WWI Digest 3542 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Xtracolor Paints WWI colors by Jan Vihonen 2) Re: Fw: Brandenburg D.I books by NodalPoint@aol.com 3) Re: Fw: Brandenburg D.I books by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 4) Fwd: Re: Xtracolor Paints WWI colors by "Mark Shannon" 5) Re: Fwd: Re: Xtracolor Paints WWI colors by Jan Vihonen 6) Pc problems solved by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 7) Re: Junkers D I by jesse thorn 8) Re: Fw: Brandenburg D.I books by "Lee M." 9) Re: model show on the deep south by "Limon3" 10) RE: model show on the deep south by "dfernet0" 11) Message Returns by MAnde72343@aol.com 12) CSM Lewis machine gun in 1/48 by Sanjeev Hirve 13) RE: Message Returns by "Ray Boorman" 14) RE: Message Returns by "dfernet0" 15) RE: Message Returns by "Gaston Graf" 16) Message Returns by MAnde72343@aol.com 17) RE: CSM Lewis machine gun in 1/48 by "dfernet0" 18) RE: Message Returns by "dfernet0" 19) FW: Fw: Brandenburg D.I books by "Ray Boorman" 20) was Pot of gold - now TC Berg bristol Scout. by "Ray Boorman" 21) RE: Fw: Brandenburg D.I books by "dfernet0" 22) RE: Message Returns by "Gaston Graf" 23) Message returns by MAnde72343@aol.com 24) Diego's Stormtrooper by MAnde72343@aol.com 25) Fokker DVII by Roden was: Re: Xtrcolor WWI enamels? by "Hans Trauner" 26) RE: Message Returns by "dfernet0" 27) Re: Message Returns by Allan Wright 28) Re: FW: Fw: Brandenburg D.I books by John_Impenna@hyperion.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:31:44 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Xtracolor Paints WWI colors Message-ID: <3B5C3550.3905F3D2@helsinki.fi> Mark Shannon wrote: > When talking about WWI colors, it is hard to define 'accuracy'. Agreed. > There are few specs and standards to really compare them against and existing samples have the difficulties of removing 80-odd years of age from them and the effects of that. You'll see a couple of discussions of this from the archives from about a month back. I remember having read them before my holiday trip. > So, Xtracolor paints in the WWI range are generally considered very reasonable. Their versions of PC-10, German Dark Green, Underside Blue, and Mauve/Lilac are relatively popular. Yes, those are the ones available in the local model shop. > But PC-10 is a case in point about matching the color. The mixture stayed relatively constant, but there is evidence that the brown ochre pigment used changed in tone through the war. In addition, the method of application changed as different sequences for colored and clear shrinking or non-shrinking dopes were used at different times. Add to that the fact that PC-10 was a proprietary RFC mixture for most of the war that was based on protective value more than color, and you have manufacturer variations and tolerance ranges. Then it goes out in the sun and fades. The best anyone really can do is say that it ranges from greener shades similar to FS34086, 34087, 34088, to shades that are more chocolate brown like 30099. I brought this up because I was little worried about Xtracolor version of PC 10 being much darker than the sample published in Fabric series DF of the British Camouflage. Granted, there are many parameters that can distort the appearance (the whole phtographic reproduction, printing etc.) To me the Extracolor version appeared more like the PC 12 sample in the said book. > There have been studies to nail down the French colors in the five color camouflage and the pre-five-color Jaune Claire (a beautiful young girl with striking blonde hair that was taken as a standard ;{)), called 'Project Butterfly', and there are color mixes based on these results, and Xtracolor paints seem to fit reasonably well there, as well. The French colours are also available in Xtracolor range? That's excellent. > Xtracolor paints are easy to work with, mix well, and are tough as finishes. If you prefer solvent-based enamels, they are as accurate as anyone can claim, and if some color constable says otherwise, you have permission to hand him a tin and tell him to apply it liberally where the sun never shines. Well, I've been using them almost exclusively for a decade or so and am very happy with them. You can't possibly find tougher finishes. The selection here in Finland is rather small, though, and ordering a few tins from the Hannants is rather expensive. Happily enough, now we have at least the above mentionned WWI colours. Thank you very much Mark. Jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:20:14 EDT From: NodalPoint@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fw: Brandenburg D.I books Message-ID: <34.1842bfae.288da8be@aol.com> If you look at this seller's feedback he has 20 or so negatives. That's a lot compared to the people I have had transactions with. I've noticed Beachcomber books on some internet searches I've done so it seems they'd be used to selling books. He listed that he had 900 copies of the book to offer, seems like a lot to me. Maybe it was too good to be true... Steve << Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:49:02 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fw: Brandenburg D.I books Message-ID: Hi Warren and Folks, Exactly the same dribble I got from this guy...While Ebay usually doesn't care about how sellers act, a flurry of complaints usually results in an ID being suspended. I emailed him back telling him if he didn't respond to me by the end of the day today with the books I ordered, I am lodging a complaint with Ebay and posting negative feedback. Regards, John >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:33:19 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fw: Brandenburg D.I books Message-ID: Hi Steve, Yeah that's what I thought, but he had plenty of time to cancel this auction.....He never responded to me by my deadline, so I have filed a complaint with Ebay and will be posting negative feedback... You're right, his negatives are quite high.... Also, in over a year of using Ebay, this is the FIRST time I have had a problem withg a seller! One out of about 42 or 43 purchases....Not bad...but still no excuse...Best way to show this seller your displeasure is to post negative feedback...If he does the same, not likely, as he doesn't even reply to negatives on his profile!!!!, you can have Ebay remove it. This guy seems to live on the LoonEbay narcotic:"If I offer it, they will bid........" I will never bid on one of his auctions again, regardless of what he offers...Shame more folks won't do the same.... Regards, John NodalPoint@ao l.com To: Multiple recipients of list Sent by: wwi@wwi-model cc: s.org Subject: Re: Fw: Brandenburg D.I books 07/23/01 12:24 PM Please respond to wwi If you look at this seller's feedback he has 20 or so negatives. That's a lot compared to the people I have had transactions with. I've noticed Beachcomber books on some internet searches I've done so it seems they'd be used to selling books. He listed that he had 900 copies of the book to offer, seems like a lot to me. Maybe it was too good to be true... Steve << Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:49:02 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fw: Brandenburg D.I books Message-ID: Hi Warren and Folks, Exactly the same dribble I got from this guy...While Ebay usually doesn't care about how sellers act, a flurry of complaints usually results in an ID being suspended. I emailed him back telling him if he didn't respond to me by the end of the day today with the books I ordered, I am lodging a complaint with Ebay and posting negative feedback. Regards, John >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:37:09 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Fwd: Re: Xtracolor Paints WWI colors Message-ID: >There have been studies to nail down the French colors in the five color >camouflage and the pre-five-color Jaune Claire (a beautiful young girl with >striking blonde hair that was taken as a standard ;{)), called 'Project Butterfly', >and there are color mixes based on these results, and Xtracolor paints seem to >fit reasonably well there, as well. I'm sorry, I wasn't clear or correct in my previous about this. There are good colors in the Xtracolor range for these, but they are not 'French WWI' colors, per se. I'm away from all of my references, so I'm not sure what the exact ones are. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:59:11 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Xtracolor Paints WWI colors Message-ID: <3B5C57DF.388ED6DD@helsinki.fi> Mark, Whenever you have your references at hand, would you mind posting the Xtracolor equivalents for the french colours? Jan BTW, I noticed only now this Miss J. Claire joke. > >There have been studies to nail down the French colors in the five color >camouflage and the pre-five-color Jaune Claire (a beautiful young girl with >striking blonde hair that was taken as a standard ;{)), called 'Project Butterfly', >and there are color mixes based on these results, and Xtracolor paints seem to >fit reasonably well there, as well. > > I'm sorry, I wasn't clear or correct in my previous about this. There are good colors in the Xtracolor range for these, but they are not 'French WWI' colors, per se. I'm away from all of my references, so I'm not sure what the exact ones are. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:57:36 +0200 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "Wwi Modeling List (Posta elettronica)" Subject: Pc problems solved Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E906F06C@SERVER1> Home PC problems were solved today by my Internet provider. All the very best to you all, Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:47:51 -0400 From: jesse thorn To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Junkers D I Message-ID: hello. i have a copy of 'air international issue number 25' that features a lengthy article on the junkers d.i. no cockpit photo but there is a cut-away drawing of the plane that shows some of the cockpit and engine compartment detail. i can scan it and post it on my website for you if you'd like. jesse >Dear Members, I am a new subscriber of this list, I come from Italy and >I am mainly interested in WWI german and austro-hungarian aircrafts. I >am now building a Blue Max kit if a Junkers DI in 1/48, amongst many >problems found in building it I am particulary in difficult in finding >good pics or schemes of the cockpit, I am in possess of Windsock >Datafile on Junkers DI but the only cockpit photo is of a prototype J7, >another big problem is its colour, the only survivor preserved in MusČe >de l'air et de l'espace in Paris has been repainted in dark grey (I >suppose during its restoration) but from black and white pictures it >seems lighter,( may be natural alluminium?) thanks in advance for any >help. >Kind regards. >Mario Didier ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:55:48 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fw: Brandenburg D.I books Message-ID: <3B5C6524.98CF98C4@x25.net> Beachcomber was an old head in the book business and run by a fine man named Paul Gaulledet (SP) or close to that. I did business with him far before he moved from the Pacific Northwest to Tucson, AZ more than 30 years ago. I got a catalog from him about 2 years back. Ordered one book and got it in 12 days all by P. O. and not online. I never had a single problem doing business with him. Lee M. New Braunfels, TX NodalPoint@aol.com wrote: > If you look at this seller's feedback he has 20 or so negatives. That's a lot > compared to the people I have had transactions with. I've noticed Beachcomber > books on some internet searches I've done so it seems they'd be used to > selling books. He listed that he had 900 copies of the book to offer, seems > like a lot to me. Maybe it was too good to be true... > > Steve > > << Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:49:02 -0400 > From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com > To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Subject: Re: Fw: Brandenburg D.I books > Message-ID: > > > Hi Warren and Folks, > > Exactly the same dribble I got from this guy...While Ebay usually doesn't > care about how sellers act, a flurry of complaints usually results in an ID > being suspended. I emailed him back telling him if he didn't respond to me > by the end of the day today with the books I ordered, I am lodging a > complaint with Ebay and posting negative feedback. > > Regards, > John > >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:17:10 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: model show on the deep south Message-ID: <003a01c113a3$b191bd80$f5f7303f@i7e2z6> Diego, Oye, pibe ---- That was way cool, compadre (what you did to the judges) Gabe ----- Original Message ----- From: dfernet0 To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 4:40 AM Subject: model show on the deep south > Hey! > Last saturday, a pair of friends R/C modelers (so you may imagine how sick > they are) dragged me to attend to a regional model show held here at my > city. I'm not too fond of them, as I feel a bit akward for not finishing as > many kits as I would want to and sometimes been unable to point at flaws of > some of the models exposed just because of the same reason (noblesse > obligue). Anyway, I went there. > Not too many models but quite a few. Preferences are german WW2 subjects and > cars. Some ingenious modeler did several Sci-Fi ships from scratch. A few > 1/72 rather nice WW1 planes, probably done by a kid. Good work! I also saw > for the first time an old Airfix 1/32 1914 London Bus... what a nice subject > for a good WW1 diorama! > Being a complete outsider from the local modelling clubs, I roamed the > tables quite unnoticed, but even so I managed to bother two judges who were > examining a small WW1 vignette, depicting a 1914 german soldier helping a > british private. They were arguing -sotto voce- that the german spiked > helmet was too small for the head. The poor modeler got a good amount of > criticism for that reason so I tried to help the unknown (for me at least) > WW1 modeler: "That's why the german headgear were made of leather and were > quite small compared to later steel helmets" The judges, more used to see > WW2 pot helmets turned and froze me with their glances: "what?" they said. > "Those spiked helmets.. -I dared to say- were made of boiled leather. They > weren't the same as lined steel hats. They fit closer. The figure looks > right". "Harrumpf" they said and gave the modeler a good note. Then my > friends came in and dragged me away from the room. > It was a nice saturday afternoon, after all. > D. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:17:46 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: model show on the deep south Message-ID: <01d301c113a3$c669bd20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> thanks! Even when I didn't stayed long enough to see them judging WW1 colours I enjoyed to annoy them. Even tough, the little WW1 vignette must have lost compared an exceptional WW2 "Afrika Korps" vignette. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Limon3 To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 3:09 PM Subject: Re: model show on the deep south > Diego, > Oye, pibe ---- That was way cool, compadre (what you did to the judges) > Gabe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:52:18 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Message Returns Message-ID: <29.180c5a07.288dcc62@aol.com> --part1_29.180c5a07.288dcc62_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got my most recent message returned to me, is the List okay? Merrill --part1_29.180c5a07.288dcc62_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got my most recent message returned to me, is the List okay?
Merrill
--part1_29.180c5a07.288dcc62_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:55:03 -0400 From: Sanjeev Hirve To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: CSM Lewis machine gun in 1/48 Message-ID: <5F935CCBFB73D511BA2000B0D079E11E01C2B6@cyberexch01.internal.evincible.com> I am trying to assemble the 1:48 scale Lewis machinegun form Copper State Models, the one in photo-etch and resin. If anyone has successfully built one of these, firstly I wish to genuflect, nay prostrate myself before you. Can you share with us, your technique for attaching the front-sight cross-piece, the one that goes in horizontal between the two posts of the front sight. Without special tools, that is, Alice's growing and shrinking pills not allowed. Thank you SSH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:59:30 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Message Returns Message-ID: Me too, but the list seems ok Ray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:10:02 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Message Returns Message-ID: <000701c113ab$13d44ba0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Merril This came thru fine, but has lots of MIME and, alas, no rhyme D. You must get this message twice because it looked to me darn nice ----- Original Message ----- From: > I got my most recent message returned to me, is the List okay? > Merrill > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:08:22 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Message Returns Message-ID: Yuk - the list works fine for me. But you should switch off the HTML! sincerely Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of > MAnde72343@aol.com > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 8:56 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Message Returns > > > > --part1_29.180c5a07.288dcc62_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I got my most recent message returned to me, is the List okay? > Merrill > > --part1_29.180c5a07.288dcc62_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I got my most > recent message returned to me, is the List okay? >
Merrill
> > --part1_29.180c5a07.288dcc62_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:08:24 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Message Returns Message-ID: <11e.2120bbd.288dd028@aol.com> Al, it seems that when I turn off mime and HTML, my ISP returns my messages? That would be messy for everyone else, have my mime, etc., been bypassed or not? Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:16:45 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: CSM Lewis machine gun in 1/48 Message-ID: <002d01c113ac$03e61ec0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Sanjeev Here's a picture of the set. http://www.amug.org/~copperst/images/details/48/lewis.jpg Wich part are you referring to? D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sanjeev Hirve To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 4:04 PM Subject: CSM Lewis machine gun in 1/48 > I am trying to assemble the 1:48 scale Lewis machinegun form Copper State > Models, the one in photo-etch and resin. > If anyone has successfully built one of these, firstly I wish to > genuflect, nay prostrate myself before you. > Can you share with us, your technique for attaching the front-sight > cross-piece, the one that goes in horizontal between the two posts of the > front sight. Without special tools, that is, Alice's growing and shrinking > pills not allowed. > Thank you > SSH > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:22:56 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Message Returns Message-ID: <004e01c113ac$e095c960$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Your last message was mean with all the MIME on the screen the previous message was clean So Al will give you his grin MC Cool D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 4:13 PM Subject: Message Returns > Al, it seems that when I turn off mime and HTML, my ISP returns my messages? > That would be messy for everyone else, have my mime, etc., been bypassed or > not? > Merrill > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:16:02 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: "Wwi@Wwi-Models. Org" Subject: FW: Fw: Brandenburg D.I books Message-ID: Ok guys hold on a minute here and lets not tar the devil before he deserves it. First 900 copies would be close to a third of the books production run, therefore it was suspicious anyway. If you are a human being you make mistakes every now an again. I am going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt based on the following. If you do a lot of business on ebay it strikes me that one out of a hundred times you are going to screw up. Especially if you are using software to post the auctions. Its easy to make a typo error. Say the guy had one copy and wanted 9 dollars he would have entered 9.00 for price. See the problem. Yes I know he should have checked but havent we all done similiar things. I once sold an old Almark book through ebay. The auction went fine and I was packaging the book up. Darned cat jumped on the table book went flying right into the cats water dish. Thereby not being sellable. I emailed the buyer and returned his money and appologized profusely. I should have got negative feedback for that and would have deserved it by the rules. But we all make mistakes and well to quote the proverb "to err is human, to forgive is divine" or something like that. Think of it another way, we havent sent money, it was too damned good a deal to start with and were mad cause we really wanted the book at the price and we feel disapointed. Well take the angry out of the equation and we have a mistake. A bit irritating but in the grand scheme of things no big deal. Just my two cents, lets give the guy a break, or else the next time it could be one of us. Ray > > John_Impenna@hyperion.com > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:55 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: Fw: Brandenburg D.I books > > > > > > > > Hi Warren and Folks, > > > > Exactly the same dribble I got from this guy...While Ebay > usually doesn't > > care about how sellers act, a flurry of complaints usually > > results in an ID > > being suspended. I emailed him back telling him if he didn't > respond to me > > by the end of the day today with the books I ordered, I am lodging a > > complaint with Ebay and posting negative feedback. > > > > Regards, > > John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:23:45 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: was Pot of gold - now TC Berg bristol Scout. Message-ID: Thanks guys, Based on Steven and Matts response it would seem I have the the TC Berg model. Since I dont have extra parts except for a choice of engines. I'm poring over the datafile now. From what I see some D's were pretty much the same as a C except for wing dihedral. Other later D types had a different engine. It would also seem that there were lots of different cowl shapes. Most similiar but with different cut-outs for cooling. Would this be accurate. I'm still darned happy about this. Its a bit like christmas when you open the box and find a bonus like this. Just shows it doesnt take much to keep me happy. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:32:58 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Fw: Brandenburg D.I books Message-ID: <005c01c113ae$4796ffc0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Ray wrote: > Darned cat jumped on the > table book went flying right into the cats water dish. Thereby > not being sellable. Did you allowed the cat to read the book before selling it in auction? That cat seems to have an attitude problem against you and Tony Fokker, ain't he? > Just my two cents, lets give the guy a break, or else the next > time it could be one of us. I think that you're right. Let's wait a while and he might explain this little mistery (are we so innocent to think that 900 FMP book will be sold for 1 U$S and no trick behind it?) The suspicion of switched numbers of Ray makes sense. Hopefully Mr. Beachcomber will write us to explain what happened with this weird auction. D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:30:02 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Message Returns Message-ID: Now wrap this thing in good (Cowl)Metal music and drop the rap and you'll become a superstar ;o). rock me baby! Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > Your last message was mean > with all the MIME on the screen > the previous message was clean > So Al will give you his grin > > MC Cool D. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:37:57 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Message returns Message-ID: Four of my last five messages have been returned, all had the mime/HTML turned off Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:43:50 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Diego's Stormtrooper Message-ID: Diego, I never checked out your stormtrooper on your page at the site. I did today, exceptional work! Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:48:14 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Fokker DVII by Roden was: Re: Xtrcolor WWI enamels? Message-ID: <004f01c113b0$69bdc1e0$fe78a8c0@FRITZweb> Jan, I am not the millimeter fanatic. If it looks like a Fokker, feels like a Fokker and is about the size of a Fokker, than it should be a Fokker. > > I'm not sure how the Roden kits are form and measurewise. Has this been > > discussed lately? > > Yes, check the archives from a week or so, Hans or Volker had comments on > the kits. > D. Yeah, but we did not discuss measurements. But I take the Roden late version parts in my other hand and lay it on the Anth. 1 drawings: ( 3 min later:) Top wing, spot on. Aileron ends could be more rounded Lower wing also perfect match. Fuselage 3mm too long. uuutch! Planview o.k. The 3 mm are between seat and engine! If you match the cowling, the back side of the cockpit is too far away. Hard to correct. But I checked the drawing to be sure and found them 3 mm too short... The specifications from DF 9 gives 6950 mm for the lenght and therefore 3 mms are missing. Welldone, Roden. They did this with the Pfalz before IIRC. Horizontal tailplane seems to be o.k. but I have to remove all the flash before. But the axle wing is 2,5 mm too short. $%§/&&!! It'll be an awful looking Fokker if this is not corrected! Or better not? The fuselage problem irritates me. The strut positions on the axle wing are perfect, but compared to the drawing the wheel should be 1,5mm farer away from the struts. Hmm, are the wheel spaced correctly or are they not? Hmmpff..... I cannot say anything about struts, until I have finished the model. As you see, a real modeller's kit! You have to make you iown decisions and it will show the maker's style. Everybody can build a perfect kit! Hans ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:50:54 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Message Returns Message-ID: <007f01c113b0$c8bbb080$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Monsieur Gaston Graf Told me to wrap my verses of rap with music that's c***p This metallic chap knows nothing of rap to wear a cap with the visor at the back and a total lack ...... of consideration! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gaston Graf To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 4:35 PM Subject: RE: Message Returns > Now wrap this thing in good (Cowl)Metal music and drop the rap and you'll > become a superstar ;o). > > rock me baby! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:54:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Message Returns Message-ID: <200107231954.PAA00094@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Ahem.... back to modeling please..... Al > > Monsieur Gaston Graf > Told me to wrap > my verses of rap > with music that's c***p > This metallic chap > knows nothing of rap > to wear a cap > with the visor at the back > and a total lack > > > > > > > ..... of consideration! > > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gaston Graf > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 4:35 PM > Subject: RE: Message Returns > > > > Now wrap this thing in good (Cowl)Metal music and drop the rap and you'll > > become a superstar ;o). > > > > rock me baby! > > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:47:55 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: FW: Fw: Brandenburg D.I books Message-ID: Hi Folks, Here is the response I got from Beachcomb@aol.com: >>john, i posted 140 books before i left for seattle for 7 days. this was a typo i didn't catch. i never had multiples of the title. i never saw my listing after loading & all auctions were complete when i got back. ok. it was a mistake. if i had one i would sell it to you.<< I'd like to agree with Ray and my first inclination is to do so, but I have sold items on Ebay and this is absolutely the wrong way to do it...I MAKE SURE my auctions say exactly what they are supposed to say....Yeah, it seemed to good to be true at first, but I wonder if perhaps he really has 10 or 20 and just didn't realize the price he wanted....No intention to be angry or nasty. I just plan to leave the truth about this transaction. "Seller failed to honor auction. Claimed mistake". It will not be positive...This online selling is left to be self-policing. Sure, we are lucky we didn't lose any money, but who knows, maybe we save someone from losing money in the future. Why wait until it gets to that? Regards, John ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3542 **********************