WWI Digest 3621 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) by "Gaston Graf" 2) Re: offlist! RE: Re: Reading the archive request by "Ray Boorman" 3) Odp: Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 4) RE: Odp: RE: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) by "Jay M. Thompson" 5) Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 6) Re: Dave Calhoun isn't subbed anymore. Re: David Calhoun's W.29 by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 7) RE: Voss' F.1 by mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) 8) Odp: RE: Odp: RE: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 9) RE: Wrapping by mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) 10) RE: Imperial German Air service Decals by "Bob Pearson" 11) Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) by "Bob Pearson" 12) RE: Wrapping by "Lance Krieg" 13) Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) by "Jay M. Thompson" 14) Queensland Model Hobbies Expo - One week to go! by Shane Weier 15) Sopwith Cookup update by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 16) Re: Saying it again by Shane Weier 17) Re: Queensland Model Hobbies Expo - One week to go! by "Steven Perry" 18) RE: offlist! RE: Re: Reading the archive request by Shane Weier 19) RE: David Calhoun's W.29 by Shane Weier 20) RE: offlist! RE: Re: Reading the archive request by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 21) problems like Voss Dr.I by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 22) Re: Junkers D.I kit - clarification by Shane Weier 23) RE: offlist! RE: Re: Reading the archive request by Shane Weier 24) Re: Queensland Model Hobbies Expo - One week to go! by Shane Weier 25) Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) by "Bob Pearson" 26) RE: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) by Shane Weier 27) Re: Odp: Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:52:21 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Message-ID: It's somewhat funny to see how often this topic is discussed again and again and how quick we get into it as soon as somebody just dares to whisper the name "Voss". I wonder what the guy had done if somebody had told him before his last start that so many decades after his death people from around the world will still discuss the color of his cowl... A smile? Or maybe just a "Du willst mich wohl verarschen, Kumpel?" off to bed now Gasterix ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:58:43 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: wwi@wwi-models.org, multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: offlist! RE: Re: Reading the archive request Message-ID: Diego wrote > I would rather be on vacations right now! (5ºC and raining here...) > Regardssssssss To which Shane and Lorna replied > >  So, this isn't the time to say that we're flying out to the UK in >a few hours then ;-) > >  S & L And finally David Fleming replied >Depends where you are going - here in Scotland it's bright and >sunny, inthe South (Bath anyway) it's wet and raining ! So my two cents, who cares about Bath whats the weather like in Bristol City!!! Ray ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:02:42 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Odp: Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Message-ID: <014801c12696$cbc01e80$0200a8c0@x.pl> ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Perry > on ortho film Are all photographs from that period ortochromatic? By the way on Polish ortochromatic pictures from '20 yellow parts of cavalry caps looked very dark, almost black, but these are dangerous waters... Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:08:28 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Odp: RE: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Message-ID: The ones I remember from McCudden and Rhys-Davids stated the aircraft was light blue...at least I'm sure that's what McCudden called it. What we see in this photo is definitely F.103/17, and (standard disclaimer on the uncertainty of the cowl color due to orthchromatic film) certainly appears to be the standard Fokker finish of green/brown over light blue/turquoise. As I said, the streaking on the fuselage is so light that IMO it would appear mostly blue at a distance. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Grzegorz Mazurowski Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 3:37 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Odp: RE: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay M. Thompson > 56 squadron reported the aircraft as light blue or blue/green In article I quoted aircraft was reported as "brown and yellow" Why? Is that fake? Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:16:48 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Message-ID: <015f01c12698$c39fd180$0200a8c0@x.pl> ----- Original Message ----- From: Gaston Graf > It's somewhat funny to see how often this topic is discussed again and again > and how quick we get into it as soon as somebody just dares to whisper the > name "Voss". I predicted it today, so I took Voss for example. Actually, I wanted to know ways to determine colours from B&W photos. Good night, Gaston! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:24:41 EDT From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Dave Calhoun isn't subbed anymore. Re: David Calhoun's W.29 Message-ID: <9a.18be36a3.28ad9419@aol.com> Dave Calhoun is unsubbed from the list for the time being I believe. In a message dated 8/16/1 3:51:48 PM, plesha3@home.com writes: << Hi David- Very nice aircraft and review. Thanks Tom S.E.MI. >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:22:22 -0500 From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Voss' F.1 Message-ID: According to those who have done the research, all the F.1s and the first 100 Dr. 1s were all painted a base of turquoise with the upper and side surfaces streaked with olive green. All subsequent Dr. 1s were left with a base of CDL then streaked with olive green. I believe this is something both Ray Rimell and Alex Imrie agreed on. Those two DID NOT agree on the cowl question, which wasn't asked, but which has become one of the more jaded and jaundiced subjects on the list. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:32:24 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Odp: RE: Odp: RE: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Message-ID: <016901c1269a$f1848ee0$0200a8c0@x.pl> ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay M. Thompson > The ones I remember from McCudden and Rhys-Davids stated the aircraft was > light blue...at least I'm sure that's what McCudden called it. But this is from report about killing Voss, I think, 23 Sept. And I mean 6th Sept. Maybe it was different F.I? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:24:30 -0500 From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Wrapping Message-ID: Grzegorz: My man*, you are not wrapping. *U.S. urban slang Marc (who forgives Lance and hopes he can get his wrapping fixed) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:23:35 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Imperial German Air service Decals Message-ID: <3B7978810009FA48@mail.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) Hmmm. . I've got the Alps, I've got the references, I've got Illustrator, I sorta have the time. .. I don't have the decal paper .. I don't have the experience of doing Alps yet Bob ---------- >From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] RE: Imperial German Air service Decals >Date: Thu, Aug 16, 2001, 12:19 pm > > Matt: > > Back in February you and I were trying to get Glenn Ashley (at > http://www.mycbsite.com/deltapub/discussion/index.nhtml?profile=discussion) > interested in doing French escadrille markings. In response to your > suggestion, he posted this: > > "I think there could well be a market for the WW1 French material in our > future Aces & Aircraft sets. A bit like the Aeromaster ones with the > booklets. > I'm working on a Blue Max set at the moment and would consider a French WW1 > set after that." > > I would assume this release would be his "Blue Max" set. And, therefore, > maybe we can look forward to some escadrille markings from Delta in the > future. Unless, of course Bob Pearson beats him to it. > > Marc > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:33:25 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Message-ID: <3B797881000A0051@mail.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) As stated earlier the best way to 'predict' colours from b/w photos is to compare to known colours, and to see how they are affected by the type of film used. Blues come out as light, red as dark in orthochromatic film. Shane Weier has expounded on the specifics of this a few times already. Perhaps Allan or Matt could be persuaded to post this on teh site. Various sources (none of which come immediately to mind) have described the three Fokker F.Is and some of the early Dr.Is as being turquoise overall with olive streaking on the upper surfaces. Later the turquoise was dropped from the upper surfaces and they were left in the familiar CDL with OD streaks. Regards, Bob Pearson Preview my WW1 markings CD http://www.internetmodeler.com/cd-roms/RNP_CD/index.htm ---------- >From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" > I predicted it today, so I took Voss for example. Actually, I wanted to know > ways to determine colours from B&W photos. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:38:20 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: RE: Wrapping Message-ID: Marc graciously: "...forgives Lance and hopes he can get his wrapping fixed..." A forlorn hope, as our corporate help desk says it is everyone else's fault but ours. The documentation offers no recourse, either. It appears to do this only to the digest, right? I guess I'll unsub... hate to irritate Matt! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:54:38 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Message-ID: Dan-San explained his technique to me (which I won't pass on, as I don't know whether he considers it proprietary...but it was something he came up with himself and has used in most of his work so I'll err on the side of caution), and it pretty much made sense. You couldn't be 100% certain, but you could be about 80% certain of the color identification, and that's usually enough in combination with other written sources. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Grzegorz Mazurowski Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 4:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Gaston Graf > It's somewhat funny to see how often this topic is discussed again and again > and how quick we get into it as soon as somebody just dares to whisper the > name "Voss". I predicted it today, so I took Voss for example. Actually, I wanted to know ways to determine colours from B&W photos. Good night, Gaston! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 07:55:14 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" , airlinermodelling@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Queensland Model Hobbies Expo - One week to go! Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD439@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Hi guys, Just a last notice to Australian members about the Queensland Model Hobbies Expo, which this year will be held: 25-26 August Brisbane Table Tennis Association Centre 86 Green Terrace, Windsor Brisbane, Australia All the usual model show features - Trade stands Club Displays Raffles Qld Scale Modelling Championship Demonstrations ..as much modelling talk as you can stand Contest entry forms and further information from myself at sdw[at]qld.mim.com.au (Actually - the show isn't restricted to Aussies, several times in the last 4 years we've had international visitors carrying off armfulls of kits and pocketsfull of awards!) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 07:58:34 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Sopwith Cookup update Message-ID: <3B7C420A.A4838D3D@tac.com.au> Hi all, Well, the news ain't good - I have Marc Flake's Belguim Camels ready for uploading & nbci have turned off uploads :-(( I will try again before I leave and if no luck, will try in the UK sometime over the weekend (I hope). In the meantime, any feedback on hassles accessing the site on nbci would be appreciated. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:08:55 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Saying it again Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD43A@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Rick,Neil, > >We saw 123 new plants (for us) and 5 new birds so we were > >well satisfied. > I usually go on a yearly trip with some > guys to look for reptiles. We risk our lives climbing rock > formations You too blokes should spring for a holiday in Brisbane. No need to climb precipitous slopes, you can risk your lives AND look for reptiles (poisonous snakes mostly) simultaneously in the long grass surrounding the creek opposite my house - with the added bonus that my bird crazy mother says she's counted almost 40 distinct bird species in the area. Survivors welcome to come across the road to my home for a refreshing drink and some modelling talk! ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:13:28 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Queensland Model Hobbies Expo - One week to go! Message-ID: <00f401c126a0$b42c27a0$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> > > Just a last notice to Australian members about the Queensland Model Hobbies > Expo, > (Actually - the show isn't restricted to Aussies, several times in the last > 4 years we've had international visitors carrying off armfulls of kits and > pocketsfull of awards!) > Shane My, that sounds encouraging ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:14:13 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: offlist! RE: Re: Reading the archive request Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD43B@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Diego, > I would rather be on vacations right now! (5ºC and raining here...) Perils of living in the Southern Hemisphere in August old mate. Why, here in Brisbane it's a terrible 18C and cloudless blue skies at 8:10 am looking for a 25C maximum. Ain't midwinter a bind? Sadly, my vacation starts in one week and I may be forced to go outside each day and sit on the beach and look for a few more bird species to report to Neil. (PS - in this mild weather there's no point ornithologically speaking in looking for Blue Tits) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:17:39 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: David Calhoun's W.29 Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD43C@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Brent says: > David Calhoun's W.29 article has been posted on the Roll > Models review site. I had a look at this yesterday (Aussie time) and wondered if it was so new the list hadn't been told. Dave - it's magnificent. Take a bow, but keep your hands in your pockets. El Diego can't be far away Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:13:44 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: offlist! RE: Re: Reading the archive request Message-ID: <3B7C4598.E0109326@tac.com.au> Hi > Perils of living in the Southern Hemisphere in August old mate. Why, here in > Brisbane it's a terrible 18C and cloudless blue skies at 8:10 am looking for > a 25C maximum. Ain't midwinter a bind? aw shuddup - that crack more than makes up for my Collingwood one last week > Sadly, my vacation starts in one week and I may be forced to go outside each > day and sit on the beach and look for a few more bird species to report to > Neil. > > (PS - in this mild weather there's no point ornithologically speaking in > looking for Blue Tits) Why bother looking for em - I have a pair here ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:26:25 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: problems like Voss Dr.I Message-ID: <018f01c126a2$7d3b99e0$0200a8c0@x.pl> Thanks all of you, Friends! I've been asking, because I'm working on Spanish Civil War subjects, which are little like that, but sometimes much more controversial and complex (because of politics). It is not sure, if some types of airplanes were used there, or not. Example is Polikarpow I-153. There is one in Paris museum, even with instrument panel with instructions in Spanish. And even exists film with I-153s in Spanish republican markings. But that particular plane from Paris museum was produced AFTER SC War, captured by Germans and taken to Paris during WWII. And panel is original Spanish, but taken from I-15. And film is propaganda made in Soviet Union. But maybe some examples reached Spain in last months of war? Nice? Maybe opening of the former Soviet archives will help, but it is the future... To Bob: I've previewed your profile page and CD about year ago, at time when I had no direct contact to net. I was contacting net by telephone line and paid for it like for talking (in Poland it is one of the most expensive in Europe). Good job, man!!! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:30:55 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Junkers D.I kit - clarification Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD43D@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Myles, > > Mike West responded that this will be the D.1/J.9 monoplane fighter. Grouse. > Happy for Shane, > less happy for Mike and me ( I still want a J.1/J.4 ) Now to beg and plead with the chancellor of the exchequer. I don't have high hopes. She's running a tax and tax regime, not a tax and spend..... OTOH this is the perfect place to get soem vacrious thrills. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:32:41 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: offlist! RE: Re: Reading the archive request Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD43E@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Lorna !!!! > > (PS - in this mild weather there's no point > > ornithologically speaking in > > looking for Blue Tits) > > Why bother looking for em - I have a pair here ;-) > What the heck could he be talking about ? ;-) (Enjoy your vacation in Blighty you swines) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:33:47 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Queensland Model Hobbies Expo - One week to go! Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD43F@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> SP > My, that sounds encouraging ;-) :-) Don't get your hopes up - it hasn't arrived yet ! Shane (OTOH I'm pretty sure it *will*) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:33:00 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Message-ID: <3B797881000A3EFC@mail.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) Would that be photographing the Methuen with Ortho film and then comparing the results to photos? Doing it that way one could in theory have a better guess as to what colour is what, but the problem with that is getting the exact same lighting conditions. Although I suppose it would allow one to tell relative differences in tone. Bob ---------- >From: "Jay M. Thompson" > Dan-San explained his technique to me (which I won't pass on, as I don't > know whether he considers it proprietary...but it was something he came up > with himself and has used in most of his work so I'll err on the side of > caution), and it pretty much made sense. You couldn't be 100% certain, but > you could be about 80% certain of the color identification, and that's > usually enough in combination with other written sources. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:43:26 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD440@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Jay says: > I was looking at this one carefully the other day, and it's > easy to see why > 56 squadron reported the aircraft as light blue or > blue/green- the streaking > dope seems to have been seriously applied only to the forward > fuselage, with > the rear getting almost no coverage. I'd be very surprised if from a > distance the fuselage at least did not appear more blue than green. Add to this the fact that the aircraft was virtually brand new (as these things go) and the dope was *glossy* Now think how the reflected *sky* would look on the surfaces of the aircraft. Revelation! I don't know how often I've looked at bright reflections on OT aircraft wings and thought to myself only "Yup, glossy dope" What a clod! If the dope on a landed plane is glossy enough to show reflections in which you can identify people and buildings in the background, the dope on a flying plane is surely glossy enough to show the *blue* of the sky (at least, on the occasions when it wasn't cloudy, in which case it'd be the silvery white of clouds maybe?) Mmmmmmmm Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:42:13 -0600 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Odp: Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Message-ID: I am not sure where I read this, but I remember that the 4 F.1s were painted overall Turquoise over the CDL base coat, then the Green was streaked over that. The Turquoise was like a primer overall. On the Dr.1s, they were all covered in CDL, then the Green was streaked over that, with the Turquoise on the lower surfaces only. You can see where the Turquoise comes up about an inch onto the sides of the fuselage in most of the pictures of factory freshly painted Dr.1s. It looks like a mask of sorts was used when the bottom was painted. The effects of Fokker Green over Turquoise or CDL will account for the F.1s looking like they were on the green side of the color and the Dr.1s looking like they were on the brown side of the color, even though both were painted with the same Green paint. John ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3621 **********************