WWI Digest 3714 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) varnishes must be highly diluted was RE: Re: Future/Kleer/Shine Magic by "Gaston Graf" 2) RE: List action was Re: The losses start being accounted for by "Gaston Graf" 3) Re: Future/Kleer/Shine Magic by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 4) Re: Future/Kleer/Shine Magic by David Fleming 5) RE: An apology by "Gaston Graf" 6) Re: varnishes must be highly diluted was RE: Re: by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 7) Re: Future/Kleer/Shine Magic by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 8) personal speculations was RE: Re: Poison Gas by "Gaston Graf" 9) RE: Return of the Conquering Hero by "Gaston Graf" 10) Re: Poison Gas by "ibs4421" 11) a notice about solidarity by "Gaston Graf" 12) Miserable Europeans...it was TRIBUTE by =?iso-8859-1?q?Fernando=20Cecilio?= 13) Re: Off topic discussion by =?iso-8859-1?q?Fernando=20Cecilio?= 14) Re: Shine Magic by "Ross Moorhouse" 15) Re: Miserable Europeans...it was TRIBUTE by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 16) Re: Poison Gas by Mark Miller 17) Quick observation by Tim Linnell 18) RE: Quick observation by "dfernet0" 19) Re: Shine Magic by "dfernet0" 20) RE: An apology by "dfernet0" 21) RE: Butcher's Paper by "dfernet0" 22) Re: Martinsyde Elephant by "cameron rile" 23) Re: Shine Magic by "Ross Moorhouse" 24) Re: Shine Magic by Nigel Cheffers-Heard ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:52:51 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: varnishes must be highly diluted was RE: Re: Future/Kleer/Shine Magic Message-ID: Uuuuhmmmmmmmm.......... I might want to add that clear varnish has to be highly dilutet and applied in very thing layers. The whole procedure needs patience but the result is great. I too made the exerience - especially when using matt varnishes - that a too thick coat turned semi-gloss rather that matt. So I tried to dilute more which helped. Also I use to dry each layer with the air of the airbrush immediately after allpication. The varnishes that I used for my models is either Humbrol or Revell. On large scale figures I use semi-gloss mixtures of varnishes to apply drops of sweat. Another good target for testing varnishes is a glass - take an empty jam pot or similar, don't need to take mummys best cristals for that. If the varnish turns matt on a glossy glass surface it sure turns matt on a model ;o). happy varnishing Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > Trouble with the "model specific" varnishes is that most people apply > them far too thick and gloopy. Future is about the right consistency > and can be sprayed direct from the bottle. Use low pressure, spray > til the surface is JUST wet (otherwise you will get runs) and then > give another coat when dry. It is important to "wet" the surface, > otherwise the droplets do not flow together, and you get an orange > peel effect. SO: not too little, not too much. Practice on a plastic > yogurt pot. > N > -- > > Nigel Cheffers-Heard > photography + design > > tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 > fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 > mobile: 0771 261 4514 > nigelch@cheffers.co.uk > www.cheffers.co.uk > > Laburnums, Bridge Hill > Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:55:32 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: List action was Re: The losses start being accounted for Message-ID: I aggree! But I think of them anyway, no matter what I'm doing. Gaston > > Al, friends > > I propose that the List should be silent for 24 hours in morn for this. > > The folks at UNH do deserve it and it could be a way of showing our > appreciation both for the work you have been doing for all of us and also > for the support that UNH has also been providing. > > what do you all think? > > Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:19:44 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Future/Kleer/Shine Magic Message-ID: There is a good article about using Future and other acrylic-based materials at: http://www.ninfinger.org/~sven/models/rms_tips/rmsfaq.17.html#q18 N ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:44:31 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Future/Kleer/Shine Magic Message-ID: <3BA071EF.23DE9339@dial.pipex.com> Michael Kendix wrote: > Isopropyl alcohol is a type of alcohol sold in the drug store (chemist) - > mine is 70% alcohol. It is used for medicinal purposes and fairly benign, > though not to be taken internally. Denatured alcohol is not something I > keep around and it is different - sold in hardware stores, I believe. You > can also use ethyl alcohol, also sold in drug stores. Isopropyl and ethyl > alcohol are also called rubbing alcohol. I leave it to Mark or Dave > Flemming to discuss the technical details they have training in chemistry. > Isopropyl is Iso-Propanol, Ethyl Alcohol is ethanol (Purer version of drinking alcohol). I use windscreen washer fluid for clean up ! (And soap & water on brushes) For stripping Klear & acrylics, I use Jif Mousse bathroom cleaner !!! dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:11:26 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: An apology Message-ID: Dear Jeff, a heartily welcome back! No need to apologize for me. I fully understand you. I in fact feel the same regarding most of such incidents that happend around the world, but this time it was different for me. I felt quite good as I got up this morning. Then I switched on the news to see if there is anything new about the identification of the terrorists and found myself confronted again with the horror. I used to switch off news in the past because it was like taking a look into a room of horror and closing the door again quickly. The OFF button was taking the role of sort of a RESCUE button - switching off meant to push these things far away. I wish I could switch it off now too, but cannot. But life must go on and I must concentrate on other things that are important in my life, but whenever I have time for thinking the sadness floods me like a sinking ship that got struck in its heart, and swallowed by a sea of tears. No bad feelings against you, Jeff. in friendship Gaston > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Jeff > Wilson > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:13 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] An apology > > > Dear All, > > I wish to offer this list my sincere and heartfelt apologies for > any offence I may have caused. I wrote that unsubbing email > without first thinking of the possible damage and I should just > simply have retired quietly if I chose not to read about the > feelings and condolences of others. I do understand the need for > grief and for the shared emotions that might help the healing > process, but I find the internet a perversely sickening method of > transfer for this - and strangely but unrealistically, I did not > think this list would generate the same type of traffic as can be > found elsewhere. > > I am also saddened, horrified and angered at events, but nothing > I do or say online will turn back the clock or put families and > people back together, or make others feel genuinely better. > > If I have become a hated pariah as a consequence of my actions, > then that is regrettable but understandable. I'm sorry for > opening my mouth and treading on already damaged feelings and I > truly understand the disgust and contempt that I have earned from > some here - that was not my intent. > > Kind regards, > > Jeff > > > > Jeffrey Wilson > Photography Unit > Research School of Biological Sciences > Australian National University > Acton, Canberra, ACT, 0200 > Australia > Phone +61 (0)2 6125 3635 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:14:18 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: varnishes must be highly diluted was RE: Re: Message-ID: take an empty jam pot >or similar, don't need to take mummys best cristals for that. If the varnish >turns matt on a glossy glass surface it sure turns matt on a model ;o). > >happy varnishing > > Gaston Graf Sorry, forgot that bit. Make a series of different strength/mix patches on jamjar, then label and keep. You can then predict what finish will appear in future. Incidentally, different mixes of Future and Tamiya Flat Base give a range of finishes. V useful. N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:15:46 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Future/Kleer/Shine Magic Message-ID: >Michael Kendix wrote: >For stripping Klear & acrylics, I use Jif Mousse bathroom cleaner !!! > >dave When all else fails, use aerosol oven cleaner, but don't leave it on too long! (20 mins max). N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:19:53 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: personal speculations was RE: Re: Poison Gas Message-ID: I personally believed that the airliner that missed its target was shot down as I got the news from CNN that F16s are in the air and another airliner heading to Washington... But no confirmation of this personal speculation came in. All that I know is what everybody knows: everything speaks for a fight that happened between a bunch of heroic passengers who did not want the terrorists reach their target. Gaston > > On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:55:17 -0400 (EDT), Mike wrote: > > >...the CIA knew what was up before it happened as they were already > >intercepting much the groups communications - and the airliner that > >missed its target was shot down - but both stories have since been > >suppressed. In addition F-117's may have already hit Afghanistan.. > > Could you possibly share the source of this information? > > Al ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:26:54 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Return of the Conquering Hero Message-ID: Dear David, I am glad you enjoyed a nice vacation away from the cruel reality. Welcome back to our big worldwide family! Did you have a chance to catch the latest news while you was on the road? in friendship Gaston > Hi Folks, > > I'm back after seven weeks and a bit over 15,000 Km on the road. It was > a pleasure to meet "Dame Karen" in Wheeling WV and I hope she didn't > find anything bad to say about me (or my dogs...). I met other > modellers in Glen Margaret (Nova Scotia), Kentville (Nova Scotia), > Ottawa (Ontario), Toronto (Ontario) and Edmonton (Alberta), in addition > to the ex-wife of a modeler (one 'l') in Portland, ME. I only picked up > one kit (interwar, so "ot") and Dave Bashow's book, "Knights of the Air" > for 15 measly Canadian dollars in the West Edmonton Mall. The > illustrations look a bit like they were lifted from "Boy's Own Annual", > but it is well worth the paltry sum I paid. It'll be worth more if I > can get Dave to sign it... > > For those interested in the aircraft for which I am most well-known > ("ot" so you have to visit my website for identification...), Bill > Larkins has just established a new website - contact me off-list for the > URL so I don't get flamed for going "ot". > > Now, back to working on my 1'=12" (1m=100cm) scale model. > > Jasta la Vista! > > Dave Fletcher > -- > Visit us at our Home Page: > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:32:37 -0500 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: Poison Gas Message-ID: <001901c13c37$35a41c60$703dfad1@ibs4421> Mike wrote: > You're lucky - you just missed most the drivel from the American list > members wanting to nuke the Middle East. (and not understanding why > they might have become a target). Gee Mike, we're sorry for our driveling, and despite what you think, we're probably not as stupid as you are making out. We well know why we've become a target. It reached its peak when they > started abusing someone who unsubbed when all talk of modelling > vanished in favour of the "god bless america's" etc etc.. Whoops! The possibility of losing 5,000+ of your fellow countrymen killed in one morning certainly wouldn't make your patriotic emotions flow. > (btw the CIA knew what was up before it happened as they were already > intercepting much the groups communications - and the airliner that > missed its target was shot down - but both stories have since been > suppressed. In addition F-117's may have already hit Afghanistan...) Pray tell Mike, who are your sources? Just Another Driveling American Listmember, Warren ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:42:43 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: a notice about solidarity Message-ID: Dear friends, I just received the following mail from the secretary of our Aerosport pilots club. I tried to translate it below for the Non-French speaking members. Gaston -------------------------------------------------------------- Chers membres, Suite aux tragiques attentats perpétrés aux Etats Unis, notre gouvernement a décérété le deuil national. En marque de sympathie et de respect aux victimes et par solidarité au mot de l'ordre de notre gouvernement, les 3 clubs AEROSPORT, AVIALUX, AVIASPORT ainsi que la FEDERATION AERONAUTIQUE LUXEMBOURGEOISE participeront au deuil national et en conséquence "le president day" et "les journées de portes ouvertes" du 15 et 16 septembre prochain sont annulés avec effet immédiat. Une nouvelle date vous sera communiquée ultérieurement. Veuillez agréer, chers membres, l'expression de nos sentiments les meilleurs. Le Conseil d'Administration ---------------------------------------------------------------- Dear members, due to the tragical terror attacks performed in the US, our governement decreed the National Grief. In sympathy and respect to the victims as well as through the solidarity of our governement, the 3 clubs AEROSPORT, AVIALUX, AVIASPORT together with the LUXEMBOURG AVIATION FEDERATION take part on the National Grief. As a consequence, the upcoming "president day" and "open dayss" of the 15. and 16. September will be cancelled with immediate effect. Would you, dear members, please accept the expression of our best regards. The Administration Council. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:42:57 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fernando=20Cecilio?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Miserable Europeans...it was TRIBUTE Message-ID: <20010913094257.36400.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> I just read with great interest a piece from a Canadian journalist posted yesterday by a fellow listee. The day this piece was posted at the special NATO meeting my miserable European country supported the invocation of Article 5 of the Washington Treaty and the Washington Declaration. Thus, from yesterday, the unspeakable act perpetrated against the USA was perpetrated against my miserable European country also. As should be. The day this piece was posted the national flags in my miserable European country were midmast in National mourning for the victims of the attack. My miserable European country will not be able to help with the dieing but is prepared to participate in the acts that, sadly, must follow to try to insure that these actions will not happen again. To anybody. I, born in a miserable European country, will not claim to feel this or that about what happened in the USA. That is not the subject of this message. I WILL, however, say that I regret seing that piece posted on the list. As for the Canadian gentleman responsible for the inspired ravings I saw, I would like to quote from someone who is part of his (hopefully) and my (certainly) cultural heritage. The name is Alexander Pope, and I remember he wrote about such persons. I hope I don't make too many mistakes, but, from memory, it goes like this "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing drink deep or taste not the Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking deeply sobers us again." Go drink something lowlife! Fernando ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:47:38 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fernando=20Cecilio?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Off topic discussion Message-ID: <20010913094738.98915.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Allan, You make sense. I'm sorry I replied to that last mail before seeing the newer posts. Will comply. I vote for olive-green with white markings. Fernando --- Allan Wright wrote: > Modelers, > > While I am sympathetic to the disasters here in > the US, the time for > comforting each other has probably come to an end. > As with all discussions > on the internet involving politics or religion, this > one has degraded into > a series of flame wars. If we're going to flame each > other, I'd rather > we do it over the color of Voss' cowling. > All of us here in the US appreciate the sentiment > of those outside the > US who were kind and sympathetic. > > Thanks, > Al > > =============================================================================== > Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's > just a long fight - Southside > University of New Hampshire > +-------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing > list: wwi@wwi-models.org > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: > http://www.wwi-models.org > =============================================================================== ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:14:45 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Shine Magic Message-ID: <016d01c13c3c$eaf1bd20$90000c3f@umber> I got some Shine Magic today. Is it supposed to be a milky looking when it comes out of the bottle ?? Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Cheffers-Heard" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:18 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Future/Kleer/Shine Magic | >Michael Kendix wrote: | | >For stripping Klear & acrylics, I use Jif Mousse bathroom cleaner !!! | > | >dave | When all else fails, use aerosol oven cleaner, but don't leave it on | too long! (20 mins max). | N | -- | | Nigel Cheffers-Heard | photography + design | | tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 | fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 | mobile: 0771 261 4514 | nigelch@cheffers.co.uk | www.cheffers.co.uk | | Laburnums, Bridge Hill | Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:21:02 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Miserable Europeans...it was TRIBUTE Message-ID: <00e201c13c3d$e74f73a0$236e160a@CSP00> Fernando, you said (commenting on that article, that actually, IIRC, is some 30+ years old): > My miserable European country will not be able to help > with the dieing but is prepared to participate in the > acts that, sadly, must follow to try to insure that > these actions will not happen again. which is most probably not completely true: People from all countries died in that attack. Just read something about an Irish citizen who barely escaped from the collapsing WTC, only to find out that his sister and her child were in one of the planes crashing into it. Or as for Germany, 5 citizens are confirmed killed in the airliners, with 200 missing in the WTC. So we were truly all "helping with the dieing". Whatever: I think we should come back to the true purpose of the list. Some (like Michael) will need that to clear their minds, and we all should come back to some degree of normality - wouldn't the wrong side win, if we did not do that? Volker ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 2001 03:28:08 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Poison Gas Message-ID: <20010913102808.3659.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Wed, 12 September 2001, "David C. Fletcher" wrote: > > In a message mdf@mars.ark.com writes: > > TEXT DELETED. > > I think that was supposed to be a private message that got sent to the > wrong address. Let's just drop any flames or discussion. > > Dave Fletcher Probably a good idea Dave, But.... I've never read anything on this list which has pissed me off as much that letter. I'm up early this morning and most of the US is probably still asleep. But they will be up soon and I'm afraid of where this will go. Allan - if your up - please get rid of this, nobody around here needs to see this kind of "drivel" At first I thought the "let's get back OT" message was premature, but - you might be right after all. This could ruin the list I don't think they understand how angry we are. Mark Miller Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:31:01 +0100 From: Tim Linnell To: Subject: Quick observation Message-ID: <010EF7D56E81D311AF850090273C43FE033E71C7@eden.recorders.eurotherm.co.uk> Dear All Can I first say that I share the shock and distress at the horrendous terrorist attacks in New York and DC. However there are a couple of points perhaps worth making in this particular context. >From a quick websearch, the statistics for the war this forum *celebrates* are as follows: Total military deaths -- 9,000,000 Total civilian deaths -- 10,000,000 grand (and glorious?) -- 19,000,000 over 5,750 military deaths per day over 12,000 military and civilian deaths per day over 6,250 civilian deaths per day. Every single one of these deaths was a heart-rending human tragedy. Don't get hypnotised by the numbers - every single person had parents, children, wives and other loved ones. Many died in excruciating agony, or were blown into pieces in front of their friends who then had to pick body parts from the mud and off their own uniforms. War is vicious and awful and it's important (at least in my opinion) to recognize and accept that the beautiful little plastic objects we produce are representations of instruments of death, designed with increasing efficiency for no other purpose. When we talk in admiration about Von Richthofen's victories, we are actually forgetting the horrific death of someone else's loved one. Concepts of honour and chivalry mask the awful carnal shitty horror of actual fighting, and it's important never to forget this. I make this point because I realise this is exactly what I had myself done. This is, I think, something that is quite difficult to come to terms with at a time such as now, when we are faced with war and death on a somewhat equivalent scale of horror. Perhaps this is why people on this list are reacting in different (and in some cases extreme) ways, and really it's not something to get into flame wars about but rather a subject for personal reflection. Another point. The reason this sort of tragedy is now quite rare - and so shocking - is that to set one people wholly against another so they can kill without second thought requires that the enemy be dehumanised (in WWI terms, the Germans were refered to a "The Hun", implying a barbarian inhumanity). This is much more difficult in modern times since we all travel more, and even when we don't, through modern communications technology (such as this list) we 'meet' other people and cultures and recognize their common humanity. Even though, it's striking that in modern conflicts (including the Gulf War, Balkans, and Falklands, for example, reports of atrocities by the enemy are quickly brought forward to demonstrate the inhumanity of the opposition forces, who may then be despatched without ceremony or distress. (I'm certain the terrorists were convinced of the inhumanity of their victims by similar means - as we know Iraq has long been claiming millions of children are suffering and dying as a result of the US sanctions and continuing bombing raids). It's worrying therefore that a generic term of "Islamic fundamentalism" is now being applied (on this list and elsewhere) to mark a sub-human and shadowy threat. Every society has its lunatics, and most wonderful Muslims are absolutely disassociated with the current events, yet many will suffer prejudice, reprisals and quite possibly death because others are dehumanising them as a group. Similarly, suggestions made that we might "Bomb Afghanistan back to the stone age" for vengeance forget that this is inevitably going to (tragically) kill innocent people in the most atrocious circumstances. I certainly do not say such action is not justified for the greater good after Tuesday's horrors, but we do have to be honest with ourselves about what the results will be, and maybe be a little more thoughtful before pulling the trigger. Anyway, just my 2 cents worth, (before returning to lurk mode..) Tim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:43:28 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Quick observation Message-ID: <00c501c13c40$ec58ca60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Your quick observation is worth 2 cents in gold, Tim. Well written. Much more than the canadian article, I may add. D. Let's leave the dust to settle down. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:47:57 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Re: Shine Magic Message-ID: <00dc01c13c41$8cfe4760$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Ross! Here we have perhaps the same stuff but it's called "Glo-Cot" and it's made by Johnsons as well... an alchemist friend from the north sent me recently a jar with real-authentic Future and it's not exactly the same liquid. Future is like thick water, clear but with a strong fruity smell. It dries with a very gloss shine. I've used mostly Glo-Cot, and it dries marginally less gloss, but it looks great on the model anyway. Regards D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross Moorhouse > I got some Shine Magic today. Is it supposed to be a milky looking when it > comes out of the bottle ?? > > Ross ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:55:14 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: An apology Message-ID: <014c01c13c42$9195b460$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Jeff!! First of all, welcome back. I can't afford to loose another southerner like that! :-) > ...contempt that I have earned Well, this make you an "Old Contemptible" wich is perfectly OT for the purposes of this list! :-) Tell us more about those Esci D.VII you're building... wich schemes? D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:00:25 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Butcher's Paper Message-ID: <018201c13c43$4ac9d060$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Peter! It may be used to stuff plaster moulds for homemade castings and thus save considerable weight. If it's coated it will be a nice tablecloth to use while you are painting Perhaps a little piece can be used as a "tray" to hold small puddles of CA glue or enamel And it's a handy packing material to send kits or magazines oversaeas. I got an envelope once that came in OK, but was moistened into the mailbox as it rained outside. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:46 PM Subject: [WWI] Butcher's Paper > I was watching a program about phorensics on the TV the other day (not only > an old fart but a boring old fart to boot) Skulls were being reconstructed > using something called "butchers paper", described as thin paper with a > plastic coating on one side. Does anybody know about this stuff and whether > or not a WWI modeler might turn it to some perverese purpose? > > cheers > > Peter L > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:11:43 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Martinsyde Elephant Message-ID: <86A7104B04AC99F46B4710BDB6CD475B@cameron.prontomail.com> Phil, >Anyone have an idea where I can get a 1/72 >Martinsyde Elephant... according to my records, >there are two vacuforms that were produced?? As Steve said Rosemont Hobbies produces a vac of the Elephant. Not so long ago I closed the fuselage but forgot to put in the Beardmore Engine I had built ( doh! ), Fuselage is again unclasped. There are also no decals with the kit, but mine came with white metal parts for the wheels and prop, as well as some stock styrene for struts. Internet Modeler has a review of the Roseplanes vac too. cam AFC - http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/ ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:23:15 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Shine Magic Message-ID: <018701c13c46$7c9373a0$90000c3f@umber> I used some and was happy with the result. Its great for making a barrier between paints. I used it to seal and engine that was painted so I could give the engine a wash. Cheers mate Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "dfernet0" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:43 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Shine Magic | Hi Ross! | Here we have perhaps the same stuff but it's called "Glo-Cot" and it's made | by Johnsons as well... an alchemist friend from the north sent me recently a | jar with real-authentic Future and it's not exactly the same liquid. | Future is like thick water, clear but with a strong fruity smell. It dries | with a very gloss shine. | I've used mostly Glo-Cot, and it dries marginally less gloss, but it looks | great on the model anyway. | Regards | D. | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: Ross Moorhouse | | > I got some Shine Magic today. Is it supposed to be a milky looking when it | > comes out of the bottle ?? | > | > Ross | | | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:12:58 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Shine Magic Message-ID: Try a bit on a jamjar. Should dry crystal clear, in fact apart from the edges, you can't tell the difference. N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3714 **********************