WWI Digest 3504

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) french aviation
	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
  2) Re: what's happening on the trenches?
	by "Hans Trauner" <hans.trauner@nefkom.net>
  3) Aeroclub
	by "Nigel Rayner" <nigel@rosnar.demon.co.uk>
  4) Re: What Do You Think About the Blue Max LVG C.VI?
	by "Hans Trauner" <hans.trauner@nefkom.net>
  5) Re: Aeroclub
	by David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
  6) Re: french aviation
	by David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
  7) RE: french aviation
	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
  8) Sopwith Baby rudder controls
	by "Sanjeev Hirve" <shirve@evincible.com>
  9) Talkin' orstralian and a question
	by "David" <mannock@iprimus.com.au>
 10) Re: Tiger moth was:  Lawrence of Arabia Trivia Qn
	by Mark Miller <albatros1212@altavista.com>
 11) RE: Talkin' orstralian and a question
	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 12) AEG help needed
	by "Steven Perry" <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
 13) washes was: Re: Talkin' orstralian and a question
	by "Steven Perry" <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
 14) Re: More on 4D
	by "Limon3" <Limon3@msn.com>
 15) 7 Swabians (was RE: More on 4D)
	by "Marcio Antonio Campos" <marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
 16) Re: Tiger moth was:  Lawrence of Arabia Trivia Qn
	by "Hans Trauner" <hans.trauner@nefkom.net>
 17) Precision enterprise
	by "Sanjeev Hirve" <shirve@evincible.com>
 18) RE: Sopwith Baby rudder controls
	by "Graham Hunter" <mbpw0220@mts.net>
 19) Wings newsletter
	by "Harris, Mack" <MackH@Health.State.OK.US>
 20) 2003 Nats was RE: 2002 Nats
	by "Harris, Mack" <MackH@Health.State.OK.US>
 21) Re: AEG help needed/again
	by "Tom Plesha" <plesha3@home.com>
 22) Re: 7 Swabians (was RE: More on 4D)
	by "Limon3" <Limon3@msn.com>
 23) RE: More on 4D
	by "Jay M. Thompson" <vossie@mindspring.com>
 24) Raben's Ravens
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 25) RE: Raben's Ravens
	by "Marcio Antonio Campos" <marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
 26) Putting one over on Bittner
	by "Steven Perry" <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
 27) RE: Philippe's Models
	by "Gaston Graf" <ggraf@vo.lu>
 28) Re: Raben's Ravens
	by Allan Wright <aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:44:33 -0300
From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: "ww1 list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: french aviation
Message-ID: <003001c1062a$2c1ee5a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Ahhh! Poor Matt and Neil! They're out of town and they will iss this
message!
Check french planes at
http://www.histoire.org/asso14-18/exposition/aviation/aviation-gb.htm

D.


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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:43:45 +0200
From: "Hans Trauner" <hans.trauner@nefkom.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: what's happening on the trenches?
Message-ID: <002401c1062a$1127d220$f4a072d4@FRITZweb>

Sanjeev,
zumindest besser als mein franzoesisch!

Better as my french, at last!

Hans
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sanjeev Hirve" <shirve@evincible.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: what's happening on the trenches?


> Oui, messieurs und Herren (et cetera...)
>   en Belgique dit-on nonante-huit,
>   en France, dit-on quatre-vingt-dix-neuf!
>   und im deutsch, sagt man acht und neunzig!.
>   Incidentally, many Indian languages such as hindi have the same reversal
> of digits as german (ie, we say eight and ninty for 98)
> (I hope my school german is not totally rusty)
> regards
> SSH


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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:47:51 +0100
From: "Nigel Rayner" <nigel@rosnar.demon.co.uk>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Aeroclub
Message-ID: <000101c1062a$a1ac47e0$983bedc1@w1o0t3>

Hi gang,

Anyone been able to find an Aeroclub website? There used to be one at
www.aeroclubmodels.co.uk, but it's not at that url any more. None of my
search engines find a site for them. Anyone got any ideas?

Cheers,

Nigel


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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:52:37 +0200
From: "Hans Trauner" <hans.trauner@nefkom.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: What Do You Think About the Blue Max LVG C.VI?
Message-ID: <005d01c1062b$4c9e7ce0$f4a072d4@FRITZweb>

I received mine three days ago and exact the same feelings plus the struts
problem already discussed.
But I feel the BM is doing his same business as ever. A generic PE fret for
the guns may be a small step for him, but a giant leap for us. If he'd ask a
czech or polish manufacturer for that I am sure it would not rise the price
too much.

Hans

----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Hayes" <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 7:27 AM
Subject: What Do You Think About the Blue Max LVG C.VI?


> I received this kit today.  I'm glad to have an LVG
> finally, but I have mixed feelings about it.  The
> engine and guns need to be replaced IMO.  The engine
> lacks detail as do the spandau and parabellum.  The
> flying surfaces have thickish te's.  No BM ripple in
> my copy.  The wht. metal parts are very nice except
> for the guns.  They simply have little or no detail
> (like the Halb. CL.II).  I wish the engine covers were
> molded separately, even though removing them, as
> suggested, shouldn't be too difficult.  The LVG should
> look nice built, that is after replacing the guns with
> the CSM versions and the addition of a Digmayer prop
> and gunring. Perhaps CSM or Americals loz.  And in
> case anyone gets me wrong, I enjoy BM kits in general
> (the DH2 and SE5a are two of favorites by any
> manufacturer.  For $34 I couldn't complain too much
> anyway.
>
> Todd
>
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 15:50:24 +0100
From: David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Aeroclub
Message-ID: <3B45D030.9F6BA04B@dial.pipex.com>

Nigel Rayner wrote:

> Hi gang,
>
> Anyone been able to find an Aeroclub website? There used to be one at
> www.aeroclubmodels.co.uk, but it's not at that url any more. None of my
> search engines find a site for them. Anyone got any ideas?
>
> Cheers,
>

You read Hyperscale as well Nigel ? Either that, or my week is full of
strange co-incidences !! The old site seems to be  a hosting co now. They
have an email address at:

aeromail @compuserve.com

You could try them. Mind and let us know how you get on !!

Dave



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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 15:55:33 +0100
From: David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: french aviation
Message-ID: <3B45D165.BC8851B1@dial.pipex.com>

dfernet0 wrote:

> Ahhh! Poor Matt and Neil! They're out of town and they will iss this
> message!
> Check french planes at
> http://www.histoire.org/asso14-18/exposition/aviation/aviation-gb.htm
>
> D.

Now, Matt would know, but is this a 'P' or an 'LA' ? (You were asking
weren't you Diego ?)

http://www.histoire.org/asso14-18/exposition/aviation/parasol.jpg

Dave



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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:24:21 -0300
From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: french aviation
Message-ID: <004501c1062f$bb7ac7a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Pour moi, c'est un "P" :-) Mais je peut être confondu!
D.

----- Original Message -----
From: David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: french aviation


> dfernet0 wrote:
>
> > Ahhh! Poor Matt and Neil! They're out of town and they will iss this
> > message!
> > Check french planes at
> > http://www.histoire.org/asso14-18/exposition/aviation/aviation-gb.htm
> >
> > D.
>
> Now, Matt would know, but is this a 'P' or an 'LA' ? (You were asking
> weren't you Diego ?)
>
> http://www.histoire.org/asso14-18/exposition/aviation/parasol.jpg
>
> Dave
>
>


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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:26:16 -0400
From: "Sanjeev Hirve" <shirve@evincible.com>
To: "wwi-list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Sopwith Baby rudder controls
Message-ID: <009701c10630$013434c0$0800010a@cyberelan.com>

Knut,
   Since you are restoring a real Sopwith Baby, maybe you can answer this
question.
The rear float has a rudder.  It appears that the rudder is controlled by a
separate pair of control cables from the "air" rudder.  I assume that both
rudders are controlled by the same rudder-pedals.  My question is: do both
the rudders deflect by the same amount?  In other words, when the tail
rudder is deflected 10 degrees to port, is the float rudder deflected to
same angle?
This is not important for the model I am building, but I was simply curious
about the mechanics.
regards
SSH


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Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 01:23:18 +1000
From: "David" <mannock@iprimus.com.au>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Talkin' orstralian and a question
Message-ID: <002501c1062f$961d0b80$1b7132d2@mannock>

Hi All;

People can't understand Aussie accents? They must be attempting to
communicate with our brethren from the "Deep North". Us folks down in
Melbourne all speak perfect English : ))  Still I'm used to communicating
with a bunch of Cornish relations (aaar).

A quick OT question - I'm trying to do a chalk wash to bring out detail on
my current build - using a mixture of ground chalk pastel, water, and
dishwashing liquid - but it doesn't seem to want to stay in the panel lines
when I use a barely damp tissue to wipe it off. Any suggestions as what I'm
doing wrong?

All the best

Neil E. (Mel-bourne)


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Date: 6 Jul 2001 08:25:34 -0700
From: Mark Miller <albatros1212@altavista.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Tiger moth was:  Lawrence of Arabia Trivia Qn
Message-ID: <20010706152534.11554.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net>

On Fri, 06 July 2001, "Hans Trauner" wrote:

"No, Mark. A Moth has two wings, so it is only Ot."

Actualy you might consider it entirly OT if your only source of WW1 AC info is the Movies. In fact you might think it the ONLY WW1 ac

I haven't looked at that Matchbox kit in quite while
But it's one of those kits that I always put off because I would want to go nuts detailing it.
so back in the closet it goes to wait for a time when I'm feeling more ambitious.

Mark


Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping!
http://www.shopping.altavista.com

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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:38:38 -0300
From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: Talkin' orstralian and a question
Message-ID: <005501c10631$ba290860$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

> A quick OT question - I'm trying to do a chalk wash to bring out detail on
> my current build - using a mixture of ground chalk pastel, water, and
> dishwashing liquid - but it doesn't seem to want to stay in the panel
lines
> when I use a barely damp tissue to wipe it off. Any suggestions as what
I'm
> doing wrong?

Probably you need to let the wash to stay a little bit longer over the model
and keep the tissue a little bit drier. I guess that the absorption
qualities of the tissue "sucks" the wash inside the panels lines by
capillarity.
Just an idea
D.


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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:37:24 -0400
From: "Steven Perry" <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: AEG help needed
Message-ID: <00bd01c10631$8e22e420$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com>

Anyone have a sketch or drawing that shows the steel tube framework of the
AEG G.IV fuselage?

TIA
sp


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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:49:00 -0400
From: "Steven Perry" <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: washes was: Re: Talkin' orstralian and a question
Message-ID: <00c701c10633$2c9a6820$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com>

> A quick OT question - I'm trying to do a chalk wash to bring out detail on
> my current build - using a mixture of ground chalk pastel, water, and
> dishwashing liquid - but it doesn't seem to want to stay in the panel
lines
> when I use a barely damp tissue to wipe it off. Any suggestions as what
I'm
> doing wrong?

Neil
You didn't say what finish was on the model when you applied the washes.
(gloss or flat).

I found that with gloss finishes, washes tend to dissappear from the panel
lines as well as the surface when wiped. The gloss is great if you want to
wipe it off the surface, but it also makes it hard to keep it in the panel
lines. I found that scribing the panel line with a sharp blade will break
the gloss coat and allow the wash to stay in the lines. I use a scribing
tool to scribe the gloss in the hinge lines as this breaks up a wider line.

Wiping at a right angle to the line also tends to leave more wash in the
line than wiping in the direction of the line.

hth
sp


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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 08:56:30 -0700
From: "Limon3" <Limon3@msn.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: More on 4D
Message-ID: <00dd01c10634$39df8320$a4f7303f@i7e2z6>

Hi Marcio,
The 7 Swabs was an OAW (Albatros) built machine, it has very different cowl
panels from the Fokker built aircraft.
Gabe
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcio Antonio Campos <marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 5:41 AM
Subject: RE: More on 4D


> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf
> > Of John &
> > Allison Cyganowski
> > Subject: More on 4D
> >
> > Hi-
> >
> > The PD decal sheet calls out von Beaulieu-Marconnay's ship as an early
> > Fokker built aircraft. The picture I have of vB-M shows him
> > standing in
> > front of a D.VII that appears to have the early Fokker cowls
> > except it looks
> > like a faring was added to one of those triangular shaped
> > access ports.
>
> Good news... I want to build Beaulieu-Marconnay's plane in the future - a
> good reason to buy the new Roden D.VII - and I was asking myself whether
his
> plane was an early or late machine.
>
> I want also to build the famous "7 Swabians", was this one an early or
late
> D.VII?
>
> Best regards from Brazil
>
> Marcio Antonio Campos
> Redator do GuiaSP
> StarMedia do Brasil
> marcio.campos@starmedia.net <mailto:marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
> http://www.guiasp.com.br
> http://www.guiarj.com.br
> http://www.nacidade.com.br
>
>


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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:58:46 -0300
From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" <marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: 7 Swabians (was RE: More on 4D)
Message-ID: <000801c10634$8b698920$401ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf
> Of Limon3
> Subject: Re: More on 4D
>
> Hi Marcio,
> The 7 Swabs was an OAW (Albatros) built machine, it has very
> different cowl
> panels from the Fokker built aircraft.
> Gabe

So I must wait a bit more, right? Roden has the OAW Fokker among its future
releases, IIRC.

With best regards from Brazil

Marcio Antonio Campos
Redator do GuiaSP
StarMedia do Brasil
marcio.campos@starmedia.net <mailto:marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
http://www.guiasp.com.br
http://www.guiarj.com.br
http://www.nacidade.com.br


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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:58:55 +0200
From: "Hans Trauner" <hans.trauner@nefkom.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Tiger moth was:  Lawrence of Arabia Trivia Qn
Message-ID: <000d01c10634$8fe80c60$78ab72d4@FRITZweb>

Mark, consider the Tiger as a serious anti AMS pill! It's easy to built and
quite a good kit. We enjoyed it very much, simply judging a fantasy civil
registration cut from the float decal version and painting it in a
red/silver scheme. After that my brother did a full weathering and shadowing
job and included fully painted pilot and trainee. That's modelling, boys! No
nitpicking research, no 'how-can-I-manage-it' and other excuses not to start
a model. ( Happens one time in five years to me...)
Hans


> But it's one of those kits that I always put off because I would want to
go nuts detailing it.
> so back in the closet it goes to wait for a time when I'm feeling more
ambitious.
>
> Mark



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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:45:13 -0400
From: "Sanjeev Hirve" <shirve@evincible.com>
To: "wwi-list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Precision enterprise
Message-ID: <009d01c1063b$07a36370$0800010a@cyberelan.com>

Hi,
   I have been trying without success to contact Precision Enterprise (at
802-885-3094) for the past week or so, about an overdue order.
Does anybody know whats happening.
regards
SSH


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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:49:51 -0500
From: "Graham Hunter" <mbpw0220@mts.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: Sopwith Baby rudder controls
Message-ID: <000501c1063b$ada20c40$fa0101c0@grahamh>


<The rear float has a rudder.  It appears that the rudder is <controlled by
a separate pair of control cables from the "air" <rudder.  I assume that
both rudders are controlled by the same <rudder-pedals.  My question is: do
both the rudders deflect by the <same amount?  In other words, when the tail
rudder is deflected 10 <degrees to port, is the float rudder deflected to
same angle?

I believe that the float rudder would not deflect as much as the rudder.
Other Sopwiths had this feature with the tail skids (Triplane, Pup,
Strutter) and I'm pretty sure the tail skids did not have the same travel as
the rudder. And yes they are controlled by the rudder bar.

my 2 cents, Graham


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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:00:50 -0500 
From: "Harris, Mack" <MackH@Health.State.OK.US>
To: "'World War I'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Wings newsletter
Message-ID: <E163A98BC3D0D2119CAA0000832180C2086CB89A@exchange6.health.state.ok.us>

Has anyone else seen the newsletter "Wings"?
To subscribe go to wings@fokker-team-schorndorf.de
<mailto:wings@fokker-team-schorndorf.de> 
It is put out by Fokker-Team-Schorndorf.  The current issue (ISSUE #3, 8th
of July 2001) has an article on how to make your own 1 to 1 scale propeller.
It's very interesting.
Mack Harris

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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:02:05 -0500 
From: "Harris, Mack" <MackH@Health.State.OK.US>
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: 2003 Nats was RE: 2002 Nats
Message-ID: <E163A98BC3D0D2119CAA0000832180C2086CB89B@exchange6.health.state.ok.us>

And hopefully the 2003 will be here in Oklahoma City, yahoo!
Mack Harris


		-----Original Message-----
		From:	Andreikor@aol.com [mailto:Andreikor@aol.com]
		Sent:	Friday, July 06, 2001 2:10 AM
		To:	Multiple recipients of list
		Subject:	2002 Nats

		Warren wrote:
		<<             Same here!  Same old thing go to work, etc.,
BUT I'm having a
		blast learning from all of ya'll. >>

		Stick around Warren...
		We'll get 'em next year in Virginia Beach ;)
		Cheers,
		Andrei



		Andrei Koribanics II
		8 Falcon Place
		Wayne, NJ 07470
		USA
		Voice/Fax: 973-696-9378
		email: andreikor@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:08:14 -0400
From: "Tom Plesha" <plesha3@home.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: AEG help needed/again
Message-ID: <000501c1063e$3e617d40$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com>

Hi Steven-
I'll check later this afternoon, I have a decent set of references, since
thats probably my next build.
Later
Tom
S.E.MI.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Perry" <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:39 AM
Subject: AEG help needed


> Anyone have a sketch or drawing that shows the steel tube framework of the
> AEG G.IV fuselage?
>
> TIA
> sp
>
>


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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:15:49 -0700
From: "Limon3" <Limon3@msn.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: 7 Swabians (was RE: More on 4D)
Message-ID: <000701c10636$ecd88ce0$a4f7303f@i7e2z6>

Yes, it seems that way, but on the upside Roden seems to be bringing out
models at a fast pace.  I wish that DML would reissue the DVII with OAW
panels as well in 1/48 (old guy eyes!), since there are many fascinating
schemes for that version of the plane.
Regards from the Hot Golden State,

Gabe

n.b. OAW Albi, Grasshof's DIII Albi


----- Original Message -----
From: Marcio Antonio Campos <marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:00 AM
Subject: 7 Swabians (was RE: More on 4D)


> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf
> > Of Limon3
> > Subject: Re: More on 4D
> >
> > Hi Marcio,
> > The 7 Swabs was an OAW (Albatros) built machine, it has very
> > different cowl
> > panels from the Fokker built aircraft.
> > Gabe
>
> So I must wait a bit more, right? Roden has the OAW Fokker among its
future
> releases, IIRC.
>
> With best regards from Brazil
>
> Marcio Antonio Campos
> Redator do GuiaSP
> StarMedia do Brasil
> marcio.campos@starmedia.net <mailto:marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
> http://www.guiasp.com.br
> http://www.guiarj.com.br
> http://www.nacidade.com.br
>
>


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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 12:31:17 -0500
From: "Jay M. Thompson" <vossie@mindspring.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: RE: More on 4D
Message-ID: <FJEGKPNCHHAOAPICIDCMAEJOCFAA.vossie@mindspring.com>

I don't know about "very" different. The initial OAW production version
differed from the Fokker version only in the addition of an extra access
panel on the upper left cowl. The early 4000's run was also pretty similar
to Fokker early-mid production, and considering the predilection of crews
for modifying the panels with extra louvers and holes, it can get pretty
confusing determining which is which.

Aircraft of the 4100-4650 run are very different from Fokker and Alb built
versions- these have lots of louvers that are all shorter and rounder than
those used by Fokker and Albatros.

The final production versions (6300-6649 and 8300-9649) again reverted to
the long, thin cooling louvers and added the secondary side cowling panel
also used by Fokker and Albatros. Once again, at this point the differences
are fairly subtle and you have to look very carefully to determine a given
aircraft's manufacturer. If you happen to have a photo that shows the wing
rib tapes and they stand out clearly as a separate color from the lozenge
fabric, you can pretty much rule out Fokker as the manufacturer- Fokker's
standard was tapes made of strips of lozenge fabric. OAW's standard was
light blue, Albatros pink/salmon.

All that being said, Gabe is right in this case- the 7 Swabians machine is
Fokker D.VII (OAW) 4369/18. That places it in the OAW series with the small,
round cooling louvers, and to convert another version accurately to this
layout is going to be fiddly.

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Limon3
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:52 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: More on 4D

Hi Marcio,
The 7 Swabs was an OAW (Albatros) built machine, it has very different cowl
panels from the Fokker built aircraft.
Gabe
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcio Antonio Campos <marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 5:41 AM
Subject: RE: More on 4D



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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:00:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi
Subject: Raben's Ravens
Message-ID: <200107061800.OAA28841@pease1.sr.unh.edu>


Help!

I need a GOOD lager sized image of Raban's ravens. I'm doing a 1/9th scale
Fokker D-VIII which I want do decorate like Raban's Dr-I (red and white
show up well for R/C models) and I'll need to be able to enlarge the 
raven to 3.25" (8cm). If you have a good scan or image of this that
may work please contact me off list.

I also need some decent3-view drawings of spandau guns for the same
project (have to scratch build a pair from balsa) if you can help me with
that.

Oh, the other reason I went for Raban's scheme is the other choices
(lozenge or dark green) are really bad to see. Please don't hate me 
for doing a slightly hypothetical bird....

Thanks,
Al

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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:09:03 -0300
From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" <marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: Raben's Ravens
Message-ID: <000201c10646$bf3232e0$401ba8c0@office.br.starmedia.com>

Allan,

I can scan the Fliegertruppe #2 images (fortunately I always bring OT books
to read while going to work), if you want. That's the only help I can give.
If I understood well, you need the raven picture, right?

Best regards

Marcio Antonio Campos
Redator do GuiaSP
StarMedia do Brasil
marcio.campos@starmedia.net <mailto:marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
http://www.guiasp.com.br
http://www.guiarj.com.br
http://www.nacidade.com.br


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Allan
> Wright
> Sent: Sexta-feira, 6 de Julho de 2001 15:03
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Raben's Ravens
>
>
>
> Help!
>
> I need a GOOD lager sized image of Raban's ravens. I'm doing
> a 1/9th scale
> Fokker D-VIII which I want do decorate like Raban's Dr-I (red
> and white
> show up well for R/C models) and I'll need to be able to enlarge the
> raven to 3.25" (8cm). If you have a good scan or image of this that
> may work please contact me off list.
>
> I also need some decent3-view drawings of spandau guns for the same
> project (have to scratch build a pair from balsa) if you can
> help me with
> that.
>
> Oh, the other reason I went for Raban's scheme is the other choices
> (lozenge or dark green) are really bad to see. Please don't hate me
> for doing a slightly hypothetical bird....
>
> Thanks,
> Al
>
> ==============================================================
> =================
> Allan Wright Jr.            | Without love life's just a long
> fight - Southside
> University of New Hampshire
> +--------------------------------------------------
> Research Computing Center   | WWI Modeling mailing list:
> wwi@wwi-models.org
> Internet: aew@unh.edu       | WWI Modeling WWW Page:
http://www.wwi-models.org
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===


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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:08:43 -0400
From: "Steven Perry" <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Putting one over on Bittner
Message-ID: <00fa01c10646$b185d520$59b65c18@tampabay.rr.com>

In a chat with Shane & Lorna,  Diego and myself, we decided to put up a Fake
Nieuport Cookup page while Matt is away at the Nats. We are going to tell
him he missed the cookup.

What we need is a few photos of Nieuports (preferably 1/48). If you have
such photos and would like to help us put one over on Matt, send them to me
Off List. If so inclined, include a paragraph of text. Write it in a way
sure to get a rise out of Matt.

sp


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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 20:07:39 +0200
From: "Gaston Graf" <ggraf@vo.lu>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: Philippe's Models
Message-ID: <NEEILCFEPCBGPDBHJFKHCECNDAAA.ggraf@vo.lu>

Yuk - got all of your pics but had no time yet to write you a reply. Will do
that tonight.

Thanks - the pics are looking wonderful and the descrition of the flying is
also very interesting. I am glad I can learn flying today on a safe and
stable aircraft. That enhances my chances for a long life a lot more,
compared to the Blériot kites ;o).

btw: as I was a boy I used to watch a very very interesting TV series about
the life of Blériot on TV. I think it was a French production but I saw it
on German TV at that time. Unfortunately it never was broadcasted again.
Maybe Hans or Volker can remember the correct title of the series? I wish
that I could see it again.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Lee M.
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 4:33 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: Philippe's Models
>
>
> Gaston,
> Did you get the photos of the 09 Bleriot?
>
> Lee
>
>
>


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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:11:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Allan Wright <aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Raben's Ravens
Message-ID: <200107061811.OAA28988@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

I have Fliegertruppe #2, so no need, I'll scan that and see if it is
acceptable.

Thanks,
Allan

> 
> Allan,
> 
> I can scan the Fliegertruppe #2 images (fortunately I always bring OT books
> to read while going to work), if you want. That's the only help I can give.
> If I understood well, you need the raven picture, right?
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Marcio Antonio Campos
> Redator do GuiaSP
> StarMedia do Brasil
> marcio.campos@starmedia.net <mailto:marcio.campos@starmedia.net>
> http://www.guiasp.com.br
> http://www.guiarj.com.br
> http://www.nacidade.com.br
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Allan
> > Wright
> > Sent: Sexta-feira, 6 de Julho de 2001 15:03
> > To: Multiple recipients of list
> > Subject: Raben's Ravens
> >
> >
> >
> > Help!
> >
> > I need a GOOD lager sized image of Raban's ravens. I'm doing
> > a 1/9th scale
> > Fokker D-VIII which I want do decorate like Raban's Dr-I (red
> > and white
> > show up well for R/C models) and I'll need to be able to enlarge the
> > raven to 3.25" (8cm). If you have a good scan or image of this that
> > may work please contact me off list.
> >
> > I also need some decent3-view drawings of spandau guns for the same
> > project (have to scratch build a pair from balsa) if you can
> > help me with
> > that.
> >
> > Oh, the other reason I went for Raban's scheme is the other choices
> > (lozenge or dark green) are really bad to see. Please don't hate me
> > for doing a slightly hypothetical bird....
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Al
> >
> > ==============================================================
> > =================
> > Allan Wright Jr.            | Without love life's just a long
> > fight - Southside
> > University of New Hampshire
> > +--------------------------------------------------
> > Research Computing Center   | WWI Modeling mailing list:
> > wwi@wwi-models.org
> > Internet: aew@unh.edu       | WWI Modeling WWW Page:
> http://www.wwi-models.org
> ============================================================================
> ===
> 


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University of New Hampshire +--------------------------------------------------
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Internet: aew@unh.edu       | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org
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