WWI Digest 3506

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Nieuport Cookup Fakeout
	by Michael and Sharon Alvarado <sm5192@verizon.net>
  2) Re: Ref Putting one over...
	by Dennis Ugulano <Uggies@compuserve.com>
  3) Re:Putting One Over On Bittner
	by pugs99@att.net

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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 17:04:09 -0400
From: Michael and Sharon Alvarado <sm5192@verizon.net>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Nieuport Cookup Fakeout
Message-ID: <3B4627C8.22E42E9E@verizon.net>

There is an Eduard 1/48 scale Nieuport 17 (uncaptioned) on my models page in the
wwi-models gallery you can use.  One of these days I'll send Allan some captions
for those photographs which incidentally were taken with Cam Riley's digital
camera and submitted to the list by him.  When I stop being so lazy I will scan
photos I took of some of my other models and will submit them to the list.

Alvie

Andreikor@aol.com wrote:

> Steve wrote:
> <In a chat with Shane & Lorna,  Diego and myself, we decided to put up a Fake
> Nieuport Cookup page while Matt is away at the Nats. We are going to tell
> him he missed the cookup.
>
> What we need is a few photos of Nieuports (preferably 1/48). If you have
> such photos and would like to help us put one over on Matt, send them to me
> Off List. If so inclined, include a paragraph of text. Write it in a way
> sure to get a rise out of Matt.>
>
> That's too funny! I'll see what I can dig up!
> Cheers,
> Andrei


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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:02:41 -0400
From: Dennis Ugulano <Uggies@compuserve.com>
To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Ref Putting one over...
Message-ID: <200107061803_MC3-D854-5598@compuserve.com>

sp,

        Thanks for coordinating the Nieuport Cook off.  I really appreciate
your hard work and the opportunity to participate. I hope this cook off
will be as successful as the last.  I will send my photos and text off
list.

        Thanks again.

Dennis Ugulano
email:  Uggies@compuserve.com
http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm
Page Revised 6/28/01
"Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism."

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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 22:10:24 +0000
From: pugs99@att.net
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re:Putting One Over On Bittner
Message-ID: <20010706221025.YJDO3707.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>

Hi Steve,
Don't forget, it is exclusively 1/48th SCALE as well!!!!

Regards,
John Impenna
> 			    WWI Digest 3504
> 
> Topics covered in this issue include:
> 
>   1) french aviation
> 	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
>   2) Re: what's happening on the trenches?
> 	by "Hans Trauner" <hans.trauner@nefkom.net>
>   3) Aeroclub
> 	by "Nigel Rayner" <nigel@rosnar.demon.co.uk>
>   4) Re: What Do You Think About the Blue Max LVG C.VI?
> 	by "Hans Trauner" <hans.trauner@nefkom.net>
>   5) Re: Aeroclub
> 	by David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
>   6) Re: french aviation
> 	by David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
>   7) RE: french aviation
> 	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
>   8) Sopwith Baby rudder controls
> 	by "Sanjeev Hirve" <shirve@evincible.com>
>   9) Talkin' orstralian and a question
> 	by "David" <mannock@iprimus.com.au>
>  10) Re: Tiger moth was:  Lawrence of Arabia Trivia Qn
> 	by Mark Miller <albatros1212@altavista.com>
>  11) RE: Talkin' orstralian and a question
> 	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
>  12) AEG help needed
> 	by "Steven Perry" <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
>  13) washes was: Re: Talkin' orstralian and a question
> 	by "Steven Perry" <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
>  14) Re: More on 4D
> 	by "Limon3" <Limon3@msn.com>
>  15) 7 Swabians (was RE: More on 4D)
> 	by "Marcio Antonio Campos" <marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
>  16) Re: Tiger moth was:  Lawrence of Arabia Trivia Qn
> 	by "Hans Trauner" <hans.trauner@nefkom.net>
>  17) Precision enterprise
> 	by "Sanjeev Hirve" <shirve@evincible.com>
>  18) RE: Sopwith Baby rudder controls
> 	by "Graham Hunter" <mbpw0220@mts.net>
>  19) Wings newsletter
> 	by "Harris, Mack" <MackH@Health.State.OK.US>
>  20) 2003 Nats was RE: 2002 Nats
> 	by "Harris, Mack" <MackH@Health.State.OK.US>
>  21) Re: AEG help needed/again
> 	by "Tom Plesha" <plesha3@home.com>
>  22) Re: 7 Swabians (was RE: More on 4D)
> 	by "Limon3" <Limon3@msn.com>
>  23) RE: More on 4D
> 	by "Jay M. Thompson" <vossie@mindspring.com>
>  24) Raben's Ravens
> 	by Allan Wright <aew>
>  25) RE: Raben's Ravens
> 	by "Marcio Antonio Campos" <marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
>  26) Putting one over on Bittner
> 	by "Steven Perry" <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
>  27) RE: Philippe's Models
> 	by "Gaston Graf" <ggraf@vo.lu>
>  28) Re: Raben's Ravens
> 	by Allan Wright <aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:44:33 -0300
> From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
> To: "ww1 list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: french aviation
> Message-ID: <003001c1062a$2c1ee5a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>
> 
> Ahhh! Poor Matt and Neil! They're out of town and they will iss this
> message!
> Check french planes at
> http://www.histoire.org/asso14-18/exposition/aviation/aviation-gb.htm
> 
> D.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:43:45 +0200
> From: "Hans Trauner" <hans.trauner@nefkom.net>
> To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: Re: what's happening on the trenches?
> Message-ID: <002401c1062a$1127d220$f4a072d4@FRITZweb>
> 
> Sanjeev,
> zumindest besser als mein franzoesisch!
> 
> Better as my french, at last!
> 
> Hans
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sanjeev Hirve" <shirve@evincible.com>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:58 PM
> Subject: Re: what's happening on the trenches?
> 
> 
> > Oui, messieurs und Herren (et cetera...)
> >   en Belgique dit-on nonante-huit,
> >   en France, dit-on quatre-vingt-dix-neuf!
> >   und im deutsch, sagt man acht und neunzig!.
> >   Incidentally, many Indian languages such as hindi have the same reversal
> > of digits as german (ie, we say eight and ninty for 98)
> > (I hope my school german is not totally rusty)
> > regards
> > SSH
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:47:51 +0100
> From: "Nigel Rayner" <nigel@rosnar.demon.co.uk>
> To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: Aeroclub
> Message-ID: <000101c1062a$a1ac47e0$983bedc1@w1o0t3>
> 
> Hi gang,
> 
> Anyone been able to find an Aeroclub website? There used to be one at
> www.aeroclubmodels.co.uk, but it's not at that url any more. None of my
> search engines find a site for them. Anyone got any ideas?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Nigel
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:52:37 +0200
> From: "Hans Trauner" <hans.trauner@nefkom.net>
> To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: Re: What Do You Think About the Blue Max LVG C.VI?
> Message-ID: <005d01c1062b$4c9e7ce0$f4a072d4@FRITZweb>
> 
> I received mine three days ago and exact the same feelings plus the struts
> problem already discussed.
> But I feel the BM is doing his same business as ever. A generic PE fret for
> the guns may be a small step for him, but a giant leap for us. If he'd ask a
> czech or polish manufacturer for that I am sure it would not rise the price
> too much.
> 
> Hans
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Todd Hayes" <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 7:27 AM
> Subject: What Do You Think About the Blue Max LVG C.VI?
> 
> 
> > I received this kit today.  I'm glad to have an LVG
> > finally, but I have mixed feelings about it.  The
> > engine and guns need to be replaced IMO.  The engine
> > lacks detail as do the spandau and parabellum.  The
> > flying surfaces have thickish te's.  No BM ripple in
> > my copy.  The wht. metal parts are very nice except
> > for the guns.  They simply have little or no detail
> > (like the Halb. CL.II).  I wish the engine covers were
> > molded separately, even though removing them, as
> > suggested, shouldn't be too difficult.  The LVG should
> > look nice built, that is after replacing the guns with
> > the CSM versions and the addition of a Digmayer prop
> > and gunring. Perhaps CSM or Americals loz.  And in
> > case anyone gets me wrong, I enjoy BM kits in general
> > (the DH2 and SE5a are two of favorites by any
> > manufacturer.  For $34 I couldn't complain too much
> > anyway.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail
> > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 15:50:24 +0100
> From: David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
> To: wwi@wwi-models.org
> Subject: Re: Aeroclub
> Message-ID: <3B45D030.9F6BA04B@dial.pipex.com>
> 
> Nigel Rayner wrote:
> 
> > Hi gang,
> >
> > Anyone been able to find an Aeroclub website? There used to be one at
> > www.aeroclubmodels.co.uk, but it's not at that url any more. None of my
> > search engines find a site for them. Anyone got any ideas?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> 
> You read Hyperscale as well Nigel ? Either that, or my week is full of
> strange co-incidences !! The old site seems to be  a hosting co now. They
> have an email address at:
> 
> aeromail @compuserve.com
> 
> You could try them. Mind and let us know how you get on !!
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 15:55:33 +0100
> From: David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
> To: wwi@wwi-models.org
> Subject: Re: french aviation
> Message-ID: <3B45D165.BC8851B1@dial.pipex.com>
> 
> dfernet0 wrote:
> 
> > Ahhh! Poor Matt and Neil! They're out of town and they will iss this
> > message!
> > Check french planes at
> > http://www.histoire.org/asso14-18/exposition/aviation/aviation-gb.htm
> >
> > D.
> 
> Now, Matt would know, but is this a 'P' or an 'LA' ? (You were asking
> weren't you Diego ?)
> 
> http://www.histoire.org/asso14-18/exposition/aviation/parasol.jpg
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:24:21 -0300
> From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
> To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: RE: french aviation
> Message-ID: <004501c1062f$bb7ac7a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>
> 
> Pour moi, c'est un "P" :-) Mais je peut être confondu!
> D.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: french aviation
> 
> 
> > dfernet0 wrote:
> >
> > > Ahhh! Poor Matt and Neil! They're out of town and they will iss this
> > > message!
> > > Check french planes at
> > > http://www.histoire.org/asso14-18/exposition/aviation/aviation-gb.htm
> > >
> > > D.
> >
> > Now, Matt would know, but is this a 'P' or an 'LA' ? (You were asking
> > weren't you Diego ?)
> >
> > http://www.histoire.org/asso14-18/exposition/aviation/parasol.jpg
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:26:16 -0400
> From: "Sanjeev Hirve" <shirve@evincible.com>
> To: "wwi-list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: Sopwith Baby rudder controls
> Message-ID: <009701c10630$013434c0$0800010a@cyberelan.com>
> 
> Knut,
>    Since you are restoring a real Sopwith Baby, maybe you can answer this
> question.
> The rear float has a rudder.  It appears that the rudder is controlled by a
> separate pair of control cables from the "air" rudder.  I assume that both
> rudders are controlled by the same rudder-pedals.  My question is: do both
> the rudders deflect by the same amount?  In other words, when the tail
> rudder is deflected 10 degrees to port, is the float rudder deflected to
> same angle?
> This is not important for the model I am building, but I was simply curious
> about the mechanics.
> regards
> SSH
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 01:23:18 +1000
> From: "David" <mannock@iprimus.com.au>
> To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: Talkin' orstralian and a question
> Message-ID: <002501c1062f$961d0b80$1b7132d2@mannock>
> 
> Hi All;
> 
> People can't understand Aussie accents? They must be attempting to
> communicate with our brethren from the "Deep North". Us folks down in
> Melbourne all speak perfect English : ))  Still I'm used to communicating
> with a bunch of Cornish relations (aaar).
> 
> A quick OT question - I'm trying to do a chalk wash to bring out detail on
> my current build - using a mixture of ground chalk pastel, water, and
> dishwashing liquid - but it doesn't seem to want to stay in the panel lines
> when I use a barely damp tissue to wipe it off. Any suggestions as what I'm
> doing wrong?
> 
> All the best
> 
> Neil E. (Mel-bourne)
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: 6 Jul 2001 08:25:34 -0700
> From: Mark Miller <albatros1212@altavista.com>
> To: wwi@wwi-models.org
> Subject: Re: Tiger moth was:  Lawrence of Arabia Trivia Qn
> Message-ID: <20010706152534.11554.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net>
> 
> On Fri, 06 July 2001, "Hans Trauner" wrote:
> 
> "No, Mark. A Moth has two wings, so it is only Ot."
> 
> Actualy you might consider it entirly OT if your only source of WW1 AC info is 
> the Movies. In fact you might think it the ONLY WW1 ac
> 
> I haven't looked at that Matchbox kit in quite while
> But it's one of those kits that I always put off because I would want to go nuts 
> detailing it.
> so back in the closet it goes to wait for a time when I'm feeling more 
> ambitious.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping!
> http://www.shopping.altavista.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:38:38 -0300
> From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
> To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: RE: Talkin' orstralian and a question
> Message-ID: <005501c10631$ba290860$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>
> 
> > A quick OT question - I'm trying to do a chalk wash to bring out detail on
> > my current build - using a mixture of ground chalk pastel, water, and
> > dishwashing liquid - but it doesn't seem to want to stay in the panel
> lines
> > when I use a barely damp tissue to wipe it off. Any suggestions as what
> I'm
> > doing wrong?
> 
> Probably you need to let the wash to stay a little bit longer over the model
> and keep the tissue a little bit drier. I guess that the absorption
> qualities of the tissue "sucks" the wash inside the panels lines by
> capillarity.
> Just an idea
> D.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:37:24 -0400
> From: "Steven Perry" <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: AEG help needed
> Message-ID: <00bd01c10631$8e22e420$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com>
> 
> Anyone have a sketch or drawing that shows the steel tube framework of the
> AEG G.IV fuselage?
> 
> TIA
> sp
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:49:00 -0400
> From: "Steven Perry" <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: washes was: Re: Talkin' orstralian and a question
> Message-ID: <00c701c10633$2c9a6820$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com>
> 
> > A quick OT question - I'm trying to do a chalk wash to bring out detail on
> > my current build - using a mixture of ground chalk pastel, water, and
> > dishwashing liquid - but it doesn't seem to want to stay in the panel
> lines
> > when I use a barely damp tissue to wipe it off. Any suggestions as what
> I'm
> > doing wrong?
> 
> Neil
> You didn't say what finish was on the model when you applied the washes.
> (gloss or flat).
> 
> I found that with gloss finishes, washes tend to dissappear from the panel
> lines as well as the surface when wiped. The gloss is great if you want to
> wipe it off the surface, but it also makes it hard to keep it in the panel
> lines. I found that scribing the panel line with a sharp blade will break
> the gloss coat and allow the wash to stay in the lines. I use a scribing
> tool to scribe the gloss in the hinge lines as this breaks up a wider line.
> 
> Wiping at a right angle to the line also tends to leave more wash in the
> line than wiping in the direction of the line.
> 
> hth
> sp
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 08:56:30 -0700
> From: "Limon3" <Limon3@msn.com>
> To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: Re: More on 4D
> Message-ID: <00dd01c10634$39df8320$a4f7303f@i7e2z6>
> 
> Hi Marcio,
> The 7 Swabs was an OAW (Albatros) built machine, it has very different cowl
> panels from the Fokker built aircraft.
> Gabe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marcio Antonio Campos <marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 5:41 AM
> Subject: RE: More on 4D
> 
> 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf
> > > Of John &
> > > Allison Cyganowski
> > > Subject: More on 4D
> > >
> > > Hi-
> > >
> > > The PD decal sheet calls out von Beaulieu-Marconnay's ship as an early
> > > Fokker built aircraft. The picture I have of vB-M shows him
> > > standing in
> > > front of a D.VII that appears to have the early Fokker cowls
> > > except it looks
> > > like a faring was added to one of those triangular shaped
> > > access ports.
> >
> > Good news... I want to build Beaulieu-Marconnay's plane in the future - a
> > good reason to buy the new Roden D.VII - and I was asking myself whether
> his
> > plane was an early or late machine.
> >
> > I want also to build the famous "7 Swabians", was this one an early or
> late
> > D.VII?
> >
> > Best regards from Brazil
> >
> > Marcio Antonio Campos
> > Redator do GuiaSP
> > StarMedia do Brasil
> > marcio.campos@starmedia.net <mailto:marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
> > http://www.guiasp.com.br
> > http://www.guiarj.com.br
> > http://www.nacidade.com.br
> >
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:58:46 -0300
> From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" <marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
> To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: 7 Swabians (was RE: More on 4D)
> Message-ID: <000801c10634$8b698920$401ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com>
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf
> > Of Limon3
> > Subject: Re: More on 4D
> >
> > Hi Marcio,
> > The 7 Swabs was an OAW (Albatros) built machine, it has very
> > different cowl
> > panels from the Fokker built aircraft.
> > Gabe
> 
> So I must wait a bit more, right? Roden has the OAW Fokker among its future
> releases, IIRC.
> 
> With best regards from Brazil
> 
> Marcio Antonio Campos
> Redator do GuiaSP
> StarMedia do Brasil
> marcio.campos@starmedia.net <mailto:marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
> http://www.guiasp.com.br
> http://www.guiarj.com.br
> http://www.nacidade.com.br
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:58:55 +0200
> From: "Hans Trauner" <hans.trauner@nefkom.net>
> To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: Re: Tiger moth was:  Lawrence of Arabia Trivia Qn
> Message-ID: <000d01c10634$8fe80c60$78ab72d4@FRITZweb>
> 
> Mark, consider the Tiger as a serious anti AMS pill! It's easy to built and
> quite a good kit. We enjoyed it very much, simply judging a fantasy civil
> registration cut from the float decal version and painting it in a
> red/silver scheme. After that my brother did a full weathering and shadowing
> job and included fully painted pilot and trainee. That's modelling, boys! No
> nitpicking research, no 'how-can-I-manage-it' and other excuses not to start
> a model. ( Happens one time in five years to me...)
> Hans
> 
> 
> > But it's one of those kits that I always put off because I would want to
> go nuts detailing it.
> > so back in the closet it goes to wait for a time when I'm feeling more
> ambitious.
> >
> > Mark
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:45:13 -0400
> From: "Sanjeev Hirve" <shirve@evincible.com>
> To: "wwi-list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: Precision enterprise
> Message-ID: <009d01c1063b$07a36370$0800010a@cyberelan.com>
> 
> Hi,
>    I have been trying without success to contact Precision Enterprise (at
> 802-885-3094) for the past week or so, about an overdue order.
> Does anybody know whats happening.
> regards
> SSH
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:49:51 -0500
> From: "Graham Hunter" <mbpw0220@mts.net>
> To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: RE: Sopwith Baby rudder controls
> Message-ID: <000501c1063b$ada20c40$fa0101c0@grahamh>
> 
> 
> <The rear float has a rudder.  It appears that the rudder is <controlled by
> a separate pair of control cables from the "air" <rudder.  I assume that
> both rudders are controlled by the same <rudder-pedals.  My question is: do
> both the rudders deflect by the <same amount?  In other words, when the tail
> rudder is deflected 10 <degrees to port, is the float rudder deflected to
> same angle?
> 
> I believe that the float rudder would not deflect as much as the rudder.
> Other Sopwiths had this feature with the tail skids (Triplane, Pup,
> Strutter) and I'm pretty sure the tail skids did not have the same travel as
> the rudder. And yes they are controlled by the rudder bar.
> 
> my 2 cents, Graham
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:00:50 -0500 
> From: "Harris, Mack" <MackH@Health.State.OK.US>
> To: "'World War I'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: Wings newsletter
> Message-ID: 
> <E163A98BC3D0D2119CAA0000832180C2086CB89A@exchange6.health.state.ok.us>
> 
> Has anyone else seen the newsletter "Wings"?
> To subscribe go to wings@fokker-team-schorndorf.de
> <mailto:wings@fokker-team-schorndorf.de> 
> It is put out by Fokker-Team-Schorndorf.  The current issue (ISSUE #3, 8th
> of July 2001) has an article on how to make your own 1 to 1 scale propeller.
> It's very interesting.
> Mack Harris
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:02:05 -0500 
> From: "Harris, Mack" <MackH@Health.State.OK.US>
> To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: 2003 Nats was RE: 2002 Nats
> Message-ID: 
> <E163A98BC3D0D2119CAA0000832180C2086CB89B@exchange6.health.state.ok.us>
> 
> And hopefully the 2003 will be here in Oklahoma City, yahoo!
> Mack Harris
> 
> 
> 		-----Original Message-----
> 		From:	Andreikor@aol.com [mailto:Andreikor@aol.com]
> 		Sent:	Friday, July 06, 2001 2:10 AM
> 		To:	Multiple recipients of list
> 		Subject:	2002 Nats
> 
> 		Warren wrote:
> 		<<             Same here!  Same old thing go to work, etc.,
> BUT I'm having a
> 		blast learning from all of ya'll. >>
> 
> 		Stick around Warren...
> 		We'll get 'em next year in Virginia Beach ;)
> 		Cheers,
> 		Andrei
> 
> 
> 
> 		Andrei Koribanics II
> 		8 Falcon Place
> 		Wayne, NJ 07470
> 		USA
> 		Voice/Fax: 973-696-9378
> 		email: andreikor@aol.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:08:14 -0400
> From: "Tom Plesha" <plesha3@home.com>
> To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: Re: AEG help needed/again
> Message-ID: <000501c1063e$3e617d40$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com>
> 
> Hi Steven-
> I'll check later this afternoon, I have a decent set of references, since
> thats probably my next build.
> Later
> Tom
> S.E.MI.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven Perry" <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:39 AM
> Subject: AEG help needed
> 
> 
> > Anyone have a sketch or drawing that shows the steel tube framework of the
> > AEG G.IV fuselage?
> >
> > TIA
> > sp
> >
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:15:49 -0700
> From: "Limon3" <Limon3@msn.com>
> To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: Re: 7 Swabians (was RE: More on 4D)
> Message-ID: <000701c10636$ecd88ce0$a4f7303f@i7e2z6>
> 
> Yes, it seems that way, but on the upside Roden seems to be bringing out
> models at a fast pace.  I wish that DML would reissue the DVII with OAW
> panels as well in 1/48 (old guy eyes!), since there are many fascinating
> schemes for that version of the plane.
> Regards from the Hot Golden State,
> 
> Gabe
> 
> n.b. OAW Albi, Grasshof's DIII Albi
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marcio Antonio Campos <marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:00 AM
> Subject: 7 Swabians (was RE: More on 4D)
> 
> 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf
> > > Of Limon3
> > > Subject: Re: More on 4D
> > >
> > > Hi Marcio,
> > > The 7 Swabs was an OAW (Albatros) built machine, it has very
> > > different cowl
> > > panels from the Fokker built aircraft.
> > > Gabe
> >
> > So I must wait a bit more, right? Roden has the OAW Fokker among its
> future
> > releases, IIRC.
> >
> > With best regards from Brazil
> >
> > Marcio Antonio Campos
> > Redator do GuiaSP
> > StarMedia do Brasil
> > marcio.campos@starmedia.net <mailto:marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
> > http://www.guiasp.com.br
> > http://www.guiarj.com.br
> > http://www.nacidade.com.br
> >
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 12:31:17 -0500
> From: "Jay M. Thompson" <vossie@mindspring.com>
> To: wwi@wwi-models.org
> Subject: RE: More on 4D
> Message-ID: <FJEGKPNCHHAOAPICIDCMAEJOCFAA.vossie@mindspring.com>
> 
> I don't know about "very" different. The initial OAW production version
> differed from the Fokker version only in the addition of an extra access
> panel on the upper left cowl. The early 4000's run was also pretty similar
> to Fokker early-mid production, and considering the predilection of crews
> for modifying the panels with extra louvers and holes, it can get pretty
> confusing determining which is which.
> 
> Aircraft of the 4100-4650 run are very different from Fokker and Alb built
> versions- these have lots of louvers that are all shorter and rounder than
> those used by Fokker and Albatros.
> 
> The final production versions (6300-6649 and 8300-9649) again reverted to
> the long, thin cooling louvers and added the secondary side cowling panel
> also used by Fokker and Albatros. Once again, at this point the differences
> are fairly subtle and you have to look very carefully to determine a given
> aircraft's manufacturer. If you happen to have a photo that shows the wing
> rib tapes and they stand out clearly as a separate color from the lozenge
> fabric, you can pretty much rule out Fokker as the manufacturer- Fokker's
> standard was tapes made of strips of lozenge fabric. OAW's standard was
> light blue, Albatros pink/salmon.
> 
> All that being said, Gabe is right in this case- the 7 Swabians machine is
> Fokker D.VII (OAW) 4369/18. That places it in the OAW series with the small,
> round cooling louvers, and to convert another version accurately to this
> layout is going to be fiddly.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Limon3
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:52 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: More on 4D
> 
> Hi Marcio,
> The 7 Swabs was an OAW (Albatros) built machine, it has very different cowl
> panels from the Fokker built aircraft.
> Gabe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marcio Antonio Campos <marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 5:41 AM
> Subject: RE: More on 4D
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:00:41 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Allan Wright <aew>
> To: wwi
> Subject: Raben's Ravens
> Message-ID: <200107061800.OAA28841@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> 
> 
> Help!
> 
> I need a GOOD lager sized image of Raban's ravens. I'm doing a 1/9th scale
> Fokker D-VIII which I want do decorate like Raban's Dr-I (red and white
> show up well for R/C models) and I'll need to be able to enlarge the 
> raven to 3.25" (8cm). If you have a good scan or image of this that
> may work please contact me off list.
> 
> I also need some decent3-view drawings of spandau guns for the same
> project (have to scratch build a pair from balsa) if you can help me with
> that.
> 
> Oh, the other reason I went for Raban's scheme is the other choices
> (lozenge or dark green) are really bad to see. Please don't hate me 
> for doing a slightly hypothetical bird....
> 
> Thanks,
> Al
> 
> ===============================================================================
> Allan Wright Jr.            | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside
> University of New Hampshire +--------------------------------------------------
> Research Computing Center   | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org
> Internet: aew@unh.edu       | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org
> ===============================================================================
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:09:03 -0300
> From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" <marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
> To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: RE: Raben's Ravens
> Message-ID: <000201c10646$bf3232e0$401ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com>
> 
> Allan,
> 
> I can scan the Fliegertruppe #2 images (fortunately I always bring OT books
> to read while going to work), if you want. That's the only help I can give.
> If I understood well, you need the raven picture, right?
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Marcio Antonio Campos
> Redator do GuiaSP
> StarMedia do Brasil
> marcio.campos@starmedia.net <mailto:marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
> http://www.guiasp.com.br
> http://www.guiarj.com.br
> http://www.nacidade.com.br
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Allan
> > Wright
> > Sent: Sexta-feira, 6 de Julho de 2001 15:03
> > To: Multiple recipients of list
> > Subject: Raben's Ravens
> >
> >
> >
> > Help!
> >
> > I need a GOOD lager sized image of Raban's ravens. I'm doing
> > a 1/9th scale
> > Fokker D-VIII which I want do decorate like Raban's Dr-I (red
> > and white
> > show up well for R/C models) and I'll need to be able to enlarge the
> > raven to 3.25" (8cm). If you have a good scan or image of this that
> > may work please contact me off list.
> >
> > I also need some decent3-view drawings of spandau guns for the same
> > project (have to scratch build a pair from balsa) if you can
> > help me with
> > that.
> >
> > Oh, the other reason I went for Raban's scheme is the other choices
> > (lozenge or dark green) are really bad to see. Please don't hate me
> > for doing a slightly hypothetical bird....
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Al
> >
> > ==============================================================
> > =================
> > Allan Wright Jr.            | Without love life's just a long
> > fight - Southside
> > University of New Hampshire
> > +--------------------------------------------------
> > Research Computing Center   | WWI Modeling mailing list:
> > wwi@wwi-models.org
> > Internet: aew@unh.edu       | WWI Modeling WWW Page:
> http://www.wwi-models.org
> ============================================================================
> ===
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:08:43 -0400
> From: "Steven Perry" <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: Putting one over on Bittner
> Message-ID: <00fa01c10646$b185d520$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com>
> 
> In a chat with Shane & Lorna,  Diego and myself, we decided to put up a Fake
> Nieuport Cookup page while Matt is away at the Nats. We are going to tell
> him he missed the cookup.
> 
> What we need is a few photos of Nieuports (preferably 1/48). If you have
> such photos and would like to help us put one over on Matt, send them to me
> Off List. If so inclined, include a paragraph of text. Write it in a way
> sure to get a rise out of Matt.
> 
> sp
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 20:07:39 +0200
> From: "Gaston Graf" <ggraf@vo.lu>
> To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: RE: Philippe's Models
> Message-ID: <NEEILCFEPCBGPDBHJFKHCECNDAAA.ggraf@vo.lu>
> 
> Yuk - got all of your pics but had no time yet to write you a reply. Will do
> that tonight.
> 
> Thanks - the pics are looking wonderful and the descrition of the flying is
> also very interesting. I am glad I can learn flying today on a safe and
> stable aircraft. That enhances my chances for a long life a lot more,
> compared to the Blériot kites ;o).
> 
> btw: as I was a boy I used to watch a very very interesting TV series about
> the life of Blériot on TV. I think it was a French production but I saw it
> on German TV at that time. Unfortunately it never was broadcasted again.
> Maybe Hans or Volker can remember the correct title of the series? I wish
> that I could see it again.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Lee M.
> > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 4:33 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list
> > Subject: Re: Philippe's Models
> >
> >
> > Gaston,
> > Did you get the photos of the 09 Bleriot?
> >
> > Lee
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:11:51 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Allan Wright <aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> To: wwi@wwi-models.org
> Subject: Re: Raben's Ravens
> Message-ID: <200107061811.OAA28988@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> 
> I have Fliegertruppe #2, so no need, I'll scan that and see if it is
> acceptable.
> 
> Thanks,
> Allan
> 
> > 
> > Allan,
> > 
> > I can scan the Fliegertruppe #2 images (fortunately I always bring OT books
> > to read while going to work), if you want. That's the only help I can give.
> > If I understood well, you need the raven picture, right?
> > 
> > Best regards
> > 
> > Marcio Antonio Campos
> > Redator do GuiaSP
> > StarMedia do Brasil
> > marcio.campos@starmedia.net <mailto:marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
> > http://www.guiasp.com.br
> > http://www.guiarj.com.br
> > http://www.nacidade.com.br
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Allan
> > > Wright
> > > Sent: Sexta-feira, 6 de Julho de 2001 15:03
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list
> > > Subject: Raben's Ravens
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Help!
> > >
> > > I need a GOOD lager sized image of Raban's ravens. I'm doing
> > > a 1/9th scale
> > > Fokker D-VIII which I want do decorate like Raban's Dr-I (red
> > > and white
> > > show up well for R/C models) and I'll need to be able to enlarge the
> > > raven to 3.25" (8cm). If you have a good scan or image of this that
> > > may work please contact me off list.
> > >
> > > I also need some decent3-view drawings of spandau guns for the same
> > > project (have to scratch build a pair from balsa) if you can
> > > help me with
> > > that.
> > >
> > > Oh, the other reason I went for Raban's scheme is the other choices
> > > (lozenge or dark green) are really bad to see. Please don't hate me
> > > for doing a slightly hypothetical bird....
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Al
> > >
> > > ==============================================================
> > > =================
> > > Allan Wright Jr.            | Without love life's just a long
> > > fight - Southside
> > > University of New Hampshire
> > > +--------------------------------------------------
> > > Research Computing Center   | WWI Modeling mailing list:
> > > wwi@wwi-models.org
> > > Internet: aew@unh.edu       | WWI Modeling WWW Page:
> > http://www.wwi-models.org
> > ============================================================================
> > ===
> > 
> 
> 
> ===============================================================================
> Allan Wright Jr.            | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside
> University of New Hampshire +--------------------------------------------------
> Research Computing Center   | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org
> Internet: aew@unh.edu       | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org
> ===============================================================================
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
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