WWI Digest 3711 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Response to Terror by "Mark Shannon" 2) To our American friends by "Carol & David Solosy" 3) The losses start being accounted for by Allan Wright 4) Re: NO WORDS... by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 5) RE: NO WORDS by mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) 6) Re: Response to Terror by PolTexCW@aol.com 7) Re: God Bless America by "Muth and Zulick" 8) Re: NO WORDS... by "Gaston Graf" 9) RE: Unsubbing by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 10) Looking Up by MAnde72343@aol.com 11) Re: Islamic attack by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 12) Returned to a changed world by "Lyle Lamboley" 13) Re: Islamic attack by David Fleming 14) Thanks To All by MAnde72343@aol.com 15) Re: Resolve, safety, and the price by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 16) Terrorism by Matt Bittner 17) TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES by Sanjeev Hirve 18) A Hopeful Thought.... by Sharon Henderson 19) what a bullshit some people write was RE: TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES by "Gaston Graf" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:40:16 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Response to Terror Message-ID: I'm not a diplomat, so I do not try to make sure my words are entirely tactful. That said, I would like to thank all on the list who have offered condolences and understanding in this tragic criminal attack on America. President Bush has said that there will be no distinction in response between those who carried out the attack and those who harbored them. If that is truly the response, then the next contact with many governments should go something like this: "You in the Mideast invented the phrase, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and its converse, "The friend of my enemy is my enemy." It is obvious from these and prior attacks that persons of your nations and authorities are acting on these phrases. If you continue to give any of these any type of shelter, the US will respond as the whole of your government is responsible for these and similar acts. "We are no longer looking for Understandings, Accommodations, or Protocols. There will cease to be any terrorist groups, period. Here is a list of your nationals that are suspected or indicted terrorists. You have twenty four hours to arrest them and bring them to open trials monitored by our allies or we will assume that you are supportive of their actions. You will also arrest their associates and any others they might lead you to as supporters. If we do not see such action taken, and must assume you are shielding them, your country will be at war with the United States of America with all that entails to your nation's population. Since there are a number of nations that require our attention, and we do not wish to suffer any additional major casualties, we will use all means in our arsenal, dependent on the level of responsibility we feel needs response and gauged by the public evidence of your country's popular opinion of the US. Those who hate us will not hate us any more for the destruction, but the survivors might have a little more circumspection. We await your answer." The next step might widen the discussion to other nations that have not totally reigned in terrorism. Of course, Ireland and the UK might find it somewhat amusing to receive one of these; but then, it would give them a final reason to round up all the three-letter armed groups in Northern Ireland on both sides. I think the vast majority of people living on that Emerald Isle would breath a huge sigh of relief that the petulant children were taken as just that and they were left to live in peace with one another. My angry, hurt, and frustrated US $0.02. I hope I have not offended anyone too seriously. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:05:09 +0800 From: "Carol & David Solosy" To: "WW1 List" Subject: To our American friends Message-ID: The deeply disturbing news of the terrorist attacks on NY and Washington hit us here in Western Australia late on Tuesday night. Not many of us slept after that. Australia and America have always been the best of friends. As always, you can count on us to do whatever we can. The first thing we can do is give you a shoulder to cry on. I believe we are sending fire-fighters and blood. So far three Australians have been confirmed as killed. One in one of the WTC crash aircraft; one in one of the towers, and one in the Pentagon crash aircraft. This has indeed been a heinous crime committed against the people of the free world. Two years ago, almost to the day, when my wife and I were tourists in your wonderful country, we walked through the foyer of the WTC. We enjoyed the energy and friendliness of the Big Apple and its people. It's hard now to comprehend the enormity of what has happened. Today, our city traffic was driving with headlights on in broad daylight as a mark of respect for the casualties of this horror. Our thoughts and hearts are with you. David S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:13:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: The losses start being accounted for Message-ID: <200109121413.KAA06640@mustang.sr.unh.edu> Logan airport in Boston is the primary airport for the area where I live. Working at UNH I have a large 'community' of people that I know. The losses from the terrorist attacks are already becoming recognizable to me. Matt Lablanc - Geography Professor Emeritus, who I took a class from, was killed in one of the Trade Tower planes. Several other people from or related to UNH were also killed in the four aircraft attacks. Hopefully we'll get a resolution to this quickly so the nation can heal. Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:29:20 EDT From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: NO WORDS... Message-ID: <17.1b6f5c1a.28d0cb40@aol.com> --part1_17.1b6f5c1a.28d0cb40_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It should be remembered that the Muslims had already been attacking and razing Christian cities for centuries before the first "Crusade". Nobody seems to remember that part. In a message dated 9-12-01 9:49:44 AM GTB Daylight Time, didiermario@iol.it writes: > > > This is the only thing I can say. I wish to express all my solidarity > to all > people and their families involved in this tragedy of human madness, it > is so sad > to think that after700 years a new bloody and crazy crusade has been > undertaken > in the name of I don't know which god! > All the best wishes from italian to all american people in this sad > moment. > Mario. > --part1_17.1b6f5c1a.28d0cb40_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It should be remembered that the Muslims had already been attacking and
razing Christian cities for centuries before the first "Crusade". Nobody
seems to remember that part.

In a message dated 9-12-01 9:49:44 AM GTB Daylight Time, didiermario@iol.it
writes:

This is the only thing I can say. I wish to express all my solidarity
to all
people and their families involved in this tragedy of human madness, it
is so sad
to think that after700 years a new bloody and crazy crusade has been
undertaken
in the name of I don't know which god!
All the best wishes from italian to all american people in this sad
moment.
Mario.

--part1_17.1b6f5c1a.28d0cb40_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:27:29 -0500 From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: NO WORDS Message-ID: To the non-English speakers who are so eloquently conveying their condolences: Do not worry if your words do not seem enough. Even the words used by those who use English professionally are inadequate to describe what has happened. Heck, "cowardly," "despicable" and even "horrendous" are inadequate. There are no words in the English language that can accurately describe these events. Marc Flake (Feeling relatively safe in Dallas-Fort Worth under the protective umbrella of patrolling F-16s and F-15s.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:37:33 EDT From: PolTexCW@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Response to Terror Message-ID: In a message dated 9/12/1 9:43:24 AM, MSHANNON@tnrcc.state.tx.us writes: << My angry, hurt, and frustrated US $0.02. I hope I have not offended anyone too seriously. >> You are absolutely right! John Biskupski ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:03:41 -0400 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Re: God Bless America Message-ID: <003401c13b9c$1d009940$0100005a@ptd.net> > > I am going on with my life. No terrorist is going to stop me from > carrying > > on. I am building my models tonight. I work for the U.S. Federal > > Government and I am going to work tomorrow. On an attempt at a light note...I was waiting for a jury to come back with a verdict when they closed the Courthouse here. Sheriff's deputies emptied all personnel from the building except the judge, DA, Jury and Me. Not the most comforting note.... Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:00:46 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Re: NO WORDS... Message-ID: > It should be remembered that the Muslims had already been attacking and > razing Christian cities for centuries before the first "Crusade". Nobody > seems to remember that part. > I am as much interested into medieval history as I am in the World Wars. My impression always was that at the time of midage, the muslims possessed a much better developed civilisation and scientific knowledge than Christianity did, but for some reason the Christian world advanced in its developement throughout the centuries while the Muslims did not. They will forever remain in midage. Unfortunately their medieval minds have today access to high tech installations and weapons... Gaston ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:30:36 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Unsubbing Message-ID: DITTO "John C Glaser" To: Multiple recipients of list piter.com> cc: Sent by: Subject: [WWI] RE: Unsubbing wwi@wwi-model s.org 09/11/01 07:11 PM Please respond to wwi Good riddance. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Jeff Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 6:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Unsubbing Dear All, while I feel as saddened, dumbfounded and horrified as anyone else over what has occured and is continuing to occur in both America and Afghanistan today (and events in Afghanistan are not yet known to be connected to the terrorism), I have heard nothing but news of this as I got ready for work this morning, nothing but news of this on my way into work and I now find that the WWI list is saturated with messages of the same. Keep it here if you choose, but excuse me as I make my way to the exit. Jeff Jeffrey Wilson Photography Unit Research School of Biological Sciences Australian National University Acton, Canberra, ACT, 0200 Australia Phone +61 (0)2 6125 3635 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:31:19 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Looking Up Message-ID: <12b.470bb3a.28d0d9c7@aol.com> We had a thread last year on whether you look up when you hear a plane, as aviation (mostly) history buffs, we are aviation enthusiasts; I finally heard a jet overhead this morning, an Air National Guard F-16, the first sound of flight here since yesterday morning, whatever else has happened, I still looked up. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:34:48 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Islamic attack Message-ID: Hi Alberto, Thanks for your expression of concern!! No relatives missing, but my wife's brother is a NYPD detective presently working on rescue. A few friends are NYFD firefighters and ONE is missing....Also a few neighbors never came home from work....The train station where my wife commutes into New York City was full of cars this morning.....Cars that were left there from last nite because their drivers never came home....We don't know their whereabouts yet....I am not a rash nor hasty individual, however my perspective on this, having grown up in NYC, my Father HAVING WORKED ON THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION of the World Trade Center, having played there and now having friends, acquaintances, neighbors and relatives in harms way and missing, makes me feel that if MY government were to WIPE OUT these animals from the face of the earth, the rest of this world should thank us for the favor we would be doing it..... Regards, John "Alberto Casirati" cc: Subject: Islamic attack 09/11/01 04:58 PM Dear John, please tell me that no one of your relatives was hurt ! God Bless America. Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:40:48 -0400 From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: Subject: Returned to a changed world Message-ID: <002501c13ba1$6b4768e0$7ef9aec7@lylelamb> Yesterday morning at 7 I got into my car in Charleston, SC to make my way home to Tampa. I anticipated a nice drive home, thinking about all of the fine R/C models at Rhinebeck as well as the incredible full-scale actions as well. Then I turned on the radio....and the pleasant drive became nothing but anger and tears and worry for my dad and brother (I had no idea if those bastards had struck here as well...everything seemed to be in chaos). My fears were alleviated when I got home, but can you imagine all the people who have lost touch with their loved ones and the anguish they are feeling even as I type? This is totally unbelievable. How ironic in that my visit up north was one of the best I've had...the only parallel I can think of is the summer of 1914, which was poignantly sweet before all hell broke loose. Let us hope and pray that this will not be the case now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:53:01 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Islamic attack Message-ID: <3B9F84DD.5C884AFA@dial.pipex.com> John_Impenna@hyperion.com wrote: > Hi Alberto, > Thanks for your expression of concern!! No relatives missing, but my wife's > brother is a NYPD detective presently working on rescue. A few friends are > NYFD firefighters and ONE is missing....Also a few neighbors never came > home from work....The train station where my wife commutes into New York > City was full of cars this morning.....Cars that were left there from last > nite because their drivers never came home....We don't know their > whereabouts yet....I am not a rash nor hasty individual, however my > perspective on this, having grown up in NYC, my Father HAVING WORKED ON THE > ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION of the World Trade Center, having played there and > now having friends, acquaintances, neighbors and relatives in harms way and > missing, makes me feel that if MY government were to WIPE OUT these > animals from the face of the earth, the rest of this world should thank us > for the favor we would be doing it..... > > Regards, > John > John, most of us are watching this in detached horror, you are living it - we are with you in thoughts, man. The Uk has the best counter terrorist forces in the world - I hope that they can join with our American brothers to exact the only revenge that can apply. I say detached, but I've just heard from my mum that a friend's daughter may have been in WTC. We are with you. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:46:59 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Thanks To All Message-ID: <158.d850ee.28d0eb83@aol.com> I am not a major member of the list, but I will be a bit forward, and say thanks to all those from around the world, who have chimed in with support and sympathy for us here in the US. It means a lot to me to hear that the 'we' are not alone in our anger and pain. On a darker note, I have seen around the net, the quote from Admiral Yamamoto about "awakening the giant", but it is really part of a set; Admiral William F. Halsey, returning to Pearl Harbor on the evening of December 7th, 1941 on the bridge of the Enterprise said: "When I get done with those sneaky bastards, the only place they'll be speaking Japanese is Hell" Those who would attack The US would be best advised to consider BOTH quotes from that day. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:05:05 EDT From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Resolve, safety, and the price Message-ID: <118.47f5b25.28d0fdd1@aol.com> --part1_118.47f5b25.28d0fdd1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Quite the contrary to a delusional paradise of seventy-two virgins, I suspect that there are now about twelve to sixteen new residents in hell screaming in Arabic. A number of their accomplices will be joining them before too long. What is interesting is the amount of delusion it requires to suppose that such attacks will not backfire; far from effecting their desired change in U.S. policy they have only served to put an entire, large, and capable nation firmly behind it, and far from weakening President Bush, they have strengthened him immeasurably. Oh, and did I mention, sealed their own ruin and quite possibly invited severe misery on their populations as certain national entities which have harbored them must be dealt with once and for all. I know that we cannot stop this kind of evil from residing in the sin sick heart of man. But we can make the perpetrators pay the ultimate price and convince their would be successors decide to find something else to do with their time. It will eventually be all but impossible to wage terrorism in the Middle East as the populations there will not have any part in inviting the kind of destruction which is soon likely to visit their homes. There is no reward in any more dead except the death of the criminals themselves. It is unfortunate and tragic that so many more innocent over there will likely have be a part of the price we all have to pay in order to exterminate the vermin. There is no joy in that. But such attacks must never happen again, and the payback, therefore, must be severe, overwhelming, and utterly crippling materially and psychologically. In a message dated 9-12-01 7:50:18 PM GTB Daylight Time, MAnde72343@aol.com writes: > I am not a major member of the list, but I will be a bit forward, and say > thanks to all those from around the world, who have chimed in with support > and sympathy for us here in the US. It means a lot to me to hear that the > 'we' are not alone in our anger and pain. On a darker note, I have seen > around the net, the quote from Admiral Yamamoto about "awakening the > giant", > but it is really part of a set; Admiral William F. Halsey, returning to > Pearl > Harbor on the evening of December 7th, 1941 on the bridge of the > Enterprise > said: "When I get done with those sneaky bastards, the only place they'll > be > speaking Japanese is Hell" Those who would attack The US would be best > advised to consider BOTH quotes from that day. > Merrill > --part1_118.47f5b25.28d0fdd1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Quite the contrary to a delusional paradise of seventy-two virgins, I suspect
that there are now about twelve to sixteen new residents in hell screaming in
Arabic. A number of their accomplices will be joining them before too long.
What is interesting is the amount of delusion it requires to suppose
that such attacks will not backfire; far from effecting their desired change
in U.S. policy they have only served to put an entire, large, and capable
nation firmly behind it, and far from weakening President Bush, they have
strengthened him immeasurably. Oh, and did I mention, sealed their own ruin
and quite possibly invited severe misery on their populations as certain
national entities which have harbored them must be dealt with once and for
all.
I know that we cannot stop this kind of evil from residing in the sin
sick heart of man. But we can make the perpetrators pay the ultimate price
and convince their would be successors decide to find something else to do
with their time. It will eventually be all but impossible to wage terrorism
in the Middle East as the populations there will not have any part in
inviting the kind of destruction which is soon likely to visit their homes.
There is no reward in any more dead except the death of the criminals
themselves. It is unfortunate and tragic that so many more innocent over
there will likely have be a part of the price we all have to pay in order to
exterminate the vermin. There is no joy in that. But such attacks must
never happen again, and the payback, therefore, must be severe, overwhelming,
and utterly crippling materially and psychologically.

In a message dated 9-12-01 7:50:18 PM GTB Daylight Time, MAnde72343@aol.com
writes:

I am not a major member of the list, but I will be a bit forward, and say
thanks to all those from around the world, who have chimed in with support
and sympathy for us here in the US. It means a lot to me to hear that the
'we' are not alone in our anger and pain. On a darker note, I have seen
around the net, the quote from Admiral Yamamoto about "awakening the
giant",
but it is really part of a set; Admiral William F. Halsey, returning to
Pearl
Harbor on the evening of December 7th, 1941 on the bridge of the
Enterprise
said: "When I get done with those sneaky bastards, the only place they'll
be
speaking Japanese is Hell" Those who would attack The US would be best
advised to consider BOTH quotes from that day.
Merrill

--part1_118.47f5b25.28d0fdd1_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:06:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Terrorism Message-ID: <20010912180610.5610.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Looks like I'm effected by the goings on of yesterday. As most of you know, I'm in Ohio to help with my ailing father. I'm still here, and won't get out at the earliest until tomorrow - probably later than that. I was in the airplane, doors were about to be closed when the airline "people" came through announcing that we would have to de-plane, then when we were in the terminal, that all flights have been cancelled. By the time I made it to the ticketing area (luckily I had only carry on baggage), the airport was closed, and they weren't letting *anyone* else near it. I ended up walking quite a ways to wait for my mom to come pick me up. It was weird, because while I was waiting for the plane, they had CNN on the TV, and I could see it was a "high-rise" on fire, but there was no sound, and I didn't think anything of it. Heavens! It also effected me another way because the USAF base I work on is shut down as well, although I'm not there to be effected directly. This is indeed a scary time. Difficult to even think of Nieuports during this time... Matt Bittner unsure when I'll be back in Omaha... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:18:34 -0400 From: Sanjeev Hirve To: "Wwi-List (E-mail)" Subject: TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES Message-ID: <5F935CCBFB73D511BA2000B0D079E11E01C571@cyberexch01.internal.evincible.com> I know this is ot, but I had to pass this on... > TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES > > > > > This, from a Canadian newspaper, no less, is worth sharing. > > > > > America: The Good Neighbor. > > > > > Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a > remarkable > editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian > television > commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as > printed in the Congressional Record: > > "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the > most > generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. > > Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted > out of > the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and > > forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today > paying > even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. > > When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans > who > propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the > streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. > > When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that > hurries in > to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by > tornadoes. > Nobody helped. > > The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into > discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing > about > the decadent, warmongering Americans. > > I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the > erosion > of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other > country > in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed > Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do > all > the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? > > Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on > the > moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You > talk > about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about > American > technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times > and > safely home again. > > You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store > > window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not > pursued > and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless > they are > breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at > home > to spend here. > > When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down > through > age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania > Railroad > and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. > Both > are still broke. > > I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other > people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else > raced to > the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even > during > the San Francisco earthquake. > > Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned > tired > of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing > with > their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their > nose at > the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada > is > not one of those." > > Stand proud, America! > > > This is one of the best editorials that I have ever read regarding the > United > States. It is nice that one man realizes it. I only wish that the rest > of > the world would realize it. We are always blamed for everything, and > never > even get a thank you for the things we do. Maybe each of you can send > this > to at least one person and they might send it to one of their friends > until > this letter is sent to every person on the web. I am just a single > American > that has read this, > > I SURE HOPE THAT A LOT MORE READ IT SOON. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:39:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: A Hopeful Thought.... Message-ID: <20010912183942.83382.qmail@web9801.mail.yahoo.com> Hi folks, in the aftermath of yesterday, I kept having parts of this poem run through my head -- especially the end bit about ashes and blood. I offer it up to you folks, who have been like a star out of the storm for me so many times -- and take the opportunity to tell you how much it means to me, to know this worldwide list is here. God bless us all, every one! 12. Prayers After World War WANDERING oversea dreamer, Hunting and hoarse, Oh daughter and mother, Oh daughter of ashes and mother of blood, Child of the hair let down, and tears, Child of the cross in the south And the star in the north, Keeper of Egypt and Russia and France, Keeper of England and Poland and Spain, Make us a song for to-morrow. Make us one new dream, us who forget, Out of the storm let us have one star. Struggle, Oh anvils, and help her. Weave with your wool. Oh winds and skies. Let your iron and copper help, Oh dirt of the old dark earth. Wandering oversea singer, Singing of ashes and blood, Child of the scars of fire, Make us one new dream, us who forget. Out of the storm let us have one star. Carl Sandburg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:38:49 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: what a bullshit some people write was RE: TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES Message-ID: I've read it and I must say that - despite all of my sympathies and feelings for our American friends - I cannot aggree to everything because it simply is excaggerated and wrong. So let me throw in my few comments to it plase: > > > > "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the > > most > > generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. > > > > Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted > > out of > > the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and > > > > forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today > > paying > > even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. If the US FORGAVE debts, why are these states blamed for not paying back? Doesn't forgiving mean that the depts are cancelled and the states will not need to pay it back? I wonder if I misunderstood or not. > > > > When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans > > who > > propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the > > streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. > > > > When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that > > hurries in > > to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by > > tornadoes. > > Nobody helped. > > > > The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into > > discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing > > about > > the decadent, warmongering Americans. > > > > I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the > > erosion > > of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other > > country > > in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed > > Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do > > all > > the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? The author certainly forgot or ignored the Europeans who build the Airbus - the strongest competitor to the US aircraft industry. The reasons why the Airbus is a much demanded aircraft is its reliability, where US aircraft, especially Boeings had to fight a lot of technical problems in the past that cost them a large piece of the cake of the world market. On the military side the European aircraft industry builds the Tornado, the backbone of the German and British Air Force and I guess the Italians fly it as well. The French have their Mirages... So how the heck can this man write that only the US build aircrafts? That's rediculous! YES there are countries in the world that build equals to the Boeings - it are no Arabs but it are Europeans! > > > > Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on > > the > > moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You > > talk > > about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about > > American > > technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times > > and > > safely home again. > > An absolutely stupid and WRONG statement! Just THINK of who would have walked the moon first if the Americans would not have had >>>Werner von Braun<<< on their side! Then THINK of where this man came from! He was no American but GERMAN who formerly build the V weapons for the Nazis! Without him, it would have been the Russians who walked the moon first. The Americans financed the moon programs, but the brains behind it was von Braun! And assigning cars to the Germans plus radios to the Japanese is as stupid as assigning Spaghetti to the Italians. Eacht nation produces many more other first class products than those just mentionned. Where would this world be without the merits of the French, the Italians and the many other nations not to forget about the Luxemburgish steel industry that holds a major part on the world market? Ever been aware that most German cars are build with steel made by ARBED - the Luxie steel company? > > > > When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down > > through > > age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania > > Railroad > > and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. > > Both > > are still broke. > > Now I really wonder what this means??? When did the Americans build railroads in Germany and France? As far as I know history of the European railroads there was no Americans involved in its modernisation nor its planning. Or am I just badly informed? > > I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other > > people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else > > raced to > > the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even > > during > > the San Francisco earthquake. Rest assured that the little but rich Grand-Duchy of Luxembourg donates more money in percent of their GNP than most other countries in the world. Wherever disaster happens, our governement immediately frees large sums of money plus the population collects money and goods for the people. Saying that only the Americans help is a demostration of sheer ignorance of the rest of the world! > > > > Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned > > tired > > of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing > > with > > their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their > > nose at > > the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada > > is > > not one of those." > > > > Stand proud, America! > > I deeply hope that this obviously illicit Candian person will one day open his eyes and have a look clip side of the big moist, where the countries of the old world now grieve in solidarity with our American friends. Such statements like the above simply saddens me and angers me. > > > > This is one of the best editorials that I have ever read regarding the > > United > > States. It is nice that one man realizes it. I only wish that the rest > > of > > the world would realize it. We are always blamed for everything, and > > never > > even get a thank you for the things we do. Maybe each of you can send > > this > > to at least one person and they might send it to one of their friends > > until > > this letter is sent to every person on the web. I am just a single > > American > > that has read this, The world is not just the US and those who critizise them... It's really a shame what some people write without thinking. sadly Gaston > > > > I SURE HOPE THAT A LOT MORE READ IT SOON. > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3711 **********************