'd sell it? I've seen them on eBay go for around $25.00. LMK - Craig + > From: "Harris, Mack" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:29:16 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Kits to trade > > I have two kits I would like to trade if anyone's interested. The first is > the Ragwings Pfalz E1, resin kit with metal engine, gun, prop, UC (not > wheels) and the kingpost. Nice decals, a few air bubbles. I've cut most of > the resin pieces from their pour plugs. Nice decals. > The other kit is a Merlin Models double kit but only the Morane A.1 is > included. This kit, which I bought from Matt Bittner, is started, mostly > just rib detail sanded off the wing. It is a plastic, limited run kit with > metal parts, coil, engine, prop, seat, tail skid. There is some references > with this kit. > These are both 1/72 scale and I just can't work with small stuff very well > anymore. I had my eyes fixed about a year ago and up close stuff just gets > harder and harder. > So anyone interested in getting rid of their 1/48 kits, vacs too, let me > know what you have and we'll talk. > Off list please. > Mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:12:30 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Decal Request Message-ID: Patick wants: "...1/48 Fokker DVII decals for both Veltgen's arrow-head marked craft and von Hantelman's well known skull/crossbones." Both of these aircraft are on Americal sheet 140 in this scale. HTH Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:19:45 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: What's going on? I have received two weeks old mails again Message-ID: <007701c13d49$d5089160$fe78a8c0@FRITZweb> Listees, can anyone explain this? I have just got around 40 mails again. Some of them date back to Aug. 31th, some are just one day old. What's that? Hans ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:36:51 -0400 From: "tsollers" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: What's going on? I have received two weeks old mails Message-ID: <200109141837.f8EIasD20112@mail.bcpl.net> Affirmative. I just received a slew of old messages too. Any ideas? Tom ---------- >From: "Hans Trauner" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] What's going on? I have received two weeks old mails again >Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001, 2:23 PM > > Listees, > can anyone explain this? I have just got around 40 mails again. Some of them > date back to Aug. 31th, some are just one day old. What's that? > > Hans > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:41:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Gavia Bristol Scout Message-ID: <20010914184119.9258.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> I believe Eduard does all the PR work for Gavia. Maybe an e-mail message to Eduard will work. --- Charlie and Linda Duckworth wrote: > Have you checked the kit against the DF plans? If > so, how does it compare? > Todd > > It appears Gavia (or Eduard) used the general > arrangements drawings from the > Datafile to design the kit - everything is right on > or very close to the > drawings. The profile of the fuselage in the GA is a > 'D' type and the kit is > a 'C' version so there are some differences in the > deck behind the cockit on > the kit vs the DF. The 'C' had the deck constructed > with a raised curve > coming down to meet the turtle-back vs this area on > the and the D was flat. > It's nice to see they did the the research to know > the C was slightly > different than the D and modeled the kit correctly. > I looked both on Google > and Gavia's box and instructions and no web site or > email address for Gavia > is this a subsidary of Eduard or do they contract > with Eduard to manufacture > their line of kits? > > > > __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:37:45 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: What's going on? I have received two weeks old mails Message-ID: >Listees, >can anyone explain this? I have just got around 40 mails again. Some of them >date back to Aug. 31th, some are just one day old. What's that? > >Hans Evidently delivered via the British Royal Mail?................... N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:05:35 EDT From: JVT7532@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: WW-1 AERO MAG? Message-ID: <150.f5aad3.28d3aeff@aol.com> Anyone know the phone number for WW-1 AERO magazine? I called the number in a 1990 copy and it's disconnected. Is it still available? Best regards, Jon Jon V. Theisen 7532 Lawndale Ave. Phila., PA 19111-2706 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:15:28 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: What's going on? I have received two weeks old mails Message-ID: <000f01c13d51$9d71a2c0$07ac72d4@FRITZweb> > >Hans > Evidently delivered via the British Royal Mail?................... > N Nigel, I would never say anything against an age old venerable institution! And if they are guilty why did they not deliver some Datafiles twice? Hans ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:50:54 EDT From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fwd: [tcah] How Columbus must have felt.... Message-ID: --part1_bd.14001f8f.28d3b99e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have forwarded this but have renamed it Alone in the Sky . . . Not Quite. --part1_bd.14001f8f.28d3b99e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have forwarded this but have renamed it Alone in the Sky . . . Not Quite. --part1_bd.14001f8f.28d3b99e_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:44:18 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: WW-1 AERO MAG? Message-ID: http://www.ww1aeroplanesinc.org/docs/home.htm The phone number is on the home page. This has been, over the years, about the best magazine for modelers. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:22:45 -0500 From: "Richard Eaton" To: Subject: Re: What's going on? I have received two weeks old mails again Message-ID: <018301c13d52$a3868800$09191b18@austin.rr.com> Hi Guys, I have not seen these old messages yet. Alan said that the list server had an operating system upgrade yesterday before he went on vacation. This can cause this type of thing. The problem usually goes away after a bit of time Regards, Richard .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Trauner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:23 PM Subject: [WWI] What's going on? I have received two weeks old mails again > Listees, > can anyone explain this? I have just got around 40 mails again. Some of them > date back to Aug. 31th, some are just one day old. What's that? > > Hans > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 09:22:32 +1200 From: "James Fahey" To: Subject: Re: Degelow Pfalz Message-ID: <000801c13d63$5e788d60$e1cba7cb@computer> Patrick In Kilduff's translation of Degelow's memoirs on p177 Degelow says: "My airplane was, of course, decorated with my 'white stag' insignia, the body of the animal glistening in silver and the antlers glimmering in gold." This comment applied to the closing stages of the war on about 10 October 1918 when Degelow was flying a Fokker DVII so it is possible (but probably unlikely?) that the stag was painted a different colour when appearing on the Pfalz. On page 131 Degelow says his leaping stag insignia was borrowed from the well-known Dresden inn 'Der weisse Hirsh' (the white stag). Cheers James Fahey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:14 AM Subject: [WWI] Degelow Pfalz > Forgive me if this has been asked before, but the search function at the WW1 > list page does not seem to work for me when seaching the archives: > > I have the Eduard 1/48 Pfalz DIIIa (Early Version) with decals for the black > fuselage/silver stag markings of Degelow. Are these markings accurate for > this aircraft? I have never seen a photo of it so I have nothing to compare > it to. > > Thanks > Patrick Gilmore > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:08:04 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Degelow Pfalz Message-ID: <000d01c13d69$baa63640$88ab72d4@FRITZweb> James wrote: > In Kilduff's translation of Degelow's memoirs on p177 Degelow says: > > "My airplane was, of course, decorated with my 'white stag' insignia, the > body of the animal glistening in silver and the antlers glimmering in gold." > .... > On page 131 Degelow says his leaping stag insignia was borrowed from the > well-known Dresden inn 'Der weisse Hirsh' (the white stag). > Cheers > James Fahey Der weisse Hirsch is not an inn, but (still) the name of a complete part of the town. This part of the town was a well known 'leisure centre' including Biergarten etc. And there was a sanatory, also called after this location. See http://www.dresden-weisser-hirsch.de ( no english version, sorry) Concerning white or silver: The 'White Stag' is some sort of 'coat-of-arms'. According to the heraldic rules, silver is traditionally shown in white, as gold is shown yellow. So there would be some logic in it to show it sometimes white, sometimes silver. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 08:23:46 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: I took the plunge today ... Message-ID: <001a01c13d6b$ecf72760$c7f33c3f@umber> Fernando, So that's what all that plastic in the box is for. ;^) Man I used to throw them away... hehehe.... Anyway I found these 2 reviews on the kit and it does look so good. http://m2reviews.cnsi.net/reviews/ww1/cleaverroland.htm http://m2reviews.cnsi.net/reviews/ww1/laskodirolandc2.htm Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Cecilio" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:22 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: I took the plunge today ... | --- Ross Moorhouse wrote: | > I ordered the Eduard 1/48 Roland C.11 today. What | > can I expect from this | > kit? Is it an easy build? | > | > Cheers | > | > Ross | > | Hi Ross! | You can expect a reasonable number of small plastic | parts stuck to a sprue skeleton. We are supposed to | cut them out... | Sorry, some neuro-transmiters just went astray.... | You got a wonderfull kit: I have the Profi version and | its gorgeous. I haven't started building it yet but | the dry run doesn't show any problems and it does look | just like a Roland. | There''s a photo in the Datafile of a funny-guy type | of crew posing on the ground and watering the | flowerpots hung in the windows. Boy, what a vignette! | Congratulations on you purchase! | I only hope you're not like me and actually build the | models you buy... | Fernando | | ____________________________________________________________ | Do You Yahoo!? | Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk | or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:13:11 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Unsubbing Message-ID: Hi Folks, After reading the list several times over the last few days, for what I hoped would turn out to be a pleasant diversion from all of what has been going on here, less than 50 miles from where I LIVE, I have been quite surprised by the callousness of some of the posts and the outright stupidity of others. I make no apologies... What has gone on the last several days should be an OT event for ALL of us, especially given our supposed enlightened knowledge of military history and what could happen in the coming weeks...I AM NOT SEEKING SYMPATHY, at all. I just didn't expect what did happen and is still occurring. This is no time folks, to make like ostriches and bury your heads in the sand, or in this case, styrene, and pretend that all is normal. Get a little context in your life and frankly, some of you need to get out of the workroom a little more....Since my wife and I have had to change our vacation plans for next week, I will be away and that will explain the delay in responding to any emails anyone may send to me. So, as some of the "friends" on this list have suggested, I am taking this OFFLIST and unsubscribing. Take care. Regards, John ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3719 **********************