WWI Digest 3652 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) More Modeling Without References by "Brent Theobald" 2) Re: Battle Axe Fokker D.VII by Todd Hayes 3) Re: news from this part of the wolrld by "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" 4) Homestead web pages by "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" 5) Re: Battle Axe Fokker D.VII by "Lance Krieg" 6) Ordering from Jadar by ibs4421@commandnet.net 7) Re: news from this part of the wolrld by "Brent Theobald" 8) Re: Removing Dihedral from DML Fokker by Sanjeev Hirve 9) Re: Removing Dihedral from DML Fokker by "Lance Krieg" 10) VAMP Order Has Arrived! by Todd Hayes 11) Re: WW1 pilots flight training by "Ken Acosta" 12) RE: Homestead web pages by "Gaston Graf" 13) Re: Removing Dihedral from DML Fokker by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 14) Re: Battle Axe Fokker D.VII by Todd Hayes 15) SRAM Redux by "Bob Pearson" 16) Re: SRAM Redux by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 17) SP's comments by Andreikor@aol.com 18) Re: Squasta Meeting? by Michael and Sharon Alvarado 19) Re: Combat report from the Southern Front by Shane Weier 20) RE: WW1 pilots flight training by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 21) Sram Kits/Group Order? by Todd Hayes 22) Re: Removing Dihedral from DML Fokker by Michael and Sharon Alvarado 23) Re: SRAM Redux by "Matt Bittner" 24) Re: SRAM Redux by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 25) Re: SRAM Redux by "Matt Bittner" 26) Re: Removing Dihedral from DML Fokker by "Rick Milas" 27) Re: Ordering from Jadar by "Courtney Allen" 28) Re: Removing Dihedral from DML Fokker by "Steven Perry" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:29:11 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: More Modeling Without References Message-ID: Howdy! My company is shipping out to Puerto Rico tomorrow morning. I've been trying to think of a few kits to take with me. I decided a few lozenge projects would travel well. I think I'll take one of my Fredrichsaven G.III's with me. There's enough lozenge on that beast to keep me busy for a LONG time! Now I know pink rib tapes are traditionally used for night camo, but the blue would make better sense. What rib tape color do ya'll think I should use? In regards to my previous questions the Finnish Fokker D.VIII has two of the four color splinter scheme applied. The Roden Fokker D.VII has been painted for the most part. I need to apply some more rib tapes and complete it. It is very close. Thank ya'll so much for your help with this. Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:30:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Battle Axe Fokker D.VII Message-ID: <20010828193017.31676.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Howdy! My question about the lozenge concerns the pattern. Didn't the early Fokker-built D.VII's use four colors instead of five? Todd --- Brent Theobald wrote: > Howdy! > > I agree with the earlier review of this kit. The > only thing I would add is > the lozenge looks funny to me. The colors are too > garish. > > The whole lozenge question comes down to personal > taste. Ya'll might love > the bright colors. > > Later! > > Brent > > >From: Todd Hayes > >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > >To: Multiple recipients of list > > >Subject: [WWI] Battle Axe Fokker D.VII > >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:43:23 -0400 (EDT) > > > >Has anyone seen this kit yet? Any opinions (loaded > >question for the list)? > > > >Todd > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:41:00 -0000 From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: news from this part of the wolrld Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Brent Theobald [mailto:halberstadtcl2@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 2:27 PM > I know this has been asked and answered before but... > > Where can I order some of these kits? Gee, you can't be serious, can you? Look to your own provider...as in web review provider... :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:52:51 -0500 From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Homestead web pages Message-ID: <15888960D28CD211AD1900105A249078012ABC7D@ano-exs02.ano.entergy.com> Gaston (and anyone else interested): As a former Xoom member, I was very interested in learning that Xoom / NBCI was dead, and went to their homepage to see what was going on. I followed their link to Homestead.com and found that Homestead does indeed host free pages. I haven't gone deep enough to know any details yet, so I don't know what they provide, or how it compares with Geocities, Tripod, or any other free hosting service. Still, it might be worth checking. Regards, Ken Zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:06:03 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Battle Axe Fokker D.VII Message-ID: Todd asks: "Didn't the early Fokker-built D.VII's use four colors instead of five?" No, Fokker used both versions: 4 color through 24X/18 5 color from late 24X/18 through early 4XX/18 4 color from early 4XX/18 through 7772/18 5 color from 7773/18 on Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:24:55 -0500 From: ibs4421@commandnet.net To: Subject: Ordering from Jadar Message-ID: <002f01c12fff$819e84a0$3f3dfad1@esther> Listers, I am thinking about ordering some kits from Jadar. I am curious as to the experiences U.S. list members have had ordering from them. what shipping option did you choose? How long did it take to get here? Were they easy to deal with?, etc., etc. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:45:58 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: news from this part of the wolrld Message-ID: Howdy! Hah! That is the second time I've done that. It just illustrates how many products Roll Models carries. I can't begin to keep track of everything. I'll be ordering a DFW and a Halberstadt now. Later! Brent >From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: news from this part of the wolrld >Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:53:00 -0400 (EDT) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brent Theobald [mailto:halberstadtcl2@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 2:27 PM > > > I know this has been asked and answered before but... > > > > Where can I order some of these kits? > >Gee, you can't be serious, can you? Look to your own provider...as in web >review provider... :-) > > >Matt Bittner _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:48:30 -0400 From: Sanjeev Hirve To: "Wwi-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Removing Dihedral from DML Fokker Message-ID: <5F935CCBFB73D511BA2000B0D079E11E01C4A4@cyberexch01.internal.evincible.com> Okay, This gets interesting. I did not realize that the warp is not a true dihedral!. Rather than a V shape, the wing is uniformly curved along the span! So, my concern is that one or two cuts are just not going to cut it (so to speak). It will be kinda W shaped. What is really needed is cuts at small intervals. I would like to follow up on the hot water approach a bit. This is what I was considering: Lay the wing down on a flat surface. Place appr shims under the tips. Strap the wing down with tape, or another flat piece and shims. Immerse the whole thing in hot water for a while. Do you think this will work. More importantly, if it doesnt work, could it cause irreparable harm to the wing? regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:11:26 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Removing Dihedral from DML Fokker Message-ID: Sanjeev is getting in deeper and deeper... I'd definitely abandon the cutting and proceed to the water. The top needs to be flat, so I'd strap it to the board upside down and go from there. Even if you soften some of the details, you'll be using lozenge, and so reinstitute the rib tapes with decals. If the trailing edge gets "mushy" from the heat, you can sand it sharp from the underside. Don't buy kits that have been laying in the back window of a car! Good luck... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:14:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: VAMP Order Has Arrived! Message-ID: <20010828211448.76484.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Excellent! The VAMP order arrived today in fine shape. The Omega kits are coming separately. I'll get this buch out ASAP. Thanks Lubos. Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:07:53 -0500 From: "Ken Acosta" To: Subject: Re: WW1 pilots flight training Message-ID: This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_F9A3432E.AACB8026 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline sp queries: "On a similar note, is there any truth to the story that Dicta Boelcke is = still taught or at least posted at the Air Force Academy?" I can't speak for the AF Academy, but the Navy trumpets Dicta Boelke loud = and clear. Jay pointed out the plaque at TOPGUN (now located at NAS = Fallon), and Shaw's book is an unofficial text of Navy fighter guys. = While serving a tour as a flight instructor in Pensacola, one of the = ground school courses I taught was called "Fighter Environment," which = covered the development of weapons systems, tactics, and tacticians from = WWI up to the jet age. (The sequel, "FE II" picked up from there and = brought it up to the present day.) We spent a decent chunk of time on = Dicta Boelke as well as "Sailor" Malan's refinement in WWII. I guarantee = that all F-14, F-15E, and F-18D back-seaters graduated with at least a = familiarity with Dicta Boelke and an awareness that most modern fighter = tactics can be traced directly back to Boelke. OK, I'm done. KA --=_F9A3432E.AACB8026 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="TEXT.htm"
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"On a similar note, is there any truth to the story that Dicta Boelcke is still taught or at least posted at the Air Force Academy?"
I can't speak for the AF Academy, but the Navy trumpets Dicta Boelke loud and clear.  Jay pointed out the plaque at TOPGUN (now located at NAS Fallon), and Shaw's book is an unofficial text of Navy fighter guys.  While serving a tour as a flight instructor in Pensacola, one of the ground school courses I taught was called "Fighter Environment," which covered the development of weapons systems, tactics, and tacticians from WWI up to the jet age.  (The sequel, "FE II" picked up from there and brought it up to the present day.)  We spent a decent chunk of time on Dicta Boelke as well as "Sailor" Malan's refinement in WWII.  I guarantee that all F-14, F-15E, and F-18D back-seaters graduated with at least a familiarity with Dicta Boelke and an awareness that most modern fighter tactics can be traced directly back to Boelke.  OK, I'm done.
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--=_F9A3432E.AACB8026-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:25:16 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Homestead web pages Message-ID: > > As a former Xoom member, I was very interested in learning that > Xoom / NBCI > was dead, and went to their homepage to see what was going on. I followed > their link to Homestead.com and found that Homestead does indeed host free > pages. I haven't gone deep enough to know any details yet, so I > don't know > what they provide, or how it compares with Geocities, Tripod, or any other > free hosting service. Still, it might be worth checking. > I just figured out that Homestead is bullshit! They require to use their crappy editor to edit the html pages on the sites root directory and the index page HAS to be stored on the root. All other files may be stored in a directory called "files". That makes site managment very difficult and nearly useless to me. Their editor may be downloaded for offline working but depending on the things one is doing it required an internet connection - that's frustrating! I think that I will probable cancel that accound again if I won't be able to store a complete site in that files directory in order to avoid having to use their editor to store the index file on the root. We will see what comes. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:27:09 EDT From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Removing Dihedral from DML Fokker Message-ID: <95.f8b0b30.28bd66ad@aol.com> If you elect to use the hot water treatment, I suggest you make a decreasing thickness (angled) support shim that follows the entire distance of the wing section that you want raised from the flat bottom or use some thin heat resistant material, appropriately shimmed, under the wing to provide the correct angle. Otherwise, the wing tips will be raised only above the wingtip shims and the rest of the wing will be flat to the bottom. The softened plastic is almost fluid and cannot be depended on to retain a straight line from the raised wing tip to centerpoint. HTH, Mike Kavanaugh In a message dated Tue, 28 Aug 2001 4:56:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Sanjeev Hirve writes: > Okay, > This gets interesting. I did not realize that the warp is not a true > dihedral!. Rather than a V shape, the wing is uniformly curved along the > span! So, my concern is that one or two cuts are just not going to cut it > (so to speak). It will be kinda W shaped. What is really needed is cuts at > small intervals. > I would like to follow up on the hot water approach a bit. This is what > I was considering: > Lay the wing down on a flat surface. Place appr shims under the tips. > Strap the wing down with tape, or another flat piece and shims. Immerse the > whole thing in hot water for a while. > Do you think this will work. More importantly, if it doesnt work, could it > cause irreparable harm to the wing? > regards > SSH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:07:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Battle Axe Fokker D.VII Message-ID: <20010828220729.50097.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Lance, I guess I'm just gonna have to break down and buy the D.VII DF Specials. Btw, I'm still on the trail of the Master Club Voisan (not in sight yet). Todd --- Lance Krieg wrote: > Todd asks: > > "Didn't the early Fokker-built D.VII's use four > colors > instead of five?" > > No, Fokker used both versions: > > 4 color through 24X/18 > 5 color from late 24X/18 through early 4XX/18 > 4 color from early 4XX/18 through 7772/18 > 5 color from 7773/18 on > > Lance > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:14:27 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: SRAM Redux Message-ID: <3B841C7D00110159@mail.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) Hi all, No I haven't heard anything more from SRAM over their using artwork belonging to RK and myself (among others), but I have received a couple more of their 1/144 kits from VAMP so I thought I would mention that the Salmson-Moineau SM-1 (a truly odd aircraft) includes three 1/144 scale figures that are very exquisitely moulded. Now if they would only acknowledge where their artwork came from. I have decided that I will continue to review their models, but I am also going to add a disclaimer about the dubious origins of the artwork included within, and how they never sought permission to use mine, or Robert's work. The manufacturer is probably a small time operator who is trying to get by the best he can, and in the end those who matter, know who did the artwork in question. .. myself I am happy to see these cute little models available .. and to boycott the company will only hurt people like Lubos who have already made an investment into stocking these kits. Regards, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:44:37 EDT From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: SRAM Redux Message-ID: <69.1a0d8bd4.28bd78d5@aol.com> Even I have had some artwork nicked. It's no matter because there are no commercial implications for me as there are for Bob and RK. In my case it's just a RBII web site using the SPAD artwork off my site. I was actually quite flattered and mailed him asking if he'd give me a link. Last time I checked the artwork is still there but my signiature has been erased ;) Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:21:16 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: SP's comments Message-ID: <10c.4ab3e11.28bd816c@aol.com> Steve wrote: Steve, You are a true gentleman and will be an even better modeler as a result! I hope your words are found to be inspirational to everyone on the list. It's refreshing to hear from someone who learns from such experiences! My hat's off to you... Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:07:12 -0400 From: Michael and Sharon Alvarado To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Squasta Meeting? Message-ID: <3B8C3230.CE5AC459@verizon.net> Mike, I'd love to get together again. Sharon is working Memorial Day weekend , Saturday 6 p.m. to 10 p.m. and Sunday 1 p. m. to 5 p.m.. She and I are both off on Friday and I am also off on Monday. Let's see what we can arrange. Kilroy's is always good. Alvie Muth and Zulick wrote: > Alvie (x2), Sharon, Cam and anyone else in DC area......I'll be down there > over the Memorial day weekend. Any chance to get together for dinner? Last > time Allvies and I had a great time. Let me know. > Mike Muth > reply to muzu@ptd.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:17:26 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Combat report from the Southern Front Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD4B0@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> SP says: >>I was quite taken by several of them, >> particularly SP's lovely SE-5a, which looks *much* better in person than >Thanks so much for the kind words about the SE. I've also gotten quite a >buzz from the whole thing. Good. I hope you enjoy seeing my contribution when it gets to you. >Shane is being a classy Aussie gent in tip toeing around the fact that the >SE didn't win anything. He told me off list about the flaws that prevented >it from winning a medal and I must say the model was excellently and >correctly judged. I'm flattered, but telling the truth as I saw it. SP's model is excellent - the three which finished with medals were better, and two of them only by virtue of the sort of tiny flaws that almost every model has and which judges are expected to detect in order to separate them one from another. I didn't ask about SP's model, merely which had made the last cut but one (what you might call the "merit award" models), and was regaled with the minor flaws of two models I'd have been proud to enter myself, one of them SP's SE. > My hat is off to the Aussie judges. Such first rate >judging promotes excellence in modeling and bespeaks well of the local >clubs. Truly an honor to be gigged by such an astute bunch :-). I think they did a great job this year. As President of the committee I get to dodge and duck and soothe ruffled feathers when things go wrong - this year I never had a single complaint, justified or otherwise. (Of course, it may have been the scowl and bloody cricket bat) >I'm looking forward to the return of the SE and the arrival of Shane's entry >into the IPMS Region 11 contest here in October. Me too. Anyone else want to play? Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. 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Just wondering. Gasterix > I'd reccomend you "Flying Fury" by James McCudden. He talks about training > is some chapters, as student and also as an instructor. Also "Saggitarius > rising" have something from the personal point of view of the author. > D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:30:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Sram Kits/Group Order? Message-ID: <20010829003003.63559.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Would anyone be interested in doing a VAMP order for the Sram kits (except the 1:32 made-to-order ones)? I'm thinking of getting one each for myself. Other manufacturers would be welcome too. If there is enough interest, we'll take it off-list and make arrangements. Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:40:39 -0400 From: Michael and Sharon Alvarado To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Removing Dihedral from DML Fokker Message-ID: <3B8C3A06.656DB525@verizon.net> Sanjeev, before you go carving on plastic, try what I did to fix the problem on the DML D.VIIs that I built. Take ahold of the wing tips in both hands and manually bow the wing so that the under surface becomes concave. Hold the wing this way for a few minutes, release, check the dihedral and repeat until the diheldral is gone. If you need more support or more cohercion press your thumb into the underside of the wing where needed as you bow the wing. You can be fairly aggressive. Bow the wing until the plastic goes white and maintain steady pressure. You can work the bow along the span of the wing as needed. If cracks appear release the pressure. If the wing snaps it sglue and sand time. Take your time, don't be in a rush and you can persuade the wing to cooperate. HTH Alvie Crawford Neil wrote: > Follow Lance's advice here Sanjeev, mine was more vague. > Lance knows what he's talking about! > In my defence I might say that doing this varies very much > from case to case, and I was generalizing:-) > /Neil C. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:00:29 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: SRAM Redux Message-ID: <200108290058.RAA15838@avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:39:24 -0400 (EDT), Bob Pearson wrote: > No I haven't heard anything more from SRAM over their using artwork > belonging to RK and myself (among others), but I have received a couple more > of their 1/144 kits from VAMP so I thought I would mention that the > Salmson-Moineau SM-1 (a truly odd aircraft) includes three 1/144 scale > figures that are very exquisitely moulded. Now if they would only > acknowledge where their artwork came from. Now if someone would only do it in 1/72nd... C'mon Sierra Scale!! (Bob?) However, getting into 1/144th...nah... ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:10:06 EDT From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: SRAM Redux Message-ID: <149.a8095a.28bd9aef@aol.com> In a message dated Tue, 28 Aug 2001 9:01:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Matt Bittner" writes: > However, getting into 1/144th...nah... ;-) I guess it "depends" on your perspective of working in a smaller scale. :-) Mike Kavanaugh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:17:06 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: SRAM Redux Message-ID: <200108290115.SAA06785@avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:13:03 -0400 (EDT), CoolSpadLuke@aol.com wrote: > I guess it "depends" on your perspective of working in a smaller scale. :-) Definitely better than working in a larger one! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:27:55 -0500 From: "Rick Milas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Removing Dihedral from DML Fokker Message-ID: I like this suggestion. I tried this bowing technique on a DML D.VII that I built several years ago. The method worked. Bowing the wing until the plastic turns white seems to be the key. Rick Milas >From: Michael and Sharon Alvarado >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: Removing Dihedral from DML Fokker >Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:48:22 -0400 (EDT) > >Sanjeev, > >before you go carving on plastic, try what I did to fix the >problem on the DML D.VIIs that I built. Take ahold of the wing >tips in both hands and manually bow the wing so that the under >surface becomes concave. Hold the wing this way for a few >minutes, release, check the dihedral and repeat until the >diheldral is gone. If you need more support or more cohercion >press your thumb into the underside of the wing where needed as >you bow the wing. You can be fairly aggressive. Bow the wing >until the plastic goes white and maintain steady pressure. You >can work the bow along the span of the wing as needed. If cracks >appear release the pressure. If the wing snaps it sglue and sand >time. Take your time, don't be in a rush and you can persuade >the wing to cooperate. > >HTH > >Alvie > >Crawford Neil wrote: > > > Follow Lance's advice here Sanjeev, mine was more vague. > > Lance knows what he's talking about! > > In my defence I might say that doing this varies very much > > from case to case, and I was generalizing:-) > > /Neil C. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:26:46 -0700 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: Re: Ordering from Jadar Message-ID: <003d01c13029$abd463a0$6f43510c@worldnet.att.net> I have found them to be very easy to deal with. They always respond to my email within a day. I FAX my order to and shipped out the order within a week. Arrived via air mail within one to two weeks. Surface is not recommended. Could take months. Highly recommended. Courtney ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 1:28 PM Subject: [WWI] Ordering from Jadar > Listers, > I am thinking about ordering some kits from Jadar. I am > curious as to the experiences U.S. list members have had ordering from them. > what shipping option did you choose? How long did it take to get here? > Were they easy to deal with?, etc., etc. > > Warren > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:51:24 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Removing Dihedral from DML Fokker Message-ID: <001901c1302d$1f88b8c0$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> > I like this suggestion. I tried this bowing technique on a DML D.VII that I > built several years ago. The method worked. Bowing the wing until the > plastic turns white seems to be the key. I can attest to the bowing. It works well. BvB gave me lots of practice. The only things it doesn't work well on are Chris Gannons's soft gray plastic, (I never could un-pretzel the B-M Pfalz D.XII top wing), and old Revell 1/72 kits with the brittle plastic. Now on the Revell 1:28 Spad, mine had a huge bow as Sanjeev described. I just hauled out my DML D.VII and it is is a respectable slab of styrene too. (I also noticed madam had snapped it cleanly in two, so the bowing technique may be iffy on this piece) I fixed the Spad wing by making offset holes in a sturdy cardboard box. I laid the wing in the box , shut the lid and applied a hair dryer to one of the holes. Every 20 or 30 secods, I'd open up the box and check the wing and flip it over. After a few minutes the plastic heated up and relaxed. I took it out and slaped it on a hard cold flat surface, (top of my display case.). I taped it flat and let it cool. Took two treatments. The hot air heats the plastic evenly, this is important when dealing with thick pieces like the Fokker or the big Spad wing. Hot water does the same, but I believe I get more control of the process with the hot air. hth sp ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3652 **********************