WWI Digest 3546 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) FW: Curtiss Reims Racer by Lubos.Vinar@deltax.cz 2) Re: Junkers D I by Didier Mario 3) RE: Junkers D I by "dfernet0" 4) Diorama material by "Matt Bittner" 5) Re: OT & Shops in KC by "Matt Bittner" 6) Zen WAS: CSM Lewis machine gun in 1/48 by "dfernet0" 7) Nieuport cookup (was RE: mini list gathering in NO) by "Matt Bittner" 8) RE: Nieuport cookup (was RE: mini list gathering in NO) by "dfernet0" 9) RE: Windsock Datafiles & Best Of . . . by "dfernet0" 10) RE: 1/72 Biff fuselage WAS Boring or just an acquired taste. by "dfernet0" 11) RE: Message Returns by "dfernet0" 12) RE: Sherline Products by "dfernet0" 13) RE: Junkers D I by "dfernet0" 14) RE: Morane Cockpits. by "dfernet0" 15) Sanjeev's tripe by "dfernet0" 16) Various things: by Robert Horton 17) new e-mail by "Tom Plesha" 18) Roden Fokker D.VII by "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" 19) RE: Roden Fokker D.VII by "dfernet0" 20) RE: Roden Fokker D.VII by "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" 21) Re: Roden Fokker D.VII by Allan Wright 22) RE: Roden Fokker D.VII by "dfernet0" 23) RE: Roden Fokker D.VII by "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" 24) RE: Roden Fokker D.VII by "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" 25) Re: Roden Fokker D.VII by Allan Wright 26) RE: Roden Fokker D.VII by Volker Haeusler 27) RE: Roden Fokker D.VII by "dfernet0" 28) RE: Roden Fokker D.VII by "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" 29) RE: Roden Fokker D.VII by "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" 30) RE: Roden Fokker D.VII by "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" 31) RE: Roden Fokker D.VII by "dfernet0" 32) RE: Roden Fokker D.VII by "dfernet0" 33) RE: Roden Fokker D.VII by Volker Haeusler 34) RE: Roden Fokker D.VII by Volker Haeusler ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:45:36 +0100 From: Lubos.Vinar@deltax.cz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: FW: Curtiss Reims Racer Message-ID: Hello all, My friend Vaso Hochmut have question bellow. He isn't subscribed to the list, please reply to my address lubos.vinar@deltax.cz Thanks LVi >> FW: Curtiss Reims Racer Could anybody help with some photos of Curtiss Reims Racer (or Golden Flyer, they were almost identical)? I am going to build a model of this airplane, but I found only some photos of the entire machine. I am searching mainly the photos of the Curtiss V8 engine and its installation in the airplane. But other details are also welcome. Thanks in advance. Vaso << ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:50:29 +0200 From: Didier Mario To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Junkers D I Message-ID: <3B5D36D5.5A1F0703@iol.it> jesse thorn wrote: > hello. > > i have a copy of 'air international issue number 25' that features a > lengthy article on the junkers d.i. no cockpit photo but there is a > cut-away drawing of the plane that shows some of the cockpit and > engine compartment detail. > > i can scan it and post it on my website for you if you'd like. > > jesse Hi Jesse, it will be of great help for me. Thanks. Mario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:36:11 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Junkers D I Message-ID: <000d01c11424$138bed00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Buon Giorno Mario Jesse Thorn posted the Junkers at http://www.mindspring.com/~jsthorn/pix/junkersdi.jpg for a cut-away drawing of the front of the plane. it is a large file, so be patient with the download 8) ----- Original Message ----- From: Didier Mario > Hi Jesse, it will be of great help for me. > Thanks. > Mario > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 05:33:54 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Diorama material Message-ID: <200107241031.DAA15609@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> I used "marble dust" on my base for the Austin First Series Russian WW1 armored car, and I just found out that the company who makes it - Arizona Rock & Mineral Company - has a web site: http://www.rrscenery.com/azrock3HO.html. Cool! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 05:38:22 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: OT & Shops in KC Message-ID: <200107241036.DAA23395@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:46:58 -0400 (EDT), Edward Swaim wrote: > My wife and I plan to spend a couple of nights in Kansas City soon. Besides > Captain Harry Truman's library, what on topic stuff is there to see there? > (I know that the big WWI memorial and museum are closed for renovation.) > Also, are there any good hobby shops? The good ones mentioned here and > elsewhere in archived messages all seem to have closed. Unfortunately there are no good hobby shops anymore in KC that I know of. The best - Waldos - closed two years ago. The best hobby shops in this tri-state area (MO, NE and IA) are all in Des Moines (unless you count Aviation Usk, but they don't have a shop front). Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:48:19 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Zen WAS: CSM Lewis machine gun in 1/48 Message-ID: <00e501c1142e$27488600$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Sanjeev! I think that Eric already answered your question, but regarding on how to put that piece into the complex assembly I must say that it's a matter of patience, nothing else.So you must choose a day when you want to perform a zen task to assemble the little PE "kit". I usually stick the smaller PE parts togheter with white glue Some months ago I wanted to build a Tom's Modelworks Vickers gun, using ALL the parts from the PE fret. Some are smaller than the shavings of plastic left after sanding a fuselage. Some are to be bent in tubes or folded twice. After much cussing and swearing I did it, and painted the machine gun with dilluted black paint and some touchs of "balcken it". It looks so darned nice that I even doubt to put it on the Nieuport 28 hidden between the wings. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sanjeev Hirve To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: RE: CSM Lewis machine gun in 1/48 > Diego, > I refer to part # 8 (i think, because the number is not clear, and I dont > have the instructions with me). If you refer to the on-line photo, this is > the very, very tiny photo-etch part which is located about 1/3 down from the > top edge of the fret and about 1/2 from the left edge. It is the smallest > part on the fret and is rectangular. > regards > SSH > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 05:44:06 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Nieuport cookup (was RE: mini list gathering in NO) Message-ID: <200107241042.DAA03952@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 02:22:31 -0400 (EDT), Ray Boorman wrote: > Lol Well we figured someone would fall a afoul. Pity it wasnt that Dratted > Matt Nungeezer though..... Curses #$%^&* I'm still flattered (and still a little sick about it) that people would go to all this trouble for little 'ol me. ;-) This list is the greatest! :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:54:56 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Nieuport cookup (was RE: mini list gathering in NO) Message-ID: <00ed01c1142f$13b78fe0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > I'm still flattered (and still a little sick about it) that people > would go to all this trouble for little 'ol me. ;-) This list is the > greatest! :-) > Matt Bittner Consider it the internet version of filling your locker with water while you were away. ;-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:06:31 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Windsock Datafiles & Best Of . . . Message-ID: <015201c11430$b1fcb940$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Warren If the price goes up too much, you may consider asking to Tennant's bookstore if they have the OOP datafile title available. They're about the U$S 17.00 price range. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:04 AM Subject: Windsock Datafiles & Best Of . . . > Folks, > Would someone tell me what they consider the honest and fair > street value of Windsock #7 on the Pfalz DIII? I found one on Ebay, but the > price is already up towards $14.00 or so. I know these datafiles are nice, > but are they worth that? I also found a couple of "Windsock: Best of. . > .vol. 1 & 2. those are on up there too. they are only 36 pages, but yet > are up to about $15.00 or so. Do I want them for my collection? Sure I do, > but for my own personal research, not as a pure "collector". TIA for the > advice before I do something silly/stupid and make some kind of exorbitant > bid. > > Warren > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:09:34 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: 1/72 Biff fuselage WAS Boring or just an acquired taste. Message-ID: <017c01c11431$1ec58a20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > So - since I seem to have some mild interest. If Shane, in a fit of unwonted > energy, was to produce masters for a 1/72 Bristol Fighter fuselage, would > anyone actually buy the product? I'll get at least two, if Shane in a fit of unwonted etc. etc. will produce a master. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:14:18 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Message Returns Message-ID: <01b201c11431$c8297e00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Shane wrote (regarding some embarrasing rhymes I wrote before): > Stick to the cartoons pal. Know your limits ;-) Thanks mate, I will. Sometimes I read my posts from the day before and get very annoyed with myself from yesterday. I don't know what really happens to me. Yikes. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:18:37 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Sherline Products Message-ID: <01c601c11432$626cc3a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > I hear Diego is about to market a finger chopping attachment for that > machine > sp There's no need for that. Its axiomatic that any tool will eventually hurt your hands. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:20:00 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Junkers D I Message-ID: <01d401c11432$94166320$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Pedro wrote: > You're always interested and building and buying, but I've yet to see the > photos of that Camel I ordered you to show us!!!! Oh it's more embarrasing for me than writing bad rhymes. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:23:48 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Morane Cockpits. Message-ID: <01fc01c11433$1c57faa0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Commander Steve reports: > The fuselage survived and will one day take it's place in the > ranks of the Phoenix Sqdn. I'm very glad to hear that! :-) Old soldiers never die. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:29:27 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "ww1 list" Subject: Sanjeev's tripe Message-ID: <021401c11433$e5c89520$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hey! Have you seen Sanjeev's Hirve build review of the Albatros triplane on Roll's website? Great work, Sanjeev! D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:21:51 -0500 From: Robert Horton To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Various things: Message-ID: <3B5D766F.8A4D8B0@netexpress.net> Hi List: To reply to a couple of items that have been raised in the last day or so...re: Jacobs flighbt log...Steve Lawson has had access to this item and did the exerpts that have been published...he check the net and may be able to tell us whether the complete thing will ever be done...I was fortunate enough to be with Greg VanWyn a few years ago to visit with Steve at Col. Parkers collection in Colorado Springs and be able to look at Jacobs book...it is really great to be able to see first hand what a fellow like that thinks and puts on paper. The other amazing part is that within the log are scraps of baragraph charts from his flights that show the altitude profile of each mission...I understand that this was encouraged but few pilots actually did it.....BTW Greg may be also lurking and be able to respond to the availability of this piece, also. For Ed Swaim and Kansas City trip...you might check out if you are in the downtown area...there used to be a small "storefront" site that was a display of some of the Libertry Museum artifacts...not much there but its worth stopping in.....On the subject of the liberty Museum, I just received a center section of the Kansas City paper of July 15, I believe....there is a very good article in it about the Museum and the efforts several old biddies are forcing to try to completely mess up the renovation project....I wouldn't get into that I have enough problems with blood pressure but anyway the museum restoration is under way and appears that maybe by late 2002 it might be again open...OH! Great day!!! Rant mode off....thanks guys...Bob Horton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:22:12 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: new e-mail Message-ID: <008d01c11443$a62e48a0$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi Everyone- FWIW I forgot to post my new e-mail. Its: plesha3@home.com Later Tom S.E.MI. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:14:26 -0000 From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: <850CD1B940F1D31181590000929B19DA01A89C44@mail3.stratcom.mil> Hmmm... Was just talking (via email) with an ex-listee, and he said that every Roden D.VII he has seen - or has been told about - has a *dihedral* in the upper wing. This is just not the underside, like it should be, with a flat top, but a real dihedral. Not a warp, that when fixed will leave the top of the upper wing flat with the bottom having the "dihedral" it's supposed to, but an honest to goodness dihedral. Has anybody else noticed this? If this is indeed true, then I'm going to keep buying Revell kits and use Barry's resin noses for any more D.VII's I build. That's totally inexcusable. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:46:39 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: <004601c11447$108a09c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Matt, enraged, wrote: > Has anybody else noticed this? If this is indeed true, then I'm going to > keep buying Revell kits and use Barry's resin noses for any more D.VII's I > build. That's totally inexcusable. If it's true, it's not a thing hard to fix. Just a bit of heat, a plank to rest the wing flat and voilá. The Revell molds are just too tired to keep buying new kits. In any case, it's harder to fix the measurement discordances against the Fokker Anthology drawings. IMHO D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:01:16 -0000 From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: <850CD1B940F1D31181590000929B19DA01AABF32@mail3.stratcom.mil> > -----Original Message----- > From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 8:47 AM > If it's true, it's not a thing hard to fix. Just a bit of > heat, a plank to > rest the wing flat and voila. The Revell molds are just too > tired to keep > buying new kits. > In any case, it's harder to fix the measurement discordances > against the > Fokker Anthology drawings. No, it's not that easy. If you fix the "dihedral" problem, then you're left with trying to get the "thinning" (or, in a sense, a "dihedral") back into the top wings' underside. Remember, the underside of the top wing "thin" from the middle to the tips, while the top of the top wing remains perfectly flat. It's not easy at all. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:08:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: <200107241408.KAA07084@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > > If it's true, it's not a thing hard to fix. Just a bit of > > heat, a plank to > > rest the wing flat and voila. The Revell molds are just too > > tired to keep > > buying new kits. > > In any case, it's harder to fix the measurement discordances > > against the > > Fokker Anthology drawings. > > No, it's not that easy. If you fix the "dihedral" problem, then you're left > with trying to get the "thinning" (or, in a sense, a "dihedral") back into > the top wings' underside. Remember, the underside of the top wing "thin" > from the middle to the tips, while the top of the top wing remains perfectly > flat. It's not easy at all. Ahhhh - no problem - Barry will offer a Roseparts corrected wing! (I have no idea if Barry plans to do this - it just seems like something he would do) Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:11:55 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: <005301c1144a$9857a260$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Matt > No, it's not that easy. If you fix the "dihedral" problem, then you're left > with trying to get the "thinning" (or, in a sense, a "dihedral") back into > the top wings' underside. You mean that the thickness of the Roden upper wing is the same in all the span? ohhhhh D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:11:03 -0000 From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: <850CD1B940F1D31181590000929B19DA01AABF62@mail3.stratcom.mil> > -----Original Message----- > From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:11 AM > You mean that the thickness of the Roden upper wing is the > same in all the > span? > ohhhhh Yea, that's it. Instead of doing flat on top with "dihedral" underneath, it's dihedral on the whole wing. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:12:30 -0000 From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: <850CD1B940F1D31181590000929B19DA01AABF75@mail3.stratcom.mil> > -----Original Message----- > From: Allan Wright [mailto:aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:10 AM > Ahhhh - no problem - Barry will offer a Roseparts corrected wing! > > (I have no idea if Barry plans to do this - it just seems > like something > he would do) Actually that would be nice. However, I'm sure he's waiting for someone else to do the masters. I see an entire correction set - new upper wing, new axle wing and new radiator. So, anybody want to make the masters for Barry? I'm too swamped now... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:19:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: <200107241419.KAA07260@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Actually that would be nice. However, I'm sure he's waiting for someone > else to do the masters. I see an entire correction set - new upper wing, > new axle wing and new radiator. So, anybody want to make the masters for > Barry? I'm too swamped now... I've always liked landing gear bits to be made out of white metal for durability. Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:02:16 +0700 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: Matt, "Hmmm... Was just talking (via email) with an ex-listee, and he said that every Roden D.VII he has seen - or has been told about - has a *dihedral* in the upper wing. This is just not the underside, like it should be, with a flat top, but a real dihedral. Not a warp, that when fixed will leave the top of the upper wing flat with the bottom having the "dihedral" it's supposed to, but an honest to goodness dihedral." Well, I got 5 Fokkers from Earl, had a look in three of them. Yes, they all show a dihedral. But to me it looks like a wing warp - actually casued by the sprue connection points, I guess. If you rest the wing upper surface on a straight edge, you can see the concavity of the center section. If you bend the wing in such a way that the upper surface gets straight, the lower surface still has the dihedral. It looks quite ok for me, but I have not looked to close on that one yet. If wrong, replacement with a Revell upper wing is still an easy option (beside that dihedral and the aileron balances - correct or at least closer to the truth in the Roden kit - the wings are incredibly clsoe to each other, showing again how good that old Revell kit actually was. So my Assessment: Dihedral yes, mold related I guess, but easy to fix with some hot ater. If not, go for the Revell top wing. "Has anybody else noticed this? If this is indeed true, then I'm going to keep buying Revell kits and use Barry's resin noses for any more D.VII's I build. That's totally inexcusable." As said above: At max it calls for replacing the wing. But the fuselage, the 2 wonderful engines (where else do you get a good BMW IIIa?), the wheels (finally, Roden got one pair right in my opinion), the airscrews etc still make it a GREAT kit. However, I have two more serious concerns: Quality of molding All my kits show some serious quality problems - some humps (that you already mentioned), some molded in dirt/oil/whatever, flash and generally low production (not design or tool) quality. The Pfalyzes were better in that respect Fuselage Interior Roden has these molded structure (steel tubes) on the fuselage inside. That makes applying *inside (mirror image)* lozenge very difficult. Might be easier to scrape of that stuff, aplly lozenges and then add stretched sprue or wire structures Volker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:24:12 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: <006601c1144c$4f43d4c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Matt wrote: > Yea, that's it. Instead of doing flat on top with "dihedral" underneath, > it's dihedral on the whole wing. Oops... and... > However, I'm sure is waiting for someone > else to do the masters. I see an entire correction set - new upper wing, > new axle wing and new radiator. So, anybody want to make the masters for > Barry? I'm too swamped now... That shouldn't be too hard to get.. it'll be enough to clean up the Revell parts... go away, fabric texture! D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:22:23 -0000 From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: <850CD1B940F1D31181590000929B19DA01AABF9A@mail3.stratcom.mil> > -----Original Message----- > From: Allan Wright [mailto:aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:22 AM > I've always liked landing gear bits to be made out of white metal for > durability. Good point, but you wouldn't want a Fokker D.VII axle wing made out of white metal. That would be too heavy. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:26:22 -0000 From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: <850CD1B940F1D31181590000929B19DA01AABFA6@mail3.stratcom.mil> > -----Original Message----- > From: Volker Haeusler [mailto:haeusler@tm.net.my] > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:23 AM > Well, I got 5 Fokkers from Earl, had a look in three of them. > Yes, they all > show a dihedral. But to me it looks like a wing warp - > actually casued by > the sprue connection points, I guess. If you rest the wing > upper surface on > a straight edge, you can see the concavity of the center > section. If you > bend the wing in such a way that the upper surface gets > straight, the lower > surface still has the dihedral. It looks quite ok for me, but > I have not > looked to close on that one yet. If wrong, replacement with a > Revell upper > wing is still an easy option (beside that dihedral and the aileron > balances - correct or at least closer to the truth in the > Roden kit - the > wings are incredibly clsoe to each other, showing again how > good that old > Revell kit actually was. > > So my Assessment: Dihedral yes, mold related I guess, but > easy to fix with > some hot ater. If not, go for the Revell top wing. If that is indeed true, then that won't be that bad. Will the hot water treatment (like one does resin) actually work on injected parts? > As said above: At max it calls for replacing the wing. But > the fuselage, the > 2 wonderful engines (where else do you get a good BMW IIIa?), > the wheels > (finally, Roden got one pair right in my opinion), the > airscrews etc still > make it a GREAT kit. You can get a good BMW from Barry. But I agree, that sprue is definitely very nice (the sprue with the engines and guns). > However, I have two more serious concerns: > > Quality of molding > > All my kits show some serious quality problems - some humps (that you > already mentioned), some molded in dirt/oil/whatever, flash > and generally > low production (not design or tool) quality. The Pfalyzes > were better in > that respect Good points. > Fuselage Interior > > Roden has these molded structure (steel tubes) on the > fuselage inside. That > makes applying *inside (mirror image)* lozenge very > difficult. Might be > easier to scrape of that stuff, aplly lozenges and then add > stretched sprue > or wire structures Or wait - I'm sure Part will release some p/e for it. Or not wait, and see if Rosemont's p/e will fit the kit. Or do what you said. :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:27:14 -0000 From: "Bittner, Matthew E. (KTR)~U" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: <850CD1B940F1D31181590000929B19DA01AABFA8@mail3.stratcom.mil> > -----Original Message----- > From: dfernet0 [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:25 AM > That shouldn't be too hard to get.. it'll be enough to clean > up the Revell > parts... go away, fabric texture! Is it just me, or does it sound like D just volunteered? :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:35:25 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: <007601c1144d$e0fe8b20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Volker, the optimist, wrote: > Yes, they all > show a dihedral. But to me it looks like a wing warp - actually casued by > the sprue connection points, I guess. A common effect when molding a thick injected plastic part. It is also present in my "mexican" Revell D.VII and in all the Escis I've had. > As said above: At max it calls for replacing the wing. But the fuselage, the > 2 wonderful engines (where else do you get a good BMW IIIa?), the wheels > (finally, Roden got one pair right in my opinion), the airscrews etc still > make it a GREAT kit. You know how to make my mouth watering, Volker! > Roden has these molded structure (steel tubes) on the fuselage inside. That > makes applying *inside (mirror image)* lozenge very difficult. Might be > easier to scrape of that stuff, aplly lozenges and then add stretched sprue > or wire structures That's the beauty of vacuformed kits! Not much to sand inside the fuselages! I thought the same as soon as I seen the fuselage interiors of the Eduard triplane. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:37:11 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: <007e01c1144e$1ff2e060$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > Is it just me, or does it sound like D just volunteered? :-) NO! I'd better keep my mouth shut and finish the zillion kits I started! D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:26:40 +0700 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: Matt wondered: "> So my Assessment: Dihedral yes, mold related I guess, but > easy to fix with > some hot ater. If not, go for the Revell top wing. If that is indeed true, then that won't be that bad. Will the hot water treatment (like one does resin) actually work on injected parts?" Positively yes. Did that on my badly warped Dragon Dr I (Oops - I should not have confessed that! &*§# scale warning!. But that was at least 5 years ago...) top wing. Just a qusetion of Temperature, fixing the part properly, and time. I actually used *boiling* water for this, in the special pot used to cook (well, in Germany and france) to cook asparagus, with the wing firmly attached to a wooden base. Same way I do my PS (proper scale) wing profiles, but then substituting the wood with a larger metal container. Well, with thick Fokker style wings you have to wait long enough to ensure the heat penetrating into the whole piece (not so difficult, as polistyrene plastic is a comparatiely good media for heat transfer, at least when compared to the glass I have to deal with in business...) Volker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:16:27 +0700 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: Matt said: "No, it's not that easy. If you fix the "dihedral" problem, then you're left with trying to get the "thinning" (or, in a sense, a "dihedral") back into the top wings' underside. Remember, the underside of the top wing "thin" from the middle to the tips, while the top of the top wing remains perfectly flat. It's not easy at all." Well, then again: Looking on the Roden and Revell wings in front of me: Yes, the Revell has more "vertical taper", but the Roden is not without it. Don´t have a good calliper at home, but with the equipment I got I measure 3 mm for the center section thickness and 2 mm at the outer connection points to the spure (just outboard of the wingstruts). I measure more or less the same both for the Revell kit and the Windsock drawing (there are variations, but given the accuracy of my measurement equipment, I do not dare to guess any further). So I can not *measure* any *noticable* difference. Too, seen from the side at 3/4, the taper of the Roden wing can be seen on the leading edge. Nonetheless, the Roden wing looks different to the Revell one. I would suggest the problem is more "three-dimensional", has got to do with curvature etc.. Difficlut to say - but I still think the Roden wing might actually be ok, or at least possible to fix. If not - see my earlier mail Volker ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3546 **********************