WWI Digest 3645 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: milk weathering by Ray Boorman 2) Macchi Parasol colours (was Re: Windsock has arrived) by "Alberto Casirati" 3) Milk weathering - odor and deteriorating by "Alberto Casirati" 4) Unsubbing tomorrow by Jan Vihonen 5) Re: John's Phonix D.I by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 6) ÌðÂÌ×ÓʯÁñ by shiliu888@263.net 7) SE5a on tour by "D Charles" 8) Re: SE5a on tour by "Steven Perry" 9) Airfix DH4 - bag painting by "Alberto Casirati" 10) Re: milk weathering by "Diego Fernetti" 11) Re: Airfix DH4 - bag painting by "Diego Fernetti" 12) RE: New updates by "Hans Trauner" 13) New updates by "Matt Bittner" 14) Odp: Re: milk weathering by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 15) Re: Airfix DH4 - bag painting by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 16) updates by "Tom Plesha" 17) Re: Airfix DH4 - bag painting by David Fleming 18) 1/48 Ansaldo A.1 by "Robert Norgren" 19) Andrei's Breguet by MAnde72343@aol.com 20) Austin Show Cam by "Richard Eaton" 21) Re: vacform quality question by "Len Smith" 22) Re: 1/48 Ansaldo A.1 by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 23) New Gallery Stuff by Andreikor@aol.com 24) OOP OT Kit Motherload! by Andreikor@aol.com 25) Re: OOP OT Kit Motherload! by "Steven Perry" 26) Poles by knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 27) 1:48 OT Kits for Sale/All Gone by Todd Hayes 28) Diego's Spad A2 drawings by Andreikor@aol.com 29) OT motorcycle questions by Karen Rychlewski 30) Re: 1/48 Ansaldo A.1 by Karen Rychlewski 31) RE: milk weathering by Karen Rychlewski 32) Re: vacform quality question by David Fleming 33) Recent site photos by "Steven Perry" 34) Re: OT motorcycle questions by Ernest Thomas 35) RE: egg weathering by "Fernando Cecilio" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:31:19 -0700 From: Ray Boorman To: , Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: milk weathering Message-ID: <20010825063549.KLPC140.priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray> On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 02:25:38 -0400 (EDT), Jay M. Thompson wrote: >If it does, there's thousands of stinky houses out there- as I recall >milk-based paint was a staple of low-end furniture in the 18th and >19th >centuries, now expensive antiques. > >-----Original Message----- >From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of >Kenneth >Zelnick >Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 8:45 PM If you think about it a lot of oil paints used fat and other animal products. Some of these paints ended up sitting on gallery walls around the world as old masters. So I wouldn't worry about the milk. Ray >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] milk weathering > >Greetings, > >I'm a little concerned about odor here, folks. Doesn't the milk >start to >spoil after while? > >"Hey Zelnick, that model of your stinks." >"What do you mean, it's my best effort!" >"No, your technique is great. The model just smells like spoiled >milk." > >Speaking of odors, my wife, who is from Viet Nam, claims that >Vietnamese >people kiss by sniffing. She puts her nose close to my face and >neck, and >takes a big whiff. And no, she doesn't do this after I come in from >mowing >the lawn. ;) >She even has me doing it now. Twenty one years and still going >strong! > >Regards, > >Ken Zelnick > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:44:14 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: "WW1 Modeling List" Subject: Macchi Parasol colours (was Re: Windsock has arrived) Message-ID: <000f01c12d31$751bfb20$b8e422d4@s> Ray Rimell overlooked the fact that the text of the article speaks of camouflage light brown for Macchi Parasols. He will publish an "Errata corrige" in the next issue..... Alberto Casirati Honorary Keeper - Aviation Section Bergamo Museum of History www.museostoricobg.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:55:57 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: "WW1 Modeling List" Subject: Milk weathering - odor and deteriorating Message-ID: <002001c12d33$ef709780$b8e422d4@s> After the weathering cote has been applied, a light cote of satin / matt clear varnish is necessary. I never had any problems of any kinds in years. Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:00:24 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Unsubbing tomorrow Message-ID: <3B877738.3FB9FAA0@helsinki.fi> Hi all, I will be unsubbing tomorrow for four and half weeks due to a work trip. Jan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:39:25 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: John's Phonix D.I Message-ID: <008501c12d52$378adc60$0200a8c0@x.pl> Hi John! I like painting schemes from Linke-Crawford's Flik 60/j (brown mottle like on the box, but with black stripe on fuselage and white outlined first letter of pilot's name, like on famous Aviatik Berg D.I of Linke-Crawford). I'll do that scheme, personal plane of L-C, decals from Toko Berg D.I) Underwings CDL, and fuselage bottom dark wood. Greetings Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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I particularly liked the look of the top wing . Well done. David > > Youch! That hurts!! > > Yes indeed it did. Sending a similar package anywhere in the US woild have > cost between 4 and 5 dollars, less for a standard gauge box. > > sp > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 07:40:45 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: SE5a on tour Message-ID: <001301c12d5a$c73aa360$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> > I saw the SE at the QMHE and it looked great Steve. Thanks David >I particularly liked the >look of the top wing . The top center section is straight OOB Revell but I sanded down and re-scribed the outer panels. >Well done. Thanks again, hope the judges think so too :-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 14:32:54 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: "WW1 Modeling List" Subject: Airfix DH4 - bag painting Message-ID: <000b01c12d62$409c13e0$7be422d4@s> I am the happy owner of a couple of old Airfix D.H.4 kits, never opened and still in their original bag package. I was looking at the very nice painting gracing the instruction leaflet and appreciated the amount of detail the artist was able to portrait, as well as the high level of accuracy of his work. Does anyone know who was the artist ? Although painted without the aid of a PC or Mac, the artwork gracing late 1960s Airfix and Revell kit packages was great ! Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:47:14 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: milk weathering Message-ID: Ken! >"Hey Zelnick, that model of your stinks." The small amount of milk used on the model would make almost impossible to feel any smells after a few hours, less time than it takes the thinner on the paints to fade!. Just Grzegorz and Gaston would be able to perceive it, but being europeans, they have more developed senses. D. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:48:55 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Airfix DH4 - bag painting Message-ID: Wasn't the artist Paul Monteagle, the same guy who painted some datafile covers? D. >From: "Alberto Casirati" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Airfix DH4 - bag painting >Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:43:19 -0400 (EDT) > >I am the happy owner of a couple of old Airfix D.H.4 kits, never opened and >still in their original bag package. > >I was looking at the very nice painting gracing the instruction leaflet and >appreciated the amount of detail the artist was able to portrait, as well >as >the high level of accuracy of his work. >Does anyone know who was the artist ? > >Although painted without the aid of a PC or Mac, the artwork gracing late >1960s Airfix and Revell kit packages was great ! > >Alberto Casirati > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:53:34 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: RE: New updates Message-ID: <001d01c12d75$b70eab60$bda172d4@FRITZweb> > Hans, I did use ortho film for those pictures. Amazing how bright > Vegemite looks on ortho, isn't it? Yes, indeed! We should post a link to the 'other forum'. It will create a 135-answer-thread, I presume. ... no, we should not do this...or should we? Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 09:54:56 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: New updates Message-ID: <200108251453.HAA15333@avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Just updated the site with a whole bunch. Marten Tyllstrom sent in a well done Camel. Andrei Koribanics sent in a stunning and exceptionally well done Breguet 14 (plus it's of the right nation! :-). Sandy Adam sent in an extremely well done Tabloid. Ken Acosta sent in images of his in progress Nieuport 17 - another excellent subject! Matt Bittner WW1 Site Assistant Editor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:22:28 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Odp: Re: milk weathering Message-ID: <00bf01c12d79$c1205960$0200a8c0@x.pl> Be carefull here, Diego! Ken said some time ago, that his family comes from Bohemia! It is in Europe. He can have their genes, not only the name! ;-) Grzegorz > Ken! > >"Hey Zelnick, that model of your stinks." > > The small amount of milk used on the model would make almost impossible to > feel any smells after a few hours, less time than it takes the thinner on > the paints to fade!. Just Grzegorz and Gaston would be able to perceive it, > but being europeans, they have more developed senses. > D. > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:18:36 EDT From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Airfix DH4 - bag painting Message-ID: <120.38c0dc6.28b91bcc@aol.com> I think this one is from Brian Knight. Paul Monteagle came later cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:24:21 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: updates Message-ID: <000701c12d7a$04130560$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> The updates are great! Thanks: Andrei, Marten, Sandy and Ken for sharing your work. Later Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:46:19 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Airfix DH4 - bag painting Message-ID: <3B87C84B.A3E27CFA@dial.pipex.com> Alberto Casirati wrote: > I am the happy owner of a couple of old Airfix D.H.4 kits, never opened and > still in their original bag package. > > I was looking at the very nice painting gracing the instruction leaflet and > appreciated the amount of detail the artist was able to portrait, as well as > the high level of accuracy of his work. > Does anyone know who was the artist ? Wothout checking, I think it would be either Brian Knight or Roy Cross - Roy put 'Cross' on his paintings somewhere, although this didn't always make the box. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:53:25 -0400 From: "Robert Norgren" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: 1/48 Ansaldo A.1 Message-ID: Karen, the Ansaldo A.1 is still in production at $21.95 plus postage. I think this turned out to be one of my best kits... Bob Norgren Sierra Scale Models 2010 Douglass Blvd #1 Louisville KY 40205 Phone: 502-451-3745 Fax: 419 791-6390 Email: sierrascale@hotmail.com and starfusion@earthlink.net Web Catalogue: http://sierrascale.hypermart.net We accept Visa, Mastercard, Discover and Paypal. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:59:50 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Andrei's Breguet Message-ID: <26.1a4d251b.28b92576@aol.com> Congratulations Andrei, on making me feel like a ten thumbed bozo. I have that kit, and I know that is one amazing bit of work, thanks for sharing. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:06:32 -0500 From: "Richard Eaton" To: Subject: Austin Show Cam Message-ID: <001101c12d7f$f6e6c560$09191b18@austin.rr.com> Friends, The local club has set up a web cam at the show today. If you would like to take a peek point your browser to: http://www.kithobbyist.com/ASMS/ See you there. Regards, Richard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:10:07 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: vacform quality question Message-ID: <000b01c12d80$9339ff40$93847ed4@oemcomputer> Steve, Sadly I must disagree with Matt's assessment of this vac. I too had one, but all that I have remaining are the instruction drawings, the rest got thrown away a long time ago. I cannot remember any details, but for me to jettison a vac completely means it must be pretty dire. The Blue Rider that Matt mentions will indeed take a great deal of finding, mainly because they didn't make one. I believe he is thinking of the Phoenix vac, mastered by Les Cooper, and a realy nice kit. It is still to be found occasionaly and is well worth looking for. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Cox" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 8:22 PM Subject: [WWI] vacform quality question > Anyone have an idea of what the Formaplane Caudron G4 vacform is like, > before I bid? > > the Merlin Gotha I passed on was over $31 when I last looked. I'm sure they > were in the hobby store in San Jose for less than that a couple of months > ago. > > Regards > Steve > > > =========================================== > steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html > If I didn't spend so much time on line > << I'd get some models finished > ================ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:44:56 EDT From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 1/48 Ansaldo A.1 Message-ID: <127.39ed3c9.28b93008@aol.com> In a message dated 25/08/01 16:54:23 GMT Daylight Time, sierrascale@hotmail.com writes: << I think this turned out to be one of my best kits...>> I'll testify to that. Very nice, and very near the top of the pile along with a set of Mike Grants custom decals. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:31:51 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: New Gallery Stuff Message-ID: <138.9b284a.28b93b07@aol.com> Matt's been busy! Lots of beautiful new stuff to see... Sandy... Here's another guy who obviously doesn't sleep... all just beautiful... that Tabloid is some charmer. Excellent machined metal effect... some tips on how you achieved it would be great to add to the 'techniques' archive John Impenna is collecting. (hint hint :) Ken... Glad to see you joining the gallery... great photos of a VERY nice Nieuport... that's going to be a winner! Whose kit is it? I particularly love the shot of the surgery done to the upper wing center section... nice clean work there. Got any tips on how to achieve such sharp cuts? Marten... (sorry, how DOES one type a 'carrot'?) Glad to see you joining the ranks as well! Also excellent work. That Caudron is superb, and anybody who can turn a Fuji DIII into a W4 amazes me... bravo! Thanks for the inspiration, guys! :) Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:42:56 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: OOP OT Kit Motherload! Message-ID: <84.1a4cf8de.28b93da0@aol.com> Hi all, I just returned from an old friend's hobby shop after not having visited for several years. He has recently purchased several LARGE kit collections and currently has DOZENS of Out-Of-Production OT kits for sale. Everything you can imagine: Blue Max, Eduard, Pegasus, Meikraft, Veeday, vacforms from several maufacturers, not to mention Aurora and K&B. I walked away with an armload, but he's got enough to make all your heads spin! Email Jim Pentifallo at: rhobby508@aol.com Tell him what you're looking for... chances are he has it, and at fair prices. Put "WWI LIST" in the subject bar. Jim gets hundreds of emails a day, but he'll give these emails preference. The usual disclaimer applies: I'm just a satisfied customer and want to share this great find with others on the list. Happy hunting! Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 14:01:42 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: OOP OT Kit Motherload! Message-ID: <002d01c12d90$005203c0$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> > I walked away with an armload, but he's got enough to make all your heads > spin! > Email Jim Pentifallo at: > > rhobby508@aol.com > > Tell him what you're looking for... chances are he has it, and at fair > prices. Put "WWI LIST" > in the subject bar. Jim gets hundreds of emails a day, but he'll give these > emails preference. > I bought my Aurora Gotha and a few vacs form him at the 99 Nats. Nice guy. At that time he had tubes of surgical wire for sale. Do you know if he still has any? sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:30:48 +0200 (CEST) From: knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Poles Message-ID: <200108251830.f7PIUl569350@mail-relay.eunet.no> Hei, Just a small correction, this happened to a Norwegian He 115 operating in RAF markings (F.56 / BV184) on 23rd April 1942. The two Polish Spits managed to destroy the Stbd. propeller and set the wing on fire so an emergency landing was neccessary. According to one book, the Polish pilots got 1 week of detention for shooting down an aircraft in RAF markings firing the correct colours of the day and 2 weeks for not destroying a German aircraft... Eders Knut Erik >Later in the war, one of the RAF Polish squadrons was responsible for shooting >up one of the RAF's He115, despite it wearing RAF markings. During the >inevitable Inquiry/CM, the C/O said he had disciplined the pilots involved. >When asked if this was for shooting up an RAF aircraft, he said No, it was for >not finishing it off !!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:27:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: 1:48 OT Kits for Sale/All Gone Message-ID: <20010825192750.5610.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> To All Interested Parties, All the kits I had for sale are gone. Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 15:45:11 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Diego's Spad A2 drawings Message-ID: <144.81f0cc.28b95a47@aol.com> Diego wrote: I spent the lunch hour drawing a sketch of what I think that must look the inside of the Spad A2 pulpit per previous observations and to send them to Matt, Andrei, Neil and Witold...> How cool is that? We have our own staff research artist! Thanks, D.! Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:16:11 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: to post Subject: OT motorcycle questions Message-ID: <3B88078A.36178D8F@earthlink.net> Hi Fellas Currently working on a 1/35 Scale Link Clyno motorcycle with Vickers mg sidecar. It's an interesting digression from airplanes: spoked wheels, no rigging. What it does have, however, are wires and cables and I'm uncertain where some of these go, what they do, etc. The instructions don't include any wiring. I've picked the brains of my local club members, the public library, and the www, and can't find quite what I need. Anybody with some references/information on WWI bikes? Dame Karen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:32:19 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 1/48 Ansaldo A.1 Message-ID: <3B880B52.2853CDBC@earthlink.net> Ooops, sorry Bob. Mouth speak before intelligence gathered... I hauled the kit out after posting that and you're right, it is one of your nicest ones. By the way, what news of upcoming new kits... Karen Robert Norgren wrote: > Karen, the Ansaldo A.1 is still in production at $21.95 plus postage. I > think this turned out to be one of my best kits... > > Bob Norgren > Sierra Scale Models > 2010 Douglass Blvd #1 > Louisville KY 40205 > > Phone: 502-451-3745 > Fax: 419 791-6390 > Email: sierrascale@hotmail.com > and starfusion@earthlink.net > Web Catalogue: http://sierrascale.hypermart.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:37:28 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: milk weathering Message-ID: <3B880C87.DB4BA4F8@earthlink.net> Ray Boorman wrote: > >snips< > If you think about it a lot of oil paints used fat and other animal > products. Some of these paints ended up sitting on gallery walls > around the world as old masters. > So I wouldn't worry about the milk. ...and in addition, the even-older masters used fresh eggs in mixing their paint. Rotten eggs vs. sour milk? It's a tossup, I think Dame Karen (who doubts that eggs have any use in model painting today except for Voss' cowl) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:57:35 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: vacform quality question Message-ID: <3B88113E.15AF7BA5@dial.pipex.com> Len Smith wrote: > > The Blue Rider that Matt mentions will indeed take a great deal of finding, > mainly because they didn't make one. I believe he is thinking of the > Phoenix vac, mastered by Les Cooper, and a realy nice kit. It is still to > be found occasionaly and is well worth looking for. > Regards Len. Len, Blue Rider rereleased most, if not all, of the Phoenix range, including the Caudron, with metal parts & decals. >From their 'Old Kits' part of their website: Caudron G.IVA.2 Vacuum formed kit with white metal parts. Decals included for Italy (2) and France. Release Date: Originally released by Joe Chubbock's Phoenix Models in November 1989. Re-issued by Blue Rider with white metal and decals in March 1990 - SOLD OUT Kit #BRP15 Price: £6.65 Nice kit, one I'm looking for. Dave BTW I see Steve is bidding on the FBA as well ! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:19:37 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Recent site photos Message-ID: <001901c12dab$a845f8a0$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> Nice work all around. Marten Nice Camel, I like the red striped scheme I haven't built that kit, but have 2 to do for my RCW client, any pitfalls to be aware of?. Andrei I'd sure like to hear more about the black spraty on the wing ribs. Beautiful model, check 6 for the finger chopper Sandy Real nice Tabloid, the cowl is excellent, please let us know your technique, (I'm getting near where I have to do that on a Starstrutter :-) Ken Very nice interior. Under construction photos are always a treat. I like the assembly jig, looks like it is useful for most scouts and 2 seaters. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:14:51 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: OT motorcycle questions Message-ID: <3B88235A.E426BD8B@bellsouth.net> Howdy Dame K, Karen Rychlewski wrote: > Anybody with some references/information on WWI bikes? Sorry, don't have anything on bikes of any period. But if you can't come up with any better answers, this may help; typical modern motorcycles have an ignition system, which at the very least will have a wire running from the spark plug(s) to the distributor/battery/alternator and from there to the switch, if there is a switch. It will have a fuel line running from the tank to the carb, a throttle cable running from the right hand grip to the carb, a clutch cable usually running from the left hand grip to the gear box/tranny, a brake cable running from the right hand grip to the front wheel brake, and wire running from the switch to the battery/alt to any lights(headlight, brakelight, turn signals). And there is a foot brake for the rear wheel, though how visible those lines are could be better answered by DB(currently un-subbed) or Eric Hight. Actually, Eric would be better able than me to answer any bike questions. On a WWI vintage bike, this may all be configured a different way, but the systems are the same and will still need all the connections to make em work. Hth, E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 23:13:04 +0100 From: "Fernando Cecilio" To: Subject: RE: egg weathering Message-ID: <001c01c12db3$1e5b9980$17b337d4@fernando> Hi Karen! I'm sure some of the artists in the list will know this better but I believe they didn't use the yolk, just the white proteic part as a medium for the pigment. We still use this today as "mezzatinta" in lithographs and I've never heard of one going bad. It still ruins a potencially excellent "omellete"... Gastronomically yours Fernando ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Rychlewski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 9:43 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: milk weathering > > > Ray Boorman wrote: > > > >snips< > > If you think about it a lot of oil paints used fat and other animal > > products. Some of these paints ended up sitting on gallery walls > > around the world as old masters. > > So I wouldn't worry about the milk. > > ..and in addition, the even-older masters used fresh eggs in mixing > their paint. Rotten eggs vs. sour milk? It's a tossup, I think > > Dame Karen (who doubts that eggs have any use in model painting today > except for Voss' cowl) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3645 **********************