WWI Digest 3642 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Odp: Re: New member to the list by ibs4421@commandnet.net 2) Re: Hellooooooo by "Matt Bittner" 3) RE: Tip about riffled cowlings.. by "dfernet0" 4) Re: Windsock has arrived by "dfernet0" 5) RE: What? Another vac??? Windsock has arrived by "dfernet0" 6) Re: Windsock has arrived by Crawford Neil 7) she teached me sniffing was RE: RE: Tip about riffled cowlings.. by "Gaston Graf" 8) Re: Windsock has arrived by "dfernet0" 9) Re: Windsock has arrived by Crawford Neil 10) RE: she teached me sniffing was RE: RE: Tip about riffled cowlings.. by "dfernet0" 11) RE: Le Prieur observation by "dfernet0" 12) Re: Windsock has arrived by "dfernet0" 13) Traditional wood simulation wasRE: Re: Windsock has arrived by Crawford Neil 14) more spadofilia by "dfernet0" 15) RE: more spadofilia by Crawford Neil 16) Re: Windsock has arrived by Dennis Ugulano 17) RE: more spadofilia by "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" 18) RE: more spadofilia by "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" 19) RE: Tip about riffled cowlings.. by "Steven Perry" 20) RE: more spadofilia by Crawford Neil 21) RE: more spadofilia by "dfernet0" 22) RE: more spadofilia by "dfernet0" 23) RE: more spadofilia by "dfernet0" 24) Re: Windsock has arrived by "dfernet0" 25) RE: more spadofilia by "Steven Perry" 26) RE: more spadofilia by "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 04:44:28 -0500 From: ibs4421@commandnet.net To: Subject: RE: Odp: Re: New member to the list Message-ID: <002001c12c81$608de5c0$133dfad1@esther> I grew up not far from Athens (Alabama) and Rome (Georgia)! Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:33 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Odp: Re: New member to the list > LOL!, actually (New) Prague, Warsaw, Berlin, (New) Ulm, and several other > namesake towns are within an hour's drive of my home in the Minneapolis, > Minnesota, so you're not far wrong. PS I graduated from Edina High School, > Edina was shortened from Edinburgh. > Merrill > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 04:47:14 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" , Subject: Re: Hellooooooo Message-ID: <200108240946.CAA10215@harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:43:11 -0400 (EDT), Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au wrote: > It seems pretty quiet out in Listland this morning, so I'll pose a probably > unanswerable question....I'm doing the Eduard Albie DV (1/72) at present > and one of the two versions offered is for Jasta 12. Pilot's emblem on this > craft is a black and white Star of David. As its somewhat different I was > thinking of finishing the Albatros in this scheme. Aircraft also is > purple/green camo/blue underside, with a white spinner, and a black tail > and band back from the spinner. Fuselage is standard ply. This aircraft can > be vaguely seen in the background of a photo of Jasta 12 aircraft (saw it > once on the net cant remember where) from sometime in 1917. So does anyone > have any ideas as to who the pilot was and what his history was. I've asked > this once before and no-one responded.... As Bob said, we really don't know who the pilot was. However, you may be thinking of my Shobinger page in conjuction with the Albatros cook-up: http://home.sprintmail.com/~tbittners/schobinger_d5.html Unfortunately my Albatros is far from finished. Still waiting on a part from Rosemont...... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:16:32 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Tip about riffled cowlings.. Message-ID: <00a901c12c85$d9416a60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Gasterix wrote: > There's nothing compareable to the smell of paper and ink - to > sit down and read. If you can smell the paper and ink you probably have a long nose or you're in need of a new set of reading glasses. Vôtre D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:34:47 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Re: Windsock has arrived Message-ID: <016501c12c88$65eba140$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Matt! As a coincidence, my own Windsock arrived yesterday as well, and as I have to spend all the evenings sitting quietly on a chair, I've read mine from beggining to end. > There are a bunch of list members in this issue. I have a letter > published, I've noted the outraged tone of it when you stated that "I ALWAYS build in 1/72"!!! > Bob has some wonderful color plates Yes, he always surprises me with a new colour... never tought that those italian monoplanes were so dark! > Dennis supplies a tip > for which he wins an Airfix DH.4, Wonderful, but what is a "Lazy Susan" after all? > and Alberto has his superb article on > the Nieuport IV and the Macchi Parasol. Excellent! Ditto! I also got a back issue with his build of the Nieuport 28. That made me choke. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:40:34 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: What? Another vac??? Windsock has arrived Message-ID: <016d01c12c89$34672080$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Dennis wrote: > I feel another vacuform coming on. The little A.1 would be a neat addition > to the Italian page. AAAAAAAARGH Speedy Ugulano strikes again! > You will never be the same. I agree with this statement. I have more fun from the list than I've ever tought I was going to have from modelling. If I miss a day or two from reading the posts I become melancholic. When I build a kit, I can recall who build this kit before me and the obstacles he recommended to avoid. When I discover something interesting, I need to tell that in this forum, because I know that people here understand our madness. This place is better than Cheers! D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:39:54 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Windsock has arrived Message-ID: D wrote: > As a coincidence, my own Windsock arrived yesterday as well, > and as I have > to spend all the evenings sitting quietly on a chair, I've > read mine from > beggining to end. Why do you have to sit quietly on a chair? Sorry just curious. > > There are a bunch of list members in this issue. I have a letter > > published, > > I've noted the outraged tone of it when you stated > that "I ALWAYS > build in 1/72"!!! Yes, I saw, that too, it was lovely, if I knew what Matt looked like I would also have been able to imigine how outraged he looked! > > > Bob has some wonderful color plates Yes,yes,yes > Ditto! I also got a back issue with his build of the Nieuport > 28. That made > me choke. Hadn't you seen that before, it's a classic article, the paint mixes are very useful, as is the whole article. /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:41:49 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: she teached me sniffing was RE: RE: Tip about riffled cowlings.. Message-ID: Diegosterix my friend, neither is the case! But I grew up with an Italian girl of my age. Her mother used to cook typical Italian food she brought to me when we played together and off course I gave her typical Luxemburgish food. Funny thing was that she SNIFFED on everything that I gave her. She said if she doesn't like the smell she wouldn't eat it. Well, I don't eat books (just to make this clear) but somehow I adopted her behaviour since I was a child. I use to sniff on things that have a particular smell and books belong to that cathegory like new cars, new electronics, new models, a freshly openend bottle of beer or even mineral water, not to speak about females... Remember: We are nothing but an advanced breed of Primates! Like smells play an important role in any other animals life smells play a role in human life as well. If you stink I won't come in your range ;o). Oh and I don't need to dig my nose deep into the pages of a book to smell the ink! Just got a sensitive sniffomate in my face. happy sniffing Gasterix ;o) > > Gasterix wrote: > > There's nothing compareable to the smell of paper and ink - to > > sit down and read. > > If you can smell the paper and ink you probably have a long nose or you're > in need of a new set of reading glasses. > Vôtre > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:59:56 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Re: Windsock has arrived Message-ID: <018601c12c8b$e8e0afc0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Neil! > Why do you have to sit quietly on a chair? Sorry just curious. No troubles. My dad is at the hospital. However I'm told that he probably be at home with us this afternoon. Yipee! > > That made me choke. > Hadn't you seen that before, it's a classic article, the paint mixes > are very useful, as is the whole article. It's a real trove. I specially liked the tip about weathering with milk. That's a cunning plan! D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:02:39 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Windsock has arrived Message-ID: > > Hi Neil! > > Why do you have to sit quietly on a chair? Sorry just curious. > > No troubles. My dad is at the hospital. However I'm told that > he probably be > at home with us this afternoon. Yipee! I hope so, I usually read my Windsock waiting for the ferry to take me over to the Volvo side of the river. > > > > That made me choke. > > Hadn't you seen that before, it's a classic article, the paint mixes > > are very useful, as is the whole article. >> It's a real trove. I specially liked the tip about weathering >> with milk. > That's a cunning plan! >D. It works, I used it on mine too. It's a trick of the old masters , also I have a friend who is a professional (house) painter, he simulates wood grain by using various pigments mixed with linseed oil and milk. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:10:53 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: she teached me sniffing was RE: RE: Tip about riffled cowlings.. Message-ID: <018e01c12c8d$70e2b0c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Gaston! Interesting title of the message. Somehow, I expected a quite different meaning. > Funny thing > was that she SNIFFED on everything that I gave her. She said if she doesn't > like the smell she wouldn't eat it. Well if you as a child were so mischievous as you are as a grown up man, she must have feared that you would have put some experimental substances in her food. I would have done the same. > not to speak about females... Bien sûr! I even dated a girl just because she always smelled nice. Unfortunately she was obnoxious and left me for a fishmonger. ;-) > If you stink I won't come in your range ;o). I always wear deodorant. > Just got a sensitive sniffomate in my face. Lucky b***d! My nose is good just to avoid that my glasses fall to my chin. > happy sniffing Just say No. D. OT obligatory content: I've never had the luck to witness a real WW1 rotary engine working. Is the castor oil smelly? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:12:06 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Le Prieur observation Message-ID: <018f01c12c8d$9c3ae1c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Matt > Now to figure out how the wires went from the top of the lower wing into the > rockets, plus figure out how the ignition wires ran into the cockpit and to > the ignition box/switch. Well, I'm one third of the way to figuring out my > last questions regarding the Le Prieur rockets... :-) IIRC there was an article by Harry Woodman in an old issue of Windsock that dealt with these rockets. And I can't recall where -perhaps in the same issue?- I saw the wires held on the inner side of the front arm of the v interplane strut. On the cockpit, there must have been a small wooden plaque (or a box?) with two or three switches like those from the magneto ignition. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:14:25 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Re: Windsock has arrived Message-ID: <019701c12c8d$eef614c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil!> > It's a trick of the old masters > , also I have a friend who is a professional (house) painter, he > simulates wood grain by using various pigments mixed with linseed oil > and milk. Cool! I'm happy because with the list I learn something new each day. I have to try this. Now, the milk can be of the non-fat class? ;-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:29:16 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Traditional wood simulation wasRE: Re: Windsock has arrived Message-ID: > > Cool! I'm happy because with the list I learn something new > each day. I have > to try this. Now, the milk can be of the non-fat class? ;-) > D. > No, should be standard milk (about2% fat content), I'm serious! The recipe for wood simulation is: 1. A layer of bright orange paint 2. Mix linseed oil, milk and light brown pigment, and paint on 3. Mix linseed oil, and dark brown pigment, and paint on 4. A coat of clear varnish is probably a good idea, but I'm not sure if my painter friend uses it. Also I'm not quite sure if there should also be milk with the dark brown pigment. It's a matter of taste.The result is amazing, from a distance it is identical to teak panelling. I used to use this method on props, but now I prefer wood. I still paint PE parts that should be wood using this method. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:51:01 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "ww1 list" Subject: more spadofilia Message-ID: <01b101c12c93$0bdc82e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Of course, a pair of windsock issues were not enough to keep me awake, so yesterday I just gave some serious tought -just for the sake of variety- about the Spad pulpits. Later when I arrived home, I checked once again the few pictures of the minidatafile once again. My conclusions were as follows: #1 Pulpit sides: No drilled panels, no wire mesh, but the same lightweight rattan mesh that can be found on the seat of other Spads (as the VII) or even to this days in some fancy wooden chairs. I'm not even certain that they were mounted with a "frame" around it, but it would have been glued and tacked to the plywood surface of the pulpit. Note that in the captions of the cover and on page 3 the edges of such mesh aren't covered by anything. #2 Pulpit channels: I wasn't aware of the small drawing in the center page of the mini DF -where the 1/48 plans are- that clealy shows the exiting holes of such channels. It also shows a central oval aperture, but I'll deal with that later. Also in the smashed plane picture in the following page, the bloated pulpit shows and inner squarish surface wich is not the pulpit side and must be the channel inner wall. Would it have been made of plywood, thin Aluminium or even fibre? Chi lo sa. #3: Prop shaft: My guess is that the prop shaft would have been connected to the pulpit by a bearing. Why? the oval hole behind the pulpit back wall (it must have hold a bearing bracket), the pictures of the lowered pulpit showing a prominent prop plate, the patent drawing, some side view pictures, the wreck picture that still holds parts of the pulpit in place (even when the rest of the attachment points are broken or smashed). #4 Pulpit seat: the lowered pulpit picture shows that the seat bottom has the rattan appliqué, and the wreck photo shows that the seat back is the regular wooden back with holes we've seen on Nieuports, but this one has an extension for the observer's back. #5 Fuselage side panels: I'm not sure that they were sliding (if so where's is it on the cover picture?) and I guess that they provided access for the maintenance of control wires, carburettor and instrument wiring. Note the compass attached to the horizontal wood beam on the same picture... also means that the structure represented on the Amodel parts is innacurate. #6 Often overlooked details: Some A-2 and some A-4 had a metal fishplate on the nose of the pulpit... Any guess of its utility? Besides, the semi-circular horizontal guide for the mitralleuse on the pulpit has some kind of "coils" on every side, probably to avoid traversing the gun too much to the sides. Mordious! D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:18:45 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: more spadofilia Message-ID: D makes the following great conclusions: #1 Pulpit sides: No drilled panels, no wire mesh, but the > same lightweight > rattan mesh that can be found on the seat of other Spads (as > the VII) or > even to this days in some fancy wooden chairs. I'm not even > certain that > they were mounted with a "frame" around it, but it would have > been glued and > tacked to the plywood surface of the pulpit. Note that in the > captions of > the cover and on page 3 the edges of such mesh aren't covered > by anything. Yes, very perceptive, I hadn't thought of that, but it's obvious if you do, and the natural thing to use. But can anyone explain why air intakes were necessary anyway, cooling the observers feet? > #2 Pulpit channels: I wasn't aware of the small drawing in > the center page > of the mini DF -where the 1/48 plans are- that clealy shows > the exiting > holes of such channels. It also shows a central oval > aperture, but I'll deal > with that later. Also in the smashed plane picture in the > following page, > the bloated pulpit shows and inner squarish surface wich is > not the pulpit > side and must be the channel inner wall. Would it have been > made of plywood, > thin Aluminium or even fibre? Chi lo sa. Pulpit channel must be the air-intake I keep babbling about. So there is one after all, but why? > #3: Prop shaft: My guess is that the prop shaft would have > been connected to > the pulpit by a bearing. Why? the oval hole behind the pulpit > back wall (it > must have hold a bearing bracket), the pictures of the lowered pulpit > showing a prominent prop plate, the patent drawing, some side > view pictures, > the wreck picture that still holds parts of the pulpit in > place (even when > the rest of the attachment points are broken or smashed). Yes, there would perhaps be some kind of bearing, or at least a hole. But a rotary would spin anyway, and there can't be much throw, so why introduce stress-loading from the pulpit onto the engine main bearing? Most rotaries lack a front support-bearing and work well without, would it really be necessary, and if not, better to leave it out? On a model you wouldn't see the difference between a hole and a bearing. > #4 Pulpit seat: the lowered pulpit picture shows that the > seat bottom has > the rattan appliqué, and the wreck photo shows that the seat > back is the > regular wooden back with holes we've seen on Nieuports, but > this one has an > extension for the observer's back. Typical Spad seat I think, I usually do them like this. > #5 Fuselage side panels: I'm not sure that they were sliding > (if so where's > is it on the cover picture?) and I guess that they provided > access for the > maintenance of control wires, carburettor and instrument > wiring. Note the > compass attached to the horizontal wood beam on the same > picture... also > means that the structure represented on the Amodel parts is > innacurate. Why sliding and not hinged? > #6 Often overlooked details: Some A-2 and some A-4 had a > metal fishplate on > the nose of the pulpit... Any guess of its utility? Isn't it a makers badge? I must admit that I've also overlooked it, never really thought about it. Besides, the > semi-circular horizontal guide for the mitralleuse on the > pulpit has some > kind of "coils" on every side, probably to avoid traversing > the gun too much > to the sides. > Mordious! > D. Gee whiz! Well done D, I haven't seen half of all this. /Neil C. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:21:53 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Windsock has arrived Message-ID: <200108240822_MC3-DD84-8407@compuserve.com> D, >> It's a real trove. I specially liked the tip about weathering with milk. That's a cunning plan! << I find that utterly fascinating. :-) Sorry, couldn't resist. Wonderful, but what is a "Lazy Susan" after all? It's usually used on the table with different items, salt, pepper, etc. It's round and has a ring on the bottom that allows it to turn, bringing the rear items to the front. That is how I can turn my model without touching it. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 8/22/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:22:40 -0000 From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: more spadofilia Message-ID: D, I don't agree with your assessment of the pulpit seat. To me it appears to be *only* a round seat, with the only back being the part "outside" of the pulpit to support the gunner's back. At least that's my take on it. :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:33:14 -0000 From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: more spadofilia Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Crawford Neil [mailto:Neil.Crawford@volvo.com] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 7:23 AM > Yes, very perceptive, I hadn't thought of that, but it's obvious > if you do, and the natural thing to use. > But can anyone explain why air intakes were necessary anyway, > cooling the observers feet? Ah, but it didn't cool the feet. With those channels we've been talking about, the air is drawn to the *engine*. Makes sense when you think about it. The engine would need cooling after all. > Pulpit channel must be the air-intake I keep babbling about. > So there is one after all, but why? See above. Keep the engine cool. I would opt for wood channels, but that's just me. ;-) (Especially since I already have the nacelle interior painted "wood". :-) > Yes, there would perhaps be some kind of bearing, or at least a hole. > But a rotary would spin anyway, and there can't be much throw, so > why introduce stress-loading from the pulpit onto the engine main > bearing? Most rotaries lack a front support-bearing and work well > without, would it really be necessary, and if not, better to leave > it out? On a model you wouldn't see the difference between a hole > and a bearing. True. Maybe the hole was just there to clear anything on the prop's hub. > Typical Spad seat I think, I usually do them like this. I don't agree at all. Take a closer look - especially if you have the Avions articles (these pictures are better reproduced and more clear than in the Mini-DF). To me it just looks like a round "seat", and the only "back" is that part "outside" of the nacelle that's connected to the "strut" holding the gun control mechanism. > Why sliding and not hinged? Actually to me it appears it's a sliding panel, but only in the fact they have to take the whole thing off. It just doesn't slide to a "different position", like a sliding patio door. Instead the whole panel has to come off. > Isn't it a makers badge? I must admit that I've also overlooked it, > never really thought about it. There is a maker's badge on the nose. However, there are photos of the SPAD SA.4 with "something else" on the underside nose tip. Haven't figured that one out yet, though. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:18:21 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: RE: Tip about riffled cowlings.. Message-ID: <006101c12c98$981eefe0$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> > John, I have quite a lot of messages collected in the "Techniques" > directory that I can send to you zipped. But wasn´t there an idea before of > producing a modelling "cookbook" and maybe even to publish it like a book > or CD with some economic benefit for the List? SP? > > Maybe all are converging to the same point (SP - cookbook, Bob Pearson - CD > production, John Impenna - tips in HTML format). I for one would love to > see such book in classical paper form - to be able to read it in my bed > after getting tired while dusting the piles of boxes of my unbuilt kits :) > FWIW I seem to recall discussing this a while back and even started to collect some tips. Life, as is it's annoying habit, intervened and I let it slide. :-( Currently I have too many commitments to take on a major project like this. I will however be happy to assist John and others in working on it. I like the idea and it would be a crime against the hobby not to compile all the great techniques that are used so successfully by Listmembers. I guess the first step will be to collect as many write ups as possible in electronic form. From there we can access what format to use to distribute the information. CD, web site and paper all have advantages and drawbacks. These tips can be in lots of forms. Text, text & sketches, text & photos and text pasted onto photos & sketches and, if clearly demonstrating a technique warrants it, digitized video clips are a possibility. So everyone drag out your styrene cookbooks and collect and save a few of your favorite recipes until we settle on a place to send them all. Anyone willing to be the point person on this, give me a holler Off List and I'll be glad discuss how I can help you with it. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:45:36 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: more spadofilia Message-ID: Yes I agree with you about everything Matt, I was just writing off the top of my head, without having looked very much at pulpit Spads, I built one, then forgot them. It's all coming back to me now:-) /Neil C. Ps. Still can't understand why they needed so much cooling on a rotary? It's a rotten design, if Bechareau hadn't designed the Spad 7 he would have been completely forgotten, except he designed the Deperdussin racer too. Maybe he was mano-depressive and had good day's and bad days! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:05:25 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: more spadofilia Message-ID: <01da01c12c9d$71049d60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil! > But can anyone explain why air intakes were necessary anyway, > cooling the observers feet? The "intakes" are chanelled from the cockpit side to the bach of the pulpit to cool the rotary engine. Ain't these engines cooled by the airstream flowing round the cylinders? Certainly the pulpit would have handicapped the air flow around the engine. The intakes are more than needed, the sloping bottom of the pulpit isn't enough. > why introduce stress-loading from the pulpit onto the engine main > bearing? Most rotaries lack a front support-bearing and work well > without, would it really be necessary, and if not, better to leave > it out? If I could only explain why someone would have inveted this deathtrap! I have just some hints of some "connection" of prop and pulpit. As I've said before, it's just MY guess. > On a model you wouldn't see the difference between a hole > and a bearing. True. Just if you plan to model the pulpit down. > Why sliding and not hinged? Because of the small guides over and below the door edges. > Isn't it a makers badge? I must admit that I've also overlooked it, > never really thought about it. Badges and production plates are attached on the outer starboard side of both cockpits. My guess (note that it's just my opinion) is that this fishplate must be the outer reinforcenment of a inner support, maybe for a camera or for other equipment that must be firmly fixed inside the pulpit. It's the only reason I can think of. Matt, the pulpit seat I mention is seen on the wreck photo of page 8. Flip the page upside down, the "edge" of the seat can be discerned over the edge of the squarish portion of the nacelle that remain hanging. "Over" the seat (with the page still upside down) there is a smaller rectangle, wich I soppuse it could be a security belt or a map holder or the bottom window cover. It also can be the issue #8794985 of "Kaiser Willy Action Comics" that the observer was reading during the crash. Other details I didn't mentioned. There are some small "shackles" hanging from the pulpit when the aiplane was being serviced. Check the pictures, they are on the cover and on the page 3, hanging on the protective wire. I don't have a clue of what the h** are these for. Besides, there's an adjusting knob (round) on the mitralleuse verticar arc wich isn't a pulley as shown in some side view drawings by Owers. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:08:13 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: more spadofilia Message-ID: <01e401c12c9d$d4eeec40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > Actually to me it appears it's a sliding panel, but only in the fact they > have to take the whole thing off. It just doesn't slide to a "different > position", like a sliding patio door. Instead the whole panel has to come > off. In that case, the Roland C.II side windows work like the patio door of Matt's house. The lower guide is longer than the upper, IIRC D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:12:24 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: more spadofilia Message-ID: <01ee01c12c9e$6adfeec0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > It's a rotten design, if Bechareau hadn't designed > the Spad 7 he would have been completely forgotten Agreed! > Maybe he was mano-depressive > and had good day's and bad days! Rotaries were a lighter engine option than inlines and V banked engines. With all the weight in front of the propeller, he must have needed a weigth and lenght save in the aft part! D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:18:10 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Re: Windsock has arrived Message-ID: <020a01c12c9f$38e5efe0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Thanks Dennis for make it clear for me. You deserved the kit!! D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:24:57 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: RE: more spadofilia Message-ID: <008401c12ca0$2c92eb20$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- > > Yes, there would perhaps be some kind of bearing, or at least a hole. > > But a rotary would spin anyway, and there can't be much throw, so > > why introduce stress-loading from the pulpit onto the engine main > > bearing? Most rotaries lack a front support-bearing and work well > > without, would it really be necessary, and if not, better to leave > > it out? I read, (Mini DF or an article, I'm not digging now), that there was a bearing. This was not to support the engine, but rather to help support the pulpit. Remember this was about the time the Dufaux and other mid-fuselage prop designs were being tried. A rotary crankshaft supporting structure on both sides of the engine was a current idea in the industry and the basic engineering for such arrangements had been done. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:23:41 -0000 From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: more spadofilia Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 8:04 AM > Matt, the pulpit seat I mention is seen on the wreck photo of > page 8. Flip > the page upside down, the "edge" of the seat can be discerned > over the edge > of the squarish portion of the nacelle that remain hanging. > "Over" the seat > (with the page still upside down) there is a smaller rectangle, wich I > soppuse it could be a security belt or a map holder or the > bottom window > cover. It also can be the issue #8794985 of "Kaiser Willy > Action Comics" > that the observer was reading during the crash. I will have to look into that tonight (hopefully I'll remember ;-). > Other details I didn't mentioned. There are some small > "shackles" hanging > from the pulpit when the aiplane was being serviced. Check > the pictures, > they are on the cover and on the page 3, hanging on the > protective wire. I > don't have a clue of what the h** are these for. Besides, there's an > adjusting knob (round) on the mitralleuse verticar arc wich > isn't a pulley > as shown in some side view drawings by Owers. Those "shackles" look to me like "goggles", probably the gunner's. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3642 **********************