WWI Digest 3543 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Diego's Stormtrooper by "dfernet0" 2) Re: Diego's Stormtrooper by MAnde72343@aol.com 3) RE: CSM Lewis machine gun in 1/48 by Sanjeev Hirve 4) Pictures from the Nats by "Brent Theobald" 5) Re: Morane Cockpits. by "Steven Perry" 6) Re: Brandenburg D.I books by Steve Cox 7) Lohner by "Tom Plesha" 8) Re:Fw: Brandenburg D.I books by NodalPoint@aol.com 9) Re:Fw: Brandenburg D.I books by "Michael Kendix" 10) Re:Fw: Brandenburg D.I books by "Michael Kendix" 11) RE: CSM Lewis machine gun in 1/48 by ERIC HIGHT 12) Sherline Products by "Lance Krieg" 13) Re: Xtracolor for French by "Shannon Mark" 14) British Aircraft designs - Boring or just an acquired taste. by "Ray Boorman" 15) Re: Junkers D I by "Pedro Soares" 16) Re: Sherline Products by BEN8800@aol.com 17) Hold and Fold Tool Comments by "Tom Plesha" 18) Re: Sherline Products by "Steven Perry" 19) RE: British Aircraft designs - Boring or just an acquired taste. by "Jay M. Thompson" 20) RE: Rats...... by Shane Weier 21) RE: Sherline Products by "Jay M. Thompson" 22) Re: Message Returns by "Limon3" 23) RE: Message Returns by Shane Weier 24) RE: British Aircraft designs - Boring or just an acquired taste. by "Ray Boorman" 25) RE: British Aircraft designs - Boring or just an acquired taste. by Shane Weier 26) Re: Message Returns by MAnde72343@aol.com 27) Re: British Aircraft designs - Boring or just an acquired taste. by "Bob Pearson" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:08:59 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Diego's Stormtrooper Message-ID: <009b01c113b3$4f792e20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Thanks Merrill! (and sorry Allan for my recent rhyming outburst) I got the kit inspired by Andrei's work, as it appeared in Bill Horan's book (check also the IM article). When I saw the resin figure, I coulnd't resist it! I modified some parts to look more pusposeful than the Warriors kit (the parts depict nothing else than a stormtrooper crawling in the mud, not about to lob a grenade nor aiming the rifle). The best part of the kit was the base casting. I usually discard them , but this one has lots of details embedded: a rifle, a tommy helmet, a scrap of tin roofing, timbers, barbed wire, etc. all sunken in the mud. Looks exactly like a fresh bombed trench! kudos for the master modeler! As for my painting... hmmm the guy looks like having a blush to me... never quite like how the face turned up. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 4:48 PM Subject: Diego's Stormtrooper > Diego, I never checked out your stormtrooper on your page at the site. I did > today, exceptional work! > Merrill > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:11:50 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Diego's Stormtrooper Message-ID: Diego, as a guy who has tried his hand at painting figures, it looked pretty good to me. And the part that really impressed me was the resculptured hand-one of the hardest body parts to model, as to painting faces, everyone uses different systems, go for what looks right to you. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:17:59 -0400 From: Sanjeev Hirve To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: CSM Lewis machine gun in 1/48 Message-ID: <5F935CCBFB73D511BA2000B0D079E11E01C2B7@cyberexch01.internal.evincible.com> Diego, I refer to part # 8 (i think, because the number is not clear, and I dont have the instructions with me). If you refer to the on-line photo, this is the very, very tiny photo-etch part which is located about 1/3 down from the top edge of the fret and about 1/2 from the left edge. It is the smallest part on the fret and is rectangular. regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:34:15 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Pictures from the Nats Message-ID:

Howdy Gang!

I finally was able to post all of my pictures from the Nationals last night. There are nearly 800 images on sixteen pages. The code is all reworked and the images resized so they load much faster than the stuff I posted last week. There is a fair bit of OT material, but you will have to search for it. I simply didn't have the time to organize the photos other than the order in which they were taken.

http://www.rollmodels.net/Gallery/NatsPics/natspics1.htm

Enjoy!

Brent


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------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:46:28 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Morane Cockpits. Message-ID: <002501c113b8$91e811e0$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> I recall that Steve Perry's neat model had a > very complete strucutre inside Thanks Diego. The fuselage survived and will one day take it's place in the ranks of the Phoenix Sqdn. Who was it that wanted the MoS cockpit info? Give me a holler off list. I think I can help you sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:43:53 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Brandenburg D.I books Message-ID: I got the same message from this guy, and responded that we had a contract and I expected him to honour it. I'll be posting -ve feedback too Regards Steve nb =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > Hi Steve, Yeah that's what I thought, but he had plenty of time to cancel this auction.....He never responded to me by my deadline, so I have filed a complaint with Ebay and will be posting negative feedback... You're right, his negatives are quite high.... Also, in over a year of using Ebay, this is the FIRST time I have had a problem withg a seller! One out of about 42 or 43 purchases....Not bad...but still no excuse...Best way to show this seller your displeasure is to post negative feedback...If he does the same, not likely, as he doesn't even reply to negatives on his profile!!!!, you can have Ebay remove it. This guy seems to live on the LoonEbay narcotic:"If I offer it, they will bid........" I will never bid on one of his auctions again, regardless of what he offers...Shame more folks won't do the same.... Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:47:47 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Lohner Message-ID: <000901c113b8$c11e8e80$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi Everyone- Just got my CSM Lohner, really a nice nice kit. Later Tom S.E.MI. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:55:49 EDT From: NodalPoint@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re:Fw: Brandenburg D.I books Message-ID: <103.663758b.288de955@aol.com> Right, the 900 books seems too good to be true. But you never know, maybe when FMP was having troubles or whatever someone may have picked up several hundred books for a small amount of money. But it's the 20 negative responses in his feedback that's a problem. I can see 1 or 2 or even 5 or 6, but 20 is a lot for anyone. He's probably an honest guy who made a mistake. I think whoever bid can decide to leave feedback or not, I don't know how much negative feedback really effects someone's ebay selling ability anyway.... All my ebay experiences have been positive, if not a bit too pricey at times! Steve << Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:16:02 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: "Wwi@Wwi-Models. Org" Subject: FW: Fw: Brandenburg D.I books Message-ID: Ok guys hold on a minute here and lets not tar the devil before he deserves it. First 900 copies would be close to a third of the books production run, therefore it was suspicious anyway. If you are a human being you make mistakes every now an again. I am going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt based on the following. >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:59:08 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re:Fw: Brandenburg D.I books Message-ID: _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:08:14 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re:Fw: Brandenburg D.I books Message-ID: >From: NodalPoint@aol.com >All my ebay experiences have been positive, if not a bit too pricey at > >times! Sorry about the blank message (Hotmail has a new format). A couple of points on this issue. First, with the benefit of hindsight, I can see that the deal was too good to be true but if I'm honest, I admit to being tempted to bid. I have the book already so I did not. Secondly, has anyone ever thought that buying things through auction can, on the average, make things more expensive for the buyer? By definition, the "winner" always pays more than anyone else is prepared to pay. Of course, it is always possible to locate some difficult-to-find items but if I had the choice, I would rather let the vendor stipulate his market price since my maximum price is likely to be more than that. On a hardly related topic, has anyone checked at Rosemont's site (see the WWI modeling page for the address) - he is taking pre-orders for the two new FMP books on the DH. Each book ahs around 80 pages and at circa $30 each, you get a deal equivalent to a Datafile, in terms of page quantity. I'm waiting for the sale:). Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:26:33 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: CSM Lewis machine gun in 1/48 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010723142017.02294520@pop.amug.org> sanjeev, part 8 is the cross bar in the front site. part 9 wraps around the barrel and forms two vertical posts and part 8 goes horizontally between the post created by part 9. there is an etch mark where it goes. from a front view(head on) it forms an H. i have 2 props in stock one is 2.125 inches and the other is 2.200 inches. lmk which one is your choice. hope this helps. eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:33:06 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Sherline Products Message-ID: I am contemplating the purchase of a Sherline Vertical Milling machine, in an attempt to improve the precision of my work. Has anyone used this or other Sherline products that can advise as to the worth of such a purchase? Is a milling machine so superior to a really good drill press as to justify the increased expense? Any advice will be appreciated... TIA ... oh, and Sanjeev, throw that little piece of the Lewis gun away! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:50:36 -0700 From: "Shannon Mark" To: Subject: Re: Xtracolor for French Message-ID: <005701c113d2$45e24080$ab01fea9@shark> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C11397.98FD2180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I fear I do not have what I thought I had. It was not a list of Project = Butterfly colors, but rather the list of paint equivalents from the = Urban Fredricksson site at: http://www.hotel.wineasy.se/ipms/ These paint charts are good, but not perfectly matched to authentic = values. Sorry for the misplaced excitement. .Mark. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C11397.98FD2180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I fear I do not have what I thought I = had.  It=20 was not a list of Project Butterfly colors, but rather the list of paint = equivalents from the Urban Fredricksson site at:
 
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These paint charts are good, but not = perfectly=20 matched to authentic values.  Sorry for the misplaced=20 excitement.
 
.Mark.
------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C11397.98FD2180-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:47:02 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: "Wwi@Wwi-Models. Org" Subject: British Aircraft designs - Boring or just an acquired taste. Message-ID: Over the weekend there were a few posting's that I know were tongue in cheek, but have an element of truth in them. Basically most modelers building the WW1 period build mainly Central Powers by a wide margin. Next come French or Italian Aircraft and last following up the rear come British aircraft. (Sorry there are some other nationalities in there like Russian for example, which are even less well served than the British). I still cannot work out why British or Commonwealth Aircraft don't get modeled as much, in fact asking the question can get you angry answers. I know they are green, therefore boring or at least that is the stated reason. This misses a lot though. I have today off work and have spent the morning looking through the Bristol Scout datafile. What struck me was how elegant and charming this machine was and is. Almost too fine a design for warlike use, I would say. The Sopwith Pup and 1 1/2 strutter fall into this mode as well. Even more infamous types like the BE series of aircraft were elegant before they were modified for military use, take a look at the original BE2a a very delicate waiflike aircraft imho. Some British aircraft look ugly sure, but in the same sense they are wonders in engineering, or how the heck did they fly in those, if nothing else you have to wonder at the guts of the pilots and observers. The DH2, FB9 and FE series of aircraft come to mind. Surely building one of these would be a challenge to any and all modelers. Isn't that part of the fun too, not just churning out another color scheme for an Albatros or Fokker DVII. Then of course you have the Dolphin, Snipe and Camel, all in there time as good as anything flying and utterly worthy of building. I can name at least 5 different types of Camel, surely as interesting as the early and late Fokker DVII's. What about the bright red SE5a from 56 squadron to put beside the Red DR1 we all say we wont build but I bet will. I would suspect that many didn't know about that other red aircraft eh. How about a Bristol M1C in trainer colors, or if the Bristol is hard to find what about a Pup. As bright as any Jasta bird and as elegant. There are so many other commonwealth aircraft types to build. Just because they tend to be less colorful doesn't mean they aren't as interesting to build. Part of the fun of building these aircraft is to look at them and research them. When doing this you certainly get a feeling of wonder at all the aircraft of this period. Sometimes because of what the designers didn't know, or at the lunacy of the Government procurement programs. (Usually yesterdays aircraft in too large a numbers for a job it wasn't designed for) Or at how far aircraft and engine design came in 5 years. I know the excuse is that most of these aircraft aren't available in plastic or resin. Well thats not as true as we think. The F2B, RE8 and BE2c/e are available with very little difficulty. So is the Bristol M1C. If you look to Czechmaster many types are available. What about the Revell Camel. (I have a blue Rider conversion for the Camel to make it into the comic camel. If you think a Camel is ugly take a look at the Comic Camel, its definately not ugly). How about one of the most beautifull flying boats ever built bar none the Felixstowe, available in 1/48 and 1/72 and as colourfull in history and plummage as any aircraft flying then or now. If its the colour well there are a damn lot of shades for PC10 and PC12 both new and faded. WWII modellers build lots of olive drab aircraft so why not PC10. (Tongue in cheek there btw) In summary this overlong discourse isnt meant as a tirade but an attempt to put the subject in a more balanced light. If you love the aircraft of this period you have to admire all of them, warts and boring colors and all. All deserve to be built not just the colorful Central Powers aircraft. In doing so you'll not only learn more. But the Eduards of this world might bring out more unusual aircraft of both sides. How about a Sopwith Gunbus, now that would take many a month to build and could sit beside a Farman Shorthorn and AGO C1, hey they brought out a PKZ2 so why not dream. I'll get off my soapbox now, Ray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:51:39 +0100 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Junkers D I Message-ID: <014f01c113c2$0177dbe0$fd090dd5@pc1> ----- Original Message ----- From: dfernet0 To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: RE: Junkers D I > Having succesfilly bidded for a vac kit of the same subject I'm interested > too in this thread. > Regards > D. > > Ah Dieguito, You're always interested and building and buying, but I've yet to see the photos of that Camel I ordered you to show us!!!! Um abraço Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:53:14 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Sherline Products Message-ID: <12c.1d1fc55.288df6ca@aol.com> --part1_12c.1d1fc55.288df6ca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Sherline mill is a dreamboat. Love mine, very precision work can be done. Something you can't do on a drill press. Ben --part1_12c.1d1fc55.288df6ca_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Sherline mill is a dreamboat. Love mine, very precision work can be done.
Something you can't do on a drill press.

Ben --part1_12c.1d1fc55.288df6ca_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:13:33 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Hold and Fold Tool Comments Message-ID: <001b01c113c4$c6d43bc0$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi Everyone- FWIW A few commented that they would be interested in how the Hold & Fold Tool worked out. I just made the aileron pulley brackets for the wings on the Pup, with it. They are .005 thou aluminum, triangular shaped with a lightning hole. Granted they are simple angle breaks but one side is .020 thou long and the other is .040 thou long. I tried making them with the tool and without. No comparison. The tool is great. HTH Later Tom S.E.MI. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:25:41 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Sherline Products Message-ID: <009101c113c6$695adf60$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> > I am contemplating the purchase of a Sherline Vertical Milling machine, in an attempt to improve the precision of my work. > Any advice will be appreciated... I hear Diego is about to market a finger chopping attachment for that machine sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:34:11 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: British Aircraft designs - Boring or just an acquired taste. Message-ID: For me, it isn't the aircraft, it's the damned finishes. Brown brown brown and brown, broken up by little bars of white, and excitement of excitement, a white dumbbell. I have at this point a large collection of DSA's Fokker D.VII markings 3-views, and I can keep myself happy for hours just looking through them. Every color combination you can imagine, many incredibly dramatic and just downright cool. Let's say I had the same collection for SE5A's. I think I could keep myself entertained for oh, two minutes. It's a danged nice-looking airplane, beat to death by British conservatism. Take SE5's, Brisfits, and Camels, wrap them in lozenge and give them to a few German Jastas, and in no time you'd have something modelers would be building left and right. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Ray Boorman Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 4:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: British Aircraft designs - Boring or just an acquired taste. Over the weekend there were a few posting's that I know were tongue in cheek, but have an element of truth in them. Basically most modelers building the WW1 period build mainly Central Powers by a wide margin. Next come French or Italian Aircraft and last following up the rear come British aircraft. (Sorry there are some other nationalities in there like Russian for example, which are even less well served than the British). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:30:52 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Rats...... Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD2F1@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Glen > Cool, I really love those guys in white who start pointing > every time someones scores in Aussie Rules Football. Best > part of the game for me. Sharp dressers too. Mmm. You apparently labour under the mistaken (and unfortunately widespread) belief that Aussie Rules is "Football" Excuse me while I throw up. In my personal order of preference for types of football I count Rugby Union first, Rugby League second, then proper football (soccer), then American football, then (what's that game the New Guineans play with severed heads?) and only then the infamous Aerial Ping Pong. (Memo to North Americans - it's called "Aussie" Rules but is a minor football code in Queensland and New South Wales, states with half of Australias population) > Shane, sorry > to hear about your ship. Have you ever considered building > OT armour? The chances of breaking masts and railings if > dropped are negligible ;). Come over to the dark side Shane. > As Bittner says, "Bwhahahahaha" Bwhahahahaha yourself. Between that crack and mistaking me for a Mexican (one who lives in Southern states and gives a d*mn about Aussie Rules) you are hereby removed from my official Christmas card list ! :-( ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:37:35 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Sherline Products Message-ID: I have a Unimat, not a Sherline, so I can't comment on their quality. However I can say that having a small combination lathe/vertical milling machine makes it quite easy to create things that would be incredibly painful otherwise. On my 90% scratchbuilt Alb D.III, I tossed the engine and made one myself...making accurate cylinders in 1/48 was a breeze using small aluminum rods and the Unimat. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Lance Krieg Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 4:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Sherline Products I am contemplating the purchase of a Sherline Vertical Milling machine, in an attempt to improve the precision of my work. Has anyone used this or other Sherline products that can advise as to the worth of such a purchase? Is a milling machine so superior to a really good drill press as to justify the increased expense? Any advice will be appreciated... TIA ... oh, and Sanjeev, throw that little piece of the Lewis gun away! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:51:54 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: Message Returns Message-ID: <001501c113ca$14594200$73f7303f@i7e2z6> That has been happening to me also, but the list seems o.k. Gabe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 11:55 AM Subject: Message Returns > > --part1_29.180c5a07.288dcc62_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I got my most recent message returned to me, is the List okay? > Merrill > > --part1_29.180c5a07.288dcc62_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I got my most recent message returned to me, is the List okay? >
Merrill > > --part1_29.180c5a07.288dcc62_boundary-- > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:10:59 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Message Returns Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD2F2@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Diego, > Your last message was mean > with all the MIME on the screen > the previous message was clean > So Al will give you his grin Stick to the cartoons pal. Know your limits ;-) Shane (Anyway, Merrills problem is clearly that he never attached the secret handshake) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:13:18 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: British Aircraft designs - Boring or just an acquired taste. Message-ID: Jay, fiddlesticks or pffft ;0) OK 10 min search of my meager references on SE5's and 5a's. Basically both datafiles and special and Aeroplanes of the RAF factory by Paul Hare. SE5 prototype in CDL for Fuselage elevators and Fin. PC10 wings SE5 A8898, yep base PC10 CDL undersurface. Red Wheel covers and red nose not sure what the shape is meant to be but quite attractive. White outlined on the Tail with a green fernleaf. This was whilst with 60 Sqdrn Any SE5 with the glasshouse canopy. Unusual to say the least doesn't matter what color it is. Many Nivo colored SE5a's used for night fighting. PC10 and Nivo Diamond camouflage used as an experimental scheme. Bright red 56 Squadron SE5a All the various engine radiator configurations with 4 and 2 blade props. 25 Aero Squadron USAS with white tail and red diamond on it, Also has a white oval on the fuse with a man with a cleaver in it. Actually there were some very attractive SE5a's in USAS use. (Read not PC10) White South African gift SE5a There is also a picture of a Point Cook Australian aircraft that is white or cdl as far as I can see. F9029 #1 sqdn CAF yep PC10 but white Maple leaf on the tail with a 1. The fuselage has another fanciful design in white I think. Also inscribed with a presentation note on the fuselage side. Last but not least are the early camouflage examples. There that was 10 mins looking through my references and not one SE5 or SE5a would look the same. Ray > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Jay M. > Thompson > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 3:35 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: British Aircraft designs - Boring or just an acquired > taste. > > > For me, it isn't the aircraft, it's the damned finishes. Brown brown brown > and brown, broken up by little bars of white, and excitement of > excitement, > a white dumbbell. > > I have at this point a large collection of DSA's Fokker D.VII markings > 3-views, and I can keep myself happy for hours just looking through them. > Every color combination you can imagine, many incredibly dramatic and just > downright cool. Let's say I had the same collection for SE5A's. I think I > could keep myself entertained for oh, two minutes. It's a danged > nice-looking airplane, beat to death by British conservatism. > > Take SE5's, Brisfits, and Camels, wrap them in lozenge and give them to a > few German Jastas, and in no time you'd have something modelers would be > building left and right. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:27:11 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: British Aircraft designs - Boring or just an acquired taste. Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD2F3@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Jay says: > For me, it isn't the aircraft, it's the damned finishes. > Brown brown brown > and brown, broken up by little bars of white, and excitement > of excitement, a white dumbbell. (snip) > Every color combination you can imagine, many incredibly > dramatic and just > downright cool. Let's say I had the same collection for > SE5A's. I think I > could keep myself entertained for oh, two minutes. It's a danged > nice-looking airplane, beat to death by British conservatism. It's a cultural thing Ray. Some people are more at home with the brash and discordant, others with the balanced and complimentary. In so far as you can make such a sweeping statement (because there are always many exceptions) I'd expect more of our US brethren to prefer the colourfull, and more or our British to prefer the muted. On being "beat to death by British conservatism" we should perhaps take a grain of salt. The British were there to win, and to do so chose (as ever) teamwork over individualism so eschewed the egoism inherent in bright personal markings. ;-) Shane (Now they should teach their cricket team about teamwork too!) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:30:21 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Message Returns Message-ID: <39.1800bb70.288e0d8d@aol.com> Shane's problem is that he's secretly my twin (check our rogues gallery photos) we were separated at birth, but I got to live in the country with a real currency. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:29:34 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: British Aircraft designs - Boring or just an acquired taste. Message-ID: <3B5C800D0000D293@mail.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) >From: "Ray Boorman" > SE5 A8898, yep base PC10 CDL undersurface. Red Wheel covers and red nose not > sure what the shape is meant to be but quite attractive. White outlined on > the Tail with a green fernleaf. This was whilst with 60 Sqdrn The leaf is supposedly silver on that aircraft .. IIRC .. it WASN'T Caldwell's a/c when the leaf was added, he acquired it later. I profiled Ball's SE5 at 56 Sqn with the red nose and wheel covers, sadly someone at the printer lost it prior to copying it for the FMP VC book - and I sent it to them before I got my scanner so I don't have a copy of it either. Ball had other modifications done to this aircraft including the Vickers wholly above the cowl. Bob ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3543 **********************