WWI Digest 3604 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Nieuport clones by "Tom Solinski" 2) Re: Hi Ira ! by ibs4421@commandnet.net 3) Sept. 9th goings-on by Andreikor@aol.com 4) On the bench by Andreikor@aol.com 5) Richtofen's gun by Andreikor@aol.com 6) Richtofen's gun again :) by Andreikor@aol.com 7) Re: WWI digest 3601 by Andreikor@aol.com 8) July/August Windsock by Andreikor@aol.com 9) Re: Shipping models via the post by "Richard Eaton" 10) Ernest's latest by Andreikor@aol.com 11) Steve's HB.DI by Andreikor@aol.com 12) Re: Steve's HB.DI by "Steven Perry" 13) RE: was My new toys - now confusion over Albatros Shipping rates by "Laskodi" 14) RE: was My new toys - now confusion over Albatros Shipping rates by Ray Boorman 15) Re: SSW DIII by "Gaston Graf" 16) Re: a question about copyrights by "Gaston Graf" 17) Absenteeism by "Paul E. Thompson" 18) ÕâÊÇÄúÒªµÄ×ÊÁÏ£¡ by large88-large88@shzhshzh.com 19) RE: Commies come to power in OZ, was... by Shane Weier 20) Re: Odp: Finished HB.DI by Shane Weier 21) ebay UK auction by Steve Cox 22) Re: Steve's HB.DI by "Michael Kendix" 23) Odp: Re: SSW DIII by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 24) Odp: Re: Nieuport clones by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 25) Re: Steve's HB.DI by "Steven Perry" 26) metal surfaces was Re: Steve's HB.DI by "Gaston Graf" 27) Re: Hyperscale OT alert! by Mark Miller 28) Nieuport lacing by "Alberto Casirati" 29) Re: Nieuport clones by "Alberto Casirati" 30) Re: Odp: Re: Nieuport clones by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 31) need help, and quick by Ernest Thomas 32) Re: need help, and quick by Ernest Thomas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 21:17:01 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport clones Message-ID: <003b01c122d4$df4a8aa0$a6a20d41@Solinski.okcnc1.ok.home.com> The German High Command asked provided all of the aircraft builders with examples of Nieu 11,s and ask each of them for copies. SSW and Euler made exact copies, Albatross applied the sequiplane to the D-III. Tom "S ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 8:49 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Nieuport clones > Someone in another forum has identified the aircraft in the photo as a Euler D.I, something I am not at all familiar with. > > FWIW, > Mike Kavanaugh > > In a message dated Sat, 11 Aug 2001 9:27:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Grzegorz Mazurowski" writes: > > > Hi folks! > > Which Nieuport copy was Siemens D.I? > > 11 or 17? Sources are contradictory. And my guru Tomasz Goworek writes that > > it was 'almost exact copy of Nieuport sesquiplan'. > > I don't know, what to think about it. Even technical data are contradictory > > in many sources... > > And at last that picture. > > Grzegorz > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 21:40:45 -0500 From: ibs4421@commandnet.net To: Subject: Re: Hi Ira ! Message-ID: <008901c122d8$30bf2c80$463dfad1@esther> > And Warren, if you MUST build good ol' 425/17, could you please at least > make it a dark red? Please . . . ? ;^) > > Have Fun!! > > IRA Ira, Yes, I will! To be honest, I think researching this a/c with my son will be a great and fun thing. He has just now discovered "Enemy Ace" comic books thanks to me. I should have worked for a propaganda ministry! I realize that bringing up good ol' 425/17 on the list could find some incoming headed my way. With that in mind, anybody who wishes to inform me of what not and what to do regarding this a/c, PLEASE feel free to mail me off-list. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:45:48 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Sept. 9th goings-on Message-ID: <7b.190f3f10.28a747dc@aol.com> Rhinebeck Sept. 8 & 9? Mmmmm.... Barry's (Rosemont) show is also Sept. 9th. I was really hoping to make that this year, so I'm kind of torn. Not to mention, HBO's "Band of Brothers" premiers that night... and it looks excellent... but I could always program that thing that blinks '12:00' :) Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:46:02 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: On the bench Message-ID: OT: Pegasus' Phonix D.II, Eduard's Fok. DVIII, Rosemont's SPAD A2 ot: Hasegawa 'Jack', Revell FW190A-8, Tamiya Bf 109E-3 All in divine scale, of course... And I wonder why I can't seem to finish anything. :) Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:51:40 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Richtofen's gun Message-ID: <6f.1958bc1c.28a7493c@aol.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1176796252 Man, I wish I had this much free time to waste! :) :) :) Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:54:33 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Richtofen's gun again :) Message-ID: <45.a8b4c3c.28a749e9@aol.com> Shane writes: << True. He's also apparently well aware why MvR was actually called Bloody Red Baron - due to the colour of his but after 268 enemas >> ROTFLMAO... thanks Shane! Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:57:58 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: WWI digest 3601 Message-ID: Dame Karen wrote: << I can't go too wrong--and if I did, well, so what: the world won't end. >> Here here... words to live by. This is the kind of attitude that insures models get finished... (and look at the Dame's work!) and can't be overemphasized... Brava, Karen! Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:59:41 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: July/August Windsock Message-ID: <99.1917bcc1.28a74b1d@aol.com> Dame Karen wrote: < Nobody's mentioned the July/August Windsock and the Balilla Datafile--am I the first or the last to get them? >> Uh, you're obviously not the last... Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:06:45 -0500 From: "Richard Eaton" To: Subject: Re: Shipping models via the post Message-ID: <003501c122db$d2e834e0$09191b18@austin.rr.com> Andrei, Kidding aside, there are ways to ship even stringbags via the post. Brent has the sure fire method he posted some time ago. I've shipped two from Texas to a German customer and they both made it! Let me know off list and I'll send you the Theobald method. Regards, Richard who is having more time to enjoy the list lately.... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 9:13 PM Subject: [WWI] Shipping models via the post > SP wrote: > << If you're still skeptical, pack up an old model and kick it around the yard > like a soccer ball then open it up. >> > > Thanks, but I'd rather just shoot myself :) > Cheers, > Andrei > > > > Andrei Koribanics II > 8 Falcon Place > Wayne, NJ 07470 > USA > Voice/Fax: 973-696-9378 > email: andreikor@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:09:44 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Ernest's latest Message-ID: <4b.f9b3c3a.28a74d78@aol.com> Ernest wrote: << Just finished the 1/72 Stropp(and it looks AWESOME!) >> Can we see some pics please??? Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:14:01 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Steve's HB.DI Message-ID: Steve, Looks lovely! I'd like to hear more about your technique for rendering the machined aluminum. Sounds like one for the 'techniques' file... who was gathering these up again? << http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sperry03/kd.htm >> Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:51:51 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Steve's HB.DI Message-ID: <003b01c122e2$1f0418c0$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> > Looks lovely! I'd like to hear more about your technique for rendering the > machined aluminum. Sounds like one for the 'techniques' file... who was > gathering these up again? > > << http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sperry03/kd.htm >> Thanks Anderi The machined aluminum is pretty easy. Just smear some Rub & Buff silver paste on the area. Rub it to an even sheen and let it dry a few hours. Chuck a wooden dowel in a dremel. I use a round toothpick as the dowell because I can trim off the tapered tip to exactly the diameter I want. To make the round turnings I just touch the surface with squared off tip of the turning dowell. I try to keep the tip as square as possible to the surface. It's tedious, but with a bit of practice on some scraps you can turn out some neat cowls. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 21:06:27 -0700 From: "Laskodi" To: "WWI List Post" Subject: RE: was My new toys - now confusion over Albatros Shipping rates Message-ID: <001501c122e4$29bfad40$2c3819d0@f4hn201> <<>> On the Albatros website at : http://www.windsockdatafilespecials.com/index.html they quote "Special offer! Orders over £30 postage free (non trade). Subscribers post free!". I have also seen a similar offer in magazines. When I placed my order of DF's (that was well over the 30!) I asked what type of shipping was included and they replied "Airsaver". Assuming this was some type of airmail service I placed the order expecting delivery within two weeks. From UK to my house via airmail is usually 4-10 days. Its now been 3+ weeks since I placed the order and when I enquired to Albatros they said it takes 2-4 weeks. Not familiar with UK postage rates, I was wondering what exactly "airsaver" is and how it differs from regular airmail. I can't imagine any type of postal service by air to the US taking 4 weeks. TIA --------Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 21:31:49 -0700 From: Ray Boorman To: , Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: was My new toys - now confusion over Albatros Shipping rates Message-ID: <20010812043549.LFDN20744.priv-edtnes04-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray> Bob, If they are using Airsaver it is a postal method where they use Airmail from country to country. Then once you get into the country that the letter or parcel is to go to it resorts to that systems normal mail. Its supposed to be a cheaper form of Airmail Typical time is 10 - 15 days depending on the postal service. I would email Albatros back to confirm when they sent the books. Ray On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:10:07 -0400 (EDT), Laskodi wrote: ><<certain price limit. >>> >On the Albatros website at : >http://www.windsockdatafilespecials.com/index.html >they quote "Special offer! Orders over £30 postage free (non trade). >Subscribers post free!". I have also seen a similar offer in >magazines. >When I placed my order of DF's (that was well over the 30!) I asked >what >type of shipping was included and they replied "Airsaver". Assuming >this was some type of airmail service I placed the order expecting >delivery within two weeks. From UK to my house via airmail is >usually 4-10 days. Its now been 3+ weeks since I placed the order >and when I enquired to Albatros they said it takes 2-4 weeks. Not >familiar with UK postage rates, I was wondering what exactly >"airsaver" >is and how it differs from regular airmail. I can't imagine any type >of >postal service by air to the US taking 4 weeks. >TIA >--------Bob > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 10:29:51 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Re: SSW DIII Message-ID: Grzegorz, no matter how good todays supa-dupa-mega-detail-kits are, for me the true pleasure of modeling always is it to do all the superdetailing myself. If you open your eyes and check everything in your household if it is useful for modeling BEFORE feeding it to the trashcan you can find a lot of things for detail work on models and dioramas that won't cost you anything. Just open your eyes - and collect! But I too use these superdetails kits sometimes because it is easier with it to have a great model finished soon. forget about money - go and have fun ;o) Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > I've seen Steve Hustad's model. Very nice one. > I won't buy Hawkeye resins, because I want to make conversion > myself. I hope > I'll be able to do it, and purchasing US goods is very expensive for me... > Regards! > Grzegorz > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 10:35:54 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Re: a question about copyrights Message-ID: David, Chris, thanks a lot for the information you gave me. I will see to find out more about copyrights. The gouvernement of Luxembourg has announced to make their official websites more informative and easy to use for everybody so I think it should be possible now to find a site that covers EU laws. But before I'll start searching I'll follow Chris-Banay Riepls advice to call the editor of Flight International on the phone. best regards Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > One way to find out more may be to ask in one of the legal > newsgroups - uk.legal > for instance. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 10:52:36 +0200 From: "Paul E. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Absenteeism Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010812104839.00af9d90@pop.xs4all.nl> Greetings listees, I've been away for 3 weeks. No tme to plough through the 60 or so digests before going away to th UK on Wedenesday, so apologies in the (unlikely) event anyone tried to contact me. Back on the 27th August, hopefully with unhealthy loads of OT plastic/resin. Cheers, Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:12:10 From: large88-large88@shzhshzh.com To: wwiagww@execpc.com Subject: ÕâÊÇÄúÒªµÄ×ÊÁÏ£¡ Message-ID: <200108120909.FAA43130@mustang.sr.unh.edu> ÄÐÈ˵Ľ¡¿µ¡¢Å®È˵ÄÐÒ¸££¬Èç¸óÏÂÒÑ´óÓÚ18ÖÜË꣬ÇëÖÁÒÔÏÂÍøÒ³Ë÷ȡÿ¸öÄÐÈ˶¼Ó¦¸ÃÁ¢¼´ÖªµÀµÄÎÞ¼Û֪ʶ¡£ http://www.shzhsh.com/penis/7genjin.htm ÇëÎðÖ±½Ó»Ø¸´±¾ÐÅ¡£ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 19:50:17 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Commies come to power in OZ, was... Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD3F8@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> E > I'm ashamed to confess that I still have yet to try the > Vegemite. Every > time I was tempted, I either lacked nerve, or the occassion. > Perhaps I could open it to celebrate the new regime. DON'T EAT IT !!!!!! That satchel is capitalist running dog Kraft Corporation Vegemite. You should destroy it immediately. Do not, I say again, do NOT, allow your neighbours or anyone else know that you ever had any in your possession, lest you be arrested and reprogrammed. In future, only use Vegemite in the illegibly printed, poorly sealed peoples pack (labelled 15g but containing 7.5g ) Regards Commisar V. ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. 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Regards Steve nb =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 12:22:41 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Steve's HB.DI Message-ID: >From: "Steven Perry" >The machined aluminum is pretty easy. Just smear some Rub & Buff silver >paste on the area. Rub it to an even sheen and let it dry a few hours. What is Rub & Buff? Can it be used over acrylics or due you have to put it over enamels? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:41:33 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Odp: Re: SSW DIII Message-ID: <005101c1232c$1fdd1400$0200a8c0@x.pl> Hi Gaston! > If you open your eyes and check everything in your household if it is useful > for modeling BEFORE feeding it to the trashcan you can find a lot of things > for detail work on models and dioramas that won't cost you anything. Just > open your eyes - and collect! This is very Polish attitude - we had to do everything by myselves because there was nothing on the market some years ago (there was no market at all) Mote than ten years ago there were produced in Poland about 15 models including vacs (none OT), and there were also Czech Kopro and Smer available, but very rare and in small quantity, and soviet copies of Frog called sometimes 'Novo', but sometimes not (only Bleriot OT). No superdatails, no aftermarket, no decals except that included in the models, and soviet Frog even always without decals. So it was our reality. I went into scratch conversions when I wanted to have Bf 109 in my collection. German airplanes were forbidden as 'fascist' for propaganda purposes (like swastikas in many countries now), so I had to rebuilt Kopro Czech Avia S-199. And also we had no real model enamels. First models I made not painted, next painted with Chinese artistic oils (it was terrible - dryed two months, and I was not-patient 10 years old boy...) But all that was good school. Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:46:46 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Odp: Re: Nieuport clones Message-ID: <006101c1232c$d9d913e0$0200a8c0@x.pl> Hi Tom > SSW and Euler made > exact copies But how much exact is 'exact'? There were some differences. The most mysterious thing is wingspan of SSW D.I. Sources gives numbers between 7.50 m (like N.11) and 8.16m (like N.17) Be wise here, man... (Polish saying) Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 08:48:55 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Steve's HB.DI Message-ID: <001b01c1232d$25c5b920$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> > What is Rub & Buff? Can it be used over acrylics or due you have to put it > over enamels? Its a metalic paste that comes in a tube. Available at most craft stores. I have always applied it directly to the plastic. It can be painted over, but it's waxy nature causes paint to peel up easily. Great it you want metal showing through chipped paint as in many ot planes. It can be cleaned up with alcohol. Like all metallic finishes, it shows every imperfection in the surface under it. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:48:16 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: metal surfaces was Re: Steve's HB.DI Message-ID: Rub 'n Buff is a rub on paste to simulate metal surfaces on plastic models. I don't know how to use it since I never had a chance to find it here but it only sounds logical to me that the plastic surface must receive a coat of a primer paint, be it acryls or enamels. The surface certainly should be clean and matt so the paste will stick well. Speaking about metal surfaces: Are the wonderful polished colors from Humbrol still available? The once made special colors such as polished steel, ploished aluminium, copper etc. but years ago a local dealer told me that factory where they produced that kind of paint burnded down and he never received it again but I loved it. So I wonder if it is still produced or not. Oh and to add a something useful for you active modelers: By my experience I can recommend graphite dust to simulate blank steel, especially on tanks. I tried it on the tracks of a Tamya Tiger I in 1/25th. I prepainted the tracks in rusty red, then applied the graphite dust with a soft cloth. On the surfaces that undergoing heavy friction I rubbed it on stronger so the surface was shining brightly. Looked really good. But the Tiger actually lays in a box, partially disassembled... I had created a big size winter diorama with it, showing a knocked out Tiger in the snow, but then people tried to taste if the snow that I had used really was sugar and the whole diorama soon looked bad so I removed the model and put the pieces into a shoebox, having in mind to rebuil it "maybe one day". But I did not precise in what life that day will come... Beware of those who came to eat up your dioramas! btw: the graphite dust that I used was not dust from a soft pencil but the dust that people use in foundries to prevent the mould halves from sticking together. At the time that I learned my first profession of a welder the school where I was also trained steel casters and one of the guys at the schools foundry gave me an empty jam jar full of graphite dust. I still have it today - guess it will last for at least this life. But what comes after that is uncertain because the profession of the steel caster dies out already in this life, hence nobody will be there to give me more graphite dust again :o(. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Michael > Kendix > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 2:26 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Steve's HB.DI > > > >From: "Steven Perry" > > >The machined aluminum is pretty easy. Just smear some Rub & Buff silver > >paste on the area. Rub it to an even sheen and let it dry a few hours. > > What is Rub & Buff? Can it be used over acrylics or due you have > to put it > over enamels? > > Michael > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 2001 05:55:11 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hyperscale OT alert! Message-ID: <20010812125511.59.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Fri, 10 August 2001, "Nigel Rayner" wrote: Get over to Hyperscale and take a look at a fantastic 1/48 diorama of HMS > Gallant (only part of it, obviously!) and an Eduard Pup by Cam Tetrault. > Some of the shading is a little overdone for my liking but it's a fine, fine > piece of meodelling. > > Cheers, > > Nigel I agree very nice - and the shading is a tad heavy, but that's a just a personal preference. I was watching a piece on the history channel on aircraft carriers, and they had some footage of the first US navy tests. Glen Curtis taking off in a very early/primitive AC - off an odd looking heavily sloped ramp. I liked the look of the ship as well- had that pre-ww1 look. I was a little surprised because I had never heard of this before, and I thought the US Navy was staunchly anti-airplane. In any case - it would make a great diorama, but what a huge effort, right now I can't even get up any momemtum on this pup. I have to stop playing Diablo 2 - it's sucking up my free time - these games can be addictive. BTW - nice ot model from Andrei on Hyperscale as well check it out Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 15:21:16 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: "WW1 Modeling List" Subject: Nieuport lacing Message-ID: <005601c12333$1945e5c0$c0e422d4@s> A very specific question: does anyone positively know which material was used for the front fuselage lacing of Nieuport 10 - 27 ? Thanks in advance ! Alberto Casirati Honorary Keeper - Aviation Section Bergamo Museum of History www.museostoricobg.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 15:14:03 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: "WW1 Modeling List" Subject: Re: Nieuport clones Message-ID: <005401c12333$17e56b60$c0e422d4@s> In my modest view, it is an Euler D.I. Although the picture does not let appreciate several details, a key element is clearly visible and it demonstrates that it cannot be a Nieuport of any kind: infact, rear centre section struts are parallel to each other (as in the Euler), while all Nieuport sesquiplane fighters of WW1 had those struts almost meeting under the top wing. To me, it certainly does not appear to be a SS D.I. AFAIK, Euler and Siemens Schuckert built Nieuport clones from the Bébé (Nieuport Ni 11). Alberto Casirati Honorary Keeper - Aviation Section Bergamo Museum of History www.museostoricobg.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 09:38:40 EDT From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Odp: Re: Nieuport clones Message-ID: In a message dated 12/08/01 13:41:42 GMT Daylight Time, grzem@yahoo.com writes: << the most mysterious thing is wingspan of SSW D.I. Sources gives numbers between 7.50 m (like N.11) and 8.16m (like N.17) >> I always took it to be more like the 11 than the 17. Certainly if I were building one that's where I'd start. The picture that set this off BTW I now know to have been taken from Squadron Signal's Nieuport book, so no surprise there then. Those in the know have confirmed that it is a Euler DI. As it was so obvious, even to me and on first sight, that this wasn't a Nieuport I'm wondering how do I get a job with SS as a proof reader. Got to be better money than I get for guarding a few million boxes of corn flakes. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 08:46:11 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: need help, and quick Message-ID: <3B7688A3.2E3663DC@bellsouth.net> Hi Listee's, For some reason, I'm not seeing my posts on the list, but I'm still getting list mail. I suspect my server may be holding up my outgoing mail. Could someone tell me if this shows up in the list? Thanks. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 08:51:03 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: need help, and quick Message-ID: <3B7689C7.B20035C9@bellsouth.net> Never mind. Ernest Thomas wrote: > > Hi Listee's, > For some reason, I'm not seeing my posts on the list, but I'm still > getting list mail. I suspect my server may be holding up my outgoing > mail. Could someone tell me if this shows up in the list? > Thanks. > E. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3604 **********************