WWI Digest 3526 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: My Cookup Nieuport by "Matt Bittner" 2) Re: My Cookup Nieuport by "Steven Perry" 3) "Part" sources by =?iso-8859-1?q?Fernando=20Cecilio?= 4) Re: "Part" sources by "Tom Plesha" 5) Part Suppliers by MAnde72343@aol.com 6) Re: Nieuport 23 question by "Liefferinckx Frederic" 7) Hanriot by MAnde72343@aol.com 8) Nieuport Fakeout by MAnde72343@aol.com 9) Original List Button Available For Trade by "Mike Franklin" 10) Sources for Fairly Priced 1/72 Kits by Todd Hayes 11) RE: My Cookup Nieuport by Shane Weier 12) RE: Nieuport 23 question by Shane Weier 13) Re: Original List Button Available For Trade by Al Superczynski 14) Re: Sources for Fairly Priced 1/72 Kits by "Matt Bittner" 15) Re: Sources for Fairly Priced 1/72 Kits by Todd Hayes 16) Pflaz page on web site by Dennis Ugulano 17) Mostly 1/48 OT kits for sale. by DNSH@aol.com 18) Re:Czechmaster and Luedemann Kits by pugs99@att.net 19) 4D Again by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 20) RE: Mostly 1/48 OT kits for sale. by Shane Weier 21) Re: Mostly 1/48 OT kits for sale. by Ernest Thomas 22) Re: Original List Button Available For Trade by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) 23) Ebay madness by "Matt Bittner" 24) A Load of Plastic Arrived Yesterday..... by pugs99@att.net 25) Re: 4D Again by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 26) RE: A Load of Plastic Arrived Yesterday..... by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:57:24 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: RE: My Cookup Nieuport Message-ID: <200107151455.HAA23203@falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 01:36:34 -0400 (EDT), Shane Weier wrote: > Ahem. By now you'll have read SP's post admitting his guilt. FWIW I am > entirely innocent of any active part in this travesty.... Rrriiiggghhhttt...you innocent? I have this bridge... > > > I don't suppose you'd apologise anyway? > > <\hurt look > I do apologise for thinking you were the instigator, but you are far from innocent. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:13:34 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: My Cookup Nieuport Message-ID: <001f01c10d40$b7311600$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> Shane Weier wrote: > > > Ahem. By now you'll have read SP's post admitting his guilt. FWIW I am > > entirely innocent of any active part in this travesty.... And as proof, sp offers the following: One day absent from the list and you guys start something *I* should have thought of doing I don't (on principal) have any completed Nieuports but.... I pledge a review of a non-existent new reference book. I'll need help though to make it *really* shake Matt up. I propose to reveal that the book has clear photos (previously unknown) of some subject near and dear to Matties little 1/72 heart but about which there's no real evidence. Ideas anyone? I propose to disprove at least one dearly held Bittner theory (perhaps I'll hae to offend our other Niueportophiles by relating the discovery of proof that the wing sweep of the Toko Nie is precisely correct or something) Ideas anyone? I'm also going to suggest that the authors have access to real fabric, recently discovered in an ex-USSR archive with the new photos, and that it categorically proves - what? - something that'll stand his hair on end? Mmmmmm. Perhaps we need a review by an Eastern European listee like Tomasz of the newly (surprise) released Eduard 1/72 Nie 17 ? Shane Active part, perhaps not, but as to the issue of intent.............. ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:57:21 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fernando=20Cecilio?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: "Part" sources Message-ID: <20010715165721.21636.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Yep, still kicking... Hi everybody! Primitive I'll accept but, is there a direct URL for Part PE or it's only bought throuh established dealers? TIA Fernando PS the Nieuport thing was tops. Could we publish an anthology? Poor guy IF he fell for it... ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:43:08 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: "Part" sources Message-ID: <000501c10d55$9c70bd60$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi Fernando- FWIW I ordered Part PE from the Great Models Web site. They did not have them in at the time I ordered, so I'm waiting. Later Tom S.E.MI. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Cecilio" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: "Part" sources > Yep, still kicking... > Hi everybody! > > Primitive I'll accept but, is there a direct URL for > Part PE or it's only bought throuh established > dealers? > > TIA > Fernando > > PS the Nieuport thing was tops. Could we publish an > anthology? > Poor guy IF he fell for it... > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:47:00 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Part Suppliers Message-ID: <37.17e571d9.28833114@aol.com> --part1_37.17e571d9.28833114_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roll Models has had Part PE for as long as anyone, and John keeps a good supply on hand. Merrill --part1_37.17e571d9.28833114_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roll Models has had Part PE for as long as anyone, and John keeps a good
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--part1_37.17e571d9.28833114_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:54:08 +0200 From: "Liefferinckx Frederic" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport 23 question Message-ID: <001f01c10d57$284f8360$b59d043e@d6o1v9> ----- Message d'origine ----- De : Shane Weier À : Multiple recipients of list Envoyé : mercredi 11 juillet 2001 9:04 Objet : FW: Nieuport 23 question > Hi all, > > Here's a question from a fellow club member who thinks I'm the fount of > knowledge. > > I'd hate to disappoint him, but what I *know* about Belgian Nieuports is > pretty minimal. Can one of our Nieuportophiles - or maybe one of our three > Belgian listees - shed some light for this poor man who usually builds F**** > W*** aircraft ? > > > > A question Thinking of building the Eduard Nie 23 as > >Andre de Meulemeesters a/c to go with the Hanriot. I've a side view > > captioned as his in a not too recent SMI review of the Nie 17. > >It shows "silver" main with green turtle deck etc on fus. and > >presumably green/brown wings/ tail. "yellow" square just behind > >cockpit and black sq's on fus. sides. with the "oval" panel in fwd > >fus open (with mesh?) How'm I doing so far? I've checked the ww1 > >site albeit not in depth yet. got any links or info. I think the > >airframe no on the fin was 5025. > >cheers JH > > > Thanks > > Shane > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** > the black square on the fuselage side are yellow,and if you friend will paint a Nie23 look my model,i have used the spanish color"vallejo" reflective greenand after a coat of aeromasters semi gloss varnish and for the "silver"i have used the technique our friend Alberto 1grey part for 10 silver part. sorry for the"retard" because i come back from the West Africa (Benin). have a nice day. Fred. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:00:20 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Hanriot Message-ID: <17.18818d92.28833434@aol.com> Did Eduard ever release a PE set for their Hanriot? I bought the non Profile version. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:17:14 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Nieuport Fakeout Message-ID: <24.162fd5ec.2883382a@aol.com> I 'm glad to see Matt has a sense of humor, and proportion, that was fun, and FUNNY, great work guys, the 'articles' had me ROTFLMAO! Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:59:24 -0700 From: "Mike Franklin" To: Subject: Original List Button Available For Trade Message-ID: <000801c10d68$a9d5b740$82423604@picker> Kind people, I have an original WWI list button, made by the man, Big Al Superczynski , available for trade. Please contact me via e-mail as I do not subscribe to this list anymore. I am interested in anything pertaining to 1/48 scale aeromodeling. Best offer gets the button. Once again, please contact me off list, via e-mail. Thank you, Mike Franklin Bellingham, WA USA "No man is so hated as he who will drive the speed limit" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:41:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Sources for Fairly Priced 1/72 Kits Message-ID: <20010715214158.64353.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone, I was asked a question that I really don't know how to answer about On-line 1/72 Kit sources other than VAMP, that charge good/fair prices for their merchandise. Pegasus, NKR, and who else? Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:56:18 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: My Cookup Nieuport Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD272@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> SP > >And as proof, sp offers the following: > > One day absent from the list and you guys start something *I* > should have thought of doing How sharper than a serpents tooth it is to have a thankless friend (with apologies to Bill) Ruddy cheek. You didn't quote my later post when I washed my hands of the whole idea in disgust though, did you? Surely Matt will note that I *didn't* write the review ? Harrumph. <\look of pained innocence> Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:59:31 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Nieuport 23 question Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD273@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Fred says: > the black square on the fuselage side are yellow,and if you > friend will > paint a Nie23 look my model,i have used the spanish color"vallejo" > reflective green and after a coat of aeromasters semi gloss > varnish and for > the "silver"i have used the technique our friend Alberto > 1grey part for 10 silver part. > sorry for the"retard" because i come back from the West > Africa (Benin). > > Thanks a lot. This is just what John wanted to hear. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:05:50 -0500 From: Al Superczynski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Original List Button Available For Trade Message-ID: >I have an original WWI list button, made by the man, Big Al Superczynski , >available for trade. While Mike may very well have gotten a list button from me I can't take credit for ever having made any - that one and the one I still have were done by John Huggins. And I hope Mike was smiling when he typed "Big"...... ;-p Al ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:14:30 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Sources for Fairly Priced 1/72 Kits Message-ID: <200107152212.PAA15542@falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net> On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:46:17 -0400 (EDT), Todd Hayes wrote: > I was asked a question that I really don't know how to > answer about On-line 1/72 Kit sources other than VAMP, > that charge good/fair prices for their merchandise. > Pegasus, NKR, and who else? Definitely NKR. Can't be beat, price wise. US sources include Roll (toward the less expensive realm) to Rosemont (for the close-to-retail realm). Pegasus is only good for ordering their kits direct. I won't buy Pegasus kits any other way, from now on. FWIW, HTH, YMMV... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:21:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Sources for Fairly Priced 1/72 Kits Message-ID: <20010715222108.66541.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Matt, Build any Nieuport 22's lately? The VAMP Order should be sent to me fairly soon (7-10 days). And your answer does help. Thanks. Todd --- Matt Bittner wrote: > On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:46:17 -0400 (EDT), Todd Hayes > wrote: > > > I was asked a question that I really don't know > how to > > answer about On-line 1/72 Kit sources other than > VAMP, > > that charge good/fair prices for their > merchandise. > > Pegasus, NKR, and who else? > > Definitely NKR. Can't be beat, price wise. US > sources include Roll > (toward the less expensive realm) to Rosemont (for > the close-to-retail > realm). Pegasus is only good for ordering their > kits direct. I won't > buy Pegasus kits any other way, from now on. FWIW, > HTH, YMMV... > > > Matt Bittner > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:08:54 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Pflaz page on web site Message-ID: <200107152109_MC3-D954-75C8@compuserve.com> Everyone, Another revision has been made to the web site. A Pfalz page has been added to the German section and the Pfalz Dr1 and the D.XII are new additions. Everything works from this end but let me know if there are any problems. Progress Report: The Morane Saulnier Type P is getting ready for its fuselage paint. The wide cockpit opening lends its self to adding the interior after painting. I will out of town for two days but it looks good for a completion by next week end. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 7/15/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:19:17 EDT From: DNSH@aol.com To: Cc: Subject: Mostly 1/48 OT kits for sale. Message-ID: Hi All, After a lot of consideration, I’ve decided to get rid of most of my OT kits (and a few ot kits and 1/72) in 1/48 scale. Looking at all the kits, I realized that I have almost all of the 1/48 kits in 1/72, and since I prefer 1/72, it’s unlikely that I’d build a kit twice. All kits are complete except where noted. Shipping will be $2.00 for single kits and $5.00 for multiple kits. If interested, please contact me off line. So, here we go: DML: (2 each) Fokker D.VII (neither has the resin figure) $20.00 ea. Fokker Dr.I $7.00 ea. Fokker D.VIII (wrong instructions/decals and no figure) $5.00 Blue Max: (1 each) Boxes somewhat worn due to flimsy design, but kits fine. Pfalz D.XII $15.00 Junker J9 $25.00 Spad 7 $20.00 (missing instructions) Bristol F2b $12.00 Camel $12.00 Pfalz D.III $8.00 Snipe $12.00 Dolphin $12.00 Eduard: (1 each) HB D.I $10.00 Sop. Baby $10.00 MS L $10.00 Alb C.III1 $10.00 Floh $5.00 Han CL.II $10.00 Sop Tripe $10.00 Pup $10.00 Alb. D.III $12.00 (extra P/E set) Alb. D.V $10.00 Ni. 17 $10.00 Ni. 23 $10.00 Roland C.II $10.00 HB W.29 $15.00 Others: Dynavector 1/48 Gannet Vac. $20.00 Cooper 1/48 Whirlwind Vac. $20.00 Tamiya 1/48 KI-46 III $10.00 Hasegawa 1/48 Hs129 $10.00 Hasegawa 1/48 Falcon 10 French Navy $10.00 Roden 1/72 He111 B $6.00 Classic Airframes 1/48 HE-112 $8.00 “ “ “ BP Defiant $12.00 “ “ “ Fiat Cr. 42 $10.00 Contrail 1/72 Blackburn GP Seaplane $10.00 Magna 1/72 Scimitar resin $10.00 Resicast 1/35 Ford Model T WWI ambulance resin $30.00 Thanks, Dan Hartz DNSH@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:29:01 +0000 From: pugs99@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re:Czechmaster and Luedemann Kits Message-ID: <20010716012902.BHPT1777.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Hi Volker, Thanks for the info. Checked out the IM articles and i am going to be ordering the ones I want!!!! These certainly seem to be bargains. Thanks Again!!! Regards, John P.S. will be adding a Taube!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:31:59 -0400 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: 4D Again Message-ID: <000701c10d97$1c7d6fd0$3837183f@cyrixp166> A few days ago we had a thread going about O. von Beaulieu-Marconnay's Fokker D.VII. I would be interested in finding out from those of you with the Fokker D.VII Anthology if any citations are given for the profile of v B-M's D.VII. I don't have the Anthology, but I do have a couple of other references: 1. PD Decal Sheet 48-016 Fokker D.VII 2. History of the First Day Bombarment Group, Thomas Miller, WWI Aero Publishers, Vol. 1., No2 (the bookshop not the magazine) The PD sheet calls out "Nose, undercarridge & centre section struts in yellow, rear fuselage & tailplane in blue. Rudder was white. Wings finished in early 4 colour lozenge camouflage with light blue rib tapes." The sheet cites the D.VII profile pub & reference #2 above as source material. The page cited for reference #2 is a simple line drawing with the same sort of color notes, as given by the PD sheet, but are unattributed. However on page 14 there is a photograph of v B-M & his D.VII. This is a 3/4 view of the starboard side. The quality is not great, like so many other WWI photos, but it does reveal some interesting information. The nose has the single panel with the eliptical leading edge and the angular trailing edge. It has 3 gill-like louvres strarting from the top of the trailing edge, the other 2 being progressively larger than the preceding one. Just behind the trailing edge of the panel is the triangular access port in the usual place. I cannot make out any lozenge on the wings in this print. I am not saying it is not there, just that I cannot tell for sure with this print. There does seem to be a subtle color demarcation which bi-sects the cockpit. Located just aft of the cockpit is v B-M's 4D. At ~ 2 O'clock on the "D", I can make out a ghostly painted out wing symbol, obviously Berthold's winged sword. I am not an "expert" in photographic interpretations, but this looks like the ship is still painted in the Red/Prussian Blue of Jasta 15. It doesn't seem to have the tonal qualities of a yellow, like for instance that line up of Jasta 10 Pfalz D-types. This gives rise to a few more questions: a.) When did v B-M inherit Berthold's aircraft? b.) When did he take commanf\d of Jasta 19? c.) What colors are attrributed to Jasta 19? Regards, John Cyg. PS. If this is boring anybody to go back over this, let me know & I'll take it off list. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:52:58 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Mostly 1/48 OT kits for sale. Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD27C@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Dan says: > Junker J9 $25.00 Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:00:46 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Mostly 1/48 OT kits for sale. Message-ID: <3B524ACE.783440CE@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > > Dan says: > > > Junker J9 $25.00 > > Won't hear my feet in that mob. I'm in the mood for something more....... PC-10-ish. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:08:31 -0600 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Original List Button Available For Trade Message-ID: Thanks Al. john ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:30:49 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Ebay madness Message-ID: <200107160228.TAA14024@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Oh yea. The Temeks/Eastern Express MoS Type I is currently at $22 at ebay. I can get it for around $5 from on-line shops. Cripes. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 02:29:43 +0000 From: pugs99@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: A Load of Plastic Arrived Yesterday..... Message-ID: <20010716022946.VEEJ3707.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Hi Folks, A great Saturday morning!! Before going out for the day to enjoy the great weather we are currently having(80 dry and Sunny!!!!. Not hazy. hot and humid which is normal for New York this time of year)a couple of boxes arrived. The first from Earl at NKR had a couple of the new ones we have all been buzzing about. Here are a few thoughts: Roden Early Fokker D.VII-Beautiful job on this one! Same "bulge" that Matt reported on the lower wing, but not on the radiator..This kit really does look like a D.VII. My suggestion, buy about 6. I am! Roden Late Fokker D.VIIF-Ditto from above. Very nicely done. Especially the guns, rib representation and general outline. Cowl panels seem to match everything I have in my reference library! Again, buy 6 or 7! Mac Phonix and Roland kits-I can only echo everything that has been said before. These MAC kits are superb. When those mof us in the US order these from Earl, they work out to about $9!!! Worth twice that. Maquette 1/48(THE ONE REAL TRUE SCALE!!!) Morane G. Really nice kit. A little lite on detail, comparable to an early Eduard, but for $5, you can't go wrong. Nice chance to try those "see-thru" CDL schemes. Gavia Bristol-Buy a few of these. Great kit. I hope they continue to do these types, especially in 1/48th. This kit is beautifully molded and as Mike and Todd have said, Very Tasty!! Now, what do I pick for a next project!!!! So many choices and only 2 hands!!! Regards, John Impenna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:57:55 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: Subject: Re: 4D Again Message-ID: <015501c10da3$1d3aaee0$7f01010a@jaring.my> John, > The PD sheet calls out "Nose, undercarriage & centre section struts in > yellow, rear fuselage & tailplane in blue. Rudder was white. Wings finished > in early 4 colour lozenge camouflage with light blue rib tapes." The sheet > cites the D.VII profile pub & reference #2 above as source material. The > page cited for reference #2 is a simple line drawing with the same sort of > color notes, as given by the PD sheet, but are unattributed. > being at work, I don't have the Anthology at hand. However (and from memory only) an even better discussion of the "4D" marking is in the Jasta 19 discussion in GvW's Jagdgeschwader 2 Colors description in OTF (also not sure about the issue at this moment, but it might have been 10/1) There's also a color depiction on the OtF website, see http://www.overthefront.com/SiteMill.html/07JGII.html >From what I remember, it is just simply not clear wether the machine is depicted at it's time as a Jasta 15 or 19 machine. Basically both could be possible. note that the yellow of Jasta 19 might be a totally different one to the one used at Jasta 11 (and even there, the tonal values changed). However, the machine is clearly identified as one earlier flown by Berthold. AFAIK, there is no indication when BM took it over. To your question on Jasta 19 markings: > c.) What colors are attrributed to Jasta 19? When JaGe II was commanded by von Tutschek, Jasta 19 (flying Dr I's) had the white Jagdgeschwader cowl marking, plus yellow/black angled bands on the tailplane. Interestingly enough, Jasta 19 was called the "Tigerstaffel" (Tiger squadron) because of that. When Berthold took over, he made part of his old (Jasta 18, changed to jasta 15) marking the Geschwadermarkierung: All JaGe II Staffeln used the blue fuselage, but with different noses: Jasta 12 white Jasta 13 green Jasta 15 blue Jasta 19 yellow Seems von Boenigk did not further change this marking. Existing descriptions on different markings (coming from an interview of a captured pilot) were clearly ment to mislead allied intelligence. In total: Both versions seem possible - noone will be able to prove you wrong. Actually, there's even a chance that the aircraft had both marking s (red and yellow) at different times - but that's obviously pure speculation Volker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:36:53 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: A Load of Plastic Arrived Yesterday..... Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD27E@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> John says: > Roden Early Fokker D.VII-Beautiful job on this one! Same > "bulge" that Matt reported on the lower wing, but not on > the radiator..This kit really does look like a D.VII. My > suggestion, buy about 6. I am! FWIW no bulge in either place on mine. Funny. > Mac Phonix and Roland kits-I can only echo everything > that has been said before. These MAC kits are superb. > When those mof us in the US order these from Earl, they > work out to about $9!!! Worth twice that. Saw them judged on rec.models.scale as being not nearly s good as the Rodens. Kinda surprised me because I thought them slightly *better*, at least in mould quality. > Now, what do I pick for a next project!!!! So many > choices and only 2 hands!!! A 1/48 D.VII ? I know what you mean. I've had to hide my newest kits (same ones!) away under the bench so that they aren't sitting in sight, tempting me, or I'd never get any darn thing finished. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3526 **********************