WWI Digest 3613 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Ilya by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 2) RE: Painted Rigging by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 3) Can't remember the brand name by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 4) Re: Dumb question # 53 was RE: Dumb question #52 by "Hans Trauner" 5) Re: Ilya by "Michael Kendix" 6) Re: Museums and my rigger. Painted Rigging by "dfernet0" 7) Re: Dumb question # 53 was RE: Dumb question #52 by "Michael Kendix" 8) Re: Museums and my rigger. Painted Rigging by "Michael Kendix" 9) Re: Museums and my rigger. Painted Rigging by "dfernet0" 10) Re: wwi fabric by CAUhlir@aol.com 11) Re: Part PE by MAnde72343@aol.com 12) Re: Museums and my rigger. Painted Rigging by "Michael Kendix" 13) Pfalzie Long Work Weekend by "Graham Hunter" 14) Pics from 2001 IPMSA Nationals by "Landon, James D" 15) never finished was Re: Dumb question # 53 was RE: Dumb question #52 by "Gaston Graf" 16) Over the Front/Cross and Cockade CD? by "Brent Theobald" 17) Re: Pfalzie Long Work Weekend by "Tom Plesha" 18) Re: roden DVI Decals + rib tapes by "Pedro Soares" 19) Re: roden DVI Decals + rib tapes by "Pedro Soares" 20) Modelbuilding as a Business??? by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 21) RE: Eastern Express Vimy by David Fleming 22) RE: dumb Looney-Bay Madness question by Steve Cox 23) CD by "Tom Plesha" 24) Re: Pfalzie Long Work Weekend by ibs4421@commandnet.net 25) Re: Finnish Fokker Results by "Pedro Soares" 26) Re: Eastern Express Vimy by "Pedro Soares" 27) Re: Looney-Bay Madness by "Pedro Soares" 28) RE: Eastern Express Vimy by "Pedro Soares" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:06:09 EDT From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Ilya Message-ID: <32.19592f27.28aaa671@aol.com> What's their contact information? I've tried several search attempts and didn't find a Sqadron website. Thanks, Steve di Giacomo In a message dated 8/14/1 11:01:57 AM, mkendix@hotmail.com writes: << Well, what if I told you that Squadron was selling the ICM Il'ya for $9.99? Believe me, it's a cost effective expenditure. For that price, you can about 320 hours of modeling "Enjoyment", so you won't have to buy another kit for about 3 months maybe more. Michael >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:05:06 EDT From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: RE: Painted Rigging Message-ID: I agree with Lance on this one, not from any specific OT knowledge, but from general aircraft maintenance experience. On the average, the aircraft probably didn't last long enough for the cables to wear out. Crash damaged and shot up cables needed replacement, for sure. Paint certainly wouldn't keep moisture out, especially from condensation, and, in fact, would tend to keep the moisture in. I think, most important, that inspecting the cables would be difficult, if not impossible, as the paint would hide any corrosion or rusted weak spots occurring underneath. Not to say that some rigging wasn't painted. They most probably were. I'm just don't think it was the smartest thing to do. Sure works well and looks good in museums though! FWIW, Mike Kavanaugh In a message dated Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:21:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "dfernet0" writes: > Lance wrote: > > It'll be a cold day in Hell when I paint a model's rigging anything but > "metal"... > > I've been thinking about these rigging issues... the wires itselves are a > "braided" bunch of steel wires, wich should be able to flex and still > strong. There's no doubt the when the wires sing during flight the > vibrations must chafe each indiviadual strand against each other and weakens > the rigging wich must be changed in due time. > Maybe the paint -or the grease- would make that working time longer. The > paint would isolate the steel from moisture and make the strands rigid > against each other so minimizing the chafing. On the other way, grease or > oil would lubricate the strands and then avoiding the grinding against each > other. > Untreated wires plus humidity and temperature changes would rust the strands > very fast, thus making the rigging stiffer and prone to breaking in the > worst of the moments. > IMHO > D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:10:01 EDT From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Can't remember the brand name Message-ID: <53.a35c427.28aaa759@aol.com> of that super duper wonder filler that a number of listmembers were praising some time ago. Don't remember when. I searched the list archives but found nothing. All I remember for sure is that it is difficult to get here in the U.S.. ~Steve di Giacomo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:27:33 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Dumb question # 53 was RE: Dumb question #52 Message-ID: <008601c124de$05a4a360$33a072d4@FRITZweb> Gaston the Confessor said: "> Ehhhmmm....... I did not rig a WW1 model yet because I did not finish one yet ..." High spirit, Gaston! I never would confess that on a WWI modelling list! I'd say "I never finished a working Parabellum in 1/72 from 123 brass etched parts" or things like that... Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gaston Graf" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 8:29 AM Subject: [WWI] Dumb question # 53 was RE: Dumb question #52 > > > I use smoke coloured monofilament entirely unsullied by anything but the > > final clear coat to dull it down a bit, and/or carbon fibre similarly > > coated. Looks fine to me, like steel wire ingrained with oil and dirt. > > > > Ehhhmmm....... I did not rig a WW1 model yet because I did not finish one > yet but do you really believe that the rigging cables was ingrained with oil > and dirt? I personally don't think the cables was oiled nor would much dirt > stick on it. But that's my personal opinion indeed. To me an very dark grey, > almost black sounds fine for 1/48 or smaller scales. In bigger scales I > would rather try to make to cables look like real cables of twisted wires > and paint them black with a slight drybrushing of gun metal. > Wasn't the cables used for the rigging something like the cables one uses > today for the brakes and gear changers or a bike? They are bright shining > steel when they are new but turn to a very dark matt grey when exposed to > the weather. > > just my thoughts about the colors of rigging wires > > Gaston Graf > (ggraf@vo.lu) > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: > http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:27:12 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Ilya Message-ID: >From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com > >What's their contact information? I've tried several search attempts >and >didn't find a Sqadron website. Thanks, Steve: The website address is: http://www.squadron.com The Il'ya is quoted as $14.96, however, their August flyer has it for $9.99. Phone them up on 972-242-8663 (8:30 to 5:30 Mon - Sat) and say you want the deal from the August flyer please. The stock number is 8-IC72042 Minimum order is $10 (tell them to keep the extra penny), and S&H is $4.75 for orders up to $20. They also have a Toko Nieuport 11, Nieuport 16 and Snipe for $4.99 each. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:40:40 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Re: Museums and my rigger. Painted Rigging Message-ID: <031a01c124df$dade6740$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Michael et al > I'm not certain how the Caudron G.4 came to the NASM facility. When I saw > it and took photos (see the wwi modeling web site), there was no evidence > that I recall of the rigging painted turpuoise, although the undercarriage > may have been painted thus. The Caudron -according to the latest WW1 Aero issue- is undergoing a conservative restoration. Under the damaged fabric covering of the wings, the internal cable runnings were found to be painted in turquoise -original ww1 period paint- and there were traces of more paint over the rest of the rigging, where most of the paint chipped away long ago. The museum team will re-paint the cables with the same colour matching those of the cables protected under the fabric, as it seems to have been when it was handed to the USA. Where is Brian Nicklas? Tell us more! D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:38:15 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Dumb question # 53 was RE: Dumb question #52 Message-ID: >From: "Hans Trauner" > >Gaston the Confessor said: " Ehhhmmm....... I did not rig a WW1 model >yet >because I did not finish one yet ..." High spirit, Gaston! I >never would >confess that on a WWI modelling list! I'd say "I never >finished a working >Parabellum in 1/72 from 123 brass etched parts" or >things like that... Or, how about, I haven't quite finished putting all the turnbuckles on that Il'ya. Anyway, Gaston makes excellent WWI figures, so he has no rigging to worry about.... yet! Michael > >Hans > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gaston Graf" >To: "Multiple recipients of list" >Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 8:29 AM >Subject: [WWI] Dumb question # 53 was RE: Dumb question #52 > > > > > > > I use smoke coloured monofilament entirely unsullied by anything but >the > > > final clear coat to dull it down a bit, and/or carbon fibre similarly > > > coated. Looks fine to me, like steel wire ingrained with oil and dirt. > > > > > > > Ehhhmmm....... I did not rig a WW1 model yet because I did not finish >one > > yet but do you really believe that the rigging cables was ingrained with >oil > > and dirt? I personally don't think the cables was oiled nor would much >dirt > > stick on it. But that's my personal opinion indeed. To me an very dark >grey, > > almost black sounds fine for 1/48 or smaller scales. In bigger scales I > > would rather try to make to cables look like real cables of twisted >wires > > and paint them black with a slight drybrushing of gun metal. > > Wasn't the cables used for the rigging something like the cables one >uses > > today for the brakes and gear changers or a bike? They are bright >shining > > steel when they are new but turn to a very dark matt grey when exposed >to > > the weather. > > > > just my thoughts about the colors of rigging wires > > > > Gaston Graf > > (ggraf@vo.lu) > > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: > > http://www.jastaboelcke.de > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:44:31 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Museums and my rigger. Painted Rigging Message-ID: Diego: >From: "dfernet0" >The Caudron -according to the latest WW1 Aero issue- is undergoing a >conservative restoration. Yes, this is what Brian told me. Not a full reconstruction but a restoration of what is already there. Also, as you can see from the photos, some of the parts, such as one of the propellers, are going to be replaced where necessary. Those folks usually do a bang-up job and I cannot wait to see it. >Where is Brian Nicklas? Tell us more! He's away for another week. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:55:41 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Re: Museums and my rigger. Painted Rigging Message-ID: <035b01c124e1$f38b03a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Michael! > Also, as you can see from the photos, > some of the parts, such as one of the propellers, are going to be replaced > where necessary. Those folks usually do a bang-up job and I cannot wait to > see it. IIRC the propellers were the incorrect type for the engines. They also needed intake pipes for one of the engines, and a school here in the city (some pictures of their engines are in my website) has some replacement parts for their old rotary engines... I wonder if I should try to link the NASM with the school... D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:04:42 EDT From: CAUhlir@aol.com To: Subject: Re: wwi fabric Message-ID: Cool piece. Every year Superior Auction galleries in Beverly Hills, Ca has an aerospace memorabilia auction. All kinds of stuff, from WW1 leather flying helmets to full Soyuz space suits. For 4 out of the past 5 years they have had mounted fabic of WW1 aircraft for auction. They usually go for around 5 to 6 hundred bucks. I bid on these by mail but now luck...I guess I just have to attend in person one day. I know I should strike soon because soon there won't be any left. Candice ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:04:28 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Part PE Message-ID: Tom, sorry for the late reply, I've been off lo\ine for four days due to a move (three days longer than expected), but I got the Part PE Control horns, etc., from John Roll two months ago, a great deal, it was just what I always wanted. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:06:16 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Museums and my rigger. Painted Rigging Message-ID: Diego: I think you should definitely tell Brian Nicklas what is available. AFAIK, NASM was still looking for some spare parts. Michael >From: "dfernet0" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: Museums and my rigger. Painted Rigging >Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:53:25 -0400 (EDT) > >Michael! > > Also, as you can see from the photos, > > some of the parts, such as one of the propellers, are going to be >replaced > > where necessary. Those folks usually do a bang-up job and I cannot wait >to > > see it. > >IIRC the propellers were the incorrect type for the engines. They also >needed intake pipes for one of the engines, and a school here in the city >(some pictures of their engines are in my website) has some replacement >parts for their old rotary engines... I wonder if I should try to link the >NASM with the school... >D. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:28:25 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: "WWI List (E-mail)" Subject: Pfalzie Long Work Weekend Message-ID: <001401c124ee$e86f28e0$fa0101c0@grahamh> Hey gang, The SWMBO had a mom's weekend off so I rented Nintendo for the kids and had a good long weekend working the Eduard Pfalz D.IIIa. I am hoping to finish for my Sept IPMS meet but I am guessing that will not be the case. What I did get done this weekend was some sub assemblies and finished other details. 1. Put together the under carriage. First cutting off plastic axles and then "routing" out the mid section of the axle wing. Using the DF drawing I made a jig to hold the struts and routed axle plane in place for cementing. After assmb. I used brass rod for the axle and then added the axle "hood" using 0.005" sheet stock. Assmb. now ready for silbregreu paint and then bungee cord and axle safety retainer wire. 2. Detailed the wheels by routing out the air valve access hole and adding a valve stem using 0.3mm brass tube and a couple of spokes using Wonder Wire. Then using thinned (sanded thinner) 0.005" sheet stock with a new valve access hole punched in covered the lathed out area. After some putty and sanding lozenge was applied to the wheel covers. Finally using oil paints weathering was completed. 3. Painted and attached seatbelts. Micro soldered the mounting springs for the two shoulder belts to the PE belts then attached belts to inside of fuselage halves. 4. Micro soldered 0.5mm brass tube pieces to the PE control horns. 5. Mirco soldered a 0.015" brass rod handle to the radiator shutter. In all it was a fun long weekend of modelling. Cheers, Graham ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:37:49 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Pics from 2001 IPMSA Nationals Message-ID: Hey Karen, great photos of listees and plastic pushers at the 2001 IPMSA Nationals. Too bad your camera somehow blurred Matt's face. ;-) Got any more shots like those? Jim Salmson Landon Unsubscribed semi-listee Resident blacksmith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:38:59 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: never finished was Re: Dumb question # 53 was RE: Dumb question #52 Message-ID: > > Anyway, Gaston makes excellent WWI figures, so he has no rigging to worry > about.... yet! O-oooohhh..... thanks but I've got to confess - again - that I did not finish a WW1 figure yet... All that I finished was a WW2 British paratrooper, a WW2 US Bomber Crew member (both 120mm), an 1/35 Tamya Samurai and a bunch of pewter and plastic fantasy figures for tabletop RPGs... Got a lot of ideas and plans, but if I wouldn't be subscribed to this fine list I maybe would find the time for modeling ;o). Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:02:47 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Over the Front/Cross and Cockade CD? Message-ID: Howdy, I was curious if anyone in the "in" crowd with these publications knows of any plans to release old issues in CD format. Ships in Scale is releasing 2 CD's with ten years worth of issues for $40. It sure seems like a good deal to me. Hopefully some of my other magazines will folow suite. In case you are interested here is the Ships in Scale info: Send a check for $39.95 to: Seaways Publishing, Inc 2271 Constitution Ave San Jose, CA 95124 They suggest provideing a pre-addressed sticker to speed processing. The usual disclaimers apply. Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:03:11 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: Pfalzie Long Work Weekend Message-ID: <001501c124f3$c36c6bc0$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Graham says: > Hey gang, > snip> I > 1. Put together the under carriage. First cutting off plastic axles and then > "routing" out the mid section of the axle wing. Using the DF drawing I made > a jig to hold the struts and routed axle plane in place for cementing. > After assmb. I used brass rod for the axle and then added the axle "hood" > using 0.005" sheet stock. Assmb. now ready for silbregreu paint and then > bungee cord and axle safety retainer wire. > 2. Detailed the wheels by routing out the air valve access hole and adding > a valve stem using 0.3mm brass tube and a couple of spokes using Wonder > Wire. Then using thinned (sanded thinner) 0.005" sheet stock with a new > valve access hole punched in covered the lathed out area. After some putty > and sanding lozenge was applied to the wheel covers. Finally using oil > paints weathering was completed. > 3. Painted and attached seatbelts. Micro soldered the mounting springs for > the two shoulder belts to the PE belts then attached belts to inside of > fuselage halves. > 4. Micro soldered 0.5mm brass tube pieces to the PE control horns. > 5. Mirco soldered a 0.015" brass rod handle to the radiator shutter. > Hi Graham- It sounds great!!! How about some pictures? I for one, would certainly appreciate info on micro soldering. Later Tom S.E.MI. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:31:13 +0100 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: roden DVI Decals + rib tapes Message-ID: <018101c124f4$42da2fa0$1c090dd5@pc1> Thanks Lance. Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Krieg To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 10:24 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: roden DVI Decals + rib tapes > "So should the rib tapes go over the spar out to the leading edge too?" > > Yes, this shows up clearly on pictures of D.VIs, too. > > The fabric is often tacked on to the plywood wing surfaces, and the tack holes are a potential threat to tear. Hence the tape, even over a plywood leading edge. > > HTH > > Lance > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:33:45 +0100 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: roden DVI Decals + rib tapes Message-ID: <018201c124f4$44c89220$1c090dd5@pc1> Thanks Shane. This time I'll use a single colour tape too. What you say makes perfect sense. Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 11:07 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: roden DVI Decals + rib tapes > > > "So should the rib tapes go over the spar out to the leading > > edge too?" > > Yes. It shows on pictures often enough. > > IMHO it should do too - because the tape is 99% probably a *single* piece > which goes from trailing edge on the top side, around the leading edge and > back to the trailing edge on the underside. (which means it's the same > colour top *and* bottom) > > However - I know that this is not a popular opinion with people who've spent > years putting pink tapes underneath and blue ones on top on (apparently) the > evidence of Superscales instruction sheets. (this included me!) > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:25:33 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Modelbuilding as a Business??? Message-ID: Hi Folks, Can someone who does this please contact me offlist?? I have read many times in the past about folks who build on commission and apparently take their hobby expenses as business deductions??? I'd like to discuss the ins and outs of this as I am doing some of this myself...TIA! Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:16:48 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Eastern Express Vimy Message-ID: <3B79791F.6DC28432@dial.pipex.com> All the 1/72 injection moulded Vimys have the same origin, the Frog Trailblazers Alcock and Brown aircraft. It was later released by Frog as a bomber, but they didn't do all the mods for a 'vanilla' version (The hump John mentioned was one) Somewhere I have an article form an old PAM news on how to convert it into a 'proper' Vimy bomber. The Air Lines kit was a US (?) release of some Frog kits, and of course all the Novo/Chematic/Eastern Express etc are releases of this. The moulds seem to have held up well over the years. The Maquette kit is interesting, as it consists of the Novo kit with a horribly rough new fuselage for the Vimy Commercial/Vernon (Thy did the same with the Frog B-17E to make a 377). Bit expensive for what you get. There is a lovely little vac of the Vimy Commercial in 1/144th Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:59:55 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: RE: dumb Looney-Bay Madness question Message-ID: You can be lucky, my wife just won an auction with the minimum bid, but it was a totally ot subject, not even an aeroplane Regards Steve nb =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: "Laskodi" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:28:14 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] RE: dumb Looney-Bay Madness question > > <<>> > Unfortunately this is very true. I'm fairly new to LoonE and have never > sniped a win, but I am rethinking that policy and am probably going to start > sniping on stuff that I really, really want. It's an unfortunate by-product > of the way the system is set up, and at first I thought it was immoral, > unethical, etc. (and pissed me off) but after seeing all the going on's I am > beginning to come to the conclusion that is the only way you can win. So I > apologize in advance if I start sniping! > -----------Bob > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:13:26 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: CD Message-ID: <001401c124fd$941c6820$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi Everyone- Just received my Bob Pearson CD today. Its just great. Later Tom S.E.MI. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:25:36 -0500 From: ibs4421@commandnet.net To: Subject: Re: Pfalzie Long Work Weekend Message-ID: <001301c124ff$48185860$4d3dfad1@esther> Tom beat me to it by posting: > Hi Graham- > It sounds great!!! > How about some pictures? > I for one, would certainly appreciate info on micro soldering. > Later > Tom > S.E.MI. > Graham, This is something I've been wanting to know too, as I plan on doing some soldering from my railroad modeling. (BTW, I plan on doing a branchline of the NC&StL in Alabama ca. 1944.) I have been contemplating if it is possible, since I now know that there is such a thing as brass strut material to solder together the rear assembly of a DH2 or Fe? When done correctly, a solder joint is extremely strong, to the point the brass material will bend before the joint will break. Wondering, Warren P.S. I've been thinking if getting a copy of the railroad history book "Narrow Gauge to No Man's Land" and doing a large scale outdoor layout with it. Hmmmm. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:27:23 +0100 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Finnish Fokker Results Message-ID: <008e01c12502$20c79e80$3a090dd5@pc1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:58 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Finnish Fokker Results > > Brent, look at it from another perspective--Being on the List, look at what a > wonderful library we ALL have. I love the idea of so many people helping > others in such a selfless manner. I try to help when I can, and so on . . .. > What a great bunch of Listies! > > Have Fun!! > > IRA That's the Spirit And DO as the man Says. Dicta Ira, Gents Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:28:50 +0100 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Eastern Express Vimy Message-ID: <008f01c12502$23903460$3a090dd5@pc1> It's the old Frog kit. You can turn into teh Alcock and Brown Aircraft easily. Much harder to turn it into a regular Vimy, because of the turtledeck IIRC Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:24 PM Subject: [WWI] Eastern Express Vimy > Does anyone know the derivation of the 1/72nd scale Vickers Vimy kit now > released by Eastern Express? Squadron has it for $11.46. Is it different > to the Airlines kit? Any views on how decent this EE kit is? > > Michael > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:33:53 +0100 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Looney-Bay Madness Message-ID: <009001c12502$26713440$3a090dd5@pc1> The Schollar bookshelf had it on their catalogue for 45 USD or something in that region-. That's where I got mine from, acting on a tip by Bill Bacon. Thanks again Bill, wherever you are, friend. Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Looney-Bay Madness I lost out on several copies of AH Army Aircraft > of WWI. Each went for over $120!!!!! The book is being reprinted early next > year, probably at around $99 or so...I kept searching and finally found one > on bookfinder.com for $80!!!!! In new condition. Cover price was > $89.99..Bid your max for the item and if you lose, it'll be available > again.... > > Regards, > John > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:37:06 +0100 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: RE: Eastern Express Vimy Message-ID: <009101c12502$28705fa0$3a090dd5@pc1> They are all the same, I think. Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 3:52 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: Eastern Express Vimy > John: > > This is helpful. I was more interested in the kit's quality. I thought > that the Vickers Vimy did not really appear during WW1. So, how are the > Airlines, Novo and Frog kits in comparison? > > Michael > > >From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com > >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: [WWI] RE: Eastern Express Vimy > >Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:39:31 -0400 (EDT) > > > >Hi Michael and Diego, > >I believe the Vimy is actually the old Frog kit...IIRC, it was a post war > >modified Vimy. I believe the "hump" was for extra fuel tanks and would > >require major surgery to bring it OT??? I seem to remember reading that one > >of the kit mfr's may be re-doing it to an OT version???? Don't really > >remember... > > > >Regards, > >John > > > > > > > > > > "dfernet0" > > >list > > io.gov.ar> > > Sent by: cc: > > wwi@wwi-models. Subject: [WWI] RE: Eastern > >Express Vimy > > org > > > > > > 08/14/01 10:31 > > AM > > Please respond > > to wwi > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Michael! > >It must be the old NOVO Vimy.... Eastern Express usually re-issues kits.... > >Hopefully they would improve the kit or change the nacelles and fuselage > >for > >an OT version > >Regards > >D. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Michael Kendix > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 10:24 AM > >Subject: [WWI] Eastern Express Vimy > > > > > > > Does anyone know the derivation of the 1/72nd scale Vickers Vimy kit now > > > released by Eastern Express? Squadron has it for $11.46. Is it > >different > > > to the Airlines kit? Any views on how decent this EE kit is? > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3613 **********************