WWI Digest 3510 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Two more OT books from Crowood Press - British Tanks and German Artillery of WW1 by "Brad & Merville" 2) Re: Missing Nieuport Found by "David C. Fletcher" 3) Web site update by Dennis Ugulano 4) A dope about dope (vs. paint), or Dr I 'turquoise' by "Stefen Karver" 5) by Shane Weier 6) Roden Fokker D.VII by Shane Weier 7) Re: A dope about dope (vs. paint), or Dr I 'turquoise' by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) 8) RE: Rib tape question by "Jay M. Thompson" 9) Re: Nieuport Fakeout by Witold Kozakiewicz 10) Re: Roden Fokker D.VII by "Michael Kendix" 11) RE: Roden Fokker D.VII by Volker Haeusler 12) Re: Nieuport Cookup uploaded by Allan Wright 13) Re: Nieuport Cookup uploaded by Allan Wright 14) Re: DECALS by "Muth and Zulick" 15) Re: List Problems? by Allan Wright 16) Re: Nieuportgatet by Allan Wright 17) Re: Nieuportgate by Allan Wright 18) Nieuport Cookup by "Muth and Zulick" 19) Re: Putting one over on Bittner by "Muth and Zulick" 20) Congratulations listees! by Andreikor@aol.com 21) Blue Rider decals by Andreikor@aol.com 22) Re: Roden Fokker D.VII by "Rick Milas" 23) Newby wanted update by "Robert Fabris" 24) Re: Roden Fokker D.VII by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) 25) Fwd: Nieuport 28 "Cannon" by MAnde72343@aol.com 26) Nieuport cookup site update by Shane & Lorna Jenkins ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:37:35 -0400 From: "Brad & Merville" To: Subject: Re: Two more OT books from Crowood Press - British Tanks and German Artillery of WW1 Message-ID: <000601c10820$1d73f980$14895ad1@default> I just saw David C. Fletcher on television tonight. He appears as a consultant on a show called 'Tank' on the History channel. Some great footage of OT Mark IVs was shown near the beginning. Since I have met the real David C. Fletcher I was able to spot the imposter immediately (ours is much more handsome and distinguished looking). : ) Brad ......and ours knows much more about floating targets. I'm sure he's given many a submariner a case of the willies in his day. -----Original Message----- From: David C. Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, July 08, 2001 10:25 PM Subject: Re: Two more OT books from Crowood Press - British Tanks and German Artillery of WW1 >Pedro Soares wrote: > > >> British Tanks 1915-19 (192 pages) by >> >>> David Fletcher. >> >> >> Hummmmm. This name sounds familiar............ > >But the wrong David C. Fletcher, and born the same year I was; as in a >previous lament, I had to add my middle name to my ISBN to differentiate >us - and to avoid being branded a tank modeller! There are two kinds of >vehicles - aircraft and targets; some targets float and some crawl... > >The real David C. Fletcher >-- >Visit us at our Home Page: > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 20:14:35 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Missing Nieuport Found Message-ID: <3B49219B.4090703@mars.ark.com> mdf@mars.ark.com wrote: > Found this - probably on a test flight before being sold in the UK... > http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/N26_mtn.jpg That's over Mont St. Michel on the Normandy coast. DCF -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 23:26:12 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Web site update Message-ID: <200107082326_MC3-D88E-5419@compuserve.com> Everyone, Just to let you know that I have updated my French page and added the Nieuport 27. This is the same one for my entry to the Nieuport Cook up. Let me know if there are any problems. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 7/8/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 23:36:14 -0400 From: "Stefen Karver" To: Subject: A dope about dope (vs. paint), or Dr I 'turquoise' Message-ID: <001501c10828$527ca8e0$016dd6d8@stephen> Good evening, ladies & gents-- Communication with Charles Gosse about his fabric sample from MvR's 425/17 got me started on this one. And now I am confused about what the underside turquoise-hued finish applied to Dr I's was--dope or paint. Rimell calls it pigmented dope in the Dr. I Special. But would such a coating also be appropriate on the nonfabric surfaces--landing gear and interplane struts? Or was that like-pigmented paint? Or was it all paint (contra Rimell)? Charles Gosse says that the 'aqua' patches (turquoise?) underlying the red over painting on his sample (from the undersurface) are oil-based paint (personal communication). Thanks in advance and regards to all, Stefen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:58:15 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD218@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Hi all, A gent named Dave Kight is selling the Aurora Brisfit on Hyperscales Plane Trading if anyone wants to have it. Not (IMO) worth much as a kit - the BM and Aeroclub are much better - but if you collect Aurora or want a "blast from the past"........ Email Dave at vkight@alltel.net (I have no connection with Dave, commercial or otherwise!) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:50:57 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD219@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Hi all, Finally got this kit (and the MAC Roland) today. At a glance, both are terrific. The MAC looks for all the world like a new generation Eduard right down to the colour of the plastic. Both kits feature lovely fine detail, and though the MAC is cleaner the tiny amount of f lash on the Roden is a non issue. The Roden, however, gets my "AT LAST" prize, for the inclusion of 5 colour lozenge decals which actually look like they could be accurate in colour. I doubt they closely match anyone elses, but they colours are more convincing by far than any kit loz I can remember. Plenty good enough for me. Great time to be a biscalar modeller! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 02:12:04 -0600 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: A dope about dope (vs. paint), or Dr I 'turquoise' Message-ID: >Good evening, ladies & gents-- >Communication with Charles Gosse about his fabric sample from MvR's 425/17 >got me started on this one. >And now I am confused about what the underside turquoise-hued finish applied >to Dr I's was--dope or paint. Rimell calls it pigmented dope in the Dr. I >Special. But would such a coating also be appropriate on the nonfabric >surfaces--landing gear and interplane struts? Or was that like-pigmented >paint? Or was it all paint (contra Rimell)? Charles Gosse says that the >'aqua' patches (turquoise?) underlying the red over painting on his sample >(from the undersurface) are oil-based paint (personal communication). Stefen, I may be all wrong here, but as far as I know, 425/17 was a presentation aircraft, if you will, from Fokker to MVR. It is believed that the aircraft was covered in Lenin and was painted Red at the factory. If this is the case, there would be no Turquoise or any other color under the Red. 152/17 and 161/17 were both over painted in the field, and would have the Turquoise and streaked Green under the Red areas, which if I understand the conditions and supply system at the time, would be done with dope. From the written material I have seen, I would go with the Red only for 425/17, and would be very cautious about anyone selling any authentic anything from the airplane. Just my nickels worth. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 03:43:26 -0500 From: "Jay M. Thompson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Rib tape question Message-ID: LOL in this case I'm just parroting Mr. Dan-San, who gave me an hour-long exposition one evening on fabric stitching and rib tapes on Fokker D.VII's. I probably should have said that. He insists the colors were consistent with each manufacturer, and in the case of OAW and Albatros were the same color top and bottom. In Fokker's case, using strips of the lozenge fabric itself, they used the correct type for the upper and lower surfaces. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Nigel Rayner Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 2:32 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Rib tape question Jay wrote: >Fokker's standard was tapes made of strips of lozenge fabric. OAW's standard was >light blue, Albatros pink/salmon. Hi Jay, this is interesting. I know Shane W thinks that it seems a bit crazy to go to the trouble of having light blue rib tapes on one side of the wing and pink on the other. I also know that the planes in the Musee De L'air etc at Le Bourget have the same colour tapes top and bottom (although these are obviously not original). I wasn't aware of the diference by manufacturer (but I'm no expert). What evidence is this based on (not trying to disagree, just interested)? Other thoughts from listees? Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 12:35:20 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport Fakeout Message-ID: <3B4988E8.6DD8EF31@bg.am.lodz.pl> Great idea. May I join with very rare Nieuport 28bis? It would be conversion based on BM Nie.28. Nieuport 28bis was Russian modification of very few Nieuport 28 they build in Dux factory. It had rudder and stabilizers taken from Nie.23 and square wing tips. I will build plane captured by Polish troops in Kiev airfield in spring 1920. This one have been repaired in Polish Central Air Wokrshop (CWL) and got German Siemens-Halshke engine and four blade propellor. It was used durring summer campain and Antoni Mroczkowski shot down one Russian plane on 19 September durring battle over Niemen. Two days later this plane was crashed on Lida airbase (near Vilnius). There are picture of this plane which I found in new book "Captured planes of Polish-Bolshevic War 1919-1921". First shows this plane on Kiev with red stars and white circles, second with Polish chessboards taken after Mroczkowski's victory. ;-) -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 12:06:16 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: Shane: I wonder, are they 4 or 5-colour? I though Fokker D.VII's had 4-colour for the most part. Do they have different upper and lower colour schemes? Michael >From: Shane Weier >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Roden Fokker D.VII >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 02:56:41 -0400 (EDT) > >Hi all, > >Finally got this kit (and the MAC Roland) today. > >At a glance, both are terrific. > >The MAC looks for all the world like a new generation Eduard right down to >the colour of the plastic. Both kits feature lovely fine detail, and though >the MAC is cleaner the tiny amount of f lash on the Roden is a non issue. > >The Roden, however, gets my "AT LAST" prize, for the inclusion of 5 colour >lozenge decals which actually look like they could be accurate in colour. I >doubt they closely match anyone elses, but they colours are more convincing >by far than any kit loz I can remember. Plenty good enough for me. > >Great time to be a biscalar modeller! > >Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >********************************************************************** >The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is >intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or >copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to >forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the >MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > >e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au >phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 >********************************************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 05:39:22 +0700 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: Michael asked: "Shane: I wonder, are they 4 or 5-colour? I though Fokker D.VII's had 4-colour for the most part. Do they have different upper and lower colour schemes?" Michael, looking at the pictures of these decals at: http://www.rodenplant.com/HTML/fokkerd7early.htm I think: a) They *are* five colored ones b) upper and lower variants included However: 1. You are right: Most of the D VIIīs had 4 colored lozenge - the exception beiong the early Albatros and *very few" Fokker versions. 2. The Lozenge looks rather bright to me. Especially when compared to those "Silberstreif" replica fabrics, which I still regard as highly authentic. I can however not confirm that as my own Roden kits are still stuck in Malaysian customs... On a *very positive* note, look on how Roden did these decals. Thatīs something NO OTHER manufacturer did until now, but what was maybe the standard practice: The fabric was turned by 180 deg for each consecutive run, that means the "left" side of the run met the next "left side" and so on. That results in a quite remarkable effect - most probably fully intended so - because of the fact that one sight is "lighter" in color than the other. The result is a kind of striping of the whole surface that is sometimes visible on B/W photos as well. So in total I still think Roden did a great job - now PLEASE get those kits through the customs... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:21:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport Cookup uploaded Message-ID: <200107091321.JAA11121@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I'm having a little trouble with that page - images seem broken. Al > Hi all, > The Great Nieuport Cookup has been updated. More to come tomorrow > Check out: http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/otprojects/index.html > Shane =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:35:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport Cookup uploaded Message-ID: <200107091335.JAA11236@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Weird - site just seems slow - nevermind.... > > I'm having a little trouble with that page - images seem broken. > > Al > > > Hi all, > > The Great Nieuport Cookup has been updated. More to come tomorrow > > Check out: http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/otprojects/index.html > > Shane > > =============================================================================== > Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside > University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org > =============================================================================== > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:40:09 -0400 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Re: DECALS Message-ID: <019601c1087c$ad5b6720$0100005a@ptd.net> Tom I like them...the biggest reminder is that each decal has to be cut close to the edge....the film goes over the entire sheet and not just each decal. I also found that you don't need Solvaset or other setting agent. Use some Future after 15 minutes or so and everything will snuggle down just fine. Mike Muth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Plesha" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday,July 08,2001 8:59 PM Subject: DECALS > Hi- > I'm going to use Blue Rider Decals for the crosses on the captured Pup I am > doing. I have never used their decals before. Anyone care to share any > comments about them ? > TIA > Later > Tom > S.E.MI. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:52:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: List Problems? Message-ID: <200107091352.JAA11428@pease1.sr.unh.edu> You probably got bumped - try to re-subscribe? The list bumpe people when their ISP bounces mail back. Al > > Allan > The list has stopped appearing on my machine. Is there a problem with the > list or my subscription to it. > Can you help please. > regards > Andy Jones > > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:56:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuportgatet Message-ID: <200107091356.JAA11487@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Sent it to Shane I think - I don't run the cookups. Al > > Al I just took a semi bogus "in Process" shot of my Revell 1/72 N 17, I'll > send it to you. > Merrill > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:56:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuportgate Message-ID: <200107091356.JAA11500@pease1.sr.unh.edu> It's possible, but he didn't do it. Also nobody can hide from me :-) > I just checked the list and Matt has unsubbed. Unless, Allan is it possible > to not show up on the review list of subscribers. > I also recall a message to the list from Matt saying that he was unsubbing > for the Nats and other "vacationing" until the 12th of July. > > Graham > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:31:53 -0400 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Nieuport Cookup Message-ID: <02b501c10883$e6b2cca0$0100005a@ptd.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02B2_01C10862.5EEA11A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's my contribution: Nieuport 18 bis A very rare Nieuport, but noteworthy for its advancements in = aeronautical design. This was flown by Nungesser for a brief period = during late 1917-1918. A technical report recently released by the Musee = de la Air states that no rigging was necessary on this Nieuport scout = since the extra-heavy dope used to acheive the "golden" wing color acted = as a sufficient strengthener so that no flying wires were necessary. = Apparently, this was not followed up by the Nieuport factory since = Nungesser was the only pilot crazy enough to fly without rigging until = the Fokker machines came around. There is some serious doubt being cast = as to whether Fokker actually was the first to design a plane that = didn't use rigging. Mike Muth...who has a nice 1/72 , unrigged, Nieuport 17 in Nungesser = markings with CDL fuselage and "US NAVY style pre-WWII gold" wings ready = for photographing. ------=_NextPart_000_02B2_01C10862.5EEA11A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here's my = contribution:
 
Nieuport 18 = bis
    A = very rare=20 Nieuport, but noteworthy for its advancements in aeronautical = design.  This=20 was flown by Nungesser for a brief period during late 1917-1918. A = technical=20 report recently released by the Musee de la Air states that no rigging = was=20 necessary on this Nieuport scout since the extra-heavy dope used to = acheive the=20 "golden" wing color acted as a sufficient strengthener so that no flying = wires=20 were necessary. Apparently, this was not followed up by the Nieuport = factory=20 since Nungesser was the only pilot crazy enough to fly without rigging = until the=20 Fokker machines came around. There is some serious doubt being cast as = to=20 whether Fokker actually was the first to design a plane that didn't use=20 rigging.
 
Mike Muth...who has a = nice 1/72 ,=20 unrigged, Nieuport 17 in Nungesser markings with CDL fuselage and "US=20 NAVY style pre-WWII gold" wings ready for=20 photographing.
------=_NextPart_000_02B2_01C10862.5EEA11A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:34:41 -0400 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Re: Putting one over on Bittner Message-ID: <02ba01c10884$4b2c8a40$0100005a@ptd.net> I'm sending my contribution to this again. not sure if the last one was posted. Let me know off list if this appears twice. Thanks Mike Nieuport 18 bis A very rare Nieuport, but noteworthy for its advancements in aeronautical design. This was flown by Nungesser for a brief period during late 1917-1918. A technical report recently released by the Musee de la Air states that no rigging was necessary on this Nieuport scout since the extra-heavy dope used to acheive the "golden" wing color acted as a sufficient strengthener so that no flying wires were necessary. Apparently, this was not followed up by the Nieuport factory since Nungesser was the only pilot crazy enough to fly without rigging until the Fokker machines came around. There is some serious doubt being cast as to whether Fokker actually was the first to design a plane that didn't use rigging. Mike Muth...who has a nice 1/72 , unrigged, Nieuport 17 in Nungesser markings with CDL fuselage and "US NAVY style pre-WWII gold" wings ready for photographing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:54:59 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Congratulations listees! Message-ID: Congratulations to Matt, Lance and Tom for bringing home the metal from the Nats... you make the list proud! Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:59:10 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Blue Rider decals Message-ID: Tom asked: My experience has been that BR decals are excellent... never had a problem with them; they react well to Testor's or Polly-scale decal setting solutions. Cheers, Andrei Andrei Koribanics II 8 Falcon Place Wayne, NJ 07470 USA Voice/Fax: 973-696-9378 email: andreikor@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 10:02:10 -0500 From: "Rick Milas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: >From: "Michael Kendix" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Roden Fokker D.VII >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:11:32 -0400 (EDT) > >Shane: > >I wonder, are they 4 or 5-colour? I though Fokker D.VII's had 4-colour for >the most part. Do they have different upper and lower colour schemes? > >Michael > According to the Fokker DVII Anthology 1, 4 or 5-color depends on when the aircraft was built. Just skimming through the material again, it appears that printed camouflage started on 230/18 with 4-color on the wings and rib tapes made from the same material. Then stating with 240/18 onwards either 4 or 5 color might be used, and sometimes mixed. On the fuselage and tail the streaky paint gave way to lozenge with 377/18. 5-color was used up to the early 400's, then 4-color up to about 7773/18 when 5-color was reintroduced. It's a bit complex, and as I said I just skimmed the material. I sure someone else on the list has a better handel on this than I do. Rick Milas _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:46:42 -0700 From: "Robert Fabris" To: Subject: Newby wanted update Message-ID: <000101c1088f$073f0280$b101510c@default> Gentlemen: Having received a number of enquires about my Newby Wanted message, I am in the process of making up a list of material available in Word. My poblem lies in having to do the whole thing over on this machine as my first computer collapsed and I have absolutely no access to the hard drive. Any one intimately familiar with GoBack? It's the culprit. Bob Fabris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 12:02:14 -0600 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roden Fokker D.VII Message-ID: I just checked with Squadron, and they have the D.VII kits in stock now. They can be yours for $7.96 each plus shipping. Also, it was a real treat and pleasure to meet all of the list members who attended the Nationals. The opportunity to meet and visit with each of you was worth the trip to Chicago. The number of OT kits entered this year was outstanding. I have never seen so many entries in a contest before. Congrats to all of the winners, and those of us who did not place, we now know what we have to do for next year. Start saving your pennies for either Va. Beach next year or Okla. City the following year. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:21:07 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Fwd: Nieuport 28 "Cannon" Message-ID: <90.16da5a29.287b5013@aol.com> --part1_90.16da5a29.287b5013_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_90.16da5a29.287b5013_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: MAnde72343@aol.com Full-name: MAnde72343 Message-ID: <9a.16becf18.287b3f72@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:10:10 EDT Subject: Nieuport 28 "Cannon" To: SDW@qld.mim.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 Shane here's a stab at the N28 cannon fake: Originally developed for the French Navy as a lightweight deck gun for protection against motor torpedo boats, the 47 mm Schneider semi automatic gun, was modified in 1915 and 1916 for use as an antiaircraft gun, further lightened, and higher velocity ammunition produced. In 1917, the French Navy, inspired by British and German experiments, requested that the Schneider gun be further modified for aircraft mounting, to produce an aircraft capable of seriously damaging surface craft and submarines. Aircraft manufacturers were approached to produce the aircraft, but SPADE, pressed for production, and already disappointed by their experience with the SPADE 12, declined. Nieuport, with no contracts for their obsolete designs, jumped at the chance, and produced a Model 28, with the Schneider gun firing through the propeller hub. Although the plane would fly with the gun installed, firing tests conducted on the ground resulted in the failure of all interplane and cabane struts, with the wings falling to the ground. Under pressure from the Navy, Nieuport reinforced the light structure of the 28, and again, the wings fell off when the cannon was fired, a third attempt to reinforce the wing structure was made, resulting in the wings staying on during ground tests, but no flight tests were made, as the modified plane would not leave the ground. Attempts were made to get it to fly, including the installation of experimental Clerget engine designs, but the N 28 Cannon, refused to leave the ground. Eventually stored in a shed at the Marseilles naval base, the N28 'cannon" was used as an expedient anchor, when during a gale in 1919, a French cruiser lost it's anchor at sea, and needed a replacement. --part1_90.16da5a29.287b5013_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 04:30:02 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Nieuport cookup site update Message-ID: <3B49F82A.930333AC@tac.com.au> Hi all, The Nieuport site has been updated with the following: Marc Flake looks at wings Dennis wonders out loud about N.27s in Italian service ;-) Mike Fletcher sends in a picture that should possibly go on the Giants site Please send all submissions to Steve Perry & he'll pass them on to me for uploading as we've been busy updating the SMML site & relocating/updating the APMA site. Speaking of which, new OT content has been uploaded to the SMML site: http://smmlonline.com in the form of a review of the AH dreadnaught SMS Szent Istvan & new book review dealing with Aussie destroyers which cover OT destroyers ;-). Shane ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3510 **********************