WWI Digest 3582 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) what's a gear? was RE: RE: Yellowing decals by "Gaston Graf" 2) Re: what's a gear? was RE: RE: Yellowing decals by Ray Boorman 3) OT Add-On for CFSII by NodalPoint@aol.com 4) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=2020Re:=20[WWI]=20Mus=E9e=20de=20l'Air?= by KarrArt@aol.com 5) Rare Revell kits by Andreikor@aol.com 6) RE: Dutch DVII interior linen colour by KarrArt@aol.com 7) First Kits by Andreikor@aol.com 8) Slow Day by MAnde72343@aol.com 9) RE: Birthdays by "Nigel Rayner" 10) Re: Rare Revell kits by Ray Boorman 11) Re: Slow Day by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 12) RE: Yellowing decals by "Jay M. Thompson" 13) Re: Slow Day by "Steven Perry" 14) Re: Slow Day by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 15) Re: First Kits by KarrArt@aol.com 16) Milk and cereals was Re: what's a gear? was RE: RE: Yellowing decals by "Gaston Graf" 17) Re: More AEG recon photos by "cameron rile" 18) RE: OT Add-On for CFSII by "Gaston Graf" 19) RE: Dutch DVII interior linen colour by "cameron rile" 20) WRONG URL SEND - HERE's THE CORRECT ONE TO ALPHASIM was RE: OT Add-On for CFSII by "Gaston Graf" 21) Re: OT Add-On for CFSII by "Lee M." 22) e-bay alias by "Tom Plesha" 23) Opinions solicited ref. WWI Flight Sims (e.g. Red Baron 3D) by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 24) RE: Yellowing decals by "Hans Trauner" 25) Fokker in Deutschen Museum was:Re: RE: Dutch DVII interior linen colour by "Hans Trauner" 26) Re: Ebay Alias's and wwimodeler by David Fleming 27) Re: Opinions solicited ref. WWI Flight Sims (e.g. Red Baron 3D) by "Hans Trauner" 28) RE: Opinions solicited ref. WWI Flight Sims (e.g. Red Baron 3D) by "Gaston Graf" 29) about "real men" was RE: Yellowing decals by "Gaston Graf" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:01:47 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: what's a gear? was RE: RE: Yellowing decals Message-ID: > > Whats a gear??? It's that thing that allows your crate speeding up - regardless the system used to change from one gear to the next. On manual gear boxes the gears has to be changed by pressing the clutch pedal, then shifting a level to the next gear. Automatics - most US cars are equipped with - do it using a very complicated hydraulic system which cannot be explained in a few "ot" lines on this list. happy shifting Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 10:19:52 -0700 From: Ray Boorman To: Subject: Re: what's a gear? was RE: RE: Yellowing decals Message-ID: <20010805172009.RQQW5587.priv-edtnes27-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray> On Sun, 5 Aug 2001 13:04:15 -0400 (EDT), Gaston Graf wrote: >> >> Whats a gear??? > >It's that thing that allows your crate speeding up - regardless the >system >used to change from one gear to the next. On manual gear boxes the >gears has >to be changed by pressing the clutch pedal, then shifting a level to >the >next gear. Automatics - most US cars are equipped with - do it using >a very >complicated hydraulic system which cannot be explained in a few "ot" >lines >on this list. That was my somewhat ironic point Gaston, I'll wager you that more than 90% of US cars are automatic hence the drinking coffee, which in American market cars is much easier since they give you cup holders right on the dash. For years I drove a stickshift since hey I learned to drive in the UK, but even I finally gave in and went native. The funniest part of this is that when you pass the driving test in Canada or the States, you can use an automatic or stickshift immediately after. There is no differentiation in license as there is in much of Europe. It can be quite funny watching perfectly good drivers who took there test on a typical drivers-ed automatic and then buy there first stick-shift car, doing the kangaroo jump all the way down the road. As to drinking coffee, wait till you experience ladies driving at highway speed whilst putting on makeup, or the guys shaving etc during morning commutes on most highways here. ;0) Ray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 13:46:53 EDT From: NodalPoint@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: OT Add-On for CFSII Message-ID: <8c.a7ed521.289ee08d@aol.com> Hi, What is the name of the new WWI add-on for CFSII and where can it be purchased? Does it just use the South Pacific scenery? What aircraft does it include? Is it as good as Red Baron 3D? Feel free to contact off-list if this is too off-topic. Thanks, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:09:32 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=2020Re:=20[WWI]=20Mus=E9e=20de=20l'Air?= Message-ID: <7a.18bececb.289ee5dc@aol.com> In a message dated 8/4/01 8:35:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, krychski@earthlink.net writes: << BTW, can anyone provide directions to the Lafayette Escadrille Memorial? Next time I'm in Paris I'd like to see it--last time, I couldn't find a single Frenchman who even knew where it was, much less how to get there. >> I don't know how to get there (turn right at Iceland?)...but- Anyway- one of the most interesting parts of the Lafayette book was the political battle about building the memorial. It got quite vicious with the father of the Prince brothers wanting to make the memorial a tribute to Norman at the expense of everyone else. Thaw and Thenault were particularly teed off at Ol'Man Prince, who for years had spead half-truths and outright lies about Norman being the founder of the Lafayette. After all this, there was also the fight about who could be buried there- and in many cases, this was based on mere animosity about one pilot or the other. Nobody from the entire organization comes off very well....except maybe Thaw and Thenault. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:13:34 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Rare Revell kits Message-ID: <29.18b88c82.289ee6ce@aol.com> Mark wrote: Third was the Camel. Today, M-I-B, these kits go for around 20.00. Pretty reasonable even today! They are definitely among my nostalgic favorites... the box art was worth the price of admission alone. Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:14:37 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Dutch DVII interior linen colour Message-ID: In a message dated 8/5/01 9:15:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hans.trauner@nefkom.net writes: << > Uhmmm........... isn't the D.VII on display at the German Museum in Munich a > Dutch machine? Yes, definitely. And it's only overpainted, not recovered. >> Actually I think this mystery machine may be Swiss- or at least partly, and it has (or had)strange features not found on other D.VII (Some American instruments, odd metal nose panels--- the thing is a squatting anomoly). RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:16:02 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: First Kits Message-ID: <80.e232d84.289ee762@aol.com> RK wrote: Robert... What was your Mom's reaction to the pilot burning up in the cockpit???? Cheers, Andrei Andrei Koribanics II 8 Falcon Place Wayne, NJ 07470 USA Voice/Fax: 973-696-9378 email: andreikor@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:31:06 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Slow Day Message-ID: Having a slow day here, heat index at @110 (F), It's not supposed to get this hot in Minnesota, and it's probably "not worth mentioning" for those of you in tropical climates, but it slows things way down here. Can't seem to get moving, and I need to pack, I'm supposed to be out of here by the 15th, and haven't even started packing my OT kits yet. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:51:24 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: Birthdays Message-ID: <000001c11ddf$a071a740$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Steve P wrote: >Today is my birthday (49) and that sure makes a nicer present >than any styrene I probably won't be getting. Happy birthday sp! It's mine on the 7th and it's some consolation I'm "only" going to be 44. Now what's that about us Leos being shy, modest, retiring types..... Have one on me, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:57:54 -0700 From: Ray Boorman To: Subject: Re: Rare Revell kits Message-ID: <20010805190125.KQOL9123.priv-edtnes11-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray> On Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:17:42 -0400 (EDT), Andreikor@aol.com wrote: >Mark wrote: >three kits >in one box, I'm sure it had the Morain Saulner, and I think the >Eindecker, >can't remember the third> >these days> > >Third was the Camel. >Today, M-I-B, these kits go for around 20.00. Pretty reasonable >even today! >They are definitely among my nostalgic favorites... the box art was >worth >the price of admission alone. >Cheers, >Andrei > Of all the Revell 1/72 scalers I never could ever find the DH2. Even today this is a very hard kit to find, its also the only one I havent built. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 15:06:38 EDT From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Slow Day Message-ID: <108.396467f.289ef33e@aol.com> I can sympathize with you, Merrill, it hasn't been much better here in Texas for quite some time. I water the grass to keep it alive but it also makes it grow. At this moment, I'm looking at the lawn out the window, thinking about mowing it, but it's too hot. Maybe tomorrow morning . . .early. Packing to move is always about as much fun as a toothache. One thing I found that helps with kits, since you may not be able to unpack them immediately at the new place, is to make a numbered packing list for each box, one for file, one for the box and mark the box with a big black magic marker. That way you'll be able to find a kit without digging through all the boxes. But then you already know this and I'm probably trying to tell Noah about the flood. I had "futured" the gray plastic of my Revell 1/28 Fokker D.VII in preparation for the lozenge decal. In my usual manner, I then sought advice on how to do it. Seems that painting it close to the lightest color on the lozenge is the thing to do. So now I've primed it prior to applying a coat of pink. . . reminds me of the movie that had a pink submarine. I'm using enamels so it's a much slower process waiting for the paint to dry. Had been using acrylics but like the way enamels cover better. A lot more bother to use (mask, ventilation, etc.) and clean up is a chore. Yes, it's a slow day and I'm wasting the bandwith, procrastinating about spraying pink paint. Yuck!! VBR, Mike Kavanaugh In a message dated Sun, 5 Aug 2001 2:33:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MAnde72343@aol.com writes: > Having a slow day here, heat index at @110 (F), It's not supposed to get this > hot in Minnesota, and it's probably "not worth mentioning" for those of you > in tropical climates, but it slows things way down here. Can't seem to get > moving, and I need to pack, I'm supposed to be out of here by the 15th, and > haven't even started packing my OT kits yet. > Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 14:23:17 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Yellowing decals Message-ID: There ARE those of us in the States that don't drive automatic transmission cars, me among them. I hate automatic transmissions, you don't have nearly the control you do with a stick, and (IMO) they're just downright boring. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Gaston Graf Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 12:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Yellowing decals > > Oh! Lucky U.S. car drivers! Can drink coffee while driving. We Europeans > need our right ( of left, if british) arm to change gear... > H. > Not everybody - our next car will definetly be equipped with the new sequentronic gearbox with 6 gears ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:25:45 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Slow Day Message-ID: <003301c11de4$fcc80340$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> Mike: Cut a small piece of your loz and soak it in water to get it off the backing. Look at the back side of the decal. On A/G loz there is a base coat of paint solid enough that nothing shows through. If you loz is this way you can save the hassle of painting a base coat. hth sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 16:49:20 EDT From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Slow Day Message-ID: Steve, Thank you, you are right. I tried the underside loz as it was lighter and it had a solid tan undercoat. Now having primed them, I can "re-future" the wings and certain fuselage sections and get on with the decal covering. At least the fuselage priming wasn't wasted. There are some areas to be painted including CSM's resin cowl panels. I have several A-G decal sheets and they look great but this is the first one to be used. Happy birthday, Steve. You aren't old yet tho' you may feel it. Being a Scorpio, I'm not shy, modest and retiring. I am twice retired and two days ago I received a Medicare package from the feds since I'll be 65 in November. Social Security and Medicare. . . new concepts to live with. Now, only the older listees may be able to relate to this: "When I was young, it was wine, women and song; now it's Metrecal, same old gal and Sing Along with Mitch". VBR, Mike Kavanaugh In a message dated Sun, 5 Aug 2001 3:28:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Steven Perry" writes: > Mike: > > Cut a small piece of your loz and soak it in water to get it off the > backing. Look at the back side of the decal. On A/G loz there is a base coat > of paint solid enough that nothing shows through. If you loz is this way you > can save the hassle of painting a base coat. > hth > sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 16:50:24 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: First Kits Message-ID: In a message dated 8/5/01 11:18:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Andreikor@aol.com writes: << Robert... What was your Mom's reaction to the pilot burning up in the cockpit???? Cheers, Andrei >> I guess those were different times.....sigh........she had no problem with the box art- if anything she probably thought the colors were kind of pretty! On the other hand, Topps (the baseball card people) issued a series of Civil War bubble gum cards during all the 100th anniversary hoopla of the early sixties- some of these were pretty pretty gruesome- blood, disembodied parts flying through the air...sharks chewing up sailors in the sea battle depictions- I thought they were great- my mom thought otherwise (but I still bought the cards, chewed the gum and had a good time) RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 22:54:25 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Milk and cereals was Re: what's a gear? was RE: RE: Yellowing decals Message-ID: > The funniest part of this is that when you pass the driving test in > Canada or the States, you can use an automatic or stickshift > immediately after. There is no differentiation in license as there is > in much of Europe. At least in this country, no difference is made between automatics and manual transmissions for ones license. It is not mentionned that I will have to drive stickshift cars only. > > It can be quite funny watching perfectly good drivers who took there > test on a typical drivers-ed automatic and then buy there first > stick-shift car, doing the kangaroo jump all the way down the road. > I think it is easier to switch from stickshift to automatic than vice-versa. I needed a few minutes to figure out how that thing worked because MBs are a bit special sometimes. They have an all electronic key now that can be removed only when the shift lever is in park position. Also that transmission was manually shiftable - in the D position one had to push the stick to the right for one gear up, and to the left for one gear down. The sports and normal drive programs could be changed by pushing another button next to the lever. The sequentronic transmission that I mentionned is a semi-automatic transmission. Like in a racing car one pushes the lever forward to shift up and backward to shift down, to the left for all automatic shift and to the right for driving backwards. The difference between an normal full auto transmission and the sequentroni is that one still feels the shifting as if one is driving a manual transmission. On good automatics on does not feel the shifting. I noticed that after I had gotten back my car, I drove down the road and for one moment at about 3000rpm I suddenly thought: "damn, why doesn't that thing shift to the next gear now?" as I suddenly realized that it was ME who had to do the shifting job again. Some people may think that automatic transmissions are boring, but I think they are a pleasure to drive in the daily stop-and-go traffic on our always jammed roads in the rush hours. > As to drinking coffee, wait till you experience ladies driving at > highway speed whilst putting on makeup, or the guys shaving etc > during morning commutes on most highways here. ;0) You never met a Luxie locomotive engineer who is very much used to drink coffee, unpack his lunch, cutting bread or smoked fish and eating while he's driving a train at 90mph. Also mixing milk with Maple leaf sirup and adding cereals to it is no problem while watching instruments, tracks and signals and off course applying the brakes to stop at a platform to collect the passengers. It's all a matter of experience and I hate it to just sit there and drive because it is damn boring to stare out of a windscreen. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 17:03:04 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: More AEG recon photos Message-ID: Steve, >I just find it easier to cut long, then sneak >up on it with succesive nibbles. Thanks. I have had problems on most kits getting the cross ribs to match up/fit without gaps. If I build a self containted cockpit, the side ribs often dont touch the fuselage skin, and if I stick the ribbing to the fuselage skin, then the cross struts often look funny. cam AFC - http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/ ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 23:01:21 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: OT Add-On for CFSII Message-ID: Steve, I think that OT sims are as much OT as OT plastic can be, so here's the URL: http://www.alphasim.com The birds are looking much better than in RB3D but I personally did not test fly them yet. Hans gave quite a detailed description about his experiences. AfaIk it uses European scenery indeed because it wouldn't make any sense to fly WW1 battles over the Pacific islands. beware of the Hun in the Sun (it could be me) ;o) Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > Hi, > > What is the name of the new WWI add-on for CFSII and where can it be > purchased? > > Does it just use the South Pacific scenery? What aircraft does it > include? Is > it as good as Red Baron 3D? > > Feel free to contact off-list if this is too off-topic. > > Thanks, > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 17:10:44 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Dutch DVII interior linen colour Message-ID: <2687DCBF96985D115AA60005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com> Shane, > > >reversed lozenge? (assuming the aircraft is one >of the few captured, or was flown to >Holland immediately post war in loz and merely >overpainted with Dutch D.VII colour) > ><\uninformed guess 2> I like that idea better, for lack of better evidence it wins. It should also contrast well with the dark, dull, drab exterior the instructions have for it. Gaston, The Dutch Fokker DVII on your page was in lozenge. Attractive aircraft but not what I was looking for sorry. One of the Roden decal options is for a "DVIIF, Netherlands Marineluchtvaardiesnt, 1919-1920". It has the big orange circles for it's markings. It is serialed D-20. The instructions have it to be painted as Matt Olive Drab, the In action book has a similarly marked DVII with the sub-title it is dark brown. Anyone have an inner line to the colouring of the Dutch Marine DVII's? Dark Brown will probably contrast better with the orange national markings ;) cam AFC - http://members.nbci.com/pointcook/ ________________________________________ Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 23:10:42 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: WRONG URL SEND - HERE's THE CORRECT ONE TO ALPHASIM was RE: OT Add-On for CFSII Message-ID: Steve, unfortunately I gave you the wrong URL. The correct one is http://www.alphasim.co.uk. It is NOT alphasim.com because it is a British company. Alphasim.com leads you to a sports website. Sorry again Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 16:22:55 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: OT Add-On for CFSII Message-ID: <3B6C67AF.B9C3E0D7@x25.net> I want info on that add-on or a separate program if that is how it comes. NodalPoint@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > What is the name of the new WWI add-on for CFSII and where can it be > purchased? > > Does it just use the South Pacific scenery? What aircraft does it include? Is > it as good as Red Baron 3D? > > Feel free to contact off-list if this is too off-topic. > > Thanks, > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 17:25:08 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: e-bay alias Message-ID: <001301c11df5$1a4f9260$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi Everyone- To respond to Ray's comment about e-bay alias id's FWIW Mine is 327TOM Later Tom S.E.MI. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 17:24:58 EDT From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Opinions solicited ref. WWI Flight Sims (e.g. Red Baron 3D) Message-ID: <92.18831a18.289f13aa@aol.com> >From Hans Trauner's description I don't think I would be very interested in the WWI add-on for CFS2. (I won't be getting a PC until October anyway.) I understand that the Sopwith Camel was a tricky ship to put to starboard, but so much so that in a flight sim one would recommend avoiding right turns altogether? I remember playing Red Baron years ago. I wouldn't know much about how mild or severe this or that effect ought to be on an aeroplane so I would be interested to hear from those who have a definite opinion about the WWI flight sims available. Thanks, Steve di Giacomo In a message dated 8/5/1 1:49:44 PM, NodalPoint@aol.com writes: << Hi, What is the name of the new WWI add-on for CFSII and where can it be purchased? Does it just use the South Pacific scenery? What aircraft does it include? Is it as good as Red Baron 3D? Feel free to contact off-list if this is too off-topic. Thanks, Steve >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 23:38:30 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: RE: Yellowing decals Message-ID: <001a01c11df6$f8740d40$0aab72d4@FRITZweb> Gaston! *Real* men use clutch and shitft gear manually! ( As somebody else said: Real men use enamels!) H. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 23:43:38 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Fokker in Deutschen Museum was:Re: RE: Dutch DVII interior linen colour Message-ID: <002801c11df7$aff23be0$0aab72d4@FRITZweb> > Actually I think this mystery machine may be Swiss. No, not at all. It was presented by the Dutch to the Deutsches Museum. There is a text plus photo in front of the machine which shows the original markings which where revealed trough the repainting. It shows dutch markings, the four-colour version. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 22:31:16 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Ebay Alias's and wwimodeler Message-ID: <3B6DBB23.5F76F8A1@dial.pipex.com> Ray Boorman wrote: > A while ago we had a list of ebay alias's for members of this list. > Is this still being kept up to date. I'm bidding on a certain Sopwith > Triplane and a person called wwimodeler is bidding against me. So the > question is do I make the model expensive for him/her or is the > person a member of this list. In which case I wont bid anymore. > > Ray (Aka SopwithDolphin for ebay purposes) Dave Zulis posted this back in October, to which I can add my own of davef68. If anyone wants to send me thier current alias OFFLIST, I'll update and repost this achound = panz-meador@vsti.com (Phillip D. Anz-Meador) aew = Allan Wright amadonRI = Gerry McOsker asilid = Eric Fisher Biggles = Brad Gossen braille_scale_modeler = Paul A. Schwartzkopf Brent-o = Brent Theobald cam27 = Cameron Riley cduckworth = Charles Duckworth channard = Mark Shanks davecww1 = Dave Calhoun davekim = Dave Sterner Redfokker = Mike Dicianna eatons@onr.com = Richard Eaton fflt = Jon V. Theisen fighter2 = Shane Weier fokker = David Watts furzball = David Laws graham3 = Graham Nash hagerupk = K. Hagerup ipms4450 = Russ Niles JastaElf = Sharon Henderson jberlien = Jack Berlien kzelnick@tcainternet.com = Kenneth Zelnick lejeune = Fernando Lamas Lothar = John Glaser MACFARB = MacFarb Macsporran = Sandy Adam mbittner = Matt Bittner modelhound = Mike Franklin Moritz1 = David Layton Nieuport29 = Mike Fletcher phoward@abilene.com = P. Howard roguerpj@black-hole.com = Rob Johnson Sopwithdolphin = Ray Boorman Viper32 = Rob Woodbury Vulture2 = Dave Zulis winks147 = Kevin Wenker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 00:02:53 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Opinions solicited ref. WWI Flight Sims (e.g. Red Baron 3D) Message-ID: <006201c11dfa$60011e00$0aab72d4@FRITZweb> Pilots, first question was: > What is the name of the new WWI add-on for CFSII and where can it be > purchased? Name: Combat Aces Purchase: http://www.alphasim.co.uk/ as Gaoston already noted, or: http://www.justflight.com/ Sceneries are European, differed to German or Allied, summer or winter. There is an 'expansion' CD also, containing additional sorties and sceneries plus RE8 ( I love RE8...), Pfalz D III, Junkers DI, B.e.2. All a/c had their own instrument panels, but instruments are too modern. > >From Hans Trauner's description I don't think I would be very interested in > the WWI add-on for CFS2. (I won't be getting a PC until October anyway.) I > understand that the Sopwith Camel was a tricky ship to put to starboard, but > so much so that in a flight sim one would recommend avoiding right turns > altogether. The torque effects are awful, in my opinion. It's hard to turn to the left side, but easy to bank to the right. They did not understand it in all cases, as even the Siemens has this effects. Most easy to fly are S.E.5 and Fokker D VII. Flight models are not perfect. R.E.8 , Halberstadts and Bristol Fighter acts like a bunch of stunt pilots on a airshow program. This would be quite o.k. for fighters, but for two-seaters? If you don't fly the SE or the D VII it's not easy to be constantly out turned. I can't judge if the RB3D is better or not. The 'feelings' in RB are somewhat more OT, as it starts as a OT sim. It's a little bit strange to start a SIM showing Zeros and aircraft carriers in the intro and then go to Albatrosse vs. Triplanes. The colours of the a/c are more correct in RB3D, but types are more interesting in Combat Aces. To be honest, I still like Flying Corps. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 00:08:08 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Opinions solicited ref. WWI Flight Sims (e.g. Red Baron 3D) Message-ID: Steve, NO flightsim is perfect. Even the most sophisticated sims cannot reproduce the feeling of flying the real thing, therfore sims will forever remain games to me. RBII is a very good sim, very realistic but not perfect either. For instance there is never an aircraft exploding, but they burn and the crews jump out in flames, screaming. I think that the damage effects are much better done in CA because in CFSII the damage effects are the very best that one actually can see on a sim. See how the Zeros start smoking, coughing and sparks flying out from the cowl flaps, then they explode... When they start smoking they smoke in different colors, depending if hydraulics, engine or raditors was hit. I just ordered the CA Cd plus the new addon. I'll tell you my opinion as soon as I tested it. cheers! Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > >From Hans Trauner's description I don't think I would be very > interested in > the WWI add-on for CFS2. (I won't be getting a PC until October > anyway.) I > understand that the Sopwith Camel was a tricky ship to put to > starboard, but > so much so that in a flight sim one would recommend avoiding right turns > altogether? I remember playing Red Baron years ago. I wouldn't > know much > about how mild or severe this or that effect ought to be on an > aeroplane so I > would be interested to hear from those who have a definite > opinion about the > WWI flight sims available. > Thanks, > Steve di Giacomo > > In a message dated 8/5/1 1:49:44 PM, NodalPoint@aol.com writes: > > << Hi, > > What is the name of the new WWI add-on for CFSII and where can it be > purchased? > > Does it just use the South Pacific scenery? What aircraft does it > include? Is > it as good as Red Baron 3D? > > Feel free to contact off-list if this is too off-topic. > > Thanks, > Steve >> > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 00:13:13 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: about "real men" was RE: Yellowing decals Message-ID: LOL - don't ya know that oil painters always prove the so called "real men" what the true real men can do without the enamels - I'm not a show off so I will *not* suggest you looking at my paintjobs, but see Andrei's and you'll know what a real man can do with the real paint ;o). As for the rest, I don't care. My car is made for transporting me from one point to the next and I want me and my family to be transported in a most comfortable and SAFE way, that's why I choosed MB. I could have choosen BMW or Audi as well, if these sales dudes was not as arrogant as they proved to be, so we went to MB and found the perfect garage - friendly people, offering a perfect service. Things like "real men in cars" or a manufacturers label as sort of a "status symbol for real men with a lack of self confidence and potency" never meant anything to me. have manual fun, you "real man" ;o) Gasterix > > > Gaston! > *Real* men use clutch and shitft gear manually! > ( As somebody else said: Real men use enamels!) > > H. > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3582 **********************