WWI Digest 3620 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Junkers D.I kit - clarification by "Michael Kendix" 2) RE: Imperial German Air service Decals by mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) 3) RE: Wrapping by mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) 4) RE: Humbrol metallic paints by "Gaston Graf" 5) RE: Odp: Special cables was: by "Gaston Graf" 6) Re: David Calhoun's W.29 by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 7) RE: Wrapping by "Lance Krieg" 8) Re: Junkers D.I kit - clarification by "Brent Theobald" 9) Re: offlist! RE: Re: Reading the archive request by "Jay M. Thompson" 10) Re: David Calhoun's W.29 by "Tom Plesha" 11) Re: David Calhoun's W.29 by "Gaston Graf" 12) RE: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) by "Jay M. Thompson" 13) Re: Small Brass Tubing by Jan Vihonen 14) RE: Wrapping by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 15) RE: Wrapping by "Gaston Graf" 16) Re: David Calhoun's W.29 by "Muth & Zulick" 17) Re: Junkers D.I kit - clarification by "Muth & Zulick" 18) RE: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) by "Gaston Graf" 19) Re: steel tubing by Jan Vihonen 20) RE: Munson/Blandford book by "Pedro Soares" 21) Re: book by "Pedro Soares" 22) Re: David Calhoun's W.29 by "Pedro Soares" 23) Re: Junkers D.I kit - clarification by "Rick Milas" 24) Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 25) Re: Humbrol metallic paints by Jan Vihonen 26) Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) by "Gaston Graf" 27) Odp: RE: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 28) Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) by Jan Vihonen 29) RE: Cool Shirt by "Ray Boorman" 30) Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) by "Steven Perry" 31) Odp: Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:52:56 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Junkers D.I kit - clarification Message-ID: >From: "Brent Theobald" >However, while I was at the Nats I did look over one from the old >batch. It had a lot of tiny holes in the corrugated wings. These looked >really hard to fix. To fill these sorts of things, like wing root seams and so on, I have been using Squadron White Putty, allowing it to dry and then wiping/rubbing away the excess with nail polish remover. The NPR doesn't seem to affect plastic, though it does take off paint. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:12:19 -0500 From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Imperial German Air service Decals Message-ID: Matt: Back in February you and I were trying to get Glenn Ashley (at http://www.mycbsite.com/deltapub/discussion/index.nhtml?profile=discussion) interested in doing French escadrille markings. In response to your suggestion, he posted this: "I think there could well be a market for the WW1 French material in our future Aces & Aircraft sets. A bit like the Aeromaster ones with the booklets. I'm working on a Blue Max set at the moment and would consider a French WW1 set after that." I would assume this release would be his "Blue Max" set. And, therefore, maybe we can look forward to some escadrille markings from Delta in the future. Unless, of course Bob Pearson beats him to it. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:16:23 -0500 From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Wrapping Message-ID: I can rattle of a list of names on one hand of people whose text does not wrap. Fortunately, Netscape allows me the option to "Wrap Long Lines." But I usually don't realize I have to do this until I get part of the way through the digest. When I reset, the defalut sends me all the way back to the beginning. Then I have to scroll back down to were I was ready when I came across the unwrapped text . . . cursing the hapless postee whose text caused my discomfiture. I would think your ears would be burning by now. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:32:34 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Humbrol metallic paints Message-ID: Yuk - that was me! Thanks for the info, Nigel. Will see to find them at an online store. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > Hi all, > > Somebody asked a while back if Humbrol "buffing" metallic paints > were still > available. Yes they are, but only in four colours - matt and polished alu, > gunmetal and polished steel (I believe they used to do more). > They work very > nicely (using them on my Nie 17 cowl and side inspection panels). The > product name is Metalcote. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:34:55 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Odp: Special cables was: Message-ID: No, not the control cables, but the rigging. Two strings crossed like an X. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > Hi! > If I've understood correctly your question, that cables are simply pushing > cables of the airlons. (my English is poor here, but I hope you > understand...). > Grzegorz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gaston Graf > > > Speaking about rigging: Does anybody know why the Fok. Dr1 had these > strange > > looking cables installed between the inner struts? > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:35:00 EDT From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: David Calhoun's W.29 Message-ID: <10f.3e26f2f.28ad7a64@aol.com> Excellent article, David, with a lot of good tips. It will be a big help whenever I get to my W.29. VBR, Mike Kavanaugh In a message dated Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:49:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Brent Theobald" writes: > Howdy folks! > > David Calhoun's W.29 article has been posted on the Roll Models review site. > If you are interested in seeing it go to: > > http://www.rollmodels.net/reviews/aircraft/48/w29/w29.htm > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:36:54 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: RE: Wrapping Message-ID: I've followed this thread with interest, since I am one of the culprits. I have periodically tried to find ways to correct this in Groupwise 5.5, but without success. Anyone with advice to offer, feel free to contact me off-list. Until then, I'll try short paragraphs. Or hit the carriage return, just like a typewriter! Please advise. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:47:37 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Junkers D.I kit - clarification Message-ID: Howdy! Michael, that is a very good method for using putty. My point is that I really didn't want to have to putty the whole surface of the wing. Which is what would need to be done. All those peaks and valleys of the corrigated wing would have driven me nuts. (Of course I'm only walking distance away. No need to drive.) Later! Brent "Recently a boy in Washington D.C. was suspended from school for prayer. Apparently the school supplied him with condoms and he was praying for a chance to use them." >From: "Michael Kendix" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: Junkers D.I kit - clarification >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:57:16 -0400 (EDT) > > >From: "Brent Theobald" > >However, while I was at the Nats I did look over one from the old > >batch. It had a lot of tiny holes in the corrugated wings. These looked > >really hard to fix. > >To fill these sorts of things, like wing root seams and so on, I have been >using Squadron White Putty, allowing it to dry and then wiping/rubbing >away >the excess with nail polish remover. The NPR doesn't seem to affect >plastic, though it does take off paint. > >Michael > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:55:14 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: offlist! RE: Re: Reading the archive request Message-ID: Or you could come to Tulsa "By God" (tm) Oklahoma, where until yesterday it has been above 98 degrees every day for six straight weeks, and hadn't rained a drop in over two months... -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of David Fleming Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 10:42 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: offlist! RE: Re: Reading the archive request Shane & Lorna Jenkins wrote: > dfernet0 wrote: > > > I would rather be on vacations right now! (5ºC and raining here...) > > Regardssssssss > > So, this isn't the time to say that we're flying out to the UK in a few > hours then ;-) > > S & L Depends where you are going - here in Scotland it's bright and sunny, inthe South (Bath anyway) it's wet and raining ! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:49:42 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: David Calhoun's W.29 Message-ID: <001b01c1268c$97de74e0$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi David- Very nice aircraft and review. Thanks Tom S.E.MI. > In a message dated Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:49:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Brent Theobald" writes: > > > Howdy folks! > > > > David Calhoun's W.29 article has been posted on the Roll Models review site. > > If you are interested in seeing it go to: > > > > http://www.rollmodels.net/reviews/aircraft/48/w29/w29.htm > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:53:26 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Re: David Calhoun's W.29 Message-ID: Ditto from this side of the big moist. And it's a wonderful model also! Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > Excellent article, David, with a lot of good tips. It will be a > big help whenever I get to my W.29. > > VBR, > Mike Kavanaugh > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:01:03 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Message-ID: Light blue, according to what I know. Take a look at : http://www.geocities.com/wwiaero/images/DR1_103_17.jpg I was looking at this one carefully the other day, and it's easy to see why 56 squadron reported the aircraft as light blue or blue/green- the streaking dope seems to have been seriously applied only to the forward fuselage, with the rear getting almost no coverage. I'd be very surprised if from a distance the fuselage at least did not appear more blue than green. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Grzegorz Mazurowski Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:56 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Hi all! Very unpopular question (at first look only): What was the color of (guess what? No, not cowling!), but the upper surfaces fabric UNDER the olive streaks? OK? Is that question allowed on list? Truely, I don't wanto to ask for colour of anything on Voss Foker, but about sources of knowledge about it. To be precise: I know that many sources gives that it was blue (like underwing, but are somewhere real proofs that it was not CDL? I'm asking, because in Dr.I Monography in Polish 'Lotnictwo Wojskowe' (military aviation) magazine is quoted 56th sq pilot who said that he met 6th sept. 1917 over Houthulst forest formation of Pfalz planes and two German triplanes, one of them yellow and brown. That yellow I'wont discuss, but brown suggests that it was olive over CDL rather than over blue. What do you think? That's it Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:59:40 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Small Brass Tubing Message-ID: <3B7C262C.A460AD60@helsinki.fi> Ken wrote: the return = > address on the envelope I received from the company back in '91 says = > "Hobby HangEr." Perhaps the misspelling of their own name contributed to = > their demise? Lol. That's a feasible theory for your not finding them any more. ;-) Jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:03:21 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: RE: Wrapping Message-ID: <00d101c1268e$81022ee0$0200a8c0@x.pl> Does my messages wrapping or not? TIA for answer Grzegorz ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Krieg To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:40 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: Wrapping > I've followed this thread with interest, since I am one of the culprits. > > I have periodically tried to find ways to correct this in Groupwise 5.5, but without success. > > Anyone with advice to offer, feel free to contact me off-list. > > Until then, I'll try short paragraphs. > > Or hit the carriage return, just like a typewriter! > > Please advise. > > Lance > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:59:53 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Wrapping Message-ID: No prob here with Outlook2000! Gaston > > > Does my messages wrapping or not? > TIA for answer > Grzegorz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:03:38 -0400 From: "Muth & Zulick" To: Subject: Re: David Calhoun's W.29 Message-ID: <006901c1268e$8c13bd80$0100005a@ptd.net> Let me add a big "me too" to all the favorable comments. I had major prpoblems getting my engine to go into the fuselage...and fitting the radiator onto the front after was beyond my abilities to make look correct. Back on the list again after more email disasters ;-)) Mike Muth nb: Bristol Scout by Gavia ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday,August 16,2001 3:38 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: David Calhoun's W.29 > Excellent article, David, with a lot of good tips. It will be a big help whenever I get to my W.29. > > VBR, > Mike Kavanaugh > > In a message dated Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:49:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Brent Theobald" writes: > > > Howdy folks! > > > > David Calhoun's W.29 article has been posted on the Roll Models review site. > > If you are interested in seeing it go to: > > > > http://www.rollmodels.net/reviews/aircraft/48/w29/w29.htm > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:05:38 -0400 From: "Muth & Zulick" To: Subject: Re: Junkers D.I kit - clarification Message-ID: <006f01c1268e$d23b55c0$0100005a@ptd.net> Michael No adverse effects? I have to use some putty or something on the Bristol's wings tonight and you method appeals to me....seems idiot proof. Mike Muth To fill these sorts of things, like wing root seams and so on, I have been > >using Squadron White Putty, allowing it to dry and then wiping/rubbing > >away > >the excess with nail polish remover. The NPR doesn't seem to affect > >plastic, though it does take off paint. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:03:44 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Message-ID: The same picture can be found in the Windsock Datafile Special. Carl Timm is in the cockpit, iIrc. The basic color was turquoise, overpainted in streaky olive. The cowl was olive too, at least on THIS picture. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > Light blue, according to what I know. Take a look at : > > http://www.geocities.com/wwiaero/images/DR1_103_17.jpg > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:08:24 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: steel tubing Message-ID: <3B7C2838.784D98B8@helsinki.fi> > An alternative tubing is Minemica steel tubing. I have acquired tubing as > small as .5 mm o.d./ .020 thou o.d. with an i.d. of approximately .005 thou. Oh well. Since I already started on this spell chacking thing I might as well continue here (And step on the path of becoming the most hated person around here. But then I am a philologist by training and we philologists are used to it. ;-)) I think you meant to say "Minimeca". As far as I know, this Spanish product is excellent and comes in conveniently short lengths (couple of centimetres) ready for many uses. At least you are spared from the chore of cutting them from the longer tube. Jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:08:44 +0100 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: RE: Munson/Blandford book Message-ID: <00c501c1268f$41637360$3e090dd5@pc1> thanks Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:17 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Munson/Blandford book > Yes wonderful, but only as inspiration, it's all pretty > outdated now. I have most of the series and I still enjoy > looking through them. I'm afraid my favorite is Airliners > 1920-1939, but the two WW1 books are also well thumbed. > Which makes me wonder, shouldn't there be two books, > Fighters 1914-1918 and Bombers 1914-1918, perhaps we are > not talking about the same book? Or was there an earlier > version? > /Neil > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pedro Soares [mailto:pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt] > > Sent: den 15 augusti 2001 21:50 > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WWI] book > > > > > > Keneth Munson: Aircraft of World War 1 > > > > Is this any good? > > > > TIA > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:09:05 +0100 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: book Message-ID: <00cb01c1268f$4d786840$3e090dd5@pc1> Thanks Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Cox To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 7:54 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: book > I presume this is the Ian Allan book? > Regards > Steve > > nb > =========================================== > steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html > If I didn't spend so much time on line > << I'd get some models finished > ================ > > > From: "Pedro Soares" > > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:49:59 -0400 (EDT) > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WWI] book > > > > Keneth Munson: Aircraft of World War 1 > > > > Is this any good? > > > > TIA > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:12:07 +0100 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: David Calhoun's W.29 Message-ID: <00d101c1268f$ba28cf20$3e090dd5@pc1> Wow. Well done David. Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Brent Theobald To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 4:51 PM Subject: [WWI] David Calhoun's W.29 > Howdy folks! > > David Calhoun's W.29 article has been posted on the Roll Models review site. > If you are interested in seeing it go to: > > http://www.rollmodels.net/reviews/aircraft/48/w29/w29.htm > > David, please contact me. > > Later! > > Brent > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:17:43 -0500 From: "Rick Milas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Junkers D.I kit - clarification Message-ID: Thanks in advance for planning to check out the kit. I'd be interested in it but not if it has problems that are too difficult to fix, especially if it has a high price too. Rick Milas >From: "Brent Theobald" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: Junkers D.I kit - clarification >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:41:55 -0400 (EDT) > >Howdy! > >Ya'll know I hate to rain on people's parades...but... > >I would urge a little caution with this kit. I haven't seen any of the new >batch. However, while I was at the Nats I did look over one from the old >batch. It had a lot of tiny holes in the corrugated wings. These looked >really hard to fix. I'll see Mike in a couple of weeks. I'll let ya'll know >how the new one looks. > >Thanks! > >Brent > > >From: Myles Miller > >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: [WWI] Re: Junkers D.I kit - clarification > >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:34:57 -0400 (EDT) > > > > >From: Shane Weier > > >To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" > > >Subject: Re: From rec.models.scale - Junkers D.I > > > > > > >> Lone Star produced kits for both aircraft, and both are OOP. > > >> Maybe Mike K. > > >> heard correctly, in that Mr. West isn't going to produce the J.1(J.4) > > >> biplane. However, he has gone ahead and reissued the D.1/J.9 > > >> monoplane kit. > > > > >If that's the case - I'm happy since that's the one *I* want. > > > > > >Mike K., Shane, et al. --- > > > >Mike West responded that this will be the D.1/J.9 monoplane fighter. > > > >Happy for Shane, > >less happy for Mike and me ( I still want a J.1/J.4 ) > > > >Myles > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:30:00 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Message-ID: <010d01c12692$3bc91880$0200a8c0@x.pl> > The basic color was turquoise, OK, OK, but why you are so sure? Photo is black and white. I don't argue, I only want to know how to determine things like that. Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:29:49 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Humbrol metallic paints Message-ID: <3B7C2D3D.BC95185@helsinki.fi> Nigel wrote: > Somebody asked a while back if Humbrol "buffing" metallic paints were still > available. Yes they are, but only in four colours - matt and polished alu, > gunmetal and polished steel (I believe they used to do more). There were. At least semigloss Gold and Semigloss Bronze. FWIW. Jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:30:23 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Message-ID: Because I have read descriptions of the aircraft in various books. But you never can be 100% sure. Gaston > > > The basic color was turquoise, > OK, OK, but why you are so sure? Photo is black and white. > I don't argue, I only want to know how to determine things like that. > Grzegorz > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:39:14 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Odp: RE: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Message-ID: <011d01c12693$84043200$0200a8c0@x.pl> ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay M. Thompson > 56 squadron reported the aircraft as light blue or blue/green In article I quoted aircraft was reported as "brown and yellow" Why? Is that fake? Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:38:28 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Message-ID: <3B7C2F44.EE9A5C0F@helsinki.fi> IIRC, someone posted a link some time ago to a site where there were allegedly original piece of fabric from the Voss' F.1 (sorry, not a single fragment of the cowl) and a scribbled contemporary description of the planes paintwork. Not very helpful but there is hope, methinks. Jan > > The basic color was turquoise, > OK, OK, but why you are so sure? Photo is black and white. > I don't argue, I only want to know how to determine things like that. > Grzegorz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:38:40 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Cool Shirt Message-ID: <7ACA7BC27DFF1514BB6A30B052BA2D54@Ray_B.prontomail.com> Diego wrote, >#5: Due to age and the effects of gravity, today Bristol City would >have >been a ghost town or a ruin like Ypres in 1917. Ah but remember Ypres was restored like new in fact ;0) Ray ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:46:08 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Message-ID: <00bb01c12694$7b41a700$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> > > The basic color was turquoise, > OK, OK, but why you are so sure? Photo is black and white. > I don't argue, I only want to know how to determine things like that. Grzegorz: One technique is to compare the gray shade in the B&W photo with a known color such as the national markings. Not applicable in every case, but it can be useful. In the case of the photo http://www.geocities.com/wwiaero/images/DR1_103_17.jpg My take on it is that it isn't white because the white rudder is much lighter. It also probably isn't CDL because the struts are the same gray shade as the unstreaked portions of the fuselage. The struts are obviously painted and since they didn't "paint" things CDL, I lean toward the turquoise base color which on ortho film would come out light as in the photo. That's how I look at it. sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:55:04 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Odp: Re: Voss Dr.I (don't kill me!) Message-ID: <014401c12695$bcf15640$0200a8c0@x.pl> Hi! This would be the proof I want, but... I've found it on http://www.geocities.com/aw3aw3/Rosebud/vossre.jpg but in a 'fake' section. From: Jan Vihonen > IIRC, someone posted a link some time ago to a site where there were > allegedly original piece of fabric from the Voss' F.1 (sorry, not a > single fragment of the cowl) and a scribbled contemporary description of > the planes paintwork. > > Not very helpful but there is hope, methinks. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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