WWI Digest 3624 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Odp: RE: Fokker Streaky Finish by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 2) Re: This just in from Hannants...... by KarrArt@aol.com 3) Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) by KarrArt@aol.com 4) Voss' cowl -- stirring the pot. by "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" 5) Mac Sims by Andreikor@aol.com 6) RE: buying fever by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 7) Munson Books by Andreikor@aol.com 8) Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) by "Jay M. Thompson" 9) RE: Re : Sopwith Cookup update by "Gaston Graf" 10) RE: buying fever by "Gaston Graf" 11) My story (was RE: RE: buying fever) by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 12) RE: buying fever by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 13) RE: buying fever by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 14) RE: My story (was RE: RE: buying fever) by "Gaston Graf" 15) RE: Fokker Streaky Finish by "Nigel Rayner" 16) RE: My story (was RE: RE: buying fever) by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 17) Re: Voss' cowl -- stirring the pot. by "Ray Boorman" 18) Re: WWI digest 3623 by "bruce simard" 19) translating kit language by Myles Miller 20) Re: Saying it again by "Rick Milas" 21) Re: Voss' cowl -- stirring the pot. by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 22) Re: Voss' cowl -- stirring the pot. by "Bob Pearson" 23) Re: Voss' cowl -- stirring the pot. by ibs4421@commandnet.net 24) Re: Voss' cowl -- stirring the pot. by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 25) Re: Voss' cowl -- stirring the pot. by ibs4421@commandnet.net 26) Re: translating kit language by KarrArt@aol.com 27) RE: My story (was RE: RE: buying fever) by Todd Hayes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:28:49 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Odp: RE: Fokker Streaky Finish Message-ID: <001b01c12739$b3137320$0200a8c0@x.pl> When I took Revel's Dr.Is fuselage for conversion into D.VI, I had still set of Dr.I wings, which I used to train streaky painting. I was using olive Gunze Sangyo acrylic, thinned very much with water over Pactra light blue, and multiple streaks on the same place (without puting brush to paint again!), but one must stop it when paint is still wet. In 1/72 scale effect was very good. Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:39:03 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: This just in from Hannants...... Message-ID: <148.955b7.28aea2a7@aol.com> In a message dated 8/17/01 8:56:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com writes: << ALBATRO PRODUCTIONS Book WSDS15 Sopwith Camel Squadrons £19.00 £19.00 >> 'bout damn time..........my own dear sweet self painted the back cover illustration last summer- same time I did the SE5/5a Squadrons back cover. RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:39:04 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Message-ID: In a message dated 8/16/01 10:56:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << This is easily demonstrated, and indeed every text on the subject I've ever seen has the classic demo of two grey squares, one on white and one on black and asks which is darker - the answer is neither though the brain will barely accept that until the backgrounds are identical. >> That's a test I failed the first time I was exposed to it. My smartass fifth grade teacher passed around a copy one day and asked which was lighter or darker- I said they're the same. It was kind of fun to see him deflate. RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:33:00 -0500 From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Voss' cowl -- stirring the pot. Message-ID: <15888960D28CD211AD1900105A249078012ABC6D@ano-exs02.ano.entergy.com> I dunno. I'm kind of leaning toward a yellow and olive checkerboard pattern, in shades that match exactly on ortho film. ;) Diving for cover, Ken Zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:09:29 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Mac Sims Message-ID: <120.328f475.28aea9c9@aol.com> Gaston wrote: Gaston, Ok... I have NO idea what the hell you're talking about. Never mind... I didn't want to play a lousy game anyway. Cheers, Andrei :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:34:00 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: RE: buying fever Message-ID: <000b01c12742$cdeef940$0200a8c0@x.pl> Hi, my name is Grzegorz, I'm addict... Welcome on Modelers Not-So-Anonymous meeting! I have problem with completing my models. I begun many projects, and I fall into research and superdetailing, and I have no model really completed. In last month I had an idea: it is good sometimes to build one simple quick-build project, in order to have satisfaction of making something done. What do you all think about it? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:28:25 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Munson Books Message-ID: <7e.1980b63f.28aeae39@aol.com> Neil asked: Neil, There were three books... the two above and "Aircraft of World War I", which featured all b&w photos, not color profiles like the others. Cheers, Andrei Andrei Koribanics II 8 Falcon Place Wayne, NJ 07470 USA Voice/Fax: 973-696-9378 email: andreikor@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:29:19 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Message-ID: Most of that is a different argument from you said before Shane, you were talking about specular reflections altering one's assessment of a color. I disagree with that entirely. Assume the car in the below example is red, but it's reflecting sky on all surfaces. If I drill down on a pixel of that image it's very likely to be toward the blue range, but ask someone what color the car is and they'll tell you red. That's a different issue from _diffuse_ color appearance based upon surroundings, where a color can appear lighter or darker depending on what's around it- but that mostly affects one's perception of its value, not hue. I agree that it can also change the perception of hue, but only slightly- your optical illusion example below is valid but it is an extreme (a neutral gray where any changes are most obvious) against primary colors, which don't exist for the most part in the real world, and even then the change is relatively small. How a clear gloss coat affects a color is also another subject, again there is not a change in hue but of value- the material appears darker as the index of refraction of the clear coat is high and less light makes it to the undercoat to be reflected diffusely. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Shane Weier Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:57 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Jay, > Shane, you're right that high gloss leads to high specular > reflection (i.e. > the background), but the human eye is pretty amazingly good > at unconsciously > subtracting that from what it sees. You can show someone a > picture of an > incredibly glossy car that's reflecting the background almost > perfectly, but > show the picture to 100 people and they'll still all very > likely get the > diffuse color correct. Sorry, but I'm inclined to label this as wrong. Perception of differences in colours is seriously affected by the surrounding colours - for example, show a light blue aircraft against a dark blue sky and the *brain* would interpret it as less blue than it is, against a white cloud as bluer. This is easily demonstrated, and indeed every text on the subject I've ever seen has the classic demo of two grey squares, one on white and one on black and asks which is darker - the answer is neither though the brain will barely accept that until the backgrounds are identical. Similarly surround a grey square with red and watch your brain it turn cyan, on a blue and watch it go yellow. It's also affected by surface texture and glossiness - gloss up a dark grey model sometime and wonder why the damn thing is now dead black to the eye until it's seen next to a truly dead black item. And there are a bunch of other factors involved, physical, physiological and psychological. All *without* the butt loosening stress of imminent violent death. Shane (who would never dare interpret colour from a B&W photo - without a second non photographic source and even then you better believe I'd say "maybe") ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:33:08 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Re : Sopwith Cookup update Message-ID: Now I know why I can't upload as well. Better move over to Geocities - at least they are still there. Gaston > > > Yup, we can't add or delete via the nbci FTP site > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:40:05 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: buying fever Message-ID: > In last month I had an idea: it is good sometimes to build one simple > quick-build project, in order to have satisfaction of making > something done. > What do you all think about it? > ABSOLUTELY! That's what I wanted to do..... well, as soon as I will find the TIME for it indeed. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:15:53 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: My story (was RE: RE: buying fever) Message-ID: <002201c12748$a73b6260$4d1ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com> > Hi, my name is Grzegorz, I'm addict... > Welcome on Modelers Not-So-Anonymous meeting! Hi, me too. I'm Marcio, from Brazil. Let me tell you my story. Some months ago, I was walking in a toy store when I saw it. A Revell model. I had never tried it before, and that kit was looking so beautiful, it was calling me... I bought it. And kept it hidden in my cupboard. I just couldn't build it in the middle of my living room, my parents would be shocked and would think "where the world is going to...". So, secretly I started buying the necessary tools and, when my vacations started, I built it. Oh, people, I felt so good! It was such a wondeful feeling, I was in the clouds, I decided I should have more of that. Unfortunately, dealers in Brazil didn't have what I wanted. And, since I know you can find everything on the web, I started spending hours in front of my screen looking for it. I knew I could find it, just didn't know where. During that time, I was building ot (modern Soviet jets) kits, but none of them would give me the pleasure I was looking for. Then I found a gang. It was called WWI Modeling Mailing List. These people were the ideal group for me. I felt they accepted me, and told me I was right. They introduced me to the right dealers, where I could find what I wanted. There was a whole new world for me and I started buying, buying, buying. Some fellows gave me wonderful tips about how to extract the maximum pleasure of what I was building. I started even taking pictures of what I was doing and posting them on the Web. Now I'm completely addict. I can't imagine how life would be without this. Everyday I think about how to improve my skills and what is new for me to buy. People say I should look for treatment, but I don't want. I keep buying everything I see and soon my cupboard won't be enough for my kits. And something inside me says that it's time to try something stronger. A vacuform. This is my story. I know I can count on you. Marcio (rest of signature deleted, it's a Modelers Not-So-Anonymous meeting) (sorry guys, I could have told a much better story in Portuguese...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:04:52 EDT From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: RE: buying fever Message-ID: <137.2b778f.28aec4d4@aol.com> In a message dated Fri, 17 Aug 2001 1:29:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Grzegorz Mazurowski" writes: > In last month I had an idea: it is good sometimes to build one simple quick-build project, in order to have satisfaction of making something done. What do you all think about it? It takes a stronger will than mine. I tried to do a Testors Nie 17 in three days for the recent Nieuport cookup. I started correcting things and at the end of three days it was painted, decals applied with the upper wing and undercarriage yet to be mounted, not to mention the rigging. Having missed the deadline, interest waned and there it sits . . . another one. :-(( Mike Kavanaugh > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:20:34 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: RE: buying fever Message-ID: <002b01c12751$b1095e60$4d1ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com> > In a message dated Fri, 17 Aug 2001 1:29:59 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, "Grzegorz Mazurowski" writes: > > > > In last month I had an idea: it is good sometimes to build > one simple quick-build project, in order to have satisfaction > of making something done. What do you all think about it? > > It takes a stronger will than mine. I tried to do a Testors > Nie 17 in three days for the recent Nieuport cookup. I > started correcting things and at the end of three days it was > painted, decals applied with the upper wing and undercarriage > yet to be mounted, not to mention the rigging. Having missed > the deadline, interest waned and there it sits . . . another one. :-(( Folks, to me, who takes months to have models done, building something in 3 days seems a task for those with supernatural powers. Well, perhaps because I build my kits only on weekends, when I go to my parents' home (my apartment here in Sao Paulo is too small for modeling) With best regards Marcio Antonio Campos Redator do GuiaSP StarMedia do Brasil marcio.campos@starmedia.net http://www.guiasp.com.br http://www.guiarj.com.br http://www.nacidade.com.br ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:18:31 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: My story (was RE: RE: buying fever) Message-ID: Marcio, thank you for sharing your sweet story with us. It reminds me my own story but mine happened as I was a boy. My parents used to make stupid remarks about the plastic kits that I bought and about the many plastic soldiers that I bought for playing - I kept armies of a total of more than 3000 Airfix soldiers to play with. So I kept it secret too. But I was about 13 at that time ;o). > > I just couldn't build it in the middle of my living room, my parents would > be shocked and would think "where the world is going to...". Just wondering WHY. You are already ast 20, are you? So you are an adult man and your parents cannot tell you anymore if modeling is the right thing for you or not. So, > secretly I > started buying the necessary tools and, when my vacations started, I built > it. Oh, people, I felt so good! It was such a wondeful feeling, I > was in the > clouds, I decided I should have more of that. Yes, that's it! At that time I even build models in my bed, hidden under my blanket, with my flashlight as a lightsource... > > Then I found a gang. It was called WWI Modeling Mailing List. These people > were the ideal group for me. I felt they accepted me, and told me I was > right. They introduced me to the right dealers, where I could find what I > wanted. There was a whole new world for me and I started buying, buying, > buying. Some fellows gave me wonderful tips about how to extract > the maximum > pleasure of what I was building. I started even taking pictures of what I > was doing and posting them on the Web. I think that I am speaking from the heart of the other listees as well when I tell you that I feel very happy that we could help you to get started with this wonderful hobby. > > Now I'm completely addict. I can't imagine how life would be without this. Wait for the day the right woman will step into your life... > Everyday I think about how to improve my skills and what is new for me to > buy. People say I should look for treatment, but I don't want. I > keep buying > everything I see and soon my cupboard won't be enough for my kits. Now I wonder HOW you are hiding all of the stuff from your parents that you bought ? Do you have such a huge cupboard to store everything inside ;o)? > > (sorry guys, I could have told a much better story in Portuguese...) > Hey man, your English version of your story is just perfect! Thanks for sharing it with us. happy modeling! Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:19:08 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: Fokker Streaky Finish Message-ID: <000001c12751$7d2b2ba0$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Peter suggested: >IMO wet brushing followed by some thin washes gives a better and more >authentic finish. The original was done that way after all. Just make sure >your paints are compatable beforehand. And Hans wrote: >Hmmm, Nigel, I did my Eduard DrI rather 'dry' and I am fairly unhappy. Maybe >I'll send pics to Allan - to show a 'how-to-not-do' version. I am preparing >a Roden DrI now for test work and I'll try not a wet, not a dry, but a >'damp' version. And I will do it with oils over acrylics. I planned to follow the original method (I even had a brush in scale width courtesy of a previous post). However, it just didn't work. I was applying MK Fokker Olive neat over MK base CDL, and the paint wouldn't "streak." It wanted to form "clumps" like a watercolour painted on a gloss paint (which is I guess what it is, so that shouldn't have surprised me!). It also looked very light in colour. So I used artists' acrylics for the streaking instead, painted on wet and then worked over several times with a wet brush. I got streaking but I wasn't at all happy with the result. When I saw Matt's test wing at http://www.internetmodeler.com/2000/aug2000/new-releases/mk_fokker_p.jpg I thought this looked much closer to the real thing than my feeble effort. And it was all MK paints. So I really wanted to find out how he did it. My conclusion (prior to seeing Matt's work) was to use oils. But ths will take a long time to dry, so I prefer the sound of Matt's method. Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:44:09 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: RE: My story (was RE: RE: buying fever) Message-ID: <002f01c12755$17e6f540$4d1ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com> > Now I wonder HOW you are hiding all of the stuff from your > parents that you > bought ? Do you have such a huge cupboard to store everything > inside ;o)? Aha! I keep my kits in my cupboard here in my very small São Paulo apartment. When I go to Sao Jose dos Campos (where my family lives), almost every weekend, I take with me only the kit I'm going to build :-)))))))) ot comment: last Wednesday we had a press conference with Hugh Jackman (very funny guy). He said Sao Paulo reminds him Sydney (so our Aussie fellows can imagine how my city is). I'm still trying to discover whether it's good or not. With best regards from Brazil Marcio Antonio Campos Redator do GuiaSP StarMedia do Brasil marcio.campos@starmedia.net http://www.guiasp.com.br http://www.guiarj.com.br http://www.nacidade.com.br ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:20:20 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Voss' cowl -- stirring the pot. Message-ID: <2F7DA76C94E1B794698B84F51BAFA686@Ray_B.prontomail.com> From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" >I dunno.  I'm kind of leaning toward a yellow and olive checkerboard >pattern, in shades that match exactly on ortho film. ;) Whilst this was said in jest, there is a photo of a well documented SE5a that has a diamond pattern camouflage. Appears rather like Lozenge. It was an experimental camouflage. The Diamonds come out looking very dark and very light. So far so good. Except the actual colours used were PC10 and Nivo. The Nivo appeared almost a pale shade in the picture. Just thought I would mention this to show what happens with Orthochromatic film. As to Voss's cowl it was vegemite coloured! Ray ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:52:44 -0400 From: "bruce simard" To: Subject: Re: WWI digest 3623 Message-ID: <001201c12766$f56ea0a0$a23aaf3f@22by501> > Shane wrote: > > > > Sadly, my vacation starts in one week and I may be forced to > > go outside each > > day and sit on the beach and look for a few more bird species > > to report to > > Neil. > > > > (PS - in this mild weather there's no point ornithologically > > speaking in > > looking for Blue Tits) > > > > Shane > > Please do, and I'm especially interested in all reports about Great Tits! > /Neil C. > Gentlemen....... At those temperatures, I have no doubt the former species may not be out. But there can be no doubt the double breasted mattress thrashers will be out in force. We all await your recon report, Shane ! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:09:45 -0700 From: Myles Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: translating kit language Message-ID: <4.1.20010817150205.00a114f0@mail> To enlighten - or lighten - everyone's day before heading into the weekend: While doing some web searching for info on the 1/35 Emhar Mark IV kit, I had Google do a translation of a French site. Here is how the passage describing the nature of the kit plastic translated: "The plastic is... strapping fellow." For anyone who has worked on this kit, I guess that about sums it up ......... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:16:28 -0500 From: "Rick Milas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Saying it again Message-ID: > >Rick, > > > Sure wish I had venomous or other snakes by a creek next to > > my house. > >You can have the ones from here if you like. I have two 11 year olds and a >7 >year old and have had a King Brown and two Red bellied Blacks (that I >*know* >about) in our yard in the three years we've lived here. Both types are much >more poisonous than necessary to kill you stone dead . > Shane, good point you make here. I have a 10 and a 12 year old. You never want to see your children in any danger or potential danger. Rick Milas _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:35:19 EDT From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Voss' cowl -- stirring the pot. Message-ID: <141.fbeac.28aef627@aol.com> In a message dated Fri, 17 Aug 2001 4:35:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Ray Boorman" writes: > As to Voss's cowl it was vegemite coloured! > > Ray I'm feeling mellow today. . . I can buy that. However, no one has done a vegemite paint chip so we can tell what color vegemite is. Shane knows but he is on the other side of the world and, as I have been told, words don't do it justice. As far as I know EtH has the only sample on the North American continent and I think he's afraid of it. He hasn't tasted it yet. Do you suppose he's secretly doing a Fokker F.I and using it on the cowl?? Mike Kavanaugh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:49:12 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Voss' cowl -- stirring the pot. Message-ID: <3B797881000E7A6A@mail.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) Hey E .. smear some on a card and send it to someone to scan so we can see what colour the cowl was Bob ---------- >From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: Voss' cowl -- stirring the pot. >Date: Fri, Aug 17, 2001, 3:38 pm > > In a message dated Fri, 17 Aug 2001 4:35:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Ray > Boorman" writes: > >> As to Voss's cowl it was vegemite coloured! >> >> Ray > > I'm feeling mellow today. . . I can buy that. However, no one has done a > vegemite paint chip so we can tell what color vegemite is. Shane knows but > he is on the other side of the world and, as I have been told, words don't > do it justice. As far as I know EtH has the only sample on the North > American continent and I think he's afraid of it. He hasn't tasted it yet. > Do you suppose he's secretly doing a Fokker F.I and using it on the cowl?? > > Mike Kavanaugh > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:51:14 -0500 From: ibs4421@commandnet.net To: Subject: Re: Voss' cowl -- stirring the pot. Message-ID: <000e01c1276f$1f612d80$3c3dfad1@esther> Except the actual > colours used were PC10 and Nivo. The Nivo appeared almost a pale > shade in the picture. Just thought I would mention this to show what > happens with Orthochromatic film. What is Nivo? Ignorantly, Warren ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:28:39 EDT From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Voss' cowl -- stirring the pot. Message-ID: <6e.eaed145.28af02a8@aol.com> In a message dated Fri, 17 Aug 2001 6:53:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ibs4421@commandnet.net writes: > > Except the actual > > colours used were PC10 and Nivo. The Nivo appeared almost a pale > > shade in the picture. Just thought I would mention this to show what > > happens with Orthochromatic film. > > > What is Nivo? > > Ignorantly, > > Warren Hi Warren, Following is what I have on the subject from Urban Fredriksson's Color Reference Charts (United Kingdom). I will give the url I have later but note my copy is dated 09/26/99. NIVO (Night Invisible Varnish Orfordness), Very dark grey-green. Used on night-flying aircraft from 1917. url I have is: http://www.hotel.wineasy.se/ipms/stuff_eng_colorcharts_uk.htm HTH, Mike Kavanaugh P.S. Xtracolor (Hannant's??) makes it in tins, #X:X20, enamel, I believe. Probably there are others. MK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:07:49 -0500 From: ibs4421@commandnet.net To: Subject: Re: Voss' cowl -- stirring the pot. Message-ID: <003101c12779$d3017a20$3c3dfad1@esther> Mike, Thanks! The URL still works. Warren > Hi Warren, > > Following is what I have on the subject from Urban Fredriksson's Color Reference Charts (United Kingdom). I will give the url I have later but note my copy is dated 09/26/99. > > NIVO (Night Invisible Varnish Orfordness), Very dark grey-green. Used on night-flying aircraft from 1917. > url I have is: http://www.hotel.wineasy.se/ipms/stuff_eng_colorcharts_uk.htm > > HTH, > Mike Kavanaugh > > P.S. Xtracolor (Hannant's??) makes it in tins, #X:X20, enamel, I believe. Probably there are others. > MK > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:18:44 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: translating kit language Message-ID: <135.28fce1.28af0e64@aol.com> In a message dated 8/17/01 3:02:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, myles.miller@thc.state.tx.us writes: << Here is how the passage describing the nature of the kit plastic translated: "The plastic is... strapping fellow." >> Some time ago, I went to a Portuguese site with a review concerning a certain WW II model......the wings were described as being "nice rabbits". These translation thangs can be fun! RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:27:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: My story (was RE: RE: buying fever) Message-ID: <20010818002708.28703.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Mine's an inherited illness that was in remission for a few years. Some guy named Eduard re-addicted me. --- Gaston Graf wrote: > Marcio, > > thank you for sharing your sweet story with us. It > reminds me my own story > but mine happened as I was a boy. My parents used to > make stupid remarks > about the plastic kits that I bought and about the > many plastic soldiers > that I bought for playing - I kept armies of a total > of more than 3000 > Airfix soldiers to play with. So I kept it secret > too. But I was about 13 at > that time ;o). > > > > > I just couldn't build it in the middle of my > living room, my parents would > > be shocked and would think "where the world is > going to...". > > Just wondering WHY. You are already ast 20, are you? > So you are an adult man > and your parents cannot tell you anymore if modeling > is the right thing for > you or not. > > > So, > > secretly I > > started buying the necessary tools and, when my > vacations started, I built > > it. Oh, people, I felt so good! It was such a > wondeful feeling, I > > was in the > > clouds, I decided I should have more of that. > > Yes, that's it! At that time I even build models in > my bed, hidden under my > blanket, with my flashlight as a lightsource... > > > > > Then I found a gang. It was called WWI Modeling > Mailing List. These people > > were the ideal group for me. I felt they accepted > me, and told me I was > > right. They introduced me to the right dealers, > where I could find what I > > wanted. There was a whole new world for me and I > started buying, buying, > > buying. Some fellows gave me wonderful tips about > how to extract > > the maximum > > pleasure of what I was building. I started even > taking pictures of what I > > was doing and posting them on the Web. > > I think that I am speaking from the heart of the > other listees as well when > I tell you that I feel very happy that we could help > you to get started with > this wonderful hobby. > > > > > Now I'm completely addict. I can't imagine how > life would be without this. > > Wait for the day the right woman will step into your > life... > > > Everyday I think about how to improve my skills > and what is new for me to > > buy. People say I should look for treatment, but I > don't want. I > > keep buying > > everything I see and soon my cupboard won't be > enough for my kits. > > Now I wonder HOW you are hiding all of the stuff > from your parents that you > bought ? Do you have such a huge cupboard to store > everything inside ;o)? > > > > > (sorry guys, I could have told a much better story > in Portuguese...) > > > > Hey man, your English version of your story is just > perfect! Thanks for > sharing it with us. > > happy modeling! > > Gaston Graf > (ggraf@vo.lu) > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" > at: > http://www.jastaboelcke.de > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3624 **********************