WWI Digest 3508 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) =?iso-8859-1?Q?something_from_the_Nat=B4s?= by Volker Haeusler 2) The Nie cook-up by "Tom Plesha" 3) IPMS Nationals update: by Robert Horton 4) Nieuport Cookup uploaded by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 5) RE: Putting one over on Bittner by Marc Flake 6) Re: The Nie cook-up by "David C. Fletcher" 7) Re: mac voting by Todd Hayes 8) Re: The Nie cook-up by Todd Hayes 9) Quiet by "Tom Plesha" 10) RE: Putting one over on Bittner by Shane Weier 11) Re: Quiet by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 12) Re: Putting one over on Bittner by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 13) Re: Putting one over on Bittner by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 14) Welcome Back Rick by Andreikor@aol.com 15) RE: Putting one over on Bittner by Todd Hayes 16) Gotha Gunners' Postions by Todd Hayes 17) Re: Quiet by ibs4421@commandnet.net 18) Re: Quiet by ibs4421@commandnet.net 19) Re: Quiet by "Steven Perry" 20) Re: Quiet by ibs4421@commandnet.net 21) Lyn Macdonald's books (was Re: Quiet) by "Bob Pearson" 22) Re: Gotha Gunners' Postions by "Hans Trauner" 23) Re: Quiet by "Pedro Soares" 24) Strutter was Re: Quiet by "Pedro Soares" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:51:50 +0700 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?something_from_the_Nat=B4s?= Message-ID: Just had a look at http://www.chromaconcepts.com/nats2001/aircraft_1/index.htm where there are some 45 pics from Chicago. Second to last is a beautiful Phoenix C I in "Autumn Leave" camo... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:34:05 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: The Nie cook-up Message-ID: <000701c10702$a3a96040$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi Shane- FWIW, The Imperial Russian Air Service book by FMP, has a section on Dux (I mis-spelt it as Duk before) built aircraft, inclusive of a number of various Nie produced and in what quantities and years! Later Tom S.E.MI. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 12:04:41 -0500 From: Robert Horton To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: IPMS Nationals update: Message-ID: <3B474128.15A02123@netexpress.net> Hi gang: You guys are rotten to the core...picking on old Nieuport Matt like this....love-it. We went up to the big-do in Chicago for a one-dayer yesterday and helped Greg put on his presentation. It went off first class as is usual when Greg is doing his thing. We had a rather smallish room and he filled it. There was a very nice representation of WWI net attendees and among the ones that I knew or recognized was our own Mattness; Eli Gehar from Huntsville, Ala,; Madame Karen; and at least three other guys that had on the wwi buttons and I couldn't get over to meet. I know there were others around the convention site that are also listees that didn't get to Greg's presentation. In the contest were some fantastic old things with funny paint schemes and various and assorted rag wings...WW I stuff is getting more and more attention. Althought this was earlier Friday and more things were coming in to be entered; I saw nothing in the way of our period of armor, vehicles or figures or sadly, sniff-sniff-artillery.. This observation has to be tempered with the statement that this is the result of a fairly speedy trip throught the contest area. I am anxious to talk to Glen later Monday to see what won what. By about supper time Friday our old Army-Armor tread head was beginning to look a little weak in the getty-up, it had been a long week. The Chicago boys have done a very good job of putting this show on and it is going to be a tough act to follow....talk to you guys later...Bob Horton ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 03:35:08 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Nieuport Cookup uploaded Message-ID: <3B47484C.43043573@tac.com.au> Hi all, The Great Nieuport Cookup has been updated. More to come tomorrow Check out: http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/otprojects/index.html Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 12:27:14 -0500 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Putting one over on Bittner Message-ID: <3B474672.E4C@airmail.net> Shane: How about something to do with the steering wheel of the SPAD 12? Maybe it could have five spokes in the shape of a star, and instead of a "U" shaped column, an "X" shape that barely clears the top of the cannon breech. Just a thought. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 11:17:51 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The Nie cook-up Message-ID: <3B47524F.20504@mars.ark.com> A word of caution here, troops. Spoofs have a way of working themselves into the common database. Some years ago, IPMS Canada had an article on the (ot ALERT!) Si 204 and tossed in one in Royal Canadian Navy markings for fun and "Canadian content". Apart from one dedicated Canadian-subject modeller of my acquaintance rushing out to buy the kit, in the last year or so Flugzeug ran the same profile, now nicely coloured, as a genuine example. Now I'll go back to my drawings of the Nie.69 with an inverted rudder and the smaller wings on the top (inverted sesquiplane)... Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 11:57:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: mac voting Message-ID: <20010707185759.12027.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Pedro, HR Models has just released a 1:72 Hansa-Brandenburg C.1, and they have a 1:72 Caudron G.III too. I don't know about the quality. If they have to be injection, you're probably in for a long wait. Todd --- Pedro Soares wrote: > Guys, > > don't know about this voting, but Michal was having > subscription probles and > asked me to send his vote: > > > > " > 1) Hansa-Brandenburg C.1 > no reasonable injection kit to date, > important aeroplane, kits of > various series possible > 2) Morane L (french, russian, Pfalz E.III, A1,A2 > ) > could be marketed in at least four or five > versions > 3) Aviatik BII/CII and early SAML biplanes > 4) Cauldron G.III ( with floats too, please) > > > Thanks > > Pedro > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:47:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The Nie cook-up Message-ID: <20010707194721.9600.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Too bad there isn't some way of faking a squadron lineup of operational Nie. Triplanes. Say, from les Cigognes. Todd --- "David C. Fletcher" wrote: > A word of caution here, troops. Spoofs have a way > of working themselves > into the common database. Some years ago, IPMS > Canada had an article on > the (ot ALERT!) Si 204 and tossed in one in Royal > Canadian Navy markings > for fun and "Canadian content". Apart from one > dedicated > Canadian-subject modeller of my acquaintance rushing > out to buy the kit, > in the last year or so Flugzeug ran the same > profile, now nicely > coloured, as a genuine example. > > Now I'll go back to my drawings of the Nie.69 with > an inverted rudder > and the smaller wings on the top (inverted > sesquiplane)... > > > Dave Fletcher > -- > Visit us at our Home Page: > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:21:36 -0400 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Quiet Message-ID: <000701c10733$2fd06e80$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> WOW, Is it ever quiet. Later Tom S.E.MI. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:19:53 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Putting one over on Bittner Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD20C@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Marc suggests: > How about something to do with the steering wheel of the SPAD > 12? Maybe > it could have five spokes in the shape of a star, and instead of a "U" > shaped column, an "X" shape that barely clears the top of the cannon > breech. Just a thought. This is a really good idea - but how do I manage to get it into a book about Nieuports? ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 09:28:09 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Quiet Message-ID: <3B479B09.F405BC97@tac.com.au> Tom Plesha wrote: > > WOW, > Is it ever quiet. > Later > Tom > S.E.MI. Obviously everyone's off building Nieuports ;-) Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 19:53:58 -0400 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Putting one over on Bittner Message-ID: <3B47A115.1BB2D366@mars.ark.com> > I propose to reveal that the book has clear photos (previously unknown) of > some subject near and dear to Matties little 1/72 heart but about which > there's no real evidence. Ideas anyone? The book is from Docavia...written by France's premier Nieuport experts - Les Avions Nieuports. It is so expensive and and impossible to find that I haven't got a copy yet. Nieuports 22, 26 (or maybe Nieuport 17 with a Fokker D.VII-like wing) > I propose to disprove at least one dearly held Bittner theory (perhaps I'll > hae to offend our other Niueportophiles by relating the discovery of proof > that the wing sweep of the Toko Nie is precisely correct or something) > Ideas anyone? Maybe it is~ > I'm also going to suggest that the authors have access to real fabric, > recently discovered in an ex-USSR archive with the new photos, and that it > categorically proves - what? - something that'll stand his hair on end? Pink fabric? Mike F. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 19:55:08 -0400 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Putting one over on Bittner Message-ID: <3B47A15C.83836FC1@mars.ark.com> You'll probvably want to change N.11 to being RNAS as the RFC didn't get any. Mike F. Steven Perry wrote: > > > Whilst were on this subject we really should have a Red Army training > > version Nieuport 17 that will drive him crazy!! > > I have a white Russian Nie. > sp > > BTW > Y'all check out the Nieuport cookup site > > http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sperry03/nieuport%20cookup.htm > > I added two items which came in and will continue to add links. I'm gonna > keep it real simple. Matt can just read down the list when he sees it. > sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:01:55 EDT From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Welcome Back Rick Message-ID: <11d.1584047.2878fcf3@aol.com> Welcome Rick, Glad you enjoyed the show and met a couple of the folk... chime in sometime! Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 17:11:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Putting one over on Bittner Message-ID: <20010708001150.31426.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> How about a Nieuport IV? Todd --- Volker Haeusler wrote: > Shane, > > "I propose to reveal that the book has clear photos > (previously unknown) of > some subject near and dear to Matties little 1/72 > heart but about which > there's no real evidence. Ideas anyone? > > I propose to disprove at least one dearly held > Bittner theory (perhaps I'll > hae to offend our other Niueportophiles by relating > the discovery of proof > that the wing sweep of the Toko Nie is precisely > correct or something) > Ideas anyone?" > > What about NungesserŽs famous Nie 25 being light > blue and not aluminum > (found in those newly discovered Nieuport files in > the Direction de lŽArmee > dŽAir archives)? > > "I'm also going to suggest that the authors have > access to real fabric, > recently discovered in an ex-USSR archive with the > new photos, and that it > categorically proves - what? - something that'll > stand his hair on end? > > Mmmmmm. Perhaps we need a review by an Eastern > European listee like Tomasz > of the newly (surprise) released Eduard 1/72 Nie 17 > ?" > > DonŽt forget: those 5 test shots of that kit that we > will receive have > unfortunately already been distributed - Tomasz > building a Polish Nieuport, > Dennis an American, Hans the Baeumer captured > version, Marcio the Brasilian > one and Bucky (still alive over there?) a Japanese > one. > > Well, the series anyway will be available in 2002... > > Volker > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:08:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Gotha Gunners' Postions Message-ID: <20010708010815.60366.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I have the CSM Gotha but I don't yet have the DFSpecial. Do one of you extremely knowledgeable, Gotha saavy listees know if the G.III had it's gunrings left a natural wood color or if they were painted, and what color? Gray? Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:25:53 -0500 From: ibs4421@commandnet.net To: Subject: Re: Quiet Message-ID: <001d01c1075d$b261ee80$853dfad1@esther> OK folks, Since it's so quiet, I'll open my mouth and make some noise. Long ago, and far away, I purchased one of the Pegasus sopwith 1 1/2 Strutters. I will be sure and get some of those that are coming out of Estern Europe, etc. now. I have a good and dear friend who is a fairly advanced militaria collector, and his emphasis is on the North Russia Expedition. He made me aware some time back that the 339th Inf. (his uncle was there with that unit) shot down one a/c, a Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter. IIRC, I remember seeing some decals in 1/72nd scale for one of these a/c in Russian service. Does anybody remember who made them? I had it in mind to build up a 1/72nd scale model of the a/c that the 339th boys shot down, and present it to my friend. He knows the fellow who has the original piece of the tail that the boys cut out after downing it, and he has vowed that one day he will have it. i thought a decent model of the downed a/c might be a nice gesture. I too think that areoplanes of the RCW are an interesting and unique subject. Any help, advice, kind words, etc. are most appreciated. TIA. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:33:13 -0500 From: ibs4421@commandnet.net To: Subject: Re: Quiet Message-ID: <002101c1075e$b8b56360$853dfad1@esther> All Righty Then! Here's another to break the silence. A few years back, I obtained the book "1915: The Death of Innocence" by Lyn Macdonald. I really enjoyed this book, and liked the style that the author wrote it in, i.e.: the story of the average bloke in the trenches, etc. It seems I remember reading that she was going to write a book dealing with each year of the war or something like that. Unfortunately, I have not seen anything like that since from her. A not unusual occurance this side of the pond. Have any list members read anything by her? Have any of you seen any books by her along this theme? Just to make sure it stays OT, I know that this list deals 99% in aeroplanes, but I was wondering how many of ya'll modeled armor, vehicles, and figures in 54mm, 1/35th, or 1/32nd scale? Is there a distributor for Scale Link figures here in the USA? I know VLS used to stock them a long time back. Are there anyother brands figures in this scale? What about figures or vehicles in other scales? (Aside from the old Airfix figs. and their knock-offs.) Warren ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:45:41 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Quiet Message-ID: <000901c10760$75f91ec0$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com> Warren Blue Rider makes a set of Russian decals that covers a Strutter or two. I have an extra set in 1/72. LMK if you can use them sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:56:25 -0500 From: ibs4421@commandnet.net To: Subject: Re: Quiet Message-ID: <003801c10761$f62ab260$853dfad1@esther> Steve, I sure can use them! LMK how much you need for them, and I'll fire you a check off for them. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Perry" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 10:46 PM Subject: Re: Quiet > Warren > > Blue Rider makes a set of Russian decals that covers a Strutter or two. I > have an extra set in 1/72. LMK if you can use them > sp > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:32:50 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Lyn Macdonald's books (was Re: Quiet) Message-ID: <200107080428.f684SnE48089@mail.rapidnet.net> Lyn Macdonald is one of my favourite WW1 authors .. books by her in my collection include 1914 1915 Somme They Called it Passchendaele Roses of No Man's Land (nurses in WW1) All are written in the same style with extensive use being made of personal recollections. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 11:37:45 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Gotha Gunners' Postions Message-ID: <003301c10791$a4b40c80$8caa72d4@FRITZweb> Todd, to all my knowledge the G.III did not have wooden, but metal gun rings. Therefore I would opt for dark grey colours. Ray Rimell did this also, f.e. in the back cover of the last Windsock. Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Hayes" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 3:13 AM Subject: Gotha Gunners' Postions > Hi all, > > I have the CSM Gotha but I don't yet have the > DFSpecial. Do one of you extremely knowledgeable, > Gotha saavy listees know if the G.III had it's > gunrings left a natural wood color or if they were > painted, and what color? Gray? > > Todd > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 11:20:04 +0100 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Quiet Message-ID: <06d401c10797$8ee34640$10090dd5@pc1> Warren, Lyn MacDonald has put out quite a number of books: 1914, 1915. They called it Passchendaele, Somme, 1918 and some others I've only read They called it Passchendaele and Somme, but I enjoyed them a lot. Others in The List, have said good things about Lyn, notably Bob Pearson, who said he has her entire works and has read each book at least twice. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 11:24:19 +0100 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Strutter was Re: Quiet Message-ID: <06e401c10798$26c2ab40$10090dd5@pc1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 4:31 AM Subject: Re: Quiet > OK folks, I will be sure and get some of those that are coming out of > Estern Europe, etc. now. Warren, Just be careful with the centre struts. You'll have to break the W into \ (inverted V) / and glue each piece at a time. There's no way the Ws will fit has they come in the kit and this is valid both for the Flashback and the Toko. IIRC there was a review of both kits in IM Pedro. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3508 **********************