WWI Digest 3583 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) "it's just a matter of taste"... was Re: Opinions solicited ref. WWI Flight Sims (e.g. Red Baron 3D) by "Gaston Graf" 2) Happy Birthday Steve! by Andreikor@aol.com 3) eBay item 1621564253 (Ends Aug-04-01 150243 PDT ) - 5 Blue Max 1-48 WW1 Aircraft by "Lyle Lamboley" 4) Re: what's a gear? was RE: RE: Yellowing decals by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) 5) Re: Ebay Alias's and wwimodeler by Allan Wright 6) SPAD sharing by "Matt Bittner" 7) Weekend dispatch from the AEG FRont by "Steven Perry" 8) Re: first model by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 9) RE: Birthdays by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 10) Re: Fokker in Deutschen Museum was:Re: RE: Dutch DVII interior linen ... by KarrArt@aol.com 11) Re: first model by KarrArt@aol.com 12) WWI First Models by =?iso-8859-1?q?jim=20Prendergast?= 13) Re: Ebay Alias's and wwimodeler by "Tom Solinski" 14) A good weekend by Dennis Ugulano 15) RE: Dutch DVII interior linen colour by MAnde72343@aol.com 16) Re: Fokker in Deutschen Museum was:Re: RE: Dutch DVII interior linen ... by "Dave Watts" 17) Re: SPAD sharing by Karen Rychlewski 18) Re: Fokker in Deutschen Museum was:Re: RE: Dutch DVII interior li... by KarrArt@aol.com 19) RE: Dutch DVII interior linen colour by "Steven Perry" 20) Last saturday in history - the Italian front by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 21) RE: Dutch DVII interior linen colour by Shane Weier 22) ISP Problems by D F 23) Comic Camel early build pics. by Ray Boorman 24) Re: first model by "dfernet0" 25) RE: Comic Camel early build pics. by "dfernet0" 26) RE: Last saturday in history - the Italian front by "dfernet0" 27) RE: Dutch DVII interior linen colour by "Steven Perry" 28) Re: First OT kits by ibs4421@commandnet.net 29) Re: first model by ibs4421@commandnet.net 30) Re: first model by ibs4421@commandnet.net 31) Re: first model by ibs4421@commandnet.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 00:24:20 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: "it's just a matter of taste"... was Re: Opinions solicited ref. WWI Flight Sims (e.g. Red Baron 3D) Message-ID: I respect and accept your opinion regarding RBII and CA, but honesty said I cannot understand your statement below: > To be honest, I still like Flying Corps. > I played FC too because it was first available before RBII but it proved to be the worst bullshit to me that ever got sold as a sim. Landings was almost impossible and the FMs was simply crap. The Nieups broke up in the air if you only dared to think that you will pull up. The campaigns was the worst thing that people ever included in a sim - for instance if you became a squadron leader and lost some of your men in combat you got dismissed. MvR would have been send to Siberia if he would have been judjed after the FC campaign system. The only positive side of it was that the landscape looked much better because it was based on real recon photos and the aircraft could explode in the air. In RBII the landscape looks a bit more cartoon like but the buildings, bridges and ground vehicles are destroyable and you can have much fun chasing your opponent through valleys or under bridges - especially if you play oline against human PC pilots. You can see water fountains when you shoot into water and when you land wounded the rescue vehicle rings its bell and drives to you immediately. Well, the monkey once said "it's just a matter of taste" before he swallowed a piece of soap ;o)! Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:26:38 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Happy Birthday Steve! Message-ID: <7d.18ee2f17.289f302e@aol.com> Happy Birthday, Steve... hope you have many, many more years of healthy modeling! Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:44:23 -0400 From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: Subject: eBay item 1621564253 (Ends Aug-04-01 150243 PDT ) - 5 Blue Max 1-48 WW1 Aircraft Message-ID: <006a01c11e08$947ee3c0$5bf2aec7@lylelamb> Greetings to all of you! After having a reaction to the world of computers and returning to a lifestyle similar to the 1900 House show on PBS, I decided that life sans keyboard and mouse was a bit like living in a cave. I certainly missed the repartee on this fine list... Anyway, I don't know if this is old news since it ended yesterday, but I was watching this auction and am totally amazed by the final price....this place is a Godsend for the sellers. I assume "redaxe1" isn't one of us; if so, I hope you enjoy your new kits! Cheers, Lyle http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1621564253&r=0&t=0&sh owTutorial=0&ed=996962563&indexURL=0&rd=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 20:03:46 -0600 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: what's a gear? was RE: RE: Yellowing decals Message-ID: >As to drinking coffee, wait till you experience ladies driving at >highway speed whilst putting on makeup, or the guys shaving etc >during morning commutes on most highways here. ;0) > Add to that, Ladies breast feeding babies, men and women giving them selves shots, changing cloths, changing babies diapers, having a visual fist fight with their partner, doing home work and a whole host of other activities that tend to take your mind off driving. There are times in the US where driving to work can be more of a life threatening event than flying combat missions in S.E.A. John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:32:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Ebay Alias's and wwimodeler Message-ID: <200108060132.VAA90087@mustang.sr.unh.edu> I'm actually 'pease1' not 'aew' Allan > > Ray Boorman wrote: > > > A while ago we had a list of ebay alias's for members of this list. > > Is this still being kept up to date. I'm bidding on a certain Sopwith > > Triplane and a person called wwimodeler is bidding against me. So the > > question is do I make the model expensive for him/her or is the > > person a member of this list. In which case I wont bid anymore. > > > > Ray (Aka SopwithDolphin for ebay purposes) > > Dave Zulis posted this back in October, to which I can add my own of > davef68. If anyone wants to send me thier current alias OFFLIST, I'll > update and repost this > > achound = panz-meador@vsti.com (Phillip D. Anz-Meador) > aew = Allan Wright > amadonRI = Gerry McOsker > asilid = Eric Fisher > Biggles = Brad Gossen > braille_scale_modeler = Paul A. Schwartzkopf > Brent-o = Brent Theobald > cam27 = Cameron Riley > cduckworth = Charles Duckworth > channard = Mark Shanks > davecww1 = Dave Calhoun > davekim = Dave Sterner > Redfokker = Mike Dicianna > eatons@onr.com = Richard Eaton > fflt = Jon V. Theisen > fighter2 = Shane Weier > fokker = David Watts > furzball = David Laws > graham3 = Graham Nash > hagerupk = K. Hagerup > ipms4450 = Russ Niles > JastaElf = Sharon Henderson > jberlien = Jack Berlien > kzelnick@tcainternet.com = Kenneth Zelnick > lejeune = Fernando Lamas > Lothar = John Glaser > MACFARB = MacFarb > Macsporran = Sandy Adam > mbittner = Matt Bittner > modelhound = Mike Franklin > Moritz1 = David Layton > Nieuport29 = Mike Fletcher > phoward@abilene.com = P. Howard > roguerpj@black-hole.com = Rob Johnson > Sopwithdolphin = Ray Boorman > Viper32 = Rob Woodbury > Vulture2 = Dave Zulis > winks147 = Kevin Wenker > > > > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 20:55:28 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: SPAD sharing Message-ID: <200108060153.SAA06312@avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Since it seems a little slow, thought I would give an update on the Amodel SPAD SA.2 build. I replaced the entire floor of the nacelle ('pulpit') since there's a window in it, and the kit floor is way too thick (the thickness is better for an off topic tank, then a WW1 aircraft). Took care of it with .010 sheet plastic. One more coat of paint on the inside, then I can continue adding parts on the inside (it's actually easy to do this since the back of the nacelle is separate). Still unsure of how to do the cooling "grate" on the sides - the Amodel impressions leave a lot to be desired. I don't want to dremel all the way through, only provide a large "indent" for the grill to fit over. However, it's all moot since I haven't found the right p/e for it yet. Ideas? I also started scratchbuilding the main fuselage "console" and have it at a decent point. I'll work on fitting it soon, and make sure I have my measurements right. I'm also thinking of making an extra one and sending it to Barry, especially since his SA.2 also has the wrong type of floor, or "console". So, it continues, albeit slowly. I have way too many off topic review models to finish, so I'll be working on the SA.2 the same time as some of those ... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 22:13:36 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Weekend dispatch from the AEG FRont Message-ID: <001601c11e1d$69a217c0$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> Fighting on the Fuselage Front was steady and successful all weekend. The interior structure of floors and bulkheads were created as an insertable unit. Fixing a central point of reference was the first objective. I chose the bulkhead directly behind the pilot. A piece of 10 thou card was first asaulted with scissors, then blade and finally ny sanding stick. After much hand to styrene combat the bulkhead fit. Each piece required similar efforts to conquer. The campaign was hindered by lack of intelligence, the Commander's main reference being some photos of the Canadian AEG and a few usable shots from the DF. Using the dummy in the Canadian photos as a reference, The Commander had the pilot of an Airfix Pup seconded to the AEG effort and white glued his butt in the cleaned up white metal seat. Since the cockpit edge was right at the top of the dummy's sholders, the Pup pilot was held in place and the field engineers were able to gauge where the seat bench went, His feet gave the location for the floor. The rest was by guess and by golly from the photos. The crawl throughs were cut out and everything trimmed to fit. The arrangement with the floors & bulkheads has worked out well as it will convieniently cover up where the Commander intends to run a brass rod though the fuselage to support the lower wings. The fitters will be sent in to add detail in the next wave of assaults. This looks to be a relatively easy mop up action culminating in the closure of the fuselage halves. Once joined, the fuselage seam promises to be some of the most intense filler and abrasive combat of the entire war. Recon photos of the internal structure has been added to: http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sperry03/aeg4.htm sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:09:10 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: first model Message-ID: Hi All; My first model was ot and was the Airfix FW190-D - I was about 8 and was helped by my brother to put the decals on the unpainted surface - I got upset with him cos he botched the job! The most common models in Oz at the time (1960's and 70's) were Airfix and Revell. My first OT model was at about age 12 and was the Airfix Hannover CLIIIa - I recently revisited this and found it a pleasure to build. Then came a Revell MoS N, DH-2, Airfix DH-4, and then my favourite of the time, the Revell SE5a. Then I discovered armour and Tamiya, the 1980's happened and all modelling stopped.... Talking of the Airfix DH-4, anyone know where I could get one? Neil E. (back after having list problems) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:12:06 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Birthdays Message-ID: Steve; Happy Birthday! I Hope you have a great day with lots of good (liquid) cheer! All the Best Neil E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 23:34:55 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fokker in Deutschen Museum was:Re: RE: Dutch DVII interior linen ... Message-ID: In a message dated 8/5/01 2:42:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hans.trauner@nefkom.net writes: << > Actually I think this mystery machine may be Swiss. No, not at all. It was presented by the Dutch to the Deutsches Museum. There is a text plus photo in front of the machine which shows the original markings which where revealed trough the repainting. It shows dutch markings, the four-colour version. Hans >> Hmmm.......every source I've seen on this one mentions the mystery origens of this airplane, and that some of it may have at one time been the Dutch D.VII D-20, with other parts possibly of Swiss parantage, with some American bits thrown in, and a less-than-perfect 'restoration' at some point in it's existance involved recovering which destroyed any original fabric. But- most of this information is years (in some cases decades!) old, and one of the things that make this an interesting field of study is that it's always possible for new things to be discovered! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 23:34:58 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: first model Message-ID: <37.18deba6e.289f6a62@aol.com> In a message dated 8/4/01 10:44:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Ray_Boorman@telus.net writes: << Up until I was twelve, my family lived near Wimbledon, a favourite saturday event for my brother and I to do was to walk the 3 miles or so to the local hobby store, which was called BMW models. >> During my "formative years", most small neighborhood mom&pop liquor and grocery stores in this part of the world sold Aurora and Revell. My Aurora DH-4 came from a liquor store about two blocks a way. The entire Revell 1/72 WW I range could be had about 200 feet from my front door at a small grocery shop. For Airfix, we had to go to Woolworth in the next town over OR venture to Knott's Berry Farm amusement park where the model railroad shop used to sell everything, including Profile Publications. I got my Airfix RE-8 there. Guillows and balsa were bought from a grumpy old #$#%^%$% who ran a bicycle shop just down the street from the liquor store. He DID carry a pretty good line of Guillows, Sterling, dope, Ambroid cement, wood etc, but whew- he was mean old @$#^%$. RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:35:59 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?jim=20Prendergast?= To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: WWI First Models Message-ID: <20010806033559.72557.qmail@web14401.mail.yahoo.com> My first modelI made I think was a cardboard model of a DC2 or 3 curtesy of Colgates toothpaste during promotion of a film about airliners sometime in 30s. First flying model was a ready made rubberpowered stick model (Jap) with bamboo framed and silk covered wings. Price One and eleven pence halfpenny (If anyone can still remember that sort of currency in Aust.) First model built was a Spitfire buggared up with a coat of blue house paint over unstretched tissue. First flying model built was built from an Aeromodeller plan which met it's doom due to a suitcase heaved up on my wardrobe by mum during a fit of housecleaning!(c1938) First solids built during RAAF days...including a SE5a from a forgotten kit featuring plastic Lewis from irredescent blue, plastic wheels etc. and a Dr1 of similar vintage. First plastics mail ordered from American Hobby Center New York was group of interwar US types including Curtis SBC1 (with Coke bottle canopy) Boeing P-26 and Zero sometime in early fifties. Still have all of the above solids and plastics.... plus well over 500 additional! Still have 240 unbuilt kits, enough to see me, at current rate of production, reaching 94! Jim P. (As you slide down the bannister of life,may the splinters never point the wrong way!) _____________________________________________________________________________ http://messenger.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger - Voice chat, mail alerts, stock quotes and favourite news and lots more! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 22:40:56 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Ebay Alias's and wwimodeler Message-ID: <003001c11e29$9a0cb120$a6a20d41@Solinski.okcnc1.ok.home.com> Ray and list, sorry don't have Rays address tskipo4@home.com= Thomas Solinski ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 23:42:00 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: A good weekend Message-ID: <200108052342_MC3-DB7E-3260@compuserve.com> Everyone, This has been a good modelling weekend. The vacuform fuselage is closed up and in the sanding stage. The wings are sanded. The other kit is the Airfix Hannover and it's fuselage is also closed and being sanded. This one is for a customer. All in all, a good weekend. Even watched a movie. It wasn't about WW1 so it doesn't count. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 7/30/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 00:16:12 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Dutch DVII interior linen colour Message-ID: <9c.11b7b4f6.289f740c@aol.com> I thought Tony Fokker brought out several partially completed D. VII with him when he left Germany on that trainload of parts just ahead of the Allies. IIRC he made several "new" D. VII for the Dutch Government, post war, so they may or may not have been covered in loz, the pictures I have seen are solid colored, painted over loz, or painted over plain linen? Merrill. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 23:21:45 -0500 From: "Dave Watts" To: Subject: Re: Fokker in Deutschen Museum was:Re: RE: Dutch DVII interior linen ... Message-ID: I had a chance to take a close look at this airplane a few years back, and there are several things that are not of wartime production Fokker, Albatros, or O.A.W. origin. I recall that the fuel tank has a builder's badge of Dutch origin. There was something about the instruments and some other obvious problems. Once I came to the conclusion that the plane was of various origins, and not from WW1, I lost interest and stopped making observations. I believe there was a write up on this plane in either WW1 Aero, or Cross and Cockade. Best, Dave W. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of KarrArt@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 10:38 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Fokker in Deutschen Museum was:Re: RE: Dutch DVII interior linen ... In a message dated 8/5/01 2:42:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hans.trauner@nefkom.net writes: << > Actually I think this mystery machine may be Swiss. No, not at all. It was presented by the Dutch to the Deutsches Museum. There is a text plus photo in front of the machine which shows the original markings which where revealed trough the repainting. It shows dutch markings, the four-colour version. Hans >> Hmmm.......every source I've seen on this one mentions the mystery origens of this airplane, and that some of it may have at one time been the Dutch D.VII D-20, with other parts possibly of Swiss parantage, with some American bits thrown in, and a less-than-perfect 'restoration' at some point in it's existance involved recovering which destroyed any original fabric. But- most of this information is years (in some cases decades!) old, and one of the things that make this an interesting field of study is that it's always possible for new things to be discovered! RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 00:24:53 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: SPAD sharing Message-ID: <3B6E1C15.11348874@earthlink.net> Matt Bittner wrote: > >snips< > > Still unsure of how to do the cooling "grate" on the sides - the Amodel > impressions leave a lot to be desired. I don't want to dremel all the > way through, only provide a large "indent" for the grill to fit over. > However, it's all moot since I haven't found the right p/e for it yet. > Ideas? There are several companies that sell PE mesh, but how 'bout a bit of panty hose? Stretch it out with pins and CA the dickens out of it. Thinned white glue might work too. Dame Karen (who, before you ask, doesn't have any panty hose to spare and if she did would probably send them to Gaston) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 00:26:36 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fokker in Deutschen Museum was:Re: RE: Dutch DVII interior li... Message-ID: <78.18b26b11.289f767c@aol.com> In a message dated 8/5/01 9:22:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, davew@wattstrainshop.com writes: << I believe there was a write up on this plane in either WW1 Aero, or Cross and Cockade. Best, Dave W. >> Yeah- I was straining my poor brain trying to remember the details from a long-ago C&C USA piece....without having to go dig through the bookcase- it's too hot and humid here in Southern California tonight! RK....off to the showers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 00:29:46 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: RE: Dutch DVII interior linen colour Message-ID: <001101c11e30$6dcd0220$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> > I thought Tony Fokker brought out several partially completed D. VII with him > when he left Germany on that trainload of parts just ahead of the Allies. > IIRC he made several "new" D. VII for the Dutch Government, post war, so they > may or may not have been covered in loz, the pictures I have seen are solid > colored, painted over loz, or painted over plain linen? Considering that we are talking about "Mr Bottom Line" here, I would say he used Loz if he had any in his trainload of booty, otherwise the cheapest linen available. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 08:37:41 +0200 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "Wwi Modeling List (Posta elettronica)" Subject: Last saturday in history - the Italian front Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E906F0B6@SERVER1> 04-08-1915: the second Isonzo battle ends 04-08-1916: the sixth Isonzo battle begins: it will lead to the conquest of Gorizia by Italian troops. Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:14:37 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Dutch DVII interior linen colour Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD3AB@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> SP says: > Considering that we are talking about "Mr Bottom Line" here, > I would say he > used Loz if he had any in his trainload of booty, otherwise > the cheapest linen available. Beware. I believe that this observation is based primarily on AR Weyls discredited biography repeated until it has reached the status of something "everyone knows" Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. 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Message-ID: <20010806093037.IJID838.priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray> To show how far behind I am in my Sopwith Cookup entry I've uploaded some construction shots of my Comic Camel The First is my attempt at a cockpit interior for the blue rider conversion. Its done as per the Steve Perry Method and with the exception of the cockpit seat is all from scratch. Not great at present but hey at least I managed to get the fuselage halves cut out without them being sanded to banana shapes as per most of my vac attempts. This was before I added a Joystick. http://www3.telus.net/Jasta2000/cockpit.jpg These two are after the fuselage was closed up, but before it is cleaned up and filled. Still some gaps in the halves that will need some milliput I think. Plus the fuselage bottom has a nasty bow inwards that will need to be filled. http://www3.telus.net/Jasta2000/comic.jpg http://www3.telus.net/Jasta2000/comic2.jpg I'm working on cleaning up the fuselage and then its off to derib the Airfix wings with lots of sanding. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 07:18:44 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Re: first model Message-ID: <00d801c11e61$2c427b60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> It was when I was about 7 yrs. old, an Airfix Albatros D.V molded in lilac plastic, IIRC. My cousin -that was building models since a while ago- helped me to put that thingie togheter. I left the pilot unglued so I can make him bail out in flight or leave the plane while parked. D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 08:12:27 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Comic Camel early build pics. Message-ID: <01c001c11e68$ad8fd080$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Well done, Ray! It's gonna be a great model. Besides, I like the camel much better when it doesn't have the hump over the cowl. Keep up with it! D. I'm still too far behind with my Albatros cook up project.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Boorman To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 6:33 AM Subject: [WWI] Comic Camel early build pics. > To show how far behind I am in my Sopwith Cookup entry I've uploaded > some construction shots of my Comic Camel > > The First is my attempt at a cockpit interior for the blue rider > conversion. Its done as per the Steve Perry Method and with the > exception of the cockpit seat is all from scratch. Not great at > present but hey at least I managed to get the fuselage halves cut out > without them being sanded to banana shapes as per most of my vac > attempts. This was before I added a Joystick. > > http://www3.telus.net/Jasta2000/cockpit.jpg > > These two are after the fuselage was closed up, but before it is > cleaned up and filled. Still some gaps in the halves that will need > some milliput I think. Plus the fuselage bottom has a nasty bow > inwards that will need to be filled. > > http://www3.telus.net/Jasta2000/comic.jpg > http://www3.telus.net/Jasta2000/comic2.jpg > > I'm working on cleaning up the fuselage and then its off to derib the > Airfix wings with lots of sanding. > > Ray > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 08:13:32 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Last saturday in history - the Italian front Message-ID: <01cc01c11e68$d47d5460$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Ciao Alberto! It clearly shows that humans are the only animals that trips over the same rock over and over again. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:48 AM Subject: [WWI] Last saturday in history - the Italian front > 04-08-1915: the second Isonzo battle ends > 04-08-1916: the sixth Isonzo battle begins: it will lead to the conquest of Gorizia by Italian troops. > > Alberto Casirati > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 07:49:27 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: RE: Dutch DVII interior linen colour Message-ID: <001801c11e6d$d89fbba0$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> > SP says: > > > Considering that we are talking about "Mr Bottom Line" here, > > I would say he > > used Loz if he had any in his trainload of booty, otherwise > > the cheapest linen available. > > Beware. I believe that this observation is based primarily on AR Weyls > discredited biography repeated until it has reached the status of something > "everyone knows" > Shane Never read Weyl. Based my statement on the number of his designs that had to be recalled for shoddy work or materials. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:51:53 -0500 From: ibs4421@commandnet.net To: Subject: Re: First OT kits Message-ID: <001101c11dce$ef53ce80$783dfad1@esther> I take back the the previous statement I made about my first OT kit. After reflection on those kits I built asa kid, I remember that I bought an Aurora Nie. 17 when I was about 8 years old. dark OD plastic, had the Le Prieur (sp?) rockets, and markings for the Lafeyette Esc. IIRC. Warren > My first OT kits were the Revell Dr I and the Sopwith Camel, along with the > MPC "Ballon Buster" set which had a 1/72nd scale SPAD XIII and a set of the > Airfix German troops. I think I was 10, and it was 1971. I loved the box > art on the little Revell kits. Shortly after that I managed to get hold of > the 1/28th Dr I and Sopwith Camel. I've still got my 1/28th Frank Luke SPAD > unbuilt. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:04:35 -0500 From: ibs4421@commandnet.net To: Subject: Re: first model Message-ID: <002901c11dd0$b4e9aa60$783dfad1@esther> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gaston Graf" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 9:56 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: first model > > Anyway, what where *your*very first OT kits, listees? Tell type, > > manufacturer and age when you did it! > > Kit: Airfix PBY Catalina 1/72, series 2, age 8. Did not know how to handle > the decals and didn't read the assembly instructions either so I cut them > out with scissors and glued them onto the model. > Second model was the Fokker F27 - didn't paint these first models. Third > model was the Ju87, series 1. Build it and painted it with water colors in > one afternoon. Then I build the series 1 Gloster Gladiator in the same > afternoon and after that I can't remember my "production chain" anymore. But > I had build a lot of Airfix models and always preferred Airfix over Revell. > My mother didn't like it to see that I spend my allowances for such "stupid > plastic things" so I mostly hide them from her. > I remember the most exciting moment always was to bring the kit home and > open the box. And so it is still today! > > Will you setup statistics about the average age listies was as they started > modeling, Hans? ;o) > > Gaston Graf > (ggraf@vo.lu) > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: > http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:07:46 -0500 From: ibs4421@commandnet.net To: Subject: Re: first model Message-ID: <002d01c11dd1$267bc320$783dfad1@esther> > Will you setup statistics about the average age listies was as they started > modeling, Hans? ;o) > Gaston, I started at age 5 with an ot kit, Revell's 1/72nd B-17 "Memphis Belle". My spinster, "tomboy" aunt bought me the kit and helped me build it. The family went to Memphis on vaction the next week (where my Mom and her sisters grew up) and I got to see the real thing. Despite her sory state at that time, I was still impressed. It helped to start a life-long love affair with anything with wings and a prop. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:27:54 -0500 From: ibs4421@commandnet.net To: Subject: Re: first model Message-ID: <006501c11dd3$f72e5bc0$783dfad1@esther> > I'm glad the question was asked about our first OT builds. Thinking about > those first kits brings back many good memories. > Rick Milas I'm glad too Rick, it's made me take a trip or two down memory lane, and helps me to try and see how my son may, or may not, view building models. My parents always encouraged reading of any sort, whether it was "Sgt. Rock" and "Enemy Ace" comics, or "real" books. Ergo, my mother developed the habit of dropping me at the library when she would go have her hair done. (Making a young boy endure a beauty shop is cruel and unusual punishment.) After wearing everything in the childrens section out that was of any interest to me, I clandestinely wandered over to the grownup section of the library and started wandering the stacks. What should meet my eye but a copy of "Aircraft of World War I" by Kenneth Munson, and they would even let me check it out! I was hooked even more now. I have unconciously been looking for this book ever since, and recently was able to get a copy. I told my son it would be the start of"our" WWI aviation library. Aside from OT kits, is there an OT book that really hooked you early on? Shortly after Munson's book, I bought a paperback through my school's Weekly Reader program that profiled several of the WWI aces. Wish I could find a copy of that for my boy, he would like it. Warren ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3583 **********************