WWI Digest 3615 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Of to a good start by "P. Howard" 2) RE: Painted Rigging by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 3) Re: Nieuport clones: SSW D.I by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 4) Re: Of to a good start by "Steven Perry" 5) Re: More List Help by MAnde72343@aol.com 6) Cool Shirt by "Graham Hunter" 7) Re: A Total LooneyBay Idiot by ibs4421@commandnet.net 8) Re: A Total LooneyBay Idiot by "dfernet0" 9) RE: Cool Shirt by "dfernet0" 10) RE: Painted Rigging by "dfernet0" 11) Techniques Question by David Fleming 12) Re: A Total LooneyBay Idiot by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 13) Re: A Total LooneyBay Idiot by David Fleming 14) RE: Techniques Question by Crawford Neil 15) RE: Cool Shirt by Crawford Neil 16) Re: A Total LooneyBay Idiot by Crawford Neil 17) Re: Cool Shirt by "Rick Milas" 18) RE: Techniques Question by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 19) RE: Cool Shirt by "dfernet0" 20) Streaky Fokker Finish by mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) 21) Re: A Total LooneyBay Idiot by "dfernet0" 22) More assundries by Matt Bittner 23) Even More by Matt Bittner 24) Re: Looking for a kit by "Lance Krieg" 25) RE: Techniques Question by Crawford Neil 26) Re: A Total LooneyBay Idiot by Ray Boorman 27) Re: A Total LooneyBay Idiot by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 28) RE: Cool Shirt by Ray Boorman 29) Siemens D.I by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 30) RE: Techniques Question by "dfernet0" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:13:12 -0500 From: "P. Howard" To: Subject: Re: Of to a good start Message-ID: <001501c12540$b9b58420$6e9d8ece@phoward> Steve, I really depends on how anal you want to get, and if you think the plans in applicable refences are accurate. Believe it or not, when I started the kit several years ago, the best side view drawing to the D.1 was on the kit instructions. Scaled to the proper size, it looked more like the photos I'd seen than any other plans. The ones in the FMP book are probably second best, with all others I've seen somewhat lacking. IMHO, the nose of the kit is too close to the same line as the rear deck on the fuselage. It should slant slightly downward from just forward of the cockpit to the nose. How this correction will affect the fit of the kit parts is an unknown, as I haven't tried them yet. Also the rear fuselage has too much curvature in the upper deck to match most pictures I've seen. The kit is intended to represent a Phonix built machine, but they don't have the severe curvature that the HB built machines sometimes had. Next, the position of the horizontal stabilizers appears different than what photos I've seen show, but the depth fuselage sides would need to be altered to make things much better... The cockpit opening is a little off, but not too hard to fix. For a lot of people, these changes would be way too much effort for too little a difference. They are just my observations, and should not be seen as anything other than just my opinion. I don't have a finished D.I on my shelf, and a lot of other people probably do, so take a look and see what you think. I'd be very interested in hearing about the project either way. Cheers, Paul H -----Original Message----- From: Steven Perry To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 12:02 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Of to a good start >> What, if anything do you have planned in reshaping the fuselage? > >Paul >I wasn't aware the fuselage needed correcting. What needs doing? > >Keep us posted with the play by play >> if you don't mind. > >Well so far only the gun coffin. All scratched except for an Aero Club gun >and a PE ammo belt. >Photos at: >http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sperry03/gun.htm >sp > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 00:19:24 -0400 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Painted Rigging Message-ID: <3B79F84C.5DEC15F2@mars.ark.com> Some of the early Nieuport monoplanes used stranded wired but RAF wire and its French counterpart were solid cables. In any case if it is flexing much it probably isn't doing its job and it is likely to fail. Mike F. Eli Geher wrote: > > At 10:22 AM 8/14/01 -0400, dfernet0 wrote: > >I've been thinking about these rigging issues... the wires itselves are a > >"braided" bunch of steel wires, wich should be able to flex and still > >strong. > > I may well be losing my memory, but I can't recall ever seeing stranded > wire used for airplane rigging. Stranded cable is certainly used for > control runs, but all the fixed rigging I can recall was of large diameter > solid wire. I don't know if this really affects the discussion, but its > sure confusing to me. Can anyone clarify this? > > Eli Geher ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 00:29:51 -0400 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport clones: SSW D.I Message-ID: <3B79FABF.230BDBEB@mars.ark.com> >From what I can tell it was based on the 17, but with a smaller wing even than the 11... Later machines had the wing enlarged, with some prototypes supposedly having significantly longer wings even than the 17. All the drawings seem to be of the later type with the modified skid and larger wings. The ones with the curved skid seem to have the smaller wings. The fuselage seems to be a better match for the 17 but the difference is negligable. (10 cm full scale) Mike F. Grzegorz Mazurowski wrote: > > Thanks all of you for help, but if somebody followed that thread, he can > imagine, how difficult problem is. > Actually, I've got no new info, and all I've got, is still contradictory. > Somebody adviced me to make SSW D.I out of Nieuport 11, and some other - of > Nieu. 17. > I simply cannot choose who of you are more credible.... > My main problem is Siemens' wingspan, if it is close to Nie. 11 or 17. > Fuselage is easy to convert from both Nieuports. > I know many sources, and they are CONTRADICTORY. > So at last I've decided to make Siemens D.I out of Toko Nie.11, which is > available and cheap, and let Revell Nieu. 17 to be Nieu. 17, If only I get > it. > Greetings > Grzegorz > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 00:46:07 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Of to a good start Message-ID: <000801c12545$33dbd2a0$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> Thanks Paul I noticed the curvature on the rear decking. I'll have a good squizzy at all the photos I have with your notes in hand. I'm doing mine with the engine cover removed, so I'm not sure how much of an issue the front decking slope will be. Since I'll be performing surgery on the cowl and thinning the cockpit sides , any other fuselage alterations can happen then. I've got the bench cleaned up and a few parts laid out but nothing other than the gun coffin done. So now is the time to decide what needs doing. Thanks again sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:14:34 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: More List Help Message-ID: <105.7c5caef.28ab5f3a@aol.com> Brent, that Sign kit is a stinker, not as bad as the old Beechnut kit, but not much better, if you're remembering the one I did a while back, that was no "slammer", and most of the parts were after market or heavily re worked. FWIW Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 02:27:38 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: "WWI List (E-mail)" Subject: Cool Shirt Message-ID: <002a01c1255b$c35eb4e0$fa0101c0@grahamh> I was working tonight (Guess Who concert) and I saw this guy wearing a shirt with biplanes printed all over it. So after chasing him down and getting a closer look I discovered that it was mostly WWI aircraft printed on the shirt. I noticed a Spad (VII or XIII), Sopwith Pup, Bristol Scout, and a bunch more. I'd say there were close to 50 different AC on the shirt. So I asked him were he got it and his wife said it was a free shirt from SuperValu (which is a grocery chain in Canada). SV has coupons in their weekly flyer if you spend X$ you get this shirt (or whatever) free. This was one of the shirts last year. Any way I am going to contact SV and see if they have any left. I will let the list know how many I can scrounge. The only bad thing is that it is a golf shirt ;-) Graham ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 04:18:20 -0500 From: ibs4421@commandnet.net To: Subject: Re: A Total LooneyBay Idiot Message-ID: <000d01c1256b$3b2e4120$233dfad1@esther> Gee, I have this bridge in Brooklyn.............. > ---------Bob > > Bob, Would it go like this: WOW!! LOOK!!! AWESOME!!!! 1/48th SCALE BRIDGE IN NY!!!!! NO RESERVE!!!!! Of course he could be a multi-scaler. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:29:14 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Re: A Total LooneyBay Idiot Message-ID: <007a01c12575$21c75f00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Warren tempted me to go on... (sorry fellers this has little OT so you can delete the message right away) > Would it go like this: > > WOW!! LOOK!!! AWESOME!!!! 1/48th SCALE BRIDGE IN NY!!!!! NO RESERVE!!!!! Antique bridge pre-assembled, all metal, ultra rare WW1 period and before structure, used FOR REAL by a multitude of tommies commuting for work before and after the great war. General Black Jack Pershing drove on it once -garanteed-. German steel, manufactured by Krupp, evil creator of the famous german trench mortars. On the base, there's crusted mud from the river, exact replica of that worn by all soldiers on the Flanders salient. Ready for display. No batteries required D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:34:05 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Cool Shirt Message-ID: <008201c12575$ced5bd40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Hunter > I was working tonight (Guess Who concert) and I saw this guy wearing a shirt > with biplanes printed all over it. Some months ago I saw a lady who was wearing a blouse with fabric patterned with a light sepia motif. When I looked more carefully, I saw that the motif were a sort of "collage" of newspaper clippings in french, with news of the Santos Dumont flights, pictures of old Farman biplane designs, zeppelins and moustached aviators. Unfortunately I didn't asked her where she got it, as would have looked akward, ain't it? D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:40:27 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Painted Rigging Message-ID: <00a801c12576$b28f7800$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Eli I remember the original Bleriot hanging on the Buenos Aires avition museum and it has stranded wires for the wings and solid for the undercarriage rigging. Maybe as this plane was a wing-flexing machine the flying wires also doubled as control wires?? The wires were flat black, but as the plane was hanging quite high I can't recall if they were so because it were painted black or just greased and dirty. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eli Geher To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 1:04 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Painted Rigging > At 10:22 AM 8/14/01 -0400, dfernet0 wrote: > >I've been thinking about these rigging issues... the wires itselves are a > >"braided" bunch of steel wires, wich should be able to flex and still > >strong. > > I may well be losing my memory, but I can't recall ever seeing stranded > wire used for airplane rigging. Stranded cable is certainly used for > control runs, but all the fixed rigging I can recall was of large diameter > solid wire. I don't know if this really affects the discussion, but its > sure confusing to me. Can anyone clarify this? > > Eli Geher > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:07:34 +0100 From: David Fleming To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Techniques Question Message-ID: <3B7A57F6.FF1D501F@dial.pipex.com> I recently dug out a long term major conversion project that had been sitting dormant for 4 years, and figured maybe the list could help. It's an ot aeroplane, but the subject of my query has OT applications. The conversion subject has a fabric covered fuselage, over longerons (not unlike the Morane Bullets, or ot, the Vickers Wellington or Hawker Hurricane). The conversion is from a monoplane to a biplane configuration, and this involves filling and restoring certain areas of the fuselage to a 'fabric' covered appearance. So, my question is, any ideas as to how to restore the appearance ? I can think of a few; 1) reskin the entire fuselage - I don't fancy this , as the shape is quite complicates 2) Fill to just below the surface, glue on plastic card longerons and fill the gaps with milliput smoothed down to give a taught fabric appearance 3) sand off all the detail, then restore with HS strip, like Alberto does on Nieuport wings. Any ideas gratefully received Dave PS - extra brownie points for anyone who can correctly guess the subject matter. Only clue is that it's British !! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:51:09 EDT From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: A Total LooneyBay Idiot Message-ID: <67.18b1be8d.28abca3d@aol.com> If I won $40-50 million in the lottery, I couldn't think of a better way of generating some consternation among some wwi listees or OT hobbyists. :-) Mike Kavanaugh Whose retirement plan is largely based on a super lottery win. . . . it seems to be falling behind schedule. :-(( ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:49:32 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: A Total LooneyBay Idiot Message-ID: <3B7A6FDB.46E798C@dial.pipex.com> CoolSpadLuke@aol.com wrote: > If I won $40-50 million in the lottery, I couldn't think of a better way of generating some consternation among some wwi listees or OT hobbyists. :-) I'd pay for 1/72nd scale SPAD VII/XII and Nieuport moulds, and only sell them with RFC markings !! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:13:01 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Techniques Question Message-ID: I've had this problem occasionally, and I agree that re-skinning is not an atractive proposition, even though St.Harry says you can, by using a spoon to give the plasticard a double curvature. On my DH4A rear cabin I used your idea no.2, I glued on strue longerons and filled between with Squadron white putty, because the putty is softer than the plastic it was very (too) easy to sand it so that it looks like saggy fabric. I think milliput might be a little hard for the job. On the rear fuselage of my GeeBee I used the other old traditional method of rolling sandpaper, and just sand out the grooves, that worked better, but was harder work. And for the Brownie points, I guess at a slip-wing Hurricane, but I suppose that's too easy, after all you did mention the Hurricane. /Neil C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:16:57 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Cool Shirt Message-ID: I keep getting this image of a guy carrying a finger-chopper going around staring at ladys blouses, you can get arrested for that sort of thing;-) /Neil C > > Some months ago I saw a lady who was wearing a blouse with > fabric patterned > with a light sepia motif. When I looked more carefully, I saw > that the motif > were a sort of "collage" of newspaper clippings in french, > with news of the > Santos Dumont flights, pictures of old Farman biplane > designs, zeppelins and > moustached aviators. Unfortunately I didn't asked her where > she got it, as > would have looked akward, ain't it? > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:20:36 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: A Total LooneyBay Idiot Message-ID: ROTFL but still capable of nit-picking, weren't tommies english (or british?) It would have been doughboys using that bridge I think? Doesn't lower the value of it as an artifact though:-) /Neil C > -----Original Message----- > From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: den 15 augusti 2001 12:27 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: A Total LooneyBay Idiot > > > Warren tempted me to go on... (sorry fellers this has little > OT so you can > delete the message right away) > > > Would it go like this: > > > > WOW!! LOOK!!! AWESOME!!!! 1/48th SCALE BRIDGE IN NY!!!!! > NO RESERVE!!!!! > Antique bridge pre-assembled, all metal, ultra rare WW1 > period and before > structure, used FOR REAL by a multitude of tommies commuting > for work before > and after the great war. General Black Jack Pershing drove on it > once -garanteed-. German steel, manufactured by Krupp, evil > creator of the > famous german trench mortars. On the base, there's crusted > mud from the > river, exact replica of that worn by all soldiers on the > Flanders salient. > Ready for display. No batteries required > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:30:37 -0500 From: "Rick Milas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Cool Shirt Message-ID: Hey Graham, if you can get more of these shirts, I'd be interested in one. Rick Milas >From: "Graham Hunter" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Cool Shirt >Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 03:29:18 -0400 (EDT) > >I was working tonight (Guess Who concert) and I saw this guy wearing a >shirt >with biplanes printed all over it. So after chasing him down and getting a >closer look I discovered that it was mostly WWI aircraft printed on the >shirt. I noticed a Spad (VII or XIII), Sopwith Pup, Bristol Scout, and a >bunch more. I'd say there were close to 50 different AC on the shirt. So I >asked him were he got it and his wife said it was a free shirt from >SuperValu (which is a grocery chain in Canada). SV has coupons in their >weekly flyer if you spend X$ you get this shirt (or whatever) free. This >was >one of the shirts last year. Any way I am going to contact SV and see if >they have any left. I will let the list know how many I can scrounge. The >only bad thing is that it is a golf shirt ;-) >Graham > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:00:10 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: RE: Techniques Question Message-ID: <997884010.3b7a806ae799f@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Crawford Neil : > I've had this problem occasionally, and I agree that re-skinning > is not an atractive proposition, even though St.Harry says you can, > by using a spoon to give the plasticard a double curvature. I think this fuselage is too complicated even for that !! > On my DH4A rear cabin I used your idea no.2, I glued on strue longerons > and filled between with Squadron white putty, because the putty is > softer > than the plastic it was very (too) easy to sand it so that it looks like > saggy fabric. I think milliput might be a little hard for the job. I was thinking of smoothing down the milliput 'wet', & maybe using the 'white' version. > On the rear fuselage of my GeeBee I used the other old traditional > method > of rolling sandpaper, and just sand out the grooves, that worked > better, > but was harder work. > that sounds possible, mmmmm > And for the Brownie points, I guess at a slip-wing Hurricane, but I > suppose that's too easy, after all you did mention the Hurricane. Far too easy !! It's actually quite an obscure one !! Dave BTW Welcome back - hope you had a good break. No SPAD cook ups while you were away !! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:54:21 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Cool Shirt Message-ID: <025401c12591$c93899e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Welcome back Neil! I missed your messages a lot every morning. In fact I didn't asked because a lot of policemen were chasing me at the time. D. in a Keystone mood today ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil > I keep getting this image of a guy carrying a finger-chopper > going around staring at ladys blouses, you can get arrested > for that sort of thing;-) > /Neil C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:51:49 -0500 From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Streaky Fokker Finish Message-ID: Warren: Take a look at the Voss F.1 about five models down. This is how I like my streaky finish to look. I have seen alot of other variations. I describe the technique on the page, but I left out the fact that I applied a coat of clear gloss over the turquois. What this does is prevent the green from adhereing to the undercoat. The green is applied wet and continually brushed until the right streakiness is acheived. I'm sure there are other techniques that provide different results, but this "looks right" to me. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:04:58 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Re: A Total LooneyBay Idiot Message-ID: <026201c12593$44ea23a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Well, Neil! I'm starting to feel feed up with your nitpicking! ;-) The tommies I referred to were: Tommy Gillian Tommy Simpson Tommy (Tomás) Valdez Tommy Jones Tommy Sullivan Tommy Selleck Tommy Richards Tommy Williams Tommy Robertson Tommy Mussgorski Tommy Drucker Tommy Giuliano Tommy Paxton etc. etc. etc. I can give you the whole list off list, if you want ;-) Some of them were doughboys, of course. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil > ROTFL but still capable of nit-picking, weren't tommies > english (or british?) It would have been doughboys using > that bridge I think? Doesn't lower the value of it as an > artifact though:-) > /Neil C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:00:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: More assundries Message-ID: <20010815140040.75482.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Looks like I'm staying in Ohio until Friday. I won't be back until late Friday afternoon. There's just too much to do here to go back (if only I had a month or two...). FWIW, I started an SSW D.I conversion using the *ESCI* Nie.17. Since the fuselage is too short for an accurate Nie.17, it works great into an SSW D.I. Keep in mind that the upper wing on the D.I is a lot different than the Nieuport. The center section remained "straight", while the outer wings had the sweepback. There were at least two kits released of the D.I - one by Meikraft, and the other by another company (can't recall the name, although it's on my French pages on the site in the Nieuport section) that was distributed by Merlin. Believe it or not, the Meikraft kit is very nice and worth tracking down. It's difficult to see that Shane has good ideas, especially after that comment he made about French aircraft. ;-) I'm going through modeling withdrawal! I so want to finish the SA.2, but won't get back to it until later this week. Ah well, at least I'm able to help my parent's out... Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:03:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Even More Message-ID: <20010815140302.95973.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Warren, the book _Narrow Gauge to No Man's Land_ is wonderful. One of these days I've been wanting to build something in HOn30. Quite wonderful. About Ebay - I've had two successful "wins" in the past: Like Warren said, a TC Berg Nie.11 for $10 (it originally came out at $35) and the Bruce Fighters Vol.5 for $15. Lucky? No doubt, but they were wins none the less. :-) Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:07:49 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Looking for a kit Message-ID: sp is: "...looking for an Airfix 1/72 Fokker Dr.1 kit." Actually, I just mailed a built Revell 1/72nd to Warren, using the Preferred Perry Packing Panacea. He didn't really want it, so maybe he can send it on to you? Warren? Unless you're insisting on Airfix, of course... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:12:35 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Techniques Question Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com [mailto:xtv16@dial.pipex.com] > Sent: den 15 augusti 2001 15:42 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] RE: Techniques Question > > > > Quoting Crawford Neil : > > > I've had this problem occasionally, and I agree that re-skinning > > is not an atractive proposition, even though St.Harry says you can, > > by using a spoon to give the plasticard a double curvature. > > I think this fuselage is too complicated even for that !! My personal opinion is that any fuselage is too complicated for that method, (ie. rubbing the plasticard with a spoon against your palm), has anyone apart from St. Harry ever succeeded? > > > On my DH4A rear cabin I used your idea no.2, I glued on > strue longerons > > and filled between with Squadron white putty, because the putty is > > softer > > than the plastic it was very (too) easy to sand it so that > it looks like > > saggy fabric. I think milliput might be a little hard for the job. > > I was thinking of smoothing down the milliput 'wet', & maybe > using the 'white' > version. That sounds like a really good idea, I'll try that myself next time. > > > On the rear fuselage of my GeeBee I used the other old traditional > > method > > of rolling sandpaper, and just sand out the grooves, that worked > > better, > > but was harder work. > > > > that sounds possible, mmmmm > > > And for the Brownie points, I guess at a slip-wing Hurricane, but I > > suppose that's too easy, after all you did mention the Hurricane. > > Far too easy !! It's actually quite an obscure one !! > Dave > > BTW Welcome back - hope you had a good break. No SPAD cook > ups while you were > away !! Thanks, I did see the Nieuport cook-up, it was amazing. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:08:19 -0700 From: Ray Boorman To: , Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: A Total LooneyBay Idiot Message-ID: <20010815151217.UEPY22609.priv-edtnes11-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray> D you forgot the infamous clause "MISB" for those who don't know this means model in sealed box. As in plastic wrap. Which means on occasion the collectors buy an old reselead box with bits of sprue in it. Ray On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 06:27:19 -0400 (EDT), dfernet0 wrote: >Warren tempted me to go on... (sorry fellers this has little OT so >you can >delete the message right away) > >> Would it go like this: >> >> WOW!! LOOK!!! AWESOME!!!! 1/48th SCALE BRIDGE IN NY!!!!! NO >>RESERVE!!!!! >Antique bridge pre-assembled, all metal, ultra rare WW1 period and >before >structure, used FOR REAL by a multitude of tommies commuting for >work before >and after the great war. General Black Jack Pershing drove on it >once -garanteed-. German steel, manufactured by Krupp, evil creator >of the >famous german trench mortars. On the base, there's crusted mud from >the >river, exact replica of that worn by all soldiers on the Flanders >salient. >Ready for display. No batteries required >D. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:13:37 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: A Total LooneyBay Idiot Message-ID: I think we should send him some url's that SHOW the prices he SHOULD be paying!!!!! Lets wait a few days, until he pays!!! and then send him the url!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:11:15 -0700 From: Ray Boorman To: , Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Cool Shirt Message-ID: <20010815151514.MOVG887.priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray> lol D, I'd have liked to see you explain to her irate boyfriend "no really I was looking at her blouse!!!" ;0) Ray Diego Wrote >Some months ago I saw a lady who was wearing a blouse with fabric >patterned >with a light sepia motif. When I looked more carefully, I saw that >the motif >were a sort of "collage" of newspaper clippings in french, with news >of the >Santos Dumont flights, pictures of old Farman biplane designs, >zeppelins and >moustached aviators. Unfortunately I didn't asked her where she got >it, as >would have looked akward, ain't it? >D. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:44:34 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Siemens D.I Message-ID: <004c01c125a1$3003c3c0$0200a8c0@x.pl> Thanks, Matt. I'll take Nie.11, convert fuselage and reshape upper wing with new center-section. And of course other details. I think it should work. I'm trying to imagine what seat should have that plane? Like SSW D.III? Greetings Grzegorz > FWIW, I started an SSW D.I conversion using the *ESCI* Nie.17. > Since the fuselage is too short for an accurate Nie.17, it works > great into an SSW D.I. Keep in mind that the upper wing on the > D.I is a lot different than the Nieuport. The center section > remained "straight", while the outer wings had the sweepback. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:40:12 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Techniques Question Message-ID: <019401c1257f$0b70ca20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> David! > The conversion is from a monoplane to a biplane > configuration, and this involves filling and restoring certain areas of > the fuselage to a 'fabric' covered appearance. So, my question is, any > ideas as to how to restore the appearance ? Same I must think if I want to get rid of the "sucked in" look of the rear fuselage of the Revell Nieuport 28 > fill the gaps with milliput smoothed down to give a taught fabric > appearance I guess that this is the method I'll try. D. PS: Not a clue about the conversion you want to do... A Hurricane backdated to a Fury?? ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3615 **********************